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Deep Sight:
Kunle, this is a great siggestion. But Ashtar may have security concerns since he states that the World Governments are keen to hide the truth.

So let just you and i agree on a place to meet with him secretly, so that he can show us various UFO paraphenalia and if we ar lucky we can also get him to take us on a 1 week trip to other parts of the Universe.

Ashtar, wetin you feel?

I concur @Ashtar i eagerly look forward to meeting you and your galactic fleet.

@Brotherly
What is clear to me from scriptures is that alcohol should be taken in moderation, thereis no point in trying to be more catholic than the pope. Neither Jesus nor the aposltes ever instructed complete abstainance from alcohol. Concerning apostle paul, i also read somewhere in one of his letters that we shouldn't allow anybody to dictate to us what we canot eat or drink. I would confirm the passage and post it here later.

@ashtar
Since you are the commander of a galactic fleet and you are so intent on convincing us as to the existence of UFOs why don't you pay us a visit and we would hold a world press conference to show the whole world your "galatic fleet" in that way people would stop doubting your existience.

@Brotherly
But Jesus christ never stayed away from alcohol, are you suggesting we should be holier than him?

Also in Acts 15 which recored the first church council the apostles agreed that christians were ot under any obligation to keep any of the jewish laws and described it as a burden which even the jewish peoplecould not keep.

Acts 15:5-11:
5 But then some of the believers who belonged to the sect of the Pharisees stood up and insisted, “The Gentile converts must be circumcised and required to follow the law of Moses.”   6 So the apostles and elders met together to resolve this issue. 7 At the meeting, after a long discussion, Peter stood and addressed them as follows: “Brothers, you all know that God chose me from among you some time ago to preach to the Gentiles so that they could hear the Good News and believe. 8 God knows people’s hearts, and he confirmed that he accepts Gentiles by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as he did to us. 9 He made no distinction between us and them, for he cleansed their hearts through faith. 10 So why are you now challenging God by burdening the Gentile believers with a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors were able to bear? 11 We believe that we are all saved the same way, by the undeserved grace of the Lord Jesus.”

babaearly:
@kunle
if the new covenant encapsulate the Jewish ten commandments into one grand law, dont you think the same was done for tithes and all other jewish laws?

If the same was done for tithes and the other commandments, it would have been stated clearly in the bible but on the contrary the bible makes it clear we are NOT under any obligation to obey Mosaic laws.
Galatians 3:10-11:
10 But those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse, for the Scriptures say, “Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the commands that are written in God’s Book of the Law.” 11 So it is clear that no one can be made right with God by trying to keep the law. For the Scriptures say, “It is through faith that a righteous person has life.”
Galatians 5:4:
4 For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God’s grace.

I didn't know we have resident demons on nairaland

Deep Sight:
Let's not be spiritually myopic. All things physical are a reflection of a pre-existing spiritual reality. So the fact that Rivers are mentioned is no evidence that the garden was on earth.

After all, the bible speaks of a heavenly Jerusalem. That does not mean it refers to the capital of Israel in the middle-east.

Since you have decided to be spiritually expressive could you explain or give any reasons why you think the garden of eden was not on this planet? The issue of heavenly jerusalem was expressive enough and i don't think it is an adequate analogy to use in this example of "heavenly eden"

Deep Sight:
@ Chic2 love-vendor - We happen to be a serious minded lot who know each other and post with each other in mind. If History and Archaelogy do not interest you, please just let us be ok?

@ Krayola - this is truly tremendous stuff. There are many many archaelogical finds that validate bible traditions and accounts. The Bible is definitely a largely credible book. However as Krayola stated, there are also bits that will never be verified and probably belong in the realm of faith.
Since he mentioned the Garden of Eden, i would merely like to introduce my personal perspective on that: that garden was not an earthly one, and the events described therein not earthly events. What do you think?

The garden was definitely an earthly one the location of the bible was actually given in the bible by describing it as the area were earthly rivers draw their source and three of those rivers are still in existence today.
Genesis 2:8-14:

8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

9And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

10And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

11The name of the[b] first is Pison[/b]: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;

12And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.

13And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

14And the name of the[b] third river is Hiddekel[/b]: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.

Deep Sight:
Nezan - Its a theoretical question, so we dont need to prove anything.

Is it impossible to address theoretical questions?

That UFOs exist is a confirmed fact and not theoretical, what is theoretical is what is behind the UFOs, i.e who or what is flying them? There are a lot of credible sightings and pictorial evidence of them. Even the british goverment has acknowledge the fact that they exist they just don't say what they think they are.

Deep Sight:
Kunle why are you always bandying this website about! Its interesting though!
Definitely he's extra-terrestial.
Dami it, if we claim to be spiritual beings, then we are all extra-terrestial too!

Well i find the website very intriguing and controversial as such i want others to read it so we can debate the logic of the submissions made there. I must confess about certain things i read in the site, even though i don't totally agree with every thing there, it certainly changed my perspective on several issues.

In the light of the subject matter how do we interprete this statement. i.e extra terrestrial means not of this earth.
Passage John 8:23:
23He said to them, You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world (of this earthly order); I am not of this world.

Amplified Bible (AMP)

This thread is turning into a mazaje versus davidlyan/noetic bout. I thought it was meant to discuss UFOs / Christian beliefs

I don't know how i ommited this teaching spoken by the master himself but i would insert it below co i believe it is even more relevant today than when it was first spoken.
Matthew 7:15-23:
The Tree and Its Fruit
15 “Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep but are really vicious wolves. 16 You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 A good tree produces good fruit, and a bad tree produces bad fruit. 18 A good tree can’t produce bad fruit, and a bad tree can’t produce good fruit. 19 So every tree that does not produce good fruit is chopped down and thrown into the fire. 20 Yes, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit, so you can identify people by their actions.
True Disciples
21 “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. 22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ 23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’

babaearly:
[size=14pt]When are we going to see a courageous person chronicle Nigerians pastors pentecostal scandals?[/size]

You wan spoil business for pastor chris dem be care full O else they begin to cast and bind you

Nice one krayola2 , i really enjoy articles like this as it re-inforces some of the occurences in the bible as historical facts.

babaearly:
@ kunleoshob
Yes i have read your rejoinder.
But i have one question. Do the 10 commandments and tithing fall under the same Jewish Laws?

The ten commandments in the bible as been summarized in the new testament as thus: Romans 13:8-10:
8 Owe nothing to anyone—except for your obligation to love one another. If you love your neighbor, you will fulfill the requirements of God’s law. 9 For the commandments say, “You must not commit adultery. You must not murder. You must not steal. You must not covet.” These—and other such commandments—are summed up in this one commandment: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no wrong to others, so love fulfills the requirements of God’s law.

The passage below explains it further, under the new convenant we are to follw the spirit of the law[principles] and not necessary the letters[rigid] as the letters can be subject to abuse as the pharisees often used it for.
2 Corinthians 3:3-6:
3 Clearly, you are a letter from Christ showing the result of our ministry among you. This “letter” is written not with pen and ink, but with the Spirit of the living God. It is carved not on tablets of stone, but on human hearts.
4 We are confident of all this because of our great trust in God through Christ. 5 It is not that we think we are qualified to do anything on our own. Our qualification comes from God. 6 He has enabled us to be ministers of his new covenant. This is a covenant not of written laws, but of the Spirit. The old written covenant ends in death; but under the new covenant, the Spirit gives life.

Well the paintings are from medevial times you can learn more about them on this link: http://www.bibleufo.com/anapaint1.htm

Eledumare [dirived from Elohym, El-shaddai e.t.c ] Aterere kari aiye

@Mazaje
I am still waiting for your comments on the picture evidence, or do you choose to disregard them as it puts a hole in your submissions?

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Psalm 83:18
That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

Isaiah 12:2
Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

olabowale:
I wanted to know if Yahweh, or Jehovah or Eloi was ever used by any people, before Abram left your? To my surprise no one is addressing that, except in the bigDictionaries, they just sprang to Bible verses, as if that was the very first it was used, and how was the first person who used it in the Bible informed of this? This issue was not addressed, yet wikipedia has the time to tell us about the pagan arabs, bur fails to tell us about the pagan hebrew whose community Abram settled in and adopted their hebrew language as his own!

But in the Quran, Angel Gabreil (AS) told Muhammad the name of the Creator as Allah.
Now who told "Who" in the Bible Old Testament or New Testament that the Creator is Jehovah, or Yahweh or Eloi?
KunleOshob, Noetic, etc these are assignemnts for you guys. You must show us these things. Otherwise your arguments wil be all a rouse and your accusation will not merit any responss.

Exodus 3:4-6:

4And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.

5And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.

6Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.



Exodus 6:3:
3And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Is the Church Is Hiding It?
The beings of the Bible, called God, possess and use an advanced technology that allows them to fly in vehicles, described by the biblical witnesses as strikingly similar to UFOs. This technology extends far beyond flight. The church has chosen to ignore the biblical evidence that supports this, in spite of hundreds of biblical verses proving it. This practice of ignoring biblical text extends beyond the technical aspects of God into areas of specific biblical commands and core concepts. Not only the obvious exclusion of this reality, but also the characterization of demonic association by the more zealous, gives rise to the evidence of a conspiracy of ignorance either in place, or in the making.
For those in the religious community who automatically condemn this site as evil for even questioning the integrity of the church, it stands on a very clear mandate in the Bible. 1Thessalonians 5:21 and Romans 12:2 clearly authorizes, and directs all men, and women, to prove all things. To blindly condemn the information here, without proving it wrong, is a violation of that directive.



http://www.bibleufo.com/introduction.htm

Even though some of the submissions in the website are quite ridiculous alot of it actually makes logical sense and is worth examining.

The True Nature of the Gods of the Bible
The Bible UFO Connection is a collection of the hundreds of references in the Bible to flying vehicles, close encounters, futuristic weaponry, and advanced technological character of the race of supreme beings known as the Elohiym.

The Bible UFO Connection is the result of research undertaken to find links in three, seemingly unconnected fields, theology, archeology, and ufology. In general terms, flying gods, ancient advanced technology, and the unexplained objects flying in our skies. It is the intent of this site to present truth that is hidden from the public either by ignorance or intention. It is up to the reader to judge if these long hidden connections and truths are random deletions or whether they may indeed be the key to the world's greatest deception.
This work is the result of over three decades of the research and experience of Patrick Cooke and the associates of the Oracle Research Institute, based in Berkeley, California. Patrick Cooke is a published author, an autonomous theologian and eschatologist, and is recognized as a nontraditional biblical scholar. This work is not associated with any established religious organization or belief. The concepts and paradigms presented are intended for information purposes only. All scriptural references are from the Authorized King James Bible, unless otherwise noted, and all interpretations of the original meanings of individual words are from Strong's Exhaustive Concordance.
The work began, formally, in 1997, and was first published in 2001. The website now contains over 3000 pages and has recorded over 11 million page views in its first 8 years online. It is visited by over 200 countries worldwide, currently receives over 2.5 million page views a year, and consistently ranks in the top 30 of UFO-related websites. There are two sister websites connected to this work, and several books and videos associated with it are published by Oracle Research Publishing. All websites, videos, and books are linked below.
The broad scope of this work encompasses several sections to bolster the evidence proving the existence of UFOs, ancient advanced technology, paranormal and human phenomena in the Bible and the modern world, and ancient anomalous artwork and structures. The databases on UFOs in history, the media, investigations, crash reports and quotations, giants, the lost books, cryptozoology in scripture, and the galleries of anomalous artwork and ancient structures are the most extensive available on the internet. The scriptural content of this work covers over ten percent of all verses in the King James Bible, with exhaustive attention to the original meanings of all major words directly associated with any concepts presented.

This site will make the connections by demonstrating the following points.


http://www.bibleufo.com/introduction.htm

@Olabowale
Despite all your exhaustive rants you still haven't told us why GOD decided to adopt the name of a pagan idol god as his name. And the "coincidence" of that name being the name of the idol mohammed's father was worshipping. Smells very fishy to me.

I would take the liberty to post some of the writings in the bibleufo website. i would really like to debate the submissions in the website with others on this forum, i cause as ridiculous as the submissions are a lot of them actually make a lot of sense and backed with biblical facts.

The True Nature of the Gods of the Bible
The Bible UFO Connection is a collection of the hundreds of references in the Bible to flying vehicles, close encounters, futuristic weaponry, and advanced technological character of the race of supreme beings known as the Elohiym.

The Bible UFO Connection is the result of research undertaken to find links in three, seemingly unconnected fields, theology, archeology, and ufology. In general terms, flying gods, ancient advanced technology, and the unexplained objects flying in our skies. It is the intent of this site to present truth that is hidden from the public either by ignorance or intention. It is up to the reader to judge if these long hidden connections and truths are random deletions or whether they may indeed be the key to the world's greatest deception.
This work is the result of over three decades of the research and experience of Patrick Cooke and the associates of the Oracle Research Institute, based in Berkeley, California. Patrick Cooke is a published author, an autonomous theologian and eschatologist, and is recognized as a nontraditional biblical scholar. This work is not associated with any established religious organization or belief. The concepts and paradigms presented are intended for information purposes only. All scriptural references are from the Authorized King James Bible, unless otherwise noted, and all interpretations of the original meanings of individual words are from Strong's Exhaustive Concordance.
The work began, formally, in 1997, and was first published in 2001. The website now contains over 3000 pages and has recorded over 11 million page views in its first 8 years online. It is visited by over 200 countries worldwide, currently receives over 2.5 million page views a year, and consistently ranks in the top 30 of UFO-related websites. There are two sister websites connected to this work, and several books and videos associated with it are published by Oracle Research Publishing. All websites, videos, and books are linked below.
The broad scope of this work encompasses several sections to bolster the evidence proving the existence of UFOs, ancient advanced technology, paranormal and human phenomena in the Bible and the modern world, and ancient anomalous artwork and structures. The databases on UFOs in history, the media, investigations, crash reports and quotations, giants, the lost books, cryptozoology in scripture, and the galleries of anomalous artwork and ancient structures are the most extensive available on the internet. The scriptural content of this work covers over ten percent of all verses in the King James Bible, with exhaustive attention to the original meanings of all major words directly associated with any concepts presented.

@Poster
A certain group of christians keep claiming we are in the "endtimes" even though the bible makes it clear that "no one knows the day or the hour." I really don't kow what the rational is for thsi but all the allusions they point out to in the bible to justify the delusion just doesn't add up tome, could someone well informed on the topic explain to us further why we are in the endtimes?

mazaje:
I have already told you guys to stop forcing everything that has been discovered after that book of myth and lies was written. . into it by force. . we now have christian scientist telling us how the bible completely agrees with evolution and how it also explains evolution. . .we have christian scientist also telling us that god created the big bang and that the bible completely agrees with it. . . .I know that if sceintist discover a new civilization out there some of you will start quoting bible passages saying that jesus also died for their salvation too. . . . . .You desperate attempts to make everything fit into the bible is not helping your case at all. . .

It's no use being myopic, i included pitorial evidence in my posts and these painitngs are centuries old, long before mordern aviation started talkless of mordern UFO sightings. Even though i may agree with you that the pictures are not conclusize, it is enough to make any intelligent person have a second though about it. I have made attempts to very the source of these pictures and was able to confirm that they are actually original ancient works. You don't have to believe my brother, but it won't hurt you to study more.

@Olabowale
Noetic as been able to establish firmly that Allah is not the Abrahamic God by prooving that allah is not a generic name for god as you muslims try to present it. At best it can be descibed as a later day generic name after mohammed imposed his idea of religion and forced it on the people of arabia. The evidence is in the fact that allah the god who mohammed's father worshipped was just the name one of the over three hundred idols the arabian people were worshipping then, from the evidence before us which you are yet to dispute it was mohammed that rebranded his father's god, plagiarized excerpts from the bible and the torah and added his own "scriptures" to it to arrive at the koran. It certainly is not possible for God almighty to assume the name of a pagan god just becos that was the god mohammed's father and by extention mohammed worshipped. It sure does sound very fishy to me. The bible is clear about the name of God which is Jehovah. God is also used in the generic sense to refer to God in which casewe can say that God is the title of the exalted position whilst jehovah is the name of the almighty. It is now very clear to me that it is becos of the dominace of the Islamic religion amongst the arab speaking people that the Islamic name for God was adopted to be the name for the almighty through mis-representation.

@Noetic
thanx for this expose i had always assumed that allah was the the same as the abrahamic God, and that differences occured over time through cultural diversity, but now i kow better. There is no way the Almighty God would assume the name of a pagan god.