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@chukwudi44
Tithing is not a christian doctrine, it is part of the evil marmon worship we were warned about in the bible hence you can never find any sound christian teaching on the heresy, only twisted doctrines and postulations as you have seen from the tithe preaching charlatans on this forum.

Maybe God wanted us to develop up till the stage we would be able to develop technologies that would enable us to travel to distant planets and discover other intelligent life forms. Have you ever wondered what is responsible for the rapid development in human technology, knowledge and awareness.

wirinet:
According to Albert Einstein theory of relativity, time travel is not possible because the theory of Relativity makes travel at a speed greater than light impossible.

And must time travel be dependent on the speed of light

huxley:
Time Travel erh? Interesting! If it is possible, how would we come to know this in principle? In other words, are we gonna arrive at this knowledge by scientific means or by some other means?

According to Albert einsten theory of relativity, time and space is relative and theoretically time travel is possible even though it is yet to be demonstrated physically.

OLAADEGBU:
Tithing in the New Testament (for obedient children of the Kingdom of God)

Jesus Christ taught it

(Matthew 23:23; Luke 11:42; Compare Matthew 5:20 with Luke 18:11-12; See Matthew 10:10; Luke 10:7-8; Mark 12:13-17).

Apostle Paul taught it

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[li]Tithing is the strong evidence of obedience and appreciation of God's blessings (Rom. 4:12; Heb.7:6-10; 1 Cor.9:7-14; 1 Tim. 6:17-18, Compare Malachi 3:8-10; Prov. 3:9-10; Gen.14:20; Deut.8:10-20). [/li]
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May God forgive you for this blaspheming and the twisting of his word for evil and greedy motives.

chukwudi44:
I wondr why "bible beleiving" christians can't defend their faith using the bible

Becos it is not the bible they believe in but the twisted interpretation they receive from their god of men.

@Chukwudi44
I told you they won't be able to come up with any biblical response to justify their delusion.

I do not belong to the school of thought that christianity is purely based on faith, there are a lot of factual and obvious truths involved which Jesus and the apostles went to great lengths to prove, Jesus actually went around doing miracles partly to prove his divinity and the apostles also performed miracles as evidence, they just didn't tell people to believe based on faith.

Recognise:
@KunleOshob

- KunleOshob

"And who is the shepherd in this case, is it God, Jesus or religious leaders"? you asked

In tandem with your question. This shepherd is the religious leader whereas this Shepherd is Jesus.

You got me a bit confused with the above highlighted could you expantiate?

Recognise:
The sheep knows the voice of the Shepherd

The Spirit of Truth's guidance is the key

And who is the sheperd in this case, is it God, Jesus or religious leaders who are notorious for distorting the word of God as is evidenced in the various sects of christianity we have today with opposing views.

olabowale:
so guys which is one is true and test proven to be held between "Your Servant Jesus Whom you sent" and "Jesus is God" both said by post Jesus ascension people? What litmus did you apply to the one you chose, since they are 180 degrees to each each oter, they cant be both 100% right or can they?

I am not one of those christians that subscribe to the trinity concept as i believe it is one of the man made concepts that found it's way into christianity and it does not have any sound biblical or logical basis rather it oozes of overzealousnes on the part of the proponents. The bible makes it clear that Jesus is the son of God and that his father is superior to him. As per the case of Islam, i have also scrutinized and i can confidently say it is a 90% man made religion with a few truths plagiarized from the bible and the torah.

posakosa:
I have definitely criticized. definitely! I have had and experienced my stages!
and I have reached the conclusion that I am incomplete without my spiritual actualization and realization. I believe in God and the truth that there is a higher power,

But religion as it is practised today goes beyond belief in God and higher power hence we have several different opposing religions and various sects practising the "same" religion, in fact most religions consists of doctrines of men that have been established as divine. How do you tell the difference?

Deep Sight:
O comon, naughty you Tudor, we have spoken repeatedly of a formless element comprised of the singularity of space and time. we have also sought to use examples of genetics and logic to show that the originating quantity possesses intelligence.

There you are: God, Brahman, Orisha, Chineke, Allah, whatever you like!

Man made distortions through religion are irelevant!

Spot on simply spot on   the above highlighted is what i have always tried to make our religous zealots and atheist alike understand, the problem is man and NOT God. Religions as we practise them are man made the way God expects us to practise religion is stated clearly in the bible but hardly any church practises it that way. Biblical definition of religion is as follows: James 1:27:
27External religious worship [religion as it is expressed in outward acts] that is pure and unblemished in the sight of God the Father is this: to visit and help and care for the orphans and widows in their affliction and need, and to keep oneself unspotted and uncontaminated from the world.

[quote author=A_K_O link=topic=327570.msg4597177#msg4597177 date=1253714447]So Adeboye's son cannot romance someone again

A very unintelligent assertion.

Obviously the so-called 'Global Excellence Magazine' is simply preying on the shallow minds of some people to make money.[/quote]Abuzola is definitely an excellent example of a very shallow mind 

1 Thessalonians 5:21:
21 but test everything that is said. Hold on to what is good.

The above quoted scripture is one i find very instructive and hold very dearly too. A lot of us hold on to certain beliefs just becos we were born into it and made to believe it is the "truth". For the christians amongst us we hold unto the bible as the gospel truth, our muslims counterperts hold on to their quoran whilst our atheist friends hold on faithfully to their delusions. But the question be asked who amongst us can say that he as scrutinized his/her belief system and understands it 100%? As the above captioned verse states how many of us have put our beliefs to test and understood it before dogmatically holding on to it as truth? I am a christian and as i understand christianity better i would be makng more references to the christian belief system as i progress on this thread. As a believer i took time out to study, scrutinize and criticise by belief system and today i believe i am better off for it and have a better understanding than someone who just beliefs becos he is afraid of going to hell or he wants to make heaven. My studies took me back to study the history of christianity, the history of the bible, the make up of the various books of the bible. The effects of translation errors on doctrine [some of these errors are deliberate] The use of bible concordance to understand the bible better, why christ really came and his true gospel, our purpose in life and our future in the cosmos. The studies are endless and continous but i believe studying with a critical out of the box mind set is crucial for us to be able to truely understand and hence justify whatever we believe in and i encourage others to do same. My findings have reformed and defined my understanding of christianity as opposed to popular church version and i truely pray we all come to the understanding of the truth one day which really is out in the open if we truelly want to find it.

mazaje:
The ONLY evidence for the existence of any god that I have been provided with are religious scriptures. . .Christians say that if you want to know who their god is, hear his voice, know his heart then read the bible. . . Same with moslems. . .That is the only evidence they have to show for the existence of their various gods. . .If the bible can be shown to be wrong(which it has) with regards to history, science, morals, and things that can be verifiable then why believe in when it comes to things that you can not verify like life after death and some of its claims of a mythical figure loving you. . . If the koran can(Which it has) be shown to be false with regards to history, moral, science etc why then believe it when it comes o thing that ou also can not verify like people being slaves of a mythical being, heaven, hell etc?. . . .

The evidence for the existience of God is all around us and not necessarily in any religious book

mazaje:
What exactly is the supernatural? invoking god and saying god did it has NEVER and will never help mankind solve any of his problem. . . . What really is the supernatural?. . . .Disease, hurricanes, earthquakes, mudslides were all thought to be supernatural events. . .Now we know that they are not. . . .diseases are caused by mindless micro organisms. . .hurricanes and earthquakes are also caused by mindless forces of nature. . . .What people have been tagging as the supernatural has being shown to be natural forces. . . .

By supernatural in the context used above means creator aka GOD. The fact that ancient men misunderstood a lot of things and there records were based on their understanding does not take away the fact that there is a creator God. I think the problem is that you atheists, Based on your lack of understanding of the scriptures and the perceived inconsistencies within it just jump into the conclusion that there is no GOD. The fact that men have distorted God’s word and message does not take away the fact that there is no GOD. I think men and religion are the problem, I am ashamed to admit that what we practice as Christianity today as little semblance with the Christianity prescribed in the bible and this is becos men have become gods unto them selves and distorted everything which they continue to do till this day. As a Christian I have scrutinized my faith and belief system and I believe I have been able to recognize and understand the truth. But truly it is a personal journey and it would be difficult for me to explain it on this forum but is wrong to assume that there is no God just becos religion as failed you.

wirinet:
I am almost certain that UFO's cannot scientifically exist, but life on another planet in one of the zillions of solar systems out there is very probable.

But UFOs certainly exist [as in Unidentified Flying Objects] that they exist is not in dispute as there are several authentic and credible sightings. What is in dispute is people's explaination of what they are as in whether they are extra terrestrial in nature or secret man made crafts.

Purist:
Sorry to digress, but mazaje. . .

Your argument makes sense. I read your other thread about why you left christianity, your concerns appear genuine to me, though I think your reasons for deciding to disbelieve in the existence of God are not good enough.

Concerning your posts here, I want to believe you are a rational thinker (or freethinker, as most atheists like to put it). So, I'll like to know. . . have you ever thought of it from this angle, that Science only explains the effect of things that were caused by the supernatural, and only gives empirical evidence of the cause as seen by we mortal beings? Now, this not about the God of the bible or koran, since it appears you have a big problem with both of them. It's about the existence of some Supernatural Cause/Supreme Being, and for the sake of this argument, let's call that - God.

@Mazaje, eagerly waiting for your response to the highlighted portion in the post above

xploits777
Whilst i agree with most of your submissions i would like to point out to you that the emphaisis of christian giving in the bible was directed towards the poor and the needy and NOT the church as most christians have been errornously led to believe. If you really want to do the will of God you must direct your resources towards helping the poor and the needy, the church is secondary to that in the scheme of things, even biblically most church collections were used to help the poor and needy unlike what obtains today. So to ensure these poor folk get what God has ordained for them i suggest we give it directly to them as the church leadersgip can no longer be entrusted to keep this divine mandate Judging from their conduct which we see today.

It is better to bne a riff-raff than to be a con man and worse still using the name of God to con people. i just fear for the kind of eternal damnation Mr Chris oyakhilome is heaping on his head.

[quote author=Black_Revo link=topic=327377.msg4594309#msg4594309 date=1253682998]Following the second round of banks’ audit exercise conducted by the Central Bank of Nigeria (CBN), officials of the apex bank found that a managing director (name withheld), whose shareholders have strong political influence in the current administration, allocated to himself share capital of N85 billion that is yet to be paid up.[/quote]The above highlighted says it all, the bank under question must be bankPHB. The yar'adua family has major stakes in the bank and their MD is one of the four bank MDs whose passport was seized last week to prevent them from travelling.

Ashimolowo is not a true christian but a confirmed false teacher/ con man who is using the truth inherent in christianity as a platform to manipulate people with the sole purpose of him accumulating financial/ material gain.

@Image123
I won't pounce on you as long as you stick to the biblical truth on the subject.

Image123:
@kunleOshob and Allta
Good to see that we're moving together. But you need to do your beer and wine researches well again o. Nobody can put 90% alcohol in any drink. [b]Then beer is usually of higher alcoholic content than wine.[/b]Also, please note that what is generally known as wine today is FERMENTED, not naturally but induced. It quite different from fresh palmwine which over time will ferment. It's different from grape juice which over time will ferment. Now yayin or bayin, I'm not a fan of 'greek words'. But it is general knowledge that Jesus turned water into 'new' wine. I think that is instructive. Do you doubt that Jesus had the power to turn the water into old wine which the people were expecting?

@Image123
As usual you are wrong beer contains much less alcohol than wine, i am glad Alta as already corrected you and supplied you with a link to verify. But then again what is all this argument about now where is it recorded in the bible that alcohol consumption is a sin and we have already established that Jesus used to consume alcoholic wine. Why are you trying to force what is not in the bible into it?

Valdis:
@Jagoon ,
Hmmm, could you tell me what the God of Abraham and the Annunaki have in common? Are you saying they are the same person/thing? Or did the God of Abraham also create the Annunaki? I have also heard somewhere that God created the Annunaki and the Annunaki created us through genetic manipulation.

@valdis
Genesis 6:1-4 provides some link between the summerian story and biblical accounts.
Genesis 6:1-4:
1 Then the people began to multiply on the earth, and daughters were born to them. 2 The sons of God saw the beautiful women and took any they wanted as their wives. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not put up with humans for such a long time, for they are only mortal flesh. In the future, their normal lifespan will be no more than 120 years.”

4[b] In those days, and for some time after, giant Nephilites lived on the earth, for whenever the sons of God had intercourse with women, they gave birth to children who became the heroes and famous warriors of ancient times.[/b]

The "sons of God"{angels} in the genesis story bears semblance to the annunaki that came from above and interbred with the earths women. I have always found this genesis account interesting as it denotes a physical God contrary to a spiritual one which the bible states God is. Also if you want to lean more about the bible and the extra terrestrial phenomena, you can check out this site: http://www.bibleufo.com/ and maybe we can discuss it later, i found the information on the site really mind boggling especially given the fact that a lot of their submissions were backed with biblical evidence.

Abuzola:
@aaidel- The pope is a bloody pretender, there was a time he insulted our beloved Prophet as murderer and conquerer. So don't be deceived

What is the insult here did your beloved prophet not preach murder? Was he not a warrior? and did he not conquer other people and force them to convert to islam?

@Gentleme
We have read all the rubbish your predecessors had to say on the false doctrine of tithes and everhting as been thoroughly punctured using biblical scriptures on like pro-tithers who are fond of twisting scripture and forcing their own deluded opinion in to the bible. So there is no pint spamming this thread with all the hubris you just posted. I would give you a glaring exaple of defective reasoning from tonye -t's post.

WHY IS TITHE GIVEN AS MONEY?
I personally do not tell believers to give in monetary grounds, its simply said, if you can give crops produce why not afterall in some orthodox gatherings they still give their increase of food produce and they all celebrate, but lets be sincere and unbiased here, whom among us do receive wages in these supposed agricultural produce. give your tithe in money as much as you do in offerings,simple!God cannot be deceived!

The above highlighted is a very good good example of how fraudsters twist scripture. Where in the bible did it say tithes should be from wages talkless of asking if we receive agricultural produce as wages The glaring truth is that God in his infinite wisdom[despite the fact that people were earning wages then and money was in use] never requested tithes from wages he requested it from produce but it was our greedy gluttons who twisted it to satisfy their greed.

Ogaga4Luv:
[size=13pt]If money is the root of all evil, why do churches want it so badly? [/size]

The church wants to help by keeping the evil away from our hands hence we give it to them.

On a more serious note the bible does not describe money as the root of all evil but rather "the love of money" love being the key word. I would reproduce the passage below for clearer understanding:
1 Timothy 6:10:
10 For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. And some people, craving money, have wandered from the true faith and pierced themselves with many sorrows.

The above passage was specifically addressed to christian preachers who see the gospel as a means of making money, many of them abound today especially in out pentecostal fold.

Allta:
Sometimes, the way you think and comment makes me wanna take a deep breathe.

This is the way it should be taught jare, encourage abstinence from consumption and don't "demonise" wine/alcohol; many of us have seen what excess of it does, and indeed, it's nothing good to write home about; most times anyways.

Thanx my brother!!

Gentle me:
what does a CATHOLIC wants to know about titheing and its modes, FATHER BAYODELE is waiting for you to come collect your afternoon MASS after you missed the MORNING ONE and went for PURIFICATION SERVICE

For your fullest information the catholic church introduced tithing to christianity in the year 567AD after the council of Macon becos the church then was broke and they needed money, how ever the catholic church as since reneged on this policy of preaching tithes as compulsary for christians when they realised it was a fraud against christianity. I wonder how many pentecostal preaches would renege on preaching tithing when they learn it is unscriptural and a pure fraud against christianity.

@Chukwudi44
I am sure by now you know that you would never get any biblical response to that question apart from the flagriant twisting of scriptures being used by the crooks to delude their zombie flock that they come to spew out here despite the fact that it does not make any sense and is glaringly contradicting the scriptures in the bible. The only rational for mordern day tithes i can come up with in the bible is this warning by St Peter in 2 Peter 2:1-3:
1 But there were also false prophets in Israel, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will cleverly teach destructive heresies and even deny the Master who bought them. In this way, they will bring sudden destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of these teachers, the way of truth will be slandered. 3 In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed.

Certainly mordern day tithing as it is preached as opposed to biblical tithing is a very good example of clever lie being used to get hold of the money of the flock as we know that the obsolete biblical tithes was not money in the first instance and the apostles never preached or encouraged any form of titihng.

brotherly:
My post has solely been based on the fact that drunkenness and addiction are sin.

However, due to the biblical concerns regarding alcohol and its effects, due to the easy temptation to consume alcohol in excess, and due to the possibility of causing offense and/or stumbling of others,due to the ease of making mistakes that an affect generations (ask Lot and Noah)  it is usually best for a Christian to abstain entirely from drinking alcohol.
peace

In the light of the above it is better preached that christians are encouraged to abstain from the consumption, ordinary moderate consumption should not be presented as a biblical sin as those doing so are twisting the word of God to butress their point and commiting an even greater sin. In our mis-placed zealousness we should not be guilty of adding to or subtracting from the word of God.