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OLAADEGBU:
I appeal to all faithful brethren who love the Lord to pray for these guys so that the Lord will use the power of the Law to humble their hearts and then give them hearing ears and believing hearts so as to hear and believe the glorious gospel of Christ and the Daystar in their hearts to appear. God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble.

What are you ranting about here again if you have any problems with the bible based facts i posted above why do you bother to profess christianity when you find it very convinient to ignore the very core of christ's teachings yet you eagerly encourage twisted doctrines like tithes which he never taught or practised. Are you sure you know what it means to be a christain at all If you think there is anything wrong in my post then i suggest you state your deluded opinion here using scriptures [Not twsited doctrines] to back it.

olabowale:
@KunleOshob: « #6 on: Yesterday at 04:05:09 PM » This is the cornerstone of the Christian part of the Bible; Gospel, Trinity, death and resurrection and blood atonement and salvation! If you are not a believer in the Trinity, then why are you a Christian?

I have read your post enough on this forum for me to know that you know that trinity is NOT a cornerstone of the christian belief and neither does it exist in the bible. I am a christian because i believe in the true gospel of our lord Jesus christ the only begotten son of God almighty. Whom God sent to this planet to teach us the way of truth and the secrets of being admitted to his Kingdom, sadly humans have succeded in twisting this gospel for selfish and greedy motives. Also the core teachings of his gospel have been neglected for man made doctrines yet his name is used to gain credibilty. Your prophet also used his name when he invented his own religion.

@Otitokoro
What do you know abou tithes? is the tithing being practised today the same as the biblical tithes or a twisted version

@Olaadegbu
Can you tell us what the bible means by to be "born again" This should be easy to answer since you assume you are born again

@Allta
What do you think is man's true destiny? What is our purpose in existence and our role in the cosmos?

GODSON2009:
@poster
i dont know where you worship,but in my own church reddemed the process is for you to first tell your pastor after you have prayed about it, then your pastor will know how to call the girl and ask if she is single,and some other questions,if he sees that you both might be compatible,he will now assign both of you to maybe the same group in church,or fellowship or something where you will both be in close proximity then the rest will be left to you,if you speak to the girl then and she s cool with you,the pastor will assign someone to keep watch over both of you during courtship while you are attending marriage counselling, untill you get married

Are you for real tell your pastor before you toast a girl you must be kidding me right Te level of indoctrination that goes on in these pentecostal churches is appalling . I once knew of a brother who aproached a pastor to help him toast a sister in the church and pray about it, unknown to him the pastor was also interested in the same sister. The pastor just told him to keep praying about it to see if the holy spirit would reveal anything to him meanwhile the pastor started dating the babe secretly whilst the mugun was still praying and "waiting for the lord's directive". To cut the long story short the guy almost had a heart attack when the pastor annouced in church some months later that he was getting married to the sister.

OLAADEGBU:
Only if you guys can read the scriptures with the illumination of the Holy Spirit, you will realise that you are exposing yourselves as to who you really are.  Read the highlighted portions again maybe you will realise the saying that "as you point your accusing index fingers at others, the remaining fingers are pointing back at your sorry selves.

Pastor Olaadegbu, i have based all my submissions in this thread striclty on scripture and i have been able to establish from the scriptures that those who twist scxriptures for money [i.e tithes and other heretic teachings] are false prophets. Now if you fall in this category and your conscience is pricking you i guess it is better for you to do some soul searching and repent from your evil ways [love of tithes money is evil] It is no use trying to confuse issues here by quoting Jermiah here and trying to mis-apply it to the situation on ground. The evidence is glaring false prophets twist scriptures for the love of money and i can confidently say that you have several times twisted scripture on this forum to justify the criminal extortion of 10% of people's income [aka tithes] on this forum.

noetic4:
why did Jesus ask His disciples to Go into the WORLD to preach the gospel?

noetic4 in allah's paradise someone is soon going to sued for libel and defamation off charactr on this forum, Abuzola be warned

Image123:
Allta, are you there? I said it's a past participle verb drunk that was used, not an adjective 'drunk'. The importance of that is the 'drunk' in John 2 is not refering to intoxication. It is an adjective 'drunk' that refers to intoxication. Like you pointed out, 'well' is an adverb describing drunk. Thank you.
Razby, my point all along has been that the wine taken by Jesus is not what people are clamouring for today. I've not stated that Jesus did not take wine. My debate is what kind, is it paraga, stout or[b] fresh grape juice[/b]

Why do you keep trying to force what is not in the bible into it Do people get drunk on fresh grape juice were is it in the bible that remotely even suggests that what Jesus took is fresh grape juice?

Zikkyy:
You have to work harder to convince me otherwise.

You can be rest assured that my brother tonye-t would work harder to convince you, after all it is evident that his livelihood depends on tithes. Abi you want him to starve?

The bible makes it clear that one must be born again to see the kingdom of God and naturally since it is the ultimate goal of christians to be admitted into the kingdom of God this scripture as gained a lot of of popularity in the church, but the question is this: Is the term born again being properly interpreted in our churches?? Apart from the scripture in John 3 where Jesus spoke about being born again which he states belief in him[John 3:16] is a prerequisite for being born again, what most people fail to realise is that Jesus was referring to belief in his teachings and not just belief in him as a person. The question one now asks is what were Jesus core teachings? The central theme of Jesus teachings is love, love for God and love for fellow men. He also went on to teach that you can only love God whom you can't see if you love your fellow men whom you can see. The only other place in the bible were "born again" was mentioned is in first book of peter where peter who was with Jesus when he taught the subject expantiated on it and what did peter have to say in relation to the subject? The verse below says it all:
1 Peter 1:22-23:
22 You were cleansed from your sins when you obeyed the truth, so now you must show sincere love to each other as brothers and sisters. Love each other deeply with all your heart. 23 For you have been born again, but not to a life that will quickly end. Your new life will last forever because it comes from the eternal, living word of God. clearly having love for others is a condition precedent to being born again as Jesus always taught, sadly this fruit is glaringly missing in most of our christian folk who claim to be born again. The question i now put forward is this are they truly born again? Most people assume a show/pretence of Godliness and being religious = being born again. How sadly faulty this delusion is

Some UFO occurences in the bible
Zechariah 5:1-2:
1 I looked up again and saw a scroll flying through the air. 2 “What do you see?” the angel asked. “I see a flying scroll,” I replied. “It appears to be about 30 feet long and 15 feet wide.

What kind of flying scroll could have been this big


Acts 10:11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
Peter sees a craft descending from the sky.


Acts 10:16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
The craft ascended into the sky.

igbo boy:
Kunle you joking right?

Talk is cheap my brother, He aint gonna do shit, No be the same ish we hear from Obasanjo, now yar adua?? My point is Politicians are bunch of sweet talkers,

Well Soludo is not a politician even though he as now delved into politics. He is first and foremost a trie, tested and proven technocrat. I really don't understand this pull him down attitude of Nigerians. Soludo is certainly one of the best brains in this country and we should actually be begging his likes to rule us.

Soludo is a global ICON with a tried, tested and proven track record. I beleive he should be supported in his dream to transform his home state.

If you guys only knew how much bi-courtney is loosing based on the federal goverment not keeping their part of the concession agreement which includes GAT you would be sorry for them. Personally i think Wale Babalakin is a National hero and his likes should be encouraged to move this country forward. How do we expect to develop as a country if we go out of our way to destroy those who are striving to make it great. His mma2 terminal is a pride to this country unlike the ramshackled embarrasment called airport terminals that we have all over this country. It is clear that goverment needs private sector participation to develop infrastructure in this country it would not do us anygood to bring down those who have pioneered, taken huge risks, sunk in their capital and borrowed heavily to develop our infrastructure.

@Tonye-t
Lets even assume you are right [which you are not] that tithing was not part of the law, how come most of your crooked pastors preach it based on law?[Malachi 3:10] How come they also twist the tithes to mean money contrary to food that is written in the scriptures? Then could you kindly explain the logic justifying modern day tithing from the one off example of Abraham and Jacob's conditional promise to tithe. Is there any instruction in the bible to replicate this act of Abraham? Was it even God that asked Abraham to give out of his war booty[which wasn't his in the first place] to melchizedek? Please i need to know on what basis this act justifes a mandatory doctrine in our churches today if not twisted/ manipulated teachings. And if we are to follow Abraham's example would that not translate to a once in a life time tithe? Or a tithe strictly from war booty as there are no directions in the bible to follow on the issue. Or in the case of Jacob's promised tithes that would imply we tithe only conditionally if God blesses us first. i.e i can promise to tithe ten per cent if God blesses me with a billion dollars , in that case i would not be liable to tithe if God blesses me with only 999 million dolloars . Anyway i know i have taught you all this before but the love of money[which the bible describes as evil] as made you refuse to accept the truth. I would like to know what the passage below means to you as it is applicable to your likes who are fond of twisting scriptures.
Jeremiah 8:8-10:

    8 “‘How can you say, “We are wise because we have the word of the Lord,”
      when your preachers have twisted it by writing lies?    9 These wise preachers will fall
      into the trap of their own foolishness,
   for they have rejected the word of the Lord.
      Are they so wise after all?
   10 I will give their wives to others
      and their farms to strangers.
   From the least to the greatest,
      their lives are ruled by greed.
   Yes, even my prophets and priests are like that.
      They are all frauds.

OLAADEGBU:
Daily Manna
24.09.09

The Damning Fate of False Prophets

TEXT: JEREMIAH 29:20-32

KEY VERSE:
"Send to all them of the captivity, saying, Thus saith the Lord concerning Shemaiah the Nehelamite; Because that Shemaiah hath prophesied unto you, and I sent him not, and he caused you to trust in a lie: Therefore thus saith the Lord; Behold, I will punish Shemaiah . . . " (Jeremiah 29:31,32).

A local church pastor, afraid that his congregation was depleting recanted what he had said about proper Christian marriage when the elders of his church mostly polygamist threatened they would leave his church. He now told his congregation that heaven would not shut its doors against polygamist, thereby cancelling what he had earlier preached. Then when a journalist of an evening newspaper interviewed him the next day he muttered incoherently he did so to please the elders and stop them from leaving the church.

The above local pastor is in the mold of Shemaiah the false prophet in our text. The LORD had made a pronouncement concerning prophets who prophesied lies to the people, including Ahab and Zedekiah (those are different from the kings who bore the same names). Shemaiah in his unholy desire to please the people and gain vain popularity tried to discredit Jeremiah and branded him a false prophet. Already, the people did not like Jeremiah because he told them the better truth of God's word.

Christ warns every true believer of the existence of false prophets and teachers even in the household of truth. They are subtle and manipulative. Satan, their master, was the very first false prophet when he changed the truth of God's word into a lie and deceived Eve, "ye shall not surely die". Yield not to their persistent entreaties. False prophets suffer here and hereafter. "Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold , I will punish Shemaiah, the Nehelamite, and his seed: he shall not have a man to dwell among this people; neither shall he behold the good that I will do for my people . . ." (verse 32). And he never lived to see the end of the captivity and the return of God's people to Jerusalem. Beware of false prophets.

All that glitters is not gold.

Such false prophets abounds here on Nairaland religion section.

I laugh in tongues, can you imagine a false prophet like Olaadegbu waring us against false prophets

chukwudi44:
you mean to tell me God didn't know about church liabilities when He made tithing once in 3 years.

Very soon this pastors will tell you chrch liabilities has increased and as a result tithe is now 20%,if they can increase the frequency without recourse to the bible why cant the do the same to the percentage.

@Tonye-t
Since you plan to twist tithing into Abraham's covenant, let me quickly remind you that Abraham's covenat with God had absolutey nothing to do with tithes but circumsision. Also there is no biblical evidence that the tithes he gave melchizedek had a religious angle to it as tithing was a custom then in the babylonia area [pagans also practised tithing then] were abraham came from. Also note that Abraham even gave more [The remaining 90%] to the king of Sodom who was not even a priest and Abrahams reason for giving out everything is clearly stated in the bible which were purely egoistic as he didn't want any body to say he became rich through war booty. In the same vein would you say the King of Sodom [pagan king] is greater than Melchizedek since Abraham gave hime more of his booty Just pondering

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=307798.msg4602137#msg4602137 date=1253790309]@ KunleOshod my brother and friend,

believe me i feel quite disappointed with the way WE have almost turned this thread into a wrestling ground, simply because someone fails to see it your way doesnt mean you should call them CURSED, its really unfortunate believe me, and a man's comments are simply an expressions of HIS TRUE CHARACTER

until then, pls lets try and control our emotions as not to end up abusing ourselves here. KunleOshod i greet you too [/color][/font][/quote]My brother i did not mean to insult him by that statement i was only trying to warn him that he is placing himself under a curse by practising tithing based on law which your popular Malachi 3:10 is derived from. The bible is quite clear on that as evidenced in the passage below:

Galatians 3:10:

10 But those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse, for the Scriptures say, “Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the commands that are written in God’s Book of the Law

I think the workers are more concerned that all the loop holes that exist in goverment managed instituitions that they use to embezzle money would be blocked. This is why they are not satisfied with the assurances that their jobs are still secure and they would be retained by bi-courtney.

I think all brain washed pastor idolizing christians should read this article, i am sooo excited that the truth is finally coming out and more people are catching up on it, with knowledge and enlightenment[Thank God for the internet] very soon these crooks would be ran out of business and only those who truly desire to serve the lord would remain. No wonder some of the crooks are already saying that the devil is using the internet to get into people's lives.

Flying Vehicles

Clouds
There are 70 verses describing clouds as vehicles
in the Bible

Clouds are the most common descriptions of the flying vehicles of the Elohiym. This is not surprising considering the probable size and density in daylight hours attributed to these objects. The word most often used in the Old Testament for cloud is `anan, pronounced aw-nawn'; a cloud (as covering the sky), i.e. the nimbus or thunder-cloud. The descriptions as a dark cloud, thick cloud, and dark water all allude to a solid object in the sky. Since there were no solid flying objects 2000 to 4000 years ago, and the only things close were thunder or storm clouds, this is a logical relation. For those that may cling to the belief that these are actually clouds, the flight characteristics, glowing at night, and other anomalous behavior, leaves such a narrow view very much in doubt. Perhaps the most important reference to clouds is that Jesus will return with an army in the clouds. If these clouds are not the fluffy kind, but very sophisticated flying craft, as the Bible records, then this would seem to have relevance to properly identifying that army. When Bible text says that Yhovah rides a swift cloud, are we to believe that he is literally sitting atop a cloud speeding through the sky? When the cloud turns to fire at night, are we to accept that it catches on fire, even though clouds can't burn? And when it stays in a stationary position for months, catching fire every night and burning out every morning, are we really talking about a cloud? No, this, or these, are not clouds. They are only named such because no one had ever heard about flying saucers, UFOs, spacecraft or star ships. They didn't even have balloons. The only big things in the sky during that time were clouds, so they called the objects clouds.

Exodus
Splendor Appears In The Craft
16:10 And it came to pass, as Aaron spake unto the whole congregation of the children of Israel, that they looked toward the wilderness, and, behold, the glory of the Lord appeared in the cloud.
Glory is directly associated with the flying craft. The thundercloud-like object flies into the encampment of the Israelis from the desert.

Moses Entered The Vehicle
24:18 And Moses went into the midst of the cloud, and gat him up into the mount: and Moses was in the mount forty days and forty nights.
Moses goes up to the craft that is covering the mountain and enters it. Though not the only instance of men entering this craft, it is the first, thus lending more credence to the physical aspects of the craft since it will accommodate humans.


http://www.bibleufo.com/clouds1.htm

How Do These Vehicles Fly?
The fact that the objects described in the Bible are controlled, flying craft, is borne out by the flight characteristics of those objects. In Bible text the objects associated with the Elohiym are shown to exhibit rapid, prolonged flight, they ascend and descend, and they hover for extended periods. If these objects were just ethereal images created by ethereal beings, these flight descriptions would have no relevance. The fact that the authors wrote about the flight routine of these objects is evidence that they have a distinct physical presence.

earthrealm:
I asked some1 recently, how wud noah/moses/ even apostle peter hv explained a b52/an F22 fighter jet/ even a helicopter had he seen one?

Now we are talking chariots of the gods i guess. Ezekiel described his as chariots of fire.

[b]What Are They Flying?[/b]The Lord Yhovah of the Old Testament, who became the Lord Jesus of the New Testament, is described as flying in thick clouds, swift clouds, bright clouds, dark clouds, white clouds, low clouds, great clouds, and fiery clouds. There are platforms, vessels, whirling chariots of fire, sky thrones, fiery horses, cherubims, thick darkness, great fire, whirlwinds, fiery wheels, pavilions, dark waters, storms, sky dwellings, rolls, and sanctuaries. Whether, or not, one believes these objects are actually flying vehicles that the God of the Bible lives in, appears with, travels in, and is considered the seat of his power is a matter of opinion. The fact that they do not appear without him or his ambassadors, and that, in most major appearances, he and other beings are clearly described as directly associated with these flying objects, is undeniable.
http://www.bibleufo.com/subjects.htm

mazaje:
Interesting. . .The only evidence that Jesus was a miracle worker is the gospels and that is self is not an evidence. . .because if you read the works of other greek authors you will see where the write or talk about miracle working people. . .even josephus said that one emperor he wrote about died and ascended into heaven. . .
By the way did jesus not say that those that believe in him will do more wonders and magic than him so that people will see and believe?. . . .Why is it that people like you that truly believe in him are unable to do any of the things(wonders and magic) written about him even though you truly believe in him?. . . .

My belief in the deity of christ goes beyond biblical evidence and church doctrine, as i said i scrutinized the whole concept a lot, even to the point of loosing my faith becos of the complex and difficult to understand truths but i thank God today my faith is now stronger even though slightly different from the pulpit inspired christian folk. I know it would be very difficult if not impossible to explain my understanding on this forum so i won't even bother. Considering the second question you raised, i would make this statment 99% of those of us that profess christianity are not practrising true christianity. How many christians can sell all their possesions and give it to the poor as Jesus recomended If they truely believe why don't they practise it? As i said the issues are to deep to discuss on this forum and it is a private journey which every man must work out for himself.

PS: I am also far from being a perfect christian so don't think i am speaking from a position of self righteousness

blacksta:
Anti Tithers = Money has stronghold on you


You cannot serve two masters.

It is the tithe preachers that twist scriptures to justify collecting tithes that money as strong hold on and they are the ones into mammon worship.

@ttalks
How now? Olaadegbuu has consisitently proven himself to be unable to give straight forward answers as fars as this tithing fallacy is concerned. The reason being there is no straight forward scripture to support it so he as a matter of compulsion is forced to twist and panel beat scriptures to suit his delusions. That apart i suspect very strongly that he has personal interest in this tithing scam and is probably benefitting from the filthy lucre hence his reason to support it is personal and selfish. But then again, if you try a stop a man's source of revenue he is bound to fight back no matter how dirty.

@huxley
I would really like to take you up on this your hardcore atheism posture, i am sure i would be able to make you see the light however it would be very difficult to present my case on the internet as i could be guilty of confusing others who don't really understand the faith [most people don't] i really wish we can meet so we can dialogue onoe on one.

@bobbyaf
All those who depend on tithing to be put right with God are under a curse [galatians 3:10] and they have fallen of the grace of christ [galatians 5:4] so realistically speaking they can't be christians since they have no grace.

huxley:
Has Jesus returned yet?

Nope, he is waiting for you to give your life before he returns. We wouldn't want to see you roasting in hell would we?

I suggest we all do google searches on time travel/ time machine you would be amazed with how much scientific information you would come up with.