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Zodiac61:
I already support a few. One more will not hurt me.

Nice one  that means you are already a believer in the teachings of christ all you need is to take a step further and accept his gospel.

Joagbaje:
Iro nla ni!

I am not suprised at your comment after all members of your cult beleive that Peter did not have a full grasp of the Gospel of christ even though Jesus chose him as a leader amongst his disciples.

Joagbaje:
James 1:21
Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is[b] able to save your souls.[/b]

I am shocked you are quoting from the same James you earlier descibed as a "baby" christian. You would have done better to quote from your "more authuritative" rapshody of realities or better still any of pastor chris teachings.

sonya4all:
@op,thanks,i saw the site,but i didnt see their mission statement or what they believe,can u help tell me all,do they speak in tongues,etc

Well i can't quote a specific mission statement but the main objective is to preach the gospel of christ rightlly divided. This means doing away with pre -conceived notions and feeding from the scriptures in it's proper context. The church also attmepts to remove man made regultions from our religious practises and attempts to foister true fellowship amongst brethen there. On the issue of speaking in tongues, whilst the church agrees it is biblical we don't practise it or use it during worship. It is our understanding that speaking in tongues[other languages] was a gift given to the early apostles to aid them in spreading the gospel to other regions were their language was not spoken. We also believe the gift of speaking in tongues is just one of the gifts of the spirit which is not given to all. It is clear from scripures that mandatory speaking in tongues as is practised in most pentecostal churches is wrong and is also self deceit and a mockery of the holy spirit. However if you genuinely have the gift of tongues all well and good but is is not necessary or compulsary for christian worship.

Zodiac61:
Even though I find it difficult to believe in your god, if you ever set up that charitable organisation, I may support it.

Thanx for the gesture, but really there are so many opportunities to help the poor and needy out there, you don't have to wait for someone to set up an organization before you assist. There somany orphanges and motherless babies homes that need assistance. There are also seeral sick people who ar being thrown out of hospital regularly becos they can't pay hospital bills i think these would be good places to start.

CHARLOE:
After careful study i've come to discover the true meaning of been born again. Stop to think: have u ever wondered why Jesus did not go around preaching 'u must be born again?'. He only used the word/term in answer to nicodemus' question. He went about preaching d good news.
There's a difference between repentance and been re-born or born again. When u accept Jesus into your life and repent of your sins, u become a begotten child of God, ie u're likea child that is conceived/begotten in d womb. That child must stay in d womb for 9 months developing all it's body parts before it's finally born. That's how a christian must grow spiritually, developing spiritual gifts while on earth, dies and be reborn/born again in d resurrection before he is truely and finally born again! Then we shall be like Him, we shall have heavenly bodies and all d qualities of a born child of God that d whole 'creation of God groan, like a woman in labour awaiting' (rom , we shall possess. Even Jesus in answer to nic's question went further to say 'he that is born of the flesh is flesh and he that is born of the spirit is spirit'- While on this earth, in this life, we 'are in the flesh (though not of it), born of d flesh, but after the resurrection we shall have spiritual bodies (born of the spirit).
Do u know that even Jesus himself was a begotten child of God while on earth? and became born again when He died and was resurrected? Even so we must pass thru this process to be like Him, and that's what water baptism symbolises.
Have u ever wondered while after been 'born again' we still fall sick, sin, lack etc It is simply becos we have not come to d fullness of God's image, born sons of God (pls read rom 8 thoroughly). When d sons of God are manifested, when we're finally re-born/born again (after d resurrection), we shall be like Him- super-human! There will be no more sickness, lack, even death shall be no more! This is where some churches miss it when they preach that once u're born again u can not fall sick, lack, die, etc that u become superhuman. We all know that while in this flesh, we can fall sick (paul, timothy etc where ill) and pass thru what any other human go thru.
Pls pardon me for not citing all relevant scriptures, just saw d topic and decided to contribute, cos i've been planning on starting a thread like this myself but have not had d time (though i'm sure u're familiar with most of d scriptures). I'll be back with relevant passages in d bible.

Very nice submissions which i tend to agree with and i actually once postulated this theory on a previous thread on this forum but the position was punctured when someone referred me to a scripture in which peter described believers as "born again" this implied it was supposed to be here and now and not in the after life. The verse is quoted below for your consideration:

1 Peter 1:22-23:

22Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

From the above statements of peter it implies born again means someone that the soul has been purified and now has the spirit of God exhibited through unfeigned love to one and other and being incorruptible[holy]

Nice thread, brilliant submissions!

jagunlabi:
According to the highly detailed description of that socalled abode of jehovah, it looked very suspiciously like a huge mothership orbiting the planet earth at that time.

Enoch was led on a tour inside the mothership and he described what he saw thus, it was a 10 storey interior with each floor dedicated to different scientific disciplines (can you believe that). One floor was dedicated to cosmology and astronomy, while another floor was dedicated to horticulture. Another floor was some kind of prison for rebel crews or angels. On the topmost floor, Enoch finally came face to face with "the lord" and his description of how this "lord's" face looked like was most interesting, and the description was interestingly cut short because the book excerpts ended at this point.

Jagun, i see we are back to the extra terrestrial God theory   how now?

jessefly:
THANKS A LOT WHICH CHURCH WILL U NOT SEE BAD EGGS DAT IS NOT THE ISSUE OR PERHAPS U DONT KNOW WAT IS GOIN ON IN THE PAPACY NOW, MY ISSUE IS THIS I HAVE NOT GIVEN ADEBOYE ANY GODLIKE STATUS, I DO NOT HAVE TO USE HIS BOOKS AS A BIBLE, I DO NOT BEHOLD INDECENT DRESSING WHEN I GO TO CHURCH, I AM NOT TAXED WAT I CANT PAY TO PLEASE MY CHURCH OR WATEVA, I AM NOT WATCHING PRE-RECORDED TEACHINGS OF ADEBOYE EVERY SUNDAY, [b]AND ALSO MY GO IS AS HUMBLE AS IT COMES[/b]SO ITS NOT ABOUT FINDING WRONG DEEDS IN CHURCH ITS ABOUT THE SHEPHERD CALLING HIS SHEEP TO ORDER CARING FOR THEM WITHOUT ACTUALLY MAKING THEM PAY FOR IT

Humble in deed, a Private jet flying humble man is actually an oxymoron. That aside your G.O has also been known to preach several false teachings the rubbish written in the march 17 edition of open heavens comes to mind titled "100 fold increase" he as also preached that those who don't tithe are going to hell. RCCG pastors are evaluted by how much money they remit to the head quaters, why is everything about RCCG money money money yet thay claim their G.O is humble becos his dressing is simple.

InesQor:
http://brotherpeacemaker./2008/05/16/rules-for-ifa-divination/

KunleOshob, what do you have to say about the bold red words?

Well since i don't subscribe to IFA and i know very little about the belief system i don't have much to say except maybe our pastors are taking a cue from IFA priests and charging heavily for their services

@sango
What is the purpose of all this algebra in IFA and how does it aid divination. That aside what evidence do you have to confirm it's efficacy?

I see you guys want to drag me into "church" business

Even though i have a desire to share christian truths with others i am not inclined to start any fellowship, movement or church. If ever i go into ministry, my idea of of ministry would be to set up a charitable organization to help those in need focusing on less priviledge children i believe in so doing you would impact possitively on their lives whilst showing them the love of christ.

noetic16:
So true. I am sure KunleOshob will do justice to this aspect of the discourse.

+Jesoul
I see you guys have been taking pot shots at me in my absence  , sorry to disappoint you i have no comments on that "aspect of the discourse".

Enigma:
In any assembly, be it of two persons or 1 million, there will not be one single person who is perfect. No not your pope, not your arch-bishop, not your "G.O.", not your "senior pastor" etc. However, the mega-church structure is particularly inadvisable. It essentially becomes an organisation; an organisation needs to be maintained; maintenance needs money; money often breeds corruption. The result is megalomaniacs, some of whom might have started with genuine intentions, but who turn to false doctrine, deception and even outright fraud to maintain both their organisation and their own megalomania.

Also, the mega-church structure tends to breed shallow Christians poor on doctrine but more focused on the organisation; their pride is in having a megalomaniac, the largest auditorium, the largest gatherings etc etc etc.

Very interesting analysis. It actually explains a lot of problems we have in the church today.

pstbolanta:
Kunle i am always blessed each time i read your post.

kenny888:
Kunle may God bless you,you are the reason why i am always coming to this forum because there is always wisdom in your posts.

Thanx guys, i am humbled! It nice to know people appreciate the efforts i am making on this forum.

OLAADEGBU:
It's only you that can tell whether you heard the voice of the true Shepherd or that of a wolf. What I can deduct from your confessions here on NL along with some of the members of your "church" is that you are against tithes and offerings, don't believe in the doctrine of the Trinity, you (especially ttalk) believe that God created some people to be punished in hell while He has chosen some for heaven, you are not sure what it means to be born again, don't believe that the Bible is complete and inerrant, your misconceptions about the true Church etc. What is called the doctrines of the devil have found a common ground in some folks that are not comfortable with the doctrines of Christ. This is how cults such as the JW's and the mormons etc started. The JW's started because of their paranoa about hell fire and yours is starting because of your hatred for the paying of tithes and offerings in Churches.

As usual you have displayed a very high level of ignorance and mis- represented me, what i stand for, ttalks and my church.

Undeniably Donald Duke.

What is NCCF

Aside from my comments in the previous thread, i believe large churches deny the congregation the opportuiny of close fellowship which i believe was the pupose of the initial church. There is evidence in the bible that people discussed issues at church gatherings but today the focus is on one man[pastor] who does all the talking and there is no room for contributions or questions you just have to accept everything preached wether it is right or wrong and wether you understand it or not. I believe if there was opportunity for questions in churches a lot of fallacies that pastors preach like tithes, first fruits e.t.c would be question and the faults in them would be expose before the whole church, this would discourage preachers from adding their own doctrines to scriptures like Pastor Adeboye tried to do in his "100 fold returns" scam which he wrote in his "open heavens" devotional of march 17 2010.

nuclearboy:
@Kunle:

I hope you don't mind! Let me re-phrase your words so it can be clearer to them.

I definitely don't mind it helps put the passage into clearer easy to understand perspective.

JeSoul:
Kunle, I'am also interested in your thots on InesQor's take on the size of a church. Will open a thread on InesQor's green light . . .

The large size of churches we have today actually don't have any scriptural basis, however i would not condem it as wrong but true fellowship is lacking in churches of such large size. In the early churches they used to share meals, there was always feasting which formed an essential part of the fellowship but today it is completely missing except for the occassional holy communion were tiny rations of bread and "wine"[as opposed to full meals] are given out in observation of Jesus commandment. The mordern church as tried to re-enact the close knit fellowship which the early church had through house fellowships and house cells but the sharing of meals is mostly missing in these fellowships and some of them still collect "offerings" which they re-mit to the church for what ever purpose. But large congregations [not churches] are not entirely unscriptural as Jesus used to have several open air sermons in which thousands were recorded to attend. A very obvious example was when Jesus fed 5,000 men after one of his sermons. In summary i won't condenm large church congregations as long as they provide a platform for true fellowship, but then again large congregations are unnecessary as i don't see any benefit in it for the congregation themselves apart from the intituitional church that stands to make more money from a larger congregation.

Jonathan is indeed a breath of fresh air compared to Yar'a dull. I just feel it in my spirit he is going to do well. He already started off on the right footing i just pray he remains focused. Also eagerly waiting for Ribadu to resume duties   and send IBB's misguided presidential ambitions into the dustbin of history.

kenny888:
The tithe goes to heaven of course LOL.

That is why many pastors are now buying private jets, so they can fly to heaven and personally deliver the tithes there 

This scripture is very relevant to this thread, i hope those who love distorting the word of God for their own selfish gain are reading:

Matthew 15:3-9:

3 Jesus replied, “And why do you, by your traditions[tithes], violate the direct commandments of God? 4 For instance, God says, ‘Honor your father and mother, and ‘Anyone who speaks disrespectfully of father or mother must be put to death.’ 5 But you say it is all right for people to say to their parents, ‘Sorry, I can’t help you. For I have vowed to give to God what I would have given to you.’ 6 In this way, you say they don’t need to honor their parents. And so you cancel the word of God for the sake of your own tradition. 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you, for he wrote,
8 ‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 Their worship is a farce,
for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.’

@InesQor
Ineteresting, i believe we are in the age of awakening loads of people are beginning to ask questions and in the process getting to understand the true christian faith  as taught by Jesus and the apsotles better. It's so sad that those that have been entrusted to lead the christian churches over the years have consistently and routinely polluted the church with all sorts of man made doctrines and the true teachings of christ based on love for others has taken the back sit. I pray that God would continually reveal his will to us and we would be able to walk in his light.

PS: by the way i used to be a baptist as well[ born and bred]

ajokeakin:
Pls timmy d solution is not for people to contribute money for me,i just want to get people's view as to what the pastor said.

I hope you have been able to learn why tithing is the biggest scam in the history of the world. I would also like to suggest that you change your church as any pastor that can tell you what he said is surely not of God.

away4real:
@ kunle, please is there a link to the Crown Bible Church?

Sorry the church does not have a website i can link you to.

@sony4all
The name of the church is crown bible church.

OLAADEGBU:
Are you really sure you heeded the voice of the shepherd?

I am positively certain i heard the voice of the one and only true sheperd, here is what the true sheperd had to say about what is going on in most ofour churches today:

Matthew 15:3-9:

3 Jesus replied, “And why do you, by your traditions, violate the direct commandments of God? 4 For instance, God says, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and ‘Anyone who speaks disrespectfully of father or mother must be put to death.’ 5 But you say it is all right for people to say to their parents, ‘Sorry, I can’t help you. For I have vowed to give to God what I would have given to you.’ 6 In this way, you say they don’t need to honor their parents. And so you cancel the word of God for the sake of your own tradition. 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you, for he wrote,
8 ‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 Their worship is a farce,
for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.”

A very good example of man made teachings prevalent in our churches today is that of compulsary monetary tithing based on income which was twisted from the very different example of of agricultural produce tithing in the bibleand presented to the church as the word of God were as it is far from the word and will of God. It is the same mentality that obtains when pastors preach that people should tithe at the detriment of helping their loved ones which Jesus used as a example in verse 5. Yet many of our churche would go against the teachings of Jesus and tell you it is more important to give money to the church than to use it to help those in need.

@InesQor
Are you considering to stop attending church as well?

OLAADEGBU:
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears." -- 2 Timothy 4:3

The above scripture aptly describes what is going on in most churches today especially in the pentecostal/ WOF movements. It is one of the issues that informed my decision to stop attending Instituitionalized churches.

Image123:
A pitiable state. And you're winking instead of weeping.

It is you and your deluded version of man made christianity i am sorry for.

OLAADEGBU:
I wonder why some folks no longer hear the voice of the Shepherd.

The voice of the sheperd has nothing to do with man made instituitions called churches. It was heeding the voice of the sheperd that made me leave the fold of man made teachings preasented has God's word which is very prevalent in our churches today.

InesQor:
Haha KunleOshob I was just about to create a thread on this topic!

I ended up not stopping church attendance, i was introduced to a new church by someone i met on NL. I am much more comfortable with the teachings in my new church than my former church and most other churches

The just shall live by "faith" 

nuclearboy:
^^^ It would have been nice to agree with you, Ma'am. Unfortunately, what is true is that it is Christianity that has been suffering in the hands of CE. If people start to question the leadership of this and other same type ministries, sanity will come into our midst.

Rather than keep quiet, they should ask questions - OF THE MAN IN THE PULPIT AT CE!

Very well said, this is what all true christians should be doing. If these charlatans and their false doctrines had been challenged all along we would not have gotten to this stage.

@Post
Docrines of Men base on Arabic traditions.