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I won't say that I am good at interpreting dreams but I will try to give my insight on this as mush as possible. If I am right thanks be to God, if wrong, well I tried to help.

I was runinning and crying profusely like a woman who had lost every thing that she had ever worked for in her entire life. asking God what my purpose here on earth on a lonely street for God knows where

Check where you are in your life right now. Are you in need of a change? Do you feel like you are being weighed down or are you having trouble in an area that is significant in your life? (only u can answer these)

all of a certain, i find my self trapped in a place that looks like a cave or a wood that has no exit and the means of going back ward was not in any existence just the only place for me is to go up and it require me in climbing the rocks as i can remember.

Well you asked God for something and he's about to show you, maybe that's why you can't go back. That way there's no confusion on the issue. You can only go into the future and never to the past, time won't allow it, so look ahead. It oculd also mean that God is asking you to give him your trust and move in the direction in which he leads you
In order for you to get to where God wants you to be, you have to work hard.

Up i go but not for long as i moved up gradually, i saw a bird nest on my way and i had to pass it to reach the top. low and behold, a kind of small snake was waiting for me at the bird nest.

Possibly that on your way you will loose focus because you have found a safe haven but that's not where the Lord wants you to be so he forces you out of it. Or that as you move ahead you will come to a level of comfort and happiness and the devil rears his ugly head.
But because the snake is small it will be something that you can overcome or could overcome.

the sight of it all scares me and i had to fell from the rock or tree i was climbing to the ground and the snake came after me alright but i jerked up from my dream

You lost faith in God, giving way to the devil.

Basically God is going to shake thing up in your life and you just have to continue to have faith in him, don't loose focus, and don't become content with any comfort that comes your way, it can be shaken at any moment. Even if it is shaken, never loose faith in God. Always trust God.

I hope that helps.

most Christians are not poor.
It's not just Nigerians that are poor.

There are muuuuslims that are even poorer than the Christians in may countries. There are even poorer muuslim nations than Christian ones.

There are buddhists that are poor, there are atheists that are poor.

Basically, there are people that are poor. Religion has nothing to do with it.

Dear Viewers,
I hope you're enjoying the scripture. . The title of every chapter may delayed but will eventually be posted roughly a day after the previous.

Yes, I am enjoying the view.

Now I would still like my answer: Is Jesus the messiah or is Muhaamad the messiah? (I won't stop asking until you give me an answer, so it would be best if you give me one)

The standard explanation that I was taught is that it refers to people who have become so muddled that they can no longer tell good from evil. The process of forgiveness requires that you confess and acknowledge your sin. Well what if you can't. What if you see good things and you call them evil while you see evil things and you consider them good. What if you see Jesus performing great deeds and miracles and yet you state that you believe that they are evil acts and he's done them by the devil. Then how are you to be forgiven.

Once you've lost the basic recognition of Good and Evil then you have commited the sin against the holy spirit.

WHAT ARE YOU FOR REAL


I will have to agree with JennyKendry.
The HolySpirit reveals, to say that you have received from the Spirit is to lie against the Spirit.

Olabowale why are you here? Where is your respect?
Did this ask about the Qu'ran or anything to do with Is'lam?
No it doesn't.
This only proves that Is'lam is insecure and in order to find a place must place doubt in the minds of the people of God.
I challenged you to prove the authenticity of the Qu'ran but all you do is try to prove the Bible false.

Change your tactic and you will be taken seriously. I've also told you not to speak on the Bible you know nothing about. You make assumptions, you challenge people to give you an answer on the Bible, meanwhile what you are asking aout happens to be false.

Quit it man.
You are being disrespectful.

my neighbour just the other day innocently changed his top in front of me, and left me struggling 4 air, the body was, wow.
now wot if, i'd grabbed the poor guy and blamed it on indecent exposure, harrassment, opression etc, nko? :Dlol and thats wot u guys claim we do to you.

HAHAHAHAH IH MY GOODNESS. Now you have left me looking for air with this. LOLOLOLOLOL.

Giiiirrrrrllll I understand.

In that situation, being a Catholic, I do the sign of the cross and say "Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning so shall it be now and forever, Amen."

or 3 Hail Mary's.

I have to be single since I am not ready for marriage. When I am done with school God will send a good friend to come and the wait won't be for long. Amen.

But um comparing a man wearing boxers to a woman's undies showing is not exactly fair comparison o. One shows more skin than the other. You can actually outline a woman with her undies but not a man with his boxers o.
Most boxers look like regular shorts anyway.

I own some and walk out wearing one.

McCain is in the shadow of Obama. He changed his slogan to resemble Obama's and worse is he fails to deliver. I listened to two of his speeches last night and this morning, that man needs a redbull.

Rubbish, that man does not need that woman to win.
If he picks her he might even loose. If he picks her, he shows weakness, especially since she's pressuring him.
She has also pissed off a lot of people, even those who were for her. There was a big rush from her superdelegates to Obama last night and this morning. She offended a lot of people with her speech last night. She is lacks tact and is selfish. If she is on the ticket, she will drag him down, if she doesn't, Bill will.

Not only does Obama need to win, he also needs to govern. You can't have two Alphas in the same house. I don't trust Hillary too, she has no respect for anyone especially Obama. She has shown that, definitely last night with that speech that she gave.

In the end he doesn't need her.

To against McCain, even though he's a real good leader, he will chew McCain raw. McCain spoke last night and it looked like all the people had ditched him to go to Minnesota to listen to Obama. All I heard were crickets when he spoke. He tried to deliver a heavy blow to Obama, but failed to deliver and was heavily criticised for it by the press, the democrats and even the republicans. He has challenged Obama to a once a week town hall meeting for 10 weeks. I say big mistake. Obama will definitely finish him off. Obama can call you a fool and still make you think he's your best friend. That man is a powerful speech giver. McCain will be drowning if he faces Obama in a debate.

AP tally: Obama effectively clinches nomination 20 minutes ago 06/03/08



WASHINGTON - Barack Obama has effectively clinched the Democratic presidential nomination, based on an Associated Press tally of convention delegates.


The tally put Obama over the top Tuesday, ahead of the results from the day's final primaries in Montana and South Dakota. The Illinois senator becomes the first black candidate ever to lead his party into a fall campaign for the White House. Obama outlasted former first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton in a historic contest and now faces Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona for the presidency.

This is false. AP reported incorrectly, the battle is still going on. Even with the delegates for grabs with South Dakota and Montana, he won't get the nomination until those unpledged Super delegates move to him. Which they should.

Therefore by osmosis, you are now blaming God for the opposing verses of One Lord God verses 3 independent persons god of the Christian?

Stop making assupmtions because you do not believe. At least attack the actual belief not something that you "think" Christians believe. We don't believe that there are three Gods independent on of each other. We believe it is one God in three forms. His Word and His Spirit. I already proved how this cannot be different from him.

Now which one of the two is true, since they are going opposite of each other?

They're not opposite each other especially when the Son has already confirmed that they are one and the same. Verses have already been given, don't be ignorant.

Claim what you will. But to say that the style of the Qu.r'anic writing, is the same as the Bible shows that you have not paid attention to the essence of the Qu.r'an content.

This shows that you have not studied the english language.

We do not have the speech of the companions and the next generation in the Q.your'an, whereas the Bible houses the speech and the journeys of the disciples and even later generations, like Paul

And what is so wrong in God with clarity and understanding. How else will you know God if you don't understand him or what it is he wants you to do.
The Bible was not written in one sitting. It was written over the ages. As time moved on. As these events took place. It doesn't have any hidden event or hidden dialogue but puts everything to light for you to see for yourself. That shows its authentication, not some book that was written over a few years about the ages.  As God revealed himself to the people, it was documented. If you expect me to believe one man's dream over actual witnesses you are wrong, and if you do, you are delusional.

We do not have the prediction of Mu.hammad in the Q.u.r'an, while even the predictionof even Paul is in the Bible.

I don't think I am aware of this, please show me. And if he was predicted, what's wrong with that?

I'm also glad you show that there isn't a prediction of Muhaamad, goes to show that he came up with it himself.

We do not have M.uha.mmad writing about his own death, while Moses wrote about his own death!

Have you heard of the Prophet Joshua, Moses' successor? Did it ever occur to you that he may have written that portion?
Ofcourse Muhaamad didn't write about his own death, and neither did Moses. By the way I thought Muhaamad was an unlearned man.

You must have taken me for a gullible hearted person if you though that i will quitely agree with your un substntiated assumptions above.

I don't have to. You show it in your posts. I'm not expecting you to believe it. I'm not expecting you to believe anything, afterall I am not in the conversion business. I do hope you don't think I am trying to convert you. That is not for me to do. I don't fight God's battles. He is well capable of doing that.

My Own truth is that my Lord God is One. Jesus and me hold the same truth. But I do not want you to worship me like you worship Jesus. That will be unacceptable. Come to think of it, I have beard just like him, too.

Good for you. I wonder how you know that Jesus had the beard. Did you see him?

I am unlettered in the act of Computer wizardry. But I know the truth, though. I know that God is not One of the Three. Thats a start. I also know that God is beyond behaving like man, or being tortured, being punished, being killed/hanged, etc.

Ok do the best you can, but please do it and not deviate.

You see that instead of the biblical Jesus answering the man directly, he was going to a different subject altogether? Is this the way of a prophet of God? I conclude that it is very fishy that a prophet could have gone all over the places, yet not providing an answer. Somebody delutional must have tried to introduce being born again as a concept, but he must force it into the mouth of jesus in order that it has acceptance. Don't forget that the jew was smart enough to know that he was not more than a prophet of god, even as he perfrmed all the miracles.

Oh my goodness, you deviated. You see you're doing it again, instead of sticking to the question at hand, you try to cast doubt. Why can't you come up with your own truth?

And no he did not go off into a different subject. The man asked him a question and he replied saying, you won't believe me because your eyes are not opened.

I wonder if this flesh gives birth to flesh, ever applies to Jesus?

Or maybe you forgot that he came out of a woman's vagina. Or did he just appear into the world?
What about the angels aren't they living in the spiritual world? how come they became physical when they appeared? How come one could see them? Surely, they are not confined to our space and time.

Wasn't Elijah lifeted into heavens? There went your god's statement. The Bible itself defeats itself. Which part is lying and which part is telling the truth?

You have got to be kidding me. Weren't the Isrealites expecting Elijah again? That was one of your points sometime in a thread, that the Isrealites were expecting someone else or something like that.

Play on words. See how "begotten," is missing from this major verse! Now defend it.

New American version
  or

John 3:16 (New American Standard Bible)

16"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Still the same thing.

Where is the "begotten,' of the verse? How can I trust anything from the book that is like a fair weathered friend; always changing eager to please everyone. We call that gellyfish syndrome, because of lack of firmness of conviction.

It is in verse 16 not verses 17 to 21. It is not changing, it is still the same. It is not eager to please anyone but to get them to understand it better. I apologise, my God isn't so evil to speak to his people in a language they do not understand.

Don't forget the Qu'ran does this too. Don't be foolish to claim otherwise, I have proof.

Oh by the way, you keep proving my stance on you only casting doubt on the Bible to make the Qu'ran look better.

You see the firmness and directness in th speech? And M.uha.mm.ad has no speech in the Qu.r'a.n. I keep telling you, but you refuse to listen.

The English language used in the Qu'ran is different from the English language used in the Bible, how?

So God speaks in the thrid person?

Instead of saying "I am the Lord your God" he says "God is your God"
or "I will establish in strength those who believe, with the word that stands firm, in this world and in the hereafter; but I will leave to stray, those who do wrong: I doeth what I willeth"
he says "God will establish in strength those who believe, with the word that stands firm, in this world and in the Hereafter; but God will leave, to stray, those who do wrong: God doeth what He willeth."

You don't know the name of the holy spirit. Hence, you don't know who the comforter is, even as you call him the spirit. Whats the proper name of the holy spirit, if you will begin to fess up? The holy spirit is no one but Angel gabreil! the comforter, like the other comforter of his time, Jesus was Muha.mm.ad (AS). I beg woman, let me hear words.

Yes return to your same old claim. You have nothing else to go on.
Like I said it is a Spirit and it was known as the Spirit, but just to give you some names:

The Spirit of Truth (And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you) John 14: 16-17;

The Spirit of Grace and Supplication (Zechariah 12:10)

The Spirit of Judgement (Isaiah 28: 5-6)

But if your really looking for the hebrew names as was in the Bible, then you will be looking for

Ruach Adonai, Ruach HaEmet; Ruach Elohim. It has many names.
Sorry but none of it is Muhaaamad.

This is preaching or dialogue? Where is though shall not steal, etc, as he used to tell the Israelites? And which verse is correct when he actually likened another samaritan or a non Israelite/gentile to dog? Where is the honor calling somebody a dog? You have a reoccuring pattern in the Bible; One goes North and the other goes South!

You asked for something and I gave it to you, whether or not you can see it is completely on you, but if you want it narrowed then I will.

10 Jesus answered and said to her, "If you knew the of God and who is saying to you, 'Give me a drink," you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.

The living water he speaks of is not physical, but salvation from God.

11 The woman said to him, "Sir, you do not even have a bucket and the cistern is deep; where then can you get this living water?
12 Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us this cistern and drank from it himself with his children and his flocks?"

The woman didn't understand, she thought like you do.

13 Jesus answered and said to her, "Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again;
14 But whoever drinks the water I shall give will never thirst; the water I shall give will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life."

So Christ goes on to tell her that if she receives the salvation she will spend eternity in the embrace of God without ever needing again.

15 The woman said to him, "Sir give me this water, so that I may not thirst or have to keep coming here to draw water."

The woman decides to accept the salvation

Sir a preaching can take place in a dialogue. I can be preaching to you while both of us are speaking to each other. It just means that I have the patience to explain it to you rather than just tell you and set you on your way with confusion in your heart.

Where is though shall not steal, etc, as he used to tell the Israelites?

Do I have to lay a commandment to preach to you? No. I don't even have to talk about God to preach to you. To preach is to proclaim or make known. It can be in writing form too. So dear don't show a limitaion of the mind.

He didn't just lay the commandments, he also let them know that he is the Son of God. Certainly that's why he was crucified, to them he was blaspheming.
So he preached the same thing to the Samaritan as he did the Isrealites.

And which verse is correct when he actually likened another samaritan or a non Israelite/gentile to dog? Where is the honor calling somebody a dog? You have a reoccuring pattern in the Bible; One goes North and the other goes South!

It doesn't go North or South, neither does it go left or right. It is the same. That you don't understand it, doesn't mean it isn't. Besides I already told you why you don't understand it.

The fact that the Samaritans were viewed as lesser beings only goes to show Jesus' love for all.
Well here it is in full view:

"Matthew 15:22-28 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession.” Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.” He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said. He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to their dogs.” “Yes, Lord,” she said, “but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table.” Then Jesus answered, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour"

The image Jesus has chosen is an image of endearment, not insult. The picture of supper-time, with little kids at the table, and their pet “puppies” (the Greek word for ‘dog’ here is not the standard, ‘outside’ dog–which MIGHT BE an insult–, but is the diminutive word, meaning ‘household pets, little dogs’…) at their feet, maybe tugging on their robes for food or play. The puppies, dear to the children and probably so too to the master (Sam 12.3f: but the poor man had nothing except one little ewe lamb he had bought. He raised it, and it grew up with him and his children. It shared his food, drank from his cup and even slept in his arms. It was like a daughter to him.), were to be fed AFTER the children (notice: not DENIED food–there was no “NO” in Jesus image–only “WAIT”). But the temporal order is clear–Jesus must take care of His disciples FIRST, and if meeting her need involved interrupting their rest and GOING SOMEWHERE, then it was going to have to wait.

I bet if you paid attention to the fact that Jesus declared that he himself worshipped as all others who worshipped, you will not put that verse up for me. I bet that those who do not know what they worship are the Christians. Seeng that they even worship the one who also worshipped.

Once again you deviated to cast doubt. Since I won't post it, why don't you.
Then I will show you several passages where Jesus was worshipped and he never rebuked them and many instances where he assured them it was right to do so.

When you worship the entity that he himself also worships, you are just being a human worshipper here. Look at what your leadership in christendom did. And now that authority has ben given to him (lies), does it then now make him not a worshipper anymore, since he had worshipped before then? Who gave him all the authority? Is the giver not always greater than the receiver? If one receives, does it make that person equal to the giver? Could the mere authority given to Jesus (not that i believe it, but am just trying to let you see the faults in your assumptions), now make him equal to the one who gave him the authority? Is there anything that the giver kept for himself? Who is the Owner of the Throne Supreme now: Jesus or God Almighty? How do you have three godheads here all of a sudden, when he Jesus, had said earlier that his Lord God is but One God, who is also the Lord God of his audience? Which verse is correct now?

I will start taking you seriously when you start backing up your assumptions.

Did you catch how unbelievable the last story is, since every prophet before him and he before his alleged death had spoken about a single God?

So me showing you that even the Prophets of Old knew that there was a Son and a Holy Spirit was in vain?

By the way were the samarians/samaritans themselves gentiles or not lost sheep of the house of Israel? But do you see discriminations at work in the verse, against the poor gentiles, at least?

Ah but I thought the Bible was corrupted, why would the corrupted Bible show that the Isrealites were discriminators.
See what I mean when I say that the answer you give in one place contradicts your answer elsewhere.
Look the Qu'ran holds no base, therefore it must cast doubt elsewhere, unfortunately towards the truth in the Bible.
I still haven't received any proof of authentication, other than the Bible is corrupt therefore the Qu'ran must hold the truth.
Common you can do better than that, and if you can't, then you know where the truth lies.

Another change! When do you stop changing that I wonder what will be next? How can he be given glory and honor for a death that he refused to accept willingly, even though he was cultivated for it? Is this not a direct indication of being unfair? Thank you, now, we have the words of Matthew. And before long, somebody will say its all words of Christian God. Is Matthew now part of it

Dude my exclamation of "What has changed?" is in reference to you asking for the change. It is not used in the context of a change being occured. But even at that, it only shows that Christ has fulfilled what he was sent to fulfilled. He has been betrayed, tried, and crucified. Then he descended to hell to free those souls in bondage as a Spirit and then rose again in the flesh as proof to his followers. He has accomplished what man cannot fathom imaginable, therefore giving him the crown of glory. With that authority, the authority of having all the power that God obtains, gave a directive to his disciples, but instead of leaving them empty handed and powerless as mere men, he equipped them with the Spirit. The Spirit gives them direction on the way to go and when they encounter evil, then can overcome it.
Sorry that my God loves me enough to equip me with power to defeat the devil, rather than leaving me alone in the flesh to fight a spirit. Doesn't that make sense to you? That you do not fight a spirit with the flesh? You fight the spirit with the spirit. i'm sorry but your god left you ill-equipped against the devil. If the devil comes knocking you have no power to defeat him, except your weak flesh. But then again the devil won't knock mostly on your door because he has won the battle with you, but he will knock on my door because he knows he hasn't won here, so he'll keep trying but unfortunately for him, he will always loose. (Sorry for the preaching, I just got carried away with the Spirit)

How can he be given glory and honor for a death that he refused to accept willingly, even though he was cultivated for it?

I keep wondering if you read my posts at all. Didn't I already post scripture showing that Jesus accepted his destiny? I'll ask you this, if a man is sentenced to die and he really doesn't want to die, does he keep silent? Doesn't he try to appeal?

You keep proving my claim of you being generic. You keep saying the same thing for the sake of argument. You ask me to show you, I show you. You say he protested, I show you that there is not a verse that states that he protested and prove that you ahve no knowledge of the Bible, yet you continue with the same thing.

Thank you, now, we have the words of Matthew. And before long, somebody will say its all words of Christian God. Is Matthew now part of it

Do I really have to address this again? I guess so because you don't get that God uses men.
The Qu'ran is not in the words of God. Well just for arguments case, it's in the words of Angel Gabriel or did Muhaaamad see the face of God and hear directly from the mouth of God?

So tell me, when is the hour, that jesus himself did not know anything about? If you can not know the precise time, please know that you have been bullwinkled.

WHAT IN THE WORLD?
Why are you so desperate to pull at all straws? I thought the Qu'ran holds the truth?
The verse states that Christ was handed the Kingdom of Heaven, it didn't have to deviate into an hour or the spot they were standing in or the clothes the wore or if they brushed thier teeth that morning or took a bath or ate or anything of irrelevance.
But since you want it, I will give it to you. Christ died at 3:00pm. This is the exact hour that the Jews make their sacrifice after passover, coincidence I think not. Christ became the sacrificial lamb. With him dying at this hour he descended into hell with the keys and released those who were enslaved in hell.

I pity Jerry Fahwell, who hoped to be raptured and unfortunately died behind his desk at the office

I hoped to attend Alicia Keys' concert in Atlanta, but unfortunately I had to be in Tallahassee for school and work.
This statement is ridiculous and shouldn't be coming from a man your age. Wisen up.

My darling, you are so gullible. Take a good look at it for the benefit of your soul. Don't fall for everything.

That's why you believe that Muhaaaamad was in the sky and was able to describe the temple even though he had been there before. How could he miss it he was surrounded by Christians and Jews, but ofcourse it's not possible because he was always confined to Arabia and they tied his legs down and permitted him not to travel. So there's no other way he could have seen it, except for when he was in the sky.

Who's the gullible one again?

Big deal. The Lord God can do what He wants. You should first accept guidance and then we can talk about other things.

But he cannot manifest himself as a human or send his Spirit into the world as help to his people or inspire people to do his work regardless of social or financial status. Yeah he's really limited huh.
Just because you cannot fathom the idea that God can walk on the earth, doesn't mean that he can't. He is God remember? Human logic does not come close to understanding his manifestation. That's why we need his help and we get that in his Spirit.
Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't have guidance.

To think or have a thought does not translate to doubt

No but in order to have doubt you have to have had a thought. So I repeat: So when you have a thought, your thoughts are not real? Abi they're fake thoughts? Let me know when the real ones come to you.

I am saying that the evil one has made what is false to look as the truth. And what is true, he creates the doubt that it is false

You thief, you stole my sayings!!!! This is what I've been saying all along. The only way the Qu'ran can hold to be true is to cast the Bible as false, by creating doubt. I'm glad you're catching on.

Coupled with the verse that you listed above, where Jesus himself declared that he is one of the worshippers, like a true worshipper

Where did I post that?

Don't get angry with me o. I still want you to open your eyes and see things in all its shades of colors.

Anger is not of me, only love. The Spirit showed me that. He can show you too.

So by the authority you have now, please give me the exact timing of the hour?

Sorry but the authority given to me is not that of magic. Besides I gave an explanation of the authority. It is to trample over evil not to prove myself as a god or one with supernatural powers.

Well I don't want to even comment on the fantastic story about the Jew's effort of rebuking a demon which talks. Is this where Catholic exorsizm began?

I know it just sounds so silly that the devil may have a voice. That he could actually do something.

What do you think Prophets are? Part of their functions is to guide, admonishes the people who are astray. Is that not obvious when Jesus said that he was sent but to the "Lost" sheep of the house of Israel? Now tell me what would would you call the fact that two verses are completely opposing each other on a single subject? Is that not confusion?

It is only confusing to those who want to pick one passage and run with it, rather than read everything and view it as a whole.
It is not confusion, besides everything is consistent. The Prophets of Old knew about the Son and prophecied of him at different times and of the Spirit too, Muhaaamad jsut claims that there's no Son and that he's the Spirit. Pulling at straws to make a claim. Like I said when you stop answering and proving Isl'am by casting a shadow of doubt on the Bible, I will take you seriosuly. But I know you cannot do that. You have to prove Isl'am using the Bible and then saying that the interpretations of it or the writings in it are incorrect.

Zaid bin Thabit (RA) was not his son, but an adopted son. God cancelled adoptions, as it is practiced, whereby the true bloodline of the adopted is wiped off. This is the essence of marriage.

Ok he married another man's wife. Why didn't he just say well they are divorced why did there have to be a revelation on it, you know to show credibility. I don't care if Aisha defended him, she believed whatever she said and she probably wanted to be with him, you know the big rock star of that time, what woman wouldn't want that. Afterall, God revealed to Muhaaaamad that whatever woman wanted to be with him, she could, but only him ofcourse.

I wonder if you are talking about the spoil of wars? I wonder what a victor does after a war? You leave the propers of the dead, the defeated unclaimed and unused?

No I am talking about him raiding people. No war. Just Muhaaamad raiding people.

Even the slaves of Egypt, the Israelites borrowed the golds, animals from their masters. They took everything for themselves

First, they didn't take everyting for themselves
Second, it was a pyment for 400 years of slavery.
Did you expect them to leave and head to the desert without anything? They earned it, just like blacks earned reparations for their slavery.

Now I did not mean that i am from a better stock. No, madam you will not hear me saying that. I am a Yoruba boy and you are Bini woman. Bini people are the fathers of the Yorubas, according to you. How can I be from a better stock, except that I am from the left over after you have been made.

Good

See how slick I am, disarming a woman, ready to unleash her anger? Lol. Ko yo oo!

Yes sir, you're very slick alright. I was just gonna blow up on you. You did a great job you man you.

You miss the whole issue of ideas, then. What Forrest did was to tell a story, so that the audience can live through it.

No I didn't, you just had a very poor contrast.

That what God did, in the story telling part of the Q.your'an

Yeah, Forrest still told told his story in the first person. Like I said poor contrast.

It does not matter when it was in narative, but it is always so when it is in command. In the command, God tells M.uh.amm.ad by commandment to tell the addressed people, what He commands.

it's either God speaks in the third person when he commands (which doesn't make sense) or that part of the Qu'ran was written by Muhaaamad (which will lay the claim that God wrote the Qu'ran as false)

Exaltation, for a human being to say that he is the son of man?

No that the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of God
that the Son of Man will be lifted up
that everyone who believes in the Son of man may have eternal life.

Darling look at his response when they asked him about being a messiah (If I tell you, you will not believe) versus, the response ehen they asked him being son of God (You say that I am). One will see that the Biblical jesus was telling them that they will not accept his answer, because of their denial of him being the messiah to them. And Jesus answered their son of God question by saying that this is their saying, which is not the same as his. There in what produced of the bible, one sees that Jesus says he is the messiah, but they are the ones calling him son of God!

If you call me ~Lady~ and I say, you call me that, does it say that I do not consider myself to be ~Lady~?
I think you deliberatly miss the other verses that show him saying he's the Son of God and that you just didn't want to continue reading down to see that he spoke of himself as the Son of God.

I dealt with this above already. No begotten here. It is ordinary son, like all the sons alive at that time, since the jews were sons of God!

First of all it is Son not son, get it right. That is a big difference.
Second maybe you just decided to miss the part about ONLY Son of God

Nice one, except that you did not remember that Jesus was asked at the critical and crucial point to declare his son of godship, but he did not?

Then why was he crucified if he denied it?
You can't claim that he wasn't crucified, even the Jews and the history of Rome attests to that. Oh don't give me the whole illusion story. A lance was pierced at his side. I guess at that point, he was on the cross, but before and after that he was just an illusion.

Olabowale can you please allow me to finish posting my points before you post yours? Thanks.

Now I have to figure out how to finish mine.

I am going to try to modify my post with the additions that I didn't have time to input last time, so go back and check them.
And then I will view your points.

Remember I am a student and I work too. I am very busy.

@Pastor AIO: Please, tell me where what I wrote is not capableof standing, in defense of I.slam? Remember that all my argument is inferred from Is.l.am.

I can't believe you even paid attention to him. He can't even give an interpretation of the Bible he reads from.

I still stand that reading the Qu'ran will strengthen your belief as a Christian

@Pastor AIO: For a heart not to be intensed in wanting to deceive and incorrigible, it has to be immensed in belief. That is exactly what i have stated in my prior entry.

It means that the more belief enters the heart, the greater is the God consciousness and easier is for the heart to stay guided.

First of all, when did you become a Christian.
Second, no Christian cares for what the prophet says.
Third, have some respect for Christian threads not to input Qu'ranic verses into it.
Fourth, you still didn't answer the question.

hey Lady, can see your on too
sup with ya!

hw class?
wher did u trvl to Nig?
how is your Mom?
hp u are doin the may devotion? im using cral's recipe n itz workn just fine. . .

Classes are going well. I just have to stay on top of them, my professors are no joking matter. Homework too much, lol. and they're just the minimum problems we must solve. lol. I love being a student, it would make graduation even sweeter.

Lol, I wish I traveled to Nigeria. I won't return, not until I finish all the Suya and Isi Ewu.

Mumsy's doing great. We resolved our issue.

I have to admit I wasn't completely devoted to the May devotion. I missed some days. I started out with a bang and finished with a flop, lol. I pray I get better with time.


Well hello everybody.
Hope life is treating you all well. Stay blessed, love you all.

May the peace of Christ be with you now and forever. Amen.

This is the only reaction to the truth. If I were to use your system of concluding, as you have demostrated above, to the Bible, I will have to say that that is what the writers of the Bible said, because Jesus did not say any of those and definitely God did not say them.

And I would have to inform you that never did we claim that they didn't write it down, but that the content of what they wrote down was inspired by the Spirit of God, therefore having God as its author. They did not write down something to their own willing, but conveyed that which the Lord wanted penned down.

Upon reading the Qu'ran, I conclude that the way it is written is not different from the Bible, that is why I say that the Book was not written by God or spoken by him. The Bible however is in the words of the writers. They make a distinction between the actual words of Jesus in the physical by quoting them. Now the the great book does the same with All'ah, therefore if you are to claim that the Bible is not the Word of God, it would not be wrong for me to also claim that the Qu'ran is not the Word of God.

Like I said, muuuslims have generic answers to everything. You have generic assumptions and when clarified on the issue, you still stick to your assumption because that is the only "truth" that you hold. Your truth is doubt.

But then, as a mu.sli.m, I will disingenous because I can see verses in the Bible that even though not a direct word for word statement from either God, or Jesus, or other prophets, or angel, one will see similarity in the Q.u.r'an.

Take note below. I have presented you the style of writing in the Bible and that of the Qu'ran. They are the same.
Now I know you can speak and read and understand English, so please point out to me, the words of Nicodemu, Jesus, and the writer.
Then also point out to me the words of All'ah and Muhaamad.
You can highlight the words of Jesus in Red, Nicodemus in blue, Muhaaamad in Purple, All'ah in green, the writer in brown. Thanks.


The Bible

1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a member of the Jewish ruling council.
2 He came to Jesus at night and said, "Rabbi, we know you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the miraculous signs you are doing if God were not with him."
3 In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."

4 "How can a man be born when he is old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!"

5 Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
7 You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You must be born again.'
8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."

9 "How can this be?" Nicodemus asked.

10 "You are Israel's teacher," said Jesus, "and do you not understand these things?
11 I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony.
12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?
13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.
14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,
15 that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.

16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.
19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."

The Qu'ran

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Seest thou not how God sets forth a parable? - A goodly word like a goodly tree, whose root is firmly fixed, and its branches (reach) to the heavens,- of its Lord. So God sets forth parables for men, in order that they may receive admonition.
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It brings forth its fruit at all times, by the leave of its Lord. So God sets forth parables for men, in order that they may receive admonition.
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And the parable of an evil Word is that of an evil tree: It is torn up by the root from the surface of the earth: it has no stability.
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God will establish in strength those who believe, with the word that stands firm, in this world and in the Hereafter; but God will leave, to stray, those who do wrong: God doeth what He willeth.

You are entitled to your denial since the Bible stop short, in its content of the time of the revelation of th Q.your'an. I can see why a Comforter all of a sudden becomes a ghost/spirit.

The Comforter did not all of a sudden become a ghost or spirit. It has always been that way, and yes it was acknowledged by the Prophets. I told you to know the Bible before you assume it's sayings.

If this is your example of preaching to the Samaritan, please tell us what he preached to them.

I will continue where I left off (John 4)

10 Jesus answered and said to her, "If you knew the of God and who is saying to you, 'Give me a drink," you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.
11 The woman said to him, "Sir, you do not even have a bucket and the cistern is deep; where then can you get this living water?
12 Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us this cistern and drank from it himself with his children and his flocks?"
13 Jesus answered and said to her, "Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again;
14 But whoever drinks the water I shall give will never thirst; the water I shall give will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life."
15 The woman said to him, "Sir give me this water, so that I may not thirst or have to keep coming here to draw water."
16 Jesus said to her, "Go call your husband and come back."
17 The woman answered and said to him, "I do not have a husband." Jesus answered her, "You are right in saying, 'I do not have a husband.'
18 For you have had five husbands and the one you have now is not your husband. What you have said is true."
19 The woman said to him, "Sir, I can see that you are a prophet.
20 Our ancestors worshipped on this mountain; but you people say that the place to worship is in Jerusalem."
21 Jesus said to her, "Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when you will worship the ather neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.
22 You people worship what you do not understand; we worship what we understand, because salvation is from the Jews.
23 But the hour is coming, and is now here, when true worshippers will worship the Father in Spirit and in truth; and indeed the Father seeks such people to worship him.
24 God is Spirit and those who worship him must worship in Spirit and truth."
25 The woman said to him, "I know that the messiah is coming, the one called the Anointed; when he comes, he will tell us everything."
26 Jesus said to her, "I am he, the one who is speaking with you."


I warned you that you should know what is in the Bible before you make conclusions.
Pay attention definitely to verse 22. He lets us know that worshipping was not take place on just that mountain or in Jerusalem. He already hinted at the whole world hearing the Gospel.
So like I said know the Bible before you speak of what it contains.

Why then did he say that he was sent only to the house of Israel and also instructed his disciples not to enter even to the houses of the same Samarians/Samaritans? Somebody must not be telling the truth on reality and perception.

"Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them. And when they saw him they worshiped him, but some doubted. And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age." (Matthew 28:16-20)

Did you catch the reason why the disciples were to go and make disciples of all nations? Before his death and resurrection it was a different story:

"These twelve Jesus sent out, instructing them, “Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And proclaim as you go, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand." (Matthew 10:5-7)

What has changed? Very simply, Jesus has been “crowned with glory and honour because of the suffering of death.” (Hebrews 2:9) Or, in the words of Matthew, “all authority in heaven and earth” has been given to him. Now he has authority over every nation: the nations are to become his disciples.

So no twist to reality. You won't understand because when you hear, you hear in parables. When I hear it makes perfect sense.

"And he said to them, “To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables, so that ‘they may indeed see but not perceive, and may indeed hear but not understand, lest they should turn and be forgiven.’” "(Mark 4:11-12)

Baby, earthquake? Please. Do you know the effect of earthquakes?

How about the other things that were happening eh?

When the devil put doubt, his doubt is not always real.

How naive can you be? That when there is doubt it is not real? So when you have a thought, your thoughts are not real? Abi they're fake thoughts? Let me know when the real ones come to you. So ti gbo? (i hope that's how it's spelt, lol, I'm really working on the yoruba)

Qu.r'an declares about Jesus, his humannessand that of his mother Mary, that don't you see that they eat food (for existence) just like every human being? Is that a doubt that is unreal or is that a true reality? Was Jesus not hungry enough that he showed signs of distress?

Point to the Bible verse that said Jesus did not live like a human being. Point to the verse that says that he didn't eat or sleep or wound. He was fully human, so that he could live among us, so that he could be seen with our own physical eyes by us. So that while seeing him, we can observe him and his actions and listen to his teachings. So that we can walk in his footsteps and become more closer to God, away from the sinful world and be counted into God's kingdom.
So you see, we view him as fully human, yet fully divine, because he alone was sinless. Only God can be sinless. So I have spoken this to you, I don't want you to become blind to it and bring it up as an assumption again as if I didn't explain it to you here. So i don't expect you to say something like "how can you not understand that Jesus was human and he ate?"

How does God work? You are now an authority in the works of God?

Yes actually I am an authority in the works of God. You see when he bestowed upon me his Spirit at my baptism, he gave me the power to trample over the devil. He gave me authority over evil. When I speak his name, the demons tremble. Perfect example, A demon possessed a man and one of the Jews tried to rebule it in Jesus name. The demon said "Jesus I know, Paul I recognise, who are you?"
The point is, when you are one of God's chosen you have authority.

Nonetheless, I do know that God is not an author of confusion, he will not lie. He is a God of consistency. He will not for years allow the Children of Isreal to corrupt his words and continue to send them his prophets and then all of a sudden change his mind.

Could anyone have thought that Moses, a fugitive from the Pharaohic laws and a person who had speech impediment could ever be chosen as the Prophet/Messenger who though him emancipated the Children of israel, who fell into slavery from the honored place they occupied in Egypt during the time of Prophet Joseph?

Yes, I do and so do many Christians.

I do not think it is prudent for your soul that you hold such a view.

Unfortunately for you, my God is not a respecter of people. He will choose whom he wishes to do his work. In his eyes we are equal. We are created from the same stock. He didn't create Olabowale with the better stock and the created ~Lady~ with the poorer stock. No we are created equally.
You seem to forget that Muhaaamad raided people. He stole from them their belongings. He married his son's wife.

You have your view and if that satisfies your soul, I can not change it. Afterall, only God has power the affairs of all men. And since you continue to ask for a proof, then the better issue is what is it that confuses you in the Q.your'an? Is the reading of it not itself telling you who the Speaker is?

It is. It tells me that it is whomever wrote it.

Did you see Forrest Gump the movie tell a story at the bus stop? Was he not the speaker throughout while asking his audiences to relive the events with him? Now that is the style of the Qu.r'anic writing. When your heart is ready to receive truth, we will discuss any issue you may have about the Q.your'an.

Yes I did and this is a poor contrast. Forrest never spoke of himself in the third person. He never said " Well Forrest ran and ran and ran," he said "I ran and ran and ran"

Can you proof to me where Jesus called himself more than a prophet, a son of man? Did he preached his ministry beyond the boundary of Israel, people of Israel? Did his primary disciple preached to anybody outside the Children of israel, even after he, Jesus was raised to heavens by God Almighty?

I asked for answers to my questions, but since you decided to post your questions, I shall answer you.

Yes Jesus did call himself more than a prophet, and Son of Man. Please note that when he even called himself the Son of Man, he exalted himself.

Luke 22: 66-71
66 WHen day came the council of elders of the people met, both chief priests and scribes, and they brought him before their Sanhedrin
67 They said, "If you are the Messiah, tell us," but he replied to them, "If I tell you, you will not believe,
68 and if I question you, you will not respond.
69 But from this time on the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the power of God."
70 They all asked, "Are you then the Son of God?" He replied to them, "You say that I am."
71 Then they said "what further need have we for testimony? We have heard it from his own mouth."

These verses show him calling himself the Son of God and he lets us know that there is no difference between the Son of Man and the Son of God. It is the same person, Jesus. They will also answer your question as to whether or not Jesus was sent to Isreal or the world.
Pay close attention.

John 3:12 - 18

12 If I tell you about earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you about heavenly things?
13 No one has gone up to heaven except the one who has come down from heaven, the Son of Man.
14 And just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert, so must the Son of Man be lifted up
15 so that everyone who believe in him may have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life.
17 For God did not send his Son into the worl to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved though him.
18 Whoever believes in him will not be condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

John 5: 25-27

25 Amen, Amen, I say to you, the hour is coming and is now here when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
26 For just as the Father has life in himself, so also he gave to his Son the possession of life in himself
27 And he gave him power to exercise judgment, because he is the Son of Man.

John 10: 36
Can you say that the one whom the Father has consecrated and sent into the world blasphemes because I said, 'I am the Son of God'"

There's more if you would like. Just so you know, all these are the words of Jesus, the Messiah, the Christ.
Go learn what Messiah and Christ mean. Like I said Muhaaamad was confused. He did not understand the scriptures when he heard them.

Did his primary disciple preached to anybody outside the Children of israel, even after he, Jesus was raised to heavens by God Almighty?

You should always be careful what you asked for.

Acts 8:26-37
26 Then the angel of the Lord spoke to Philip. "Get up and head south on the road that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza, the desert route
27 So he got up and set out. Now there was an Ethiopian eunuch, a court official of the candace, that is, the queesn of the Ethiopians, in charge of her entire treasury, who had come to Jerusalem to worship.
28 and was returning home. Seated in his chariot he was reading the prophet Isaiah.
29 The Spirit said to Philip, "Go and join up with that chariot."
30 Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and said. " Do you understand what you are reading?"
31 He replied, "How can I, unless someone instructs me?" So he invited Philip to get in and sit with him.
32 This was the scripture passage he was reading:
Like a sheep he was led to the slaughter, and like a lamb before its shearer is silent, so he opened not his mouth.
33 In his humiliation justice was denied him. Who will tell of his posterity? For his life is taken from the earth."
34 Then the eunuch said to Philip in reply, "I beg you, about whom is the prophet saying this. About himself, or about someone else?"
35 The Philip opened his mouth and, beginning with this scripture passage, he proclaimed Jesus to him.
36 As they travelded along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, "Look, there is water. What is to prevent me from being baptized?"
37 Then he ordered the chariot to stop, and Philip and the eunuch both went down into the water, and he baptized him.

Just to let you know, Philip was one of the original disciples.

Your points are well taking. However they are pointers to what I have said about you: You are not ready to accept any guidance, right now.

How can it be pointers to me not being able to accept guidance when it shows I am not naive. I won't just believe anything that someone says. Why? Because I have also seen the work of the devil from my family members. People that I loved and were dear to my heart, people that I celebrated birthdays with and allowed to cook for me. Then I come to find out that they were so good to me so that they could get close to me to kill me. A man I called my father tried many times to take my life, and you expect me to be naive.
I have studied the Qu'ran, this you definitely can attest to. If anyone on this board can attest to it, it's you. After careful and unbiased study, I asked questions and have received no reasonable answers. The answers I receive from you (my guide) is that the Torah and Bible are false. I don't have you telling me the truth, only trying to prove that something else isn't true. I keep telling you that the only way Muhaaamad could claim that he was speaking the truth was to proclaim the other book as corrupted. Therefore placing doubt. I need more than just the other books are corrupted. I gave you an opportunity to prove the Qu'ran to me and all you could do was attack the Bible, and then say that what the Qu'ran says is true. It goes to show insecurity in the Qu'ran.

There are proofs that he went to heaven asnd came back. The very apparant one was his accurate descriptions of the ruin of the place called Masjid Aqsa (The Jewish/Christian temple mount site). Other were the "signs" of his encounter with the caravan returning to Makka;

He was surrounded by Christian nations, did it ever occur to you that he'd been there before and then gave a description of it? He already heard the scriptures. You see why I refuse to be naive?

He took a sip of water from one of their drinking water skin/bottle/bag. As you will expect in the desert, the traveller will know the slightest change in water amount, in his bottle. He also yell to them, whereby they heard his voice, a voice telling them where their good ladden camel would be found.

Noticing a slight change in water amount in a water bottle doesn't remotely tell that someone was in the sky. It tells that someone was in the area. If I take a sip from your water bottle without you looking does that mean that I was travelling in the sky?

You see the animal sensed the presence of the prophet in the sky, on his return to Makka. The camel became agitated and escape from where it was loosely tied

You know when I went to Atlanta two weekends ago, I stayed in my Aunt's house and she has a dog named Daisy, when I came around Daisy ran away, that must make me a prophet huh?

The prophet called out to these caravan men to alert them of their camel

I told my little cousin to go get Daisy. That's how she knew that Daisy ran away.

The prophet was also able to tell the Makkans, in Makka of the travellers position on this particular night. In the final analysis the makkans in Makka and the travellers were able to corroborate this events between them and the prophet (as). My dear, your refusal to accept it, does not nullify it a bit.

I am able to tell you this story, and you can call my aunt's house and speak to my cousin and she can corrrborate this event between myself, her, and the dog.

I don't refuse to accept it. I'm sure it happened, I just see past it that's all.

Please man do better than this.

Give me a prophesy from the Bible, and I will give you a prophesy from the Qur'a.n that you never will find in the Bible.

Deuteronomy 18:15
"A prophet like unto me will the Lord, your God, raise up for you from among your own kinsmen; to him you shall listen.

(By Moses)

Daniel 9: 24-26
24 "Seventy 'sevens' are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy.

25 "Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.' It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble.

26 After the sixty-two 'sevens,' the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.

(By Daniel)

Isaiah 7:14

Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel

Isaiah 9:6-7

6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this.

Isaiah 40:1-5,9

1 Comfort, comfort my people, says your God.

2 Speak tenderly to Jerusalem, and proclaim to her that her hard service has been completed, that her sin has been paid for, that she has received from the LORD's hand double for all her sins.

3 A voice of one calling: "In the desert prepare the way for the LORD; make straight in the wilderness a highway for our God.

4 Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the rough ground shall become level, the rugged places a plain.

5 And the glory of the LORD will be revealed, and all mankind together will see it. For the mouth of the LORD has spoken."

9 . . . say to the towns of Judah, "Here is your God!"

Isaiah 35:4-6

4 say to those with fearful hearts, "Be strong, do not fear; your God will come, he will come with vengeance; with divine retribution he will come to save you."

5 Then will the eyes of the blind be opened and the ears of the deaf unstopped.

6 Then will the lame leap like a deer, and the mute tongue shout for joy. Water will gush forth in the wilderness and streams in the desert

Isaiah 49:6

"It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring my salvation to the ends of the earth."

I offered my back to those who beat me, my cheeks to those who pulled out my beard; I did not hide my face from mocking and spitting.

1 Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?

2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

3 He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not

Isaiah 53:4-6

4 Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted.

5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.

6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Isaiah 53:7

He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.

Isaiah 61:1-2

1 The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners,

2 to proclaim the year of the LORD's favor and the day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all who mourn,

(By Isaiah)

Genesis 49:10

"The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs and the obedience of the nations is his."

(By Jacob)

Jeremiah 23:5

"The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land.

Jeremiah 31:35-36

35 This is what the LORD says, he who appoints the sun to shine by day, who decrees the moon and stars to shine by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar-- the LORD Almighty is his name:

36 "Only if these decrees vanish from my sight," declares the LORD, "will the descendants of Israel ever cease to be a nation before me."


(By Jeremiah)

Micah 5:1-2

1 Marshal your troops, O city of troops, for a siege is laid against us. They will strike Israel's ruler on the cheek with a rod.

2 "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times."

(By Micah)

Zechariah 11:12-13

12 I told them, "If you think it best, give me my pay; but if not, keep it." So they paid me thirty pieces of silver.

13 And the LORD said to me, "Throw it to the potter"-the handsome price at which they priced me! So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the LORD to the potter.

Zechariah 12:10

"And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

(By Zechariah)

Well I really just wanted to show the prophecies that have the same thing in common, Jesus Christ. Now let me see the prophecies that the prophets prophecied, not including Muhammad. Just understand that I could care less if it wasn't in the Bible, I just want to know what the Prophets Prophecied.

is God Almighty to Mu.h.ammad through Angel Gabreil.

This is really hilarious. When we say that the writers in the Bible wrote down what was revealed 0r inspired to them through the Spirit of God, you say that they are false, yet you expect us to hold what was revealed to Muhaamad by an Angel to be true.
Double standard dear.

Then to simply not have "Say," which seems to be your indicator for the speech of God in the Qu.r'an, in every verse that may connote instruction, is just a weak process of argument.

Having the word "say" in there wasn't even my point. I was just stating my belief. It is still my belief that Muhaamad came up with the Qu'ran on his own.

By the way there is no such thing as the Muhammadanizm or Muhammadeans.

What in the world is Muhaamadanizm or Muhammadeans?
Where did this come into the discussion?
Who mentioned this? I know I didn't and I don't know where you made that up from.

Why are all the christians' questions so mundane and superfluxly generic? LOL.

My questions aren't. But you still give me the generic answers, guess the joke is on you. I ask you for A and you give me B. Funny enough B is the answer I received from another muuuslim for a completely different and unrelated question I posed to you.

I wonder if you have any better issue than just repeating what the pastor/minister/ priest say? Any originality? I am sure you will give it original spin. I miss you. Do you miss me, too. We got to talk, soon. When you are free.

Okay this a complete insult to me and I would just like you to know that I resent this statement, especially since the questions I am coming up with are completely my own and I am giving you my answers based on the questions that you ask. The content in the Bible will be the same, and if you've asked someone these questions before and they've given you the answer and I attest to it, well then that shows that it is true. But I really doubt that the answers you have received from me are the same answers that any priest has given you seeing that I am typing to you from my computer at work an don't have a priest nearby and I always carry my Bible with me and I open my Bible and give you a direct answer from me and my Bible.
I give you examples that are completely my own, especially since they mostly are derived from incidents in my life. I just hope no other person is living my life out there, then that may be where your confusion is coming from.
But the situation is different for you because you don't give me an answer to a question I ask instead you shift it and make it something else or you give me an answer that has absolutely nothing to do with my question, or I receive an answer from you that someone has given me in the exact same words sometimes fro another completely different question. Don't make for a minute the mistake that you are the only muuuslim I know. I have a Christian uncle that converted to Christianity when he was a full grown adult. He is about your age too. He laughs when I tell him of my discussions. He assures me to hang on to Christianity for it is the only true path.

The world does not need Massiah. An overall prophet/Messenger is what God provided. The children of Israel on the other hand needed a Massiah. They were stubborn and very unyielding. Does this answer your question, woman.

No it doesn't. The question I asked was if Jesus or Muhaaamad was the messiah, not if a messiah was needed.
You see, perfect example of you deviating from my question.

I asked Frizy for a reason, and brother is ignoring me for a reason. He knows why I am asking him that question and I would like it if I get an answer (sensible, and on topic) from him.















Have a great weekend.

i think the noble laureate should shut his trap, if he was made president i don't think he would be able to do any better than yar'adua. truthfully the critics should allow d man do his job, he didnt create the non-sense in nigeria so he wont end it in a year. we thank God that we are not like Zimbambwe who has had a president for donkey years and he still wants to remain in power.

I have to agree with you, except I see the Zimbabwe issue as irrelevant to the discussion.
People say that things haven't been done at all, well I keep wondering what we've been discussing all along.
Anyway, I don't expect the whole country to be fixed in one year, and I do have to commend Yar'Adua on laying foundations for a more "solid tomorrow" rather than giving us a temporary solution that will take us 360 degrees.
For those that think that problems in a country can be solved that quickly are quite naive. Problems in a company can't be solved that quickly, how can u expect that from a country.
Not just any country, but the Country Nigeria where even the citizens that are screaming "Rule of Law" and "Change" don't have respect for the Rule of law themselves and are not willing to start working with themselves to achieve the change. Yeah the government has failed us, but we have also failed ourselves. I dare one person who resides in Nigeria or any outside of Nigeria that have visited to speak up and say that they NEVER, in any situation no matter how small the capacity, had a disregard for the Rule of law. Anyone who has NEVER had an operation that is not lawful in any way or thought to themselves "This is the only way to yield the result" in any situation, I want you to speak up.
We do it even in the market.

We disregard the Rule of Law and expect the crooks to uphold it?

You guys are jumping on Yar'Adua when you know how hard it is to deal with Nigerians, The British Airways incident is a perfect example. Everyone is looking for that respect without even earning it.
The man is making changes as to the people in his administration. He has learned his mistake and is making changes. I do applaud him for not succumbing to the idea that people have that he is too slow. He has a direction and knows what he needs to do, but what Nigerians forget is that there are Nigerians who are trying to frustrate any good efforts. The man needs to stay alive to be able to help us. He is being cautious and he knows how vocal Nigerians are especially when it comes to cursing people.
He doesn't want to be cursed when he leaves the seat. All the blame is put on him. The man is trying to make sure that he leaves no stone unturned, and we all should respect that. Nigeria has been diminshing for more than 2 decades. One year will not change it.

I would also like it, if people who want to post actually read watch what it is he said.

Sometimes we need to do our own part and be patriotic. We're always comparing ourselves to America abi. Oya here's a comparison. Bush sucks and has led Americans into grave poverty (there's all kinds of robberies and murder taking place, soon we might see yahoozee in the open here o), but if the man is shot they will rally around him and his family and weep for him. Even though he's shown that he doesn't care for the welfare of the people (by allowing contaminated drugs to stay on the shelves and continue to be imported and refusing to let the people know) if anything were to happen to him, they will rally and support him. Why? Because he's an American and he is their leader. But we Nigerians, we'll be the first to shoot Yar'Adua, even though the man didn't lead us to poverty.


I still maintain the stance that patience should be exercised and that WE SHOULD DO OUR OWN PART.

The government cannot create employment when the people are not willing to own businesses.

1 cor 9: 19 - 23

Please don't insinuate that Paul was saying he would steal and lie to win people. That's not what those verses are saying. It is saying that in order to win people you have to understand them. To understand them you have to move with them. Does that mean that you have to lie? Absolutely not. In order to win my muuuslim friend and understand her, I had to be close to her, I had to learn about her beliefs and why she believes what she believes. I never once declared anything under All'ah and I never lied. She knew what I was up to and I was open with it. ut I still took my time to know her and understand her. We went out together and sometimes prayed together. I just let the Holy Spirit work through me.

So don't make any stupid insinuations, thanks.

Isn't gatorade quiet harmful to drink if you are not exercising. I only drink vitamin water after track practice after working out

Absolutely not. It is highly recommended by doctors to their patients. When I had my accident, it was my drink. It helped keep me hydrated.

Gatorade and vitamin water are not energy drinks o.

Peak is lovely.

Better than this stupid water water milk for US.

@~Lady~: Jesus is the messiah of the Children of Israel. Why? First God called him that. This is the most important thing.

This is what Muhaaamad said, not God.

And from all the indications, we see many verses where he, Jesus and his people did not extend and entertain the ministrial responsibility beyond the "Houses of Israel," even when he had the opportunity to do it.

Well then let me point you to this:

"5 So he came to a town in Samaria called Sychar, near the plot of ground Jacob had given to his son Joseph. 6Jacob's well was there, and Jesus, tired as he was from the journey, sat down by the well. It was about the sixth hour.

7 When a Samaritan woman came to draw water, Jesus said to her, "Will you give me a drink?" 8(His disciples had gone into the town to buy food.)

9 The Samaritan woman said to him, "You are a Jew and I am a Samaritan woman. How can you ask me for a drink?" (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.[a])

The Jews went out of their way to avoid Samaria, but here Jesus went into Samaria.
Instead of walking the long way around the region of Samaria as most "upright" Jews would have done, out of an intense dislike of the Samaritans, Jesus elected to journey directly through that very region. He set His face for Sychar, to go where the need was greatest, giving little credence to what the religious leaders required. He preferred to do what God required.

So you see he didn't restrict himself to the "House of Isreal"

We will need to put greater importance on the period of his preaching his gospel over the less idealistic attitude acquired by the christians after his alleged rising up and up to the actual ascension to Heavens.

Why because it will make your argument better? Sorry, but that's not possible. Jesus' ministry came to its fullness when he died and arose, defeating death. When he fulfilled his purpose. This was when all those who were with him, truly came to believe. They had doubts about him up to the point of his crucifixion. "Now the centurion, and those who were with him keeping guard over Jesus, when they saw the earthquake and the things that were happening, became very frightened and said, "Truly this was the Son of God!" Matthew 27: 54.
Like I said Muhaamad could only lay claim to his religion by making others look false. As long as he could place doubt in the hearts of others, they would see what he wants them to see, and that is doubt. That is how the devil works. Muhaamad couldn't come up with truth, but with doubt. If he could make the Christians and Jews look like fraudsters, people would believe his own version to be truth. The mistake he made was not understanding how God works.

I will simply accept that to be named a messiah does not give a greater importance, but just a functional description of his person. Please note that Moses is known as speech of God, Qalimullah and Ibrahiim before him was known as personal friend of God, Kalilullah. But none of these men, Jesus included as Ruuhullah, is dear to the Almighty in ranking of Love to His Abib (beloved) Abibullah and the Abib of all believers, Muha.mm.ad (AS)

According to the Qu'ran that is still false to me. I won't hold these things to be true, no matter how long you say them, until you prove them to be true.

Why haven't I received answers to my question?

Mu.hamm.ad is the only prophet and Messenger, who was allowed to ascend to and beyond the seventh heaven! He ascended to and went beyond the Sidra Mutahana, a place where the tree of the farthest Lote is station; marking as a "Sign" of the end of heavens which is part of what we know as people on earth and the beginning of what we do not know. There, even Angel Gabreil was not permitted. This is the position of M.uha.mm.ad (AS), the one beloved by all believers.

Even the devil can ascend and descend. Stop being gullible man. Just because he did it (if he did it) doesn't mean that he was of God. The devil will go to great lengths to deceive. He will even become your best friend.
Besides all this is because he said it.

I am still waiting on the prophecies from the prophets.

God says:O people of the scripture! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of God anything but the truth. Jesus the son of Mary was no more than a Messenger of God, and His word, which He bestowed unto Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in All'ah and His Messengers. Do not say "three": seize: it wll be better for you: for All'ah is One God: glory be to Himfar exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs whatsoever is in the heavens and earth. And God is sufficient as a Disposer of affairs.
(4:171)

God didn't say this. Muhaamad did. I read the Qu'ran and God isn't saying.

By the way there's no such thing as the Pauline Bible. Why are all the answers so generic?

Did they have a special subject in school called "the answers to the Christians?" Did they make you all memeorise them?
Cause that's what it seems. It is the same answers for everything. Come up with something better.
Stop basing false claims and stop creating doubt. Come up with your own truth.

I am still waiting on my answer brother Frizy. Is Jesus the messiah or is Muhaamad the messiah?

Yet you quickly forget the Christian "turn the other cheek."

How is this any different from what I wrote?

Still neither, how can a man that thinks less of me just because I have more melanin have much meaningful thing to say that I cannot find in someone who does not hate anyone.

If you are Christian, get rid of your hatred for others, it is not the Christ like thing to do. The Christ like thing to do is love those who do not love you. SO yes, I like Ghandhi and I like his quote. Christians can learn from that. It ties into forgiveness.

_{Pay attention to what someone writes before you post too. Make sure if you're trying to counter, you actually counter.}

Did JC know we are all Africans?

tell me the origin of the term Africa and I will let you know

Syrup, thanks for that breakdown.
How can one think only Christians are logical. I have seen many Illogical Christians, infact there are plenty. Most especially those twisting the Word of God to intimidate others.

Imhotep. I agree with you.

One of Ghandhi's famous quotes that I love is "An eye for an ey, makes the world go blind" funny, it ties into the Christians view of forgiveness.

Frizy, I am still waiting on that answer. Is Jesus the Messiah or is Muhaamad the Messiah?

First the Q.your'an did not continue to come after the death of Prophet M.u.hammad (AS). Anything you read in it was sometime before death came to him.

What's the relevance of this in the discussion?

And since you said that prophet M.u.hammad was not there when crucifixion happened, but you forgot that neither did any of the Prophets from the children of Israel was there when the creations of things were happening. Right? But you believed them because they were prophets, right?

Yes I believe them because they were prophets. They were also tried and proven true to be Prophets as God wanted it. In order and with consistency. Muhaaamad does not fit in there. He spoke against what all the prophets spoke. In order to get people to believe him, he claimed that the Isrealites corrupted God's words. If he doesn't lay this claim people will see that he contradicts everything in history.
So will I believe Muhaamad to be a true prophet of God, absolutely not. Why? Because he contradicts everything and his only claim to it, is to shake the faith of others. If he was authentic and had a solid base to his claim, then I would take him more seriously. But all he said was I got a revelation from God and all the things as you know it is not true, and didn't happen that way, but instead this is how it happened. And though all the prophets that I will acknowledge have prophecies, they were all wrong and this is the true prophecy. I hope you see what I am saying. The man had no proof of what he was saying. Yeah it is by faith that we believe, but God made sure he was consistent with his prophets, that is why we can believe them. Muhaaamad does not fit that consistency.
His character doesn't fit it either. His revelations were all too convenient. The muuuuslim man could marry only one wife, but he could do the opposite. It is wrong for a man to marry his relative, but he could do that. It was too convenient. The other prophets lived their life according to the laws that they proclaimed to the people from God. They didn't have exceptions to themselves. Muhaamad did.

You also believed the obliteration or abrogation of the Laws of the Old testament, by the laws of the New Testaments

You really need to know about the old covenant and the new covenant. The old covenant was imperfect and the people knew it, that is why they had anticipation for the new one, unfortunately not all of them recognised it and that's why they're still waiting for it. Does it wipe it all out, absolutely not. But it certainly makes it easier. Rather than being separated from God, they have access to him. Rather than sacrificing bulls and goats (or other animals) for forgiveness of their sins, the lamb was sacrificed on the cross once and for all for their forgiveness.

The Qur'a.n says that no man who is given the office of prophethood, given commandments and wisdom about worship of God, will turn around and tells anyone to worship him instead! The Q.u;r'an makes it very clear and Jesus could never ever would have said it.

This is completely thrown out of the window, because you haven't proven it to be authentic. I can assure you it will never be authentic. Muhaaamad lacked understanding, plain and simple.

You may not praise the Jews with your lips, but your Bible and all the christian leadership praise them.

Is this what you've led yourself to believe? Well The Bible also praised Ishmael, too, so why the fighting. Oh yes that's right, you all actually lack knowledge of the Bible and think that it reduces Ishmael and the Arabs. It doesn't.

But of course the children of ismail were not in question as to the Biblical God's command about ismail's wilding. And we did not see Ismail raised his hand to strike anyone, and no record that anyone ever struck him. If we look at this prophesy from the Bible, we will see that either the Bible writers lied or it is the fallacy of thr Biblical god to actually fulfill His promise. The answer is clear that the writers are at fault here. This is a reoccurring theme throughout the Bible.

Once again, are you trying to convince me of what I am saying or what?

Do you accept them as prophets and you are asking me about their prophesies? The central theme of all phophetic offices is that There is no god to be worshipped except God Almighty. To never associate anything with this glorious God. To know that He created all things, seen and unseen. To know that there is a day of Judgement; paradise as a goodly reward and hellfire a means of punishment. Let me just satisfy you with some of ibrahiim prophesies: All true prophets will come from his loin. That he prophesised that he was slaughtering his son. Do you want me to go through more of them? They are mostly Makkan oriented, as they deal with Hajj, etc. I think you should be satisfied with these, yet its just to whet the appetite for a person who yawn for truth.

What do I need to do to get you to answer my questions. Stop informing me of the hajj, just answer my question. What did they prophecy? They were prophets right? So tell me what they prophecied.

Yes they were all prophets. But they are all in different levels. One erraded the coming of the other? Thats part of the prophethood of Jesus. Muha.mm.ad came to seal off the office of prophethood. Definitely Noah was higher than David. Or Moses is higher than John the Baptist. Jesus was higher than Zachariah.

Hmm, so God is partial.

Even your Bible stated that John claimed that he was not even able tp carry the sandals of Jesus. Remember?

You're posing this question because you believe that Christ is just any other prophet. Sorry but he isn't. He is the Son of God, and yes it is in the Bible, and he said it himself.
So you are correct, however, not in the context in which you use it.

I was making you realise what the Bible said is different from the reality of the relationship. The Bible said Ismail was sent out, abandoned to rot, it seemed. Devoid of his father's love

Have you been reading my post or not? Where did you get the idea that the Bible said that Ishmael was devoid of his father's love. Where did you get the idea that the BIble says that he was abandoned. Seriously, I said that you have a generic answer, and this proves it. Because you have not seen my posts, either you skip them or you just don't understand that THE BIBLE DID NOT SAY THAT ISHMAEL WAS ABANDONED OR DEVOID OF HIS FATHER'S LOVE. Stop making assumptions. I put that in bold, so that you won't skip it this time, hopefully.

If you know all of this above, how then was it made to believe that Sarah truly has a strong say on the outcome of how Hajah and ismail ended up in Makka?

I don't think you understand what I said. Like I said you have generic answers. No matter what I say, you will give me the same answer. Even after everything has changed. For example, if I ask is Bush an idiot? you will answer me with The Bible said that Ishmael was abandoned and devoid of his father's love or Sarah had no control over Abraham, or Abraham as a man wouldn't leave his vibrant concubine for an old wife.
(By the way, don't ever compare yourself or any other regular man to Abraham, thinking that Abraham did anything any man would do. If that is the case then Sarah as his wife had a great influence on him. That throws out your theory of elect. See how you contradict yourself?

How do I win with you, if your stand is " Whatever Olabowale says, I will have a very opposing view about it?"

Sorry that is not my stand. If I am stressing you, pele o. If the Holy Spirit is convicting you and you feel bothered by what I am saying, then thank God.
There are things that you have said, that I have accepted. Not as truth but I accept it because I asked you for an explanation and you gave it, plain and simple.

But in the q.your'a.n we see that he did not take any credit for himself. Is that also a gimmick, for a man who became hungry, homeless, and very poor during prothethood? And none of those calamities ever befell him before he declared his messengership. And through the hatred, the makkans never ceased to call him the trusted one! I am wondering if you have not dug your heels very deep in the ground.

This is why you won't win with me. You're too gullible. Have you ever heard of wolf in sheep's clothing? Because the man was poor he couldn't have done any wrong. You don't understand the devil do you. He will be your best friend to get you on his side. He gains your trust and then your soul. Whatever way possible. How do I know a true Prophet of God? with his values and virtues. Money and all that mean nothing. Muhaamad's character as a man does not prove him to be a Prophet of God. Where are his virtues. Show me that.

And a proof of obedience to god should be discarded, when God said it is a remembrance? And you as a Catholic observe what now: Christmas, a date and event that can not actually be substantiated, except if one were to use the Nordic mindset of festivals in the cold? And you observe Easter, Ascension?

I will have to admit that I am lost here. You quoted yourself and not me. So could you fix that, so I'll know what issue you're addressing. Thanks.

Since we are talking about the wives of the prophets (as), you should not forget that in Surah Azhab, God said to him that even after these marriages, there would not be any more marriages for you. It is as if God said that if all of the women were to die before him, there would not have been any more marriages for him. The wisdom of all of these marriages were to set up legislation of marriages between Mu.sl.lim. Mu.h.amm.ad called Khadijah his wife throughout his lifetime. Even in the presence of a younger and the only virgin that he married. Aisha (RA) knew it. And we see that it was a blessing from God to be counted as a member of his household. Certainly all his wives were members of his household and mothers to all believers!

No we're talking about the revelations of the prophet. I gave an example that's all. Even at that, I thought whatever woman comes up to him and wishes to be his he could have her. Why then the change in revelations? If it were to set up legislation of marriages between Muuuslims, why then didn't Nuhaaamad live up to it. I thought he was the "Number One" Muuuslim?

And I guess when I do talk to you, again, since your word and you are the same thing; being a manifestation of you, then I will expect you to be here in Manhattan

So how come I can't see your word here in Tallahassee, if you and your word are separate?

You cannot see me because my word is a part of me. It is with me and in me. So if I am in Tallahassee, then that is where my word is. If I am in Atlanta, then that is where my word is. You can hear it, but you cannot see it, and I do not possess the power to make it physical, but God does. You just proved my point. Thanks.

Lady, Ebos, Imhotep, Pamperme et al
where u'all at??

I am here. I traveled and have been very busy. Classes have started for me, so that's taking up time.

Hello, everyone. I hope you enjoyed your weekend. God bless you all.

@~Lady~: I draw you to the progenies of Ismail to provr many points; One of them is that even though Ibrahim separated his younger wife and the first son, from the main house, he never at anytime stop being a family to them. How else would you have been able to know the "children and tribes" of Ismail, if he and his mother were abandoned, forever?

One more time, are you trying to convice me of what I believe or not? Show me where it is said in the Bible or that I said it that they were abandoned forever.

Further, if this above did happened, since we see the relics of continued relations between father and son, by the building of the Ka aba in Makka, it would not be impossible that when the dream of slaughter occurred, Ibrahim looked towards the already disposed off son to bear the brunt! I am not saying thats what happened from the Q.your'anic point of view, but using your Bible to suggest that if your Abraham cared less for a child, he would probably opt to slaughter him, if he had a choice. How would he be able to pull it off with a woman who had only a child at old age and was even bold that she forced God to agree with her to the point that Abraham was commanded to send his first son and his younger wife away? He would not have done it if God did not command him to send them away. And God would not have commanded him, except Sarah was unhappy and wished to get rid of mother and child team. (Sincerely, it behoves me to understand why a woman who encouraged her husband to perform adultery will now send the child and mother out of the house. Was this before isaac was born, or while he was still a child that shame was still foreign to him or when? Please thread carefully before you answer. I have a ton of reasons for putting all of this out for your observation).

This right here shows me that you have absolutely no idea what I've been saying. Can someone clarify for him please? Reindeer, Imhotep, please can you guys tell him that the Bible didn't say that Abraham abandoned Ishmael and forgot about him.
Olabowale, your answers are so generic, that no matter the question this the answer you will give.

Q.your'anic point of view, but using your Bible to suggest that if your Abraham cared less for a child, he would probably opt to slaughter him, if he had a choice

You're not using the Bible because the Bible doesn't say that Ishmael was forgotten. The Bible also mentions that Ishmael was taken back to his kinsmen for burial.

You will give me this answer because it is what you were taught. It is generic.

How would he be able to pull it off with a woman who had only a child at old age and was even bold that she forced God to agree with her to the point that Abraham was commanded to send his first son and his younger wife away?

Stop making up things. The Bible doesn't state that God agreed with Sarah. Like I said it was wrong for Sarah to do so, it shows signs of jealousy.

He would not have done it if God did not command him to send them away.

God gave people free will. Abraham was married to Sarah. Did God have to command him to have sexual intercourse with Sarah? How many times did God say "Abraham tonight you can have sex with Sarah" and how many times did he say "Abraham tonight you can't have sex with Sarah?" So did God command Muhaaamad to raid people?

And God would not have commanded him, except Sarah was unhappy and wished to get rid of mother and child team.

So you get the idea.

Sincerely, it behoves me to understand why a woman who encouraged her husband to perform adultery will now send the child and mother out of the house. Was this before isaac was born, or while he was still a child that shame was still foreign to him or when? Please thread carefully before you answer.

I don't seem to understand why she changed her mind, like I said, she's a woman, and women do get jealous.
She sent them away after Isaac was born, she didn't want her child playing with the slave woman's son (sounds like an African woman, lol). These are her words: Drive out that slave and her son! No son of that slave is going to share the inheritance with my son Isaac!

Now does that mean that she did the right thing, absolutely not. God assured Abraham that the Ishmael would be well taken care of. He promised to make of him a great nation. " As for the slave woman, I will make a great nation of him also, since he too is your offspring"
When they got sent away, the boy began to cry, then an angel appeared to Hagar and said "What is the matter, Hagar? Don't be afraid; God has heard the boy's cry in this plight of his. Arise, lift up the boy and hold him by the hand; for I will make of him a great nation." The Bible goes on to say: Then God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water. Se went and filled the skin with water, and then let the boy drink. God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the wilderness and became an expert bowman, with his home in the wilderness of Paran. His mother got a wife for him from the land of Egypt.

I believe this is the well that the muuuslims say still exist today. So you see, there's no conspiracy against Ishmael. He was a man of the wild because he lived in the wilderness and he was a bowman. Why would the Islrealites who want to claim that they're the only blessed one tell of God being with Ishmael?

Would I know more about the beginning of the Binis of Edo state, if I am not a Bini man, and never live there, than a Bini blooded person? Is this possible? Could anybody know the story/history of the arabs, before Ismail's arrival to Makka than a cultural arab?

Yes their brothers, the Isrealites. Here's another one of your contradictions. You're trying to prove to me that Abraham stayed in Ishmael's life, yet you're here trying to show that no one would know better than the Arabs. Well if Abraham stayed in Ishmeal's life, that means that Ishmael wasn't too far away and that Isaac too also stayed in Ishmael's life (a bit), that would mean that they knew about each other. That means that the Isrealites and the Arabs knew well of each other.

Like I said be careful not to contradict yourself.

It is a route that the "Arab" Yemeni's used to take. They used to encamp with there caavan i this place known as Makka, way long before Ibrahiim came along. Anyone who reads the history of Makka will know that the Arabic language, a sematic language was spoken by many people (Yemeni is a group), before Ismail andhis mother settled in Makka. What made Makka a place that could sustain any population is the water well known as Zam Zam.

I thought Ishmael was the father of the Arabs.

Was Oduduwa the father of all the Yorubas? Hardly, because Oduduwas was not the only man that was in the entourage of people that settled in the area and produced the people known as Yorubas. There are many men who have their spouses in this famous group. However, was Oduduwa the main male character or the leadership? Yes.

The Oduduwa was not the father of the Yorubas and neither was Ishmael the father of the Arabs. Pick one. It's either he is or he is not.

You will agree with me that when the place, the kaaba was built by Ibrahim and ismail, there were no idols housed in it. It is a later thing, just like many other things (Trinity).

I'm still thinking Adam built the Kaaba. You have to explain that. Don't skip any of my questions.

And I have never read any where that the jews and or the christians have not used the children of Israel as the chosen people of God, against every other people. So your trying to interprete the bible (I expect you to interprete, anyway), or indoctrinate me on what the bible did not say, especially when what I read is opposite what you are suggesting, will not wash with me.

Well then I would tell you to read the Bible. It is in there. It is through Isaac's bloodline that God was going to fulfill the covenant, that is where the chosen people thing came from. It doesn't mean that God will only find favour in them. In fact in the Covenant God said that they will be enslaved in a land not their own. That is why till today the whole fight is still going on. That is why the State of Isreal did not exist until 1940something. The Isrealites have always been under someone and they always were slaves to some other nation. But it still remained that it is through them that the promise would be fulfilled.

And it is still surprising that a man who was prophesised to be a wild ass of a man, turned out to be blameless according to your reading.

Not according to my reading. Many Christians would tell you the same. I apologise if all your life you were told that Ishmael was a bad man, sorry o. But Christians don't view him that way. Like I said earlier, he settled in the [b]wild[/b]erness. I think that's where the wild thing came from.
But anyway I explained it to you with another example of John the Baptist, who was also a wild ass of a man. You can accept it or not. Christians do.

But you simply forgot that you have used the behaviour of the present day Arabs (don't forget that you reminded me of my dislike of their behaviour), to justify the 'wild ass of a man' label on him

LOL, One that was a joke. Two I wanted you to learn to watch what you say, because I will bring it up to your attention. Look Christians don't view him as evil or crazy as in the definition of wild that you have in your mind. In the Bible he's not the "Go and kill them all" kind of wild man. Sorry but he's not.
Not that much attention is given to him, but that is how it is in the Qu'ran too. Ishmael is definitely bypassed.

I therefore wondered why you think that the Qu.r'a.n reminded Prophet Mu.ha.mmad not to frown? If he was was dishoest, such a simple reminder like that he would never would have let anyone know it. In your New Testament of the Bible, was there not a rebuking of the Children of Israel in a general sense of their evil doing? You do know that some evil are so bad that you can not hide it; such is the Golden calf. If your Bible did not divulge it, the Q.u.r'an does. Finally, on this board, the Christians have never let off reminding us that the Children of Israel are chosen people of God. And by the way, I do not have any hatred for jews persee. So don't read any interpretation to my words. I am not the Bible. Read it exactly as you see it and don't interprete.

So with this here, are you trying to convice me of what I'm saying?

InshaAllah, I am not condemned. I maybe bad, which is a fact, but condemned, thats in Hellfire. My Lord God, Al.la.h Taala is very merciful. I long for His forgiveness, as it is written in the Q.your'a.n.

Good, then stop condemning others, you are not God.

You forgot that there is forgiveness of since. But the greatest sin that must be forgiven before death is idolatry/ multiple head/ multiple persons god worship. This you can not accuse any true m.u.s.lim. If a person in is.l.am does all kinds of evils ad he truly believes in One god and steadfastly observe his prayers, these two and others will gradually get him out of evil deeds and he will seek repentance. And before he dies, his repentance, InshaAllah will be accepted.

Oh so there's excuse for the Muuslims, but not the Jews.
So now which gods are they worshipping?

But a person who does all kind of goods, but worships multiple god head, eg trinity, idolatry, and the disbelieving of the existence of God, such a person, if he does not change and becomes a M.u.s.lim before death will end up in Hellfire. is it clear now?

Other than the musslim part, yes.

The essence of the covenant is to worship One true God. In the way He lays down His worship and not the way we want it. To do good for His pleasure and to fear His Anger, while at the same time longing for his mercy. And a M.us.lim who is not a hypocrite who enters Hellfire, God willing will be removed from it after he has been puritied of his evil deeds which led him into it. Others, Jews, Christians, Idol woshippers and the none believers in God will remain there in the hellfire, forever. This is in the Qu.r'.an.

Lol. That is what the Qu'ran says. Now one more time, don't tell me what the Qu'ran says until you can prove it's authenticity. It is still not authentic.

I wonder if you know what the meaning of the word covenant is. Define covenant.

And the prophesy that the Jews and the Christians, though have the same bible do disagree with each other, is in the Q.u.r'an. And yes it is very clear that you will never agree with each other.

First, the Jews and the Christians DO NOT have the same Bible. Oya define Bible for me. Where did the word come from?
The Jews don't have a Bible.

Second I asked for you to prove something, so where is the proof?

I read the Q'your'an from 1975 all through January, 1998, and it was in English. And I asked myself if i understood anything from these 17 years exercise. The answer was No. I then picked up Q.your'an in Arabic. A language I had no clue about. And god opened my heard and I was able to understand it. And I was a m.us.lim all the while. Turn that around to you who comes from a non mu.sl.im family. Your heart was never in finding the truth, you would have known that Surah fatiha (the opening chapter, speaks about the complete glorification of God, the dependence of Believers in Him, and the wrath of God on the disbelieving Jews and other disbelievers and christians being described as the people who are astray) is a speech by God in a command to seek His favor. You would have seen that the few verses of the folloing chapter speak about believers, disbelievers and hypocrites. If these few verses are not enough to open your hear, then i will continue to pray for your heart to become soft anyhow.

But the Qu'ran in English should contain the essence of the message. It doesn't. Sorry, but it doesn't.
Don't tell me about the darn Surah. If I open a book and it tells me that I am going to die if I don't watch T.V. do you expect me to take it to be true? I hope not.
Prove it. The sayings are not enough for me to just go oh goodness, in Surah fatiha, God says I will die, so I should listen. How do I know that it is truly God.
If you didn't understand then you were not a muuuslim. You can't have a belief in something that you don't understand.

Massiah, is an Arabic spelling

No it's Masih

I am neither a Jew nor a christian, remember?

I don't speak hebrew but I know what the word means. Not a good enough excuse. At least you could on the internet and google it.

Wiped over or covered over from the influence of satan. That means satan will not even tempt him and he will not do any evil

Oh okay. So that's the meaning he gave him.

But of course, the Bible does not have any belief like that. Afterall, he was tempted three times in a row.

And what did he do? Did he fall into sin? No he didn't, why because he is sinless.

And according to your argument with me, on the lust after a woman thing, the lust (a form of temptation) is in itself a sin. Therefore, jesus according to the bible committed three sins of temptaions. Well thats even pale compared to the original sin transferred from father Adam. Lol, and thats according to the Bible! Afterall, all man carries that sin and the nature to sin. Now how do you get yourself from this bind that you find your argument?

Ok now you're making things up. Stop being desperate. So when someone is tempted, it means he sins eh. Oya that means that every time that you were tempted you sinned abi?
Oya tell me the sins Jesus committed in the Bible, make sure you include the woman he lusted for too and when.

From the onset I made it very clear to you that my purpose is to be a factor in opening I.s.lam to you. i do not see my effort just now as a new thing to you. Our friendship is based on helping you see the truth of I.s.l.am. Hopefully, i will find happiness in the mutual friendship between us. i will never claim that its a one directional flow here. But you have never became a m.us.lim before nor come from i.s lamic bloodline. I have a bloodline in Christianity and i know enough about it to actually know the truth, which it has none in it. The core of truth is absolute. And absolute truth is God is one and should be worshipped as such, in the way he prescribes.

You haven't done anything but try to shake my faith in Christianity. The information I know about Islaaam is from my research and readings. I ask you questions and you counter it by trying to show me that Christianity is lying. Instead of just saying what it is, you verge into showing Christianity as false to me. You don't come from a Christian bloodline. Your father was a muuuslim and the closest you came to Christianity was your mother who didn't believe that Christ is God. That is the core of Christianity. If she never believed that, she was never a Christian. You tell me you've read the Bible, but from what you've told me, it shows that you haven't. You've picked which Bible verse you want to use to prove your argument, but when I mention one to you, you haven't heard of it. That means you don't know the Bible.
If you did, you would know that Ishmael was never forgotten.

You justified that God is capable of doing anything as if in that state He does not restrict for himself somethings. Then all of a sudden, you said that god is incapable of lying, which would contradict His initially capability of doing all things. Lies are things that immorals. And the actual judge of morality is God. If it was the rules that lies were the true truth all along, you and me as people who follow the rules will have to accept it as the truth. Let me make it clear to you, if homosexual was not agreed to be sexually wrong (living a lie against the norm), then heterosexual people will be the ones who are wrong. That will be according to the fact that the homosexuals considered themselves to be morally correct.

So how is sending his Son to walk the earth Immoral?

There are things that god will not do; like eating (and Jesus ate a sign that he was not God, but an ordinary human being), sleep (Jesus slept and slumbered while at it on the vessel. It was in that slumber that they woke him up because his companions, people of little faith, thought their boat was going to perish). Look i can give you a trillion examplesof the things that jesus did that disqualifies him from ever being a god. All of those things God do not do. God does not pray for example, except that He accepts prayers which He commanded people to make.

What part of God brought himself to live with man, so that he could show man the way, do you not understand?
We know Jesus was a man, but we also know that while he was in the flesh, he was trully God. That is why he is sinless.

And to be the word of God does not mean that you become God, rather but His spoken command, a speech. And the speech and command of God is always true, must come to pass. And the spirit of God does not mean that one takes the spirit of God. And then becomes God. Did the bible not say that God breath His spirit into Adam? Was Adam God? The spirit of god is an instrument of God which He uses to effectuate whatever he wishes to effectuate using the spirit. it is a separate thing from God, and it is nothing but an instrument. Let me make it easier for you: A King is different from his crown, his staff, his throne. Each of those things are instrumentsthat can effectuate the will of the king on the subjects. If a messenger delivers a message with the staff in his hand to the highest chief, even though the king is not present, the chief knows that the king was actually the one talking to him! Everyone of us is a spirit of God, His word. If God did not allow my becoming a person, the sexual intercourse, if it would even happen, will just to be part of a usual mutual enjoyment between a husband and a wife. Afterall, not all sexual intercourse result in pregnancy. And if He did not allow my soul to fuse with my flesh, bone and blood, there would not have been anything about me. We see that people experience still birth.

Well I addressed the word issue with Frizzy, so let me address the Spirit issue.

So my spirit is now a separate entity from me and now my instrument. Is that what you're saying.
How can Olabowale be ~Lady~'s Spirit? Simple, ~Lady~'s Spirit is separate from ~Lady~.

Don't use seen things as an example for the unseen. Scepter, crown,and such are seen things. They are not of the spiritual. Give me a spiritual example and I will pay attention to it. When you speak do your words show up physically? What about your spirit, is it physical? Stop using physical man made things to explain the spiritual.

Honestly you're getting closer and closer to understanding the Trinity.

Am laughing at your inference that refuting that Jesus was God is a misunderstanding or a mistake. How do you justify the quality of human Jesus can be imposed on The One True Creator? What did Jesus create, separate and apart from what has been around before him? Jesus did not even know the end of time. Jesus did not know the season of the fruiting of Figs just because he was hungry from his fast! Jesus did not have any power to stop the satan from tempting him. Jesus did not even have the power to stop people from arresting him, even though as he prayed against it. Jesus did not even have the power that all his prayers be accepted. Jesus did not even have the power to stop his own execution, which from all observations, he wanted no part of it. He was not a willing participant. My darling, I am only using your Bible to point out what you are not seeing. I have to stop here before somebody is tagging with a nasty identity

When I say that you should know what is in the Bible, I mean it. If you read the Bible you will see that you sound just like the Roman soldiers and the Jews who said to Jesus while he was on the cross that if he was truly God why can't he come down from the cross "" You who are going to destroy the temple and rebuild it in three days, save Yourself! If You are the Son of God, come down from the cross." Matthew 27:40.
Asking me these questions leads me to know that you truly lack understanding of the Bible and that you haven't read it. When he prayed he asked for God's will. I told you that before, stop sticking to the generic questions that muuslims ask. Ask me questions that haven't already been answered. Ask me questions from this discussion. I ask you questions that I want to ask, not what many Christians have been asking.
He had to be executed, that is why he didn't stop it. Just because I have the power to do something doesn't mean that I will do it. We all have the power to stop injustice but we don't.

What did Jesus create, separate and apart from what has been around before him?

If Jesus is the word of God, answer me this, which one existed first, God or his word?

Jesus did not even know the end of time

He did, he told about it. Muhaaamad just coulddn't understand how it is a man who walked the earth could know the future. Sorry he lacked the understanding.

Jesus did not know the season of the fruiting of Figs just because he was hungry from his fast! Jesus did not have any power to stop the satan from tempting him.

Hebrews 2:14, 17-18

14 Now since the children share in blood and flesh, he likewise shared in them, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is , the devil.
17 Therefore, he had to become like his brothers in every way, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest before God to exiate the sins of the people.
18 Because he himself was tested through what he suffered, he is able to help those who are being tested.

Jesus did not even have the power to stop people from arresting him, even though as he prayed against it

He did no such thing. I thought I already explained the prayer issue to you. He asked for God's will to be done. So, God's will was done.

Jesus did not even have the power that all his prayers be accepted

They were, God's will was done.

Jesus did not even have the power to stop his own execution, which from all observations, he wanted no part of it

What observations? Your eye to find what pleases your belief?
He wanted every part of it. Especially when he prayed for God's will to be done. If he didn't, he would have fought. HE didn't. What man gets arrested and doesn't fight if he doesn't want a part of it?

My darling, I am only using your Bible to point out what you are not seeing.

Until you know what's in the Bible, stop claiming that you do.
I've already shown you that you have assumptions and not what's in the Bible.






























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You see when we say you're ignorant, you take offense. The "word" God described according to the Ko'ran is when He says: "Be-and it is".
This explains God plans can't be frustrated if He commands something, it must be done.This is not like your bible that says: In the beginning was God and the Word was God. Get it!

The "word" that most deluded fellows call God is actually meant to be said" In the beginning was God and the Word was God's"

Well thank goodness I know am not ignorant.

The Bible says: IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. Get it right.

So there's a separation between a man and his word. That's it I am no longer taking the words of Frizzy to be true. Frizzy is not his word, his word is completely something different. So I guess that means that I shouldn't take it that you believe in the Qu'ran even though you've said it many times, because you are not your word.

Thank goodness I am my word and can definitely be trusted.

Now if you will please address the Spirit issue. I didn't only ask about the word. Thanks.

where is the "Good News" of Jesus?

what is the Gospel of the Kingdom of God Jesus preach?


and were is the 2000 Gospel of the Saint?

waiting for my inquiry.

When I write these words, do they look backwards or upside down?

There are many threads about this issue, look it up man and stop being lazy.

I know I answered this question already, because I remember you asking it, so go fetch it.