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hmmm, so when will it change?
Just because it's done doesn't meant it's right.

To answer the question about Naija, well isn't it about time.
If the citizens REALLY decide to demand their rights, things can change.
Change didn't come in America by them sitting and accepting things or by complaining and doing nothing.

The Roman catholic church was responsible for the crusade which caused the deaths of millions of people, innocent, infants, able bodied you name it,.

Have you really researched the crusades and the cause of it?

When you do, you will find out that you will respond the same way even today, so get to researching.


What is up with so called scholars who don't know that they need to check the sources of their information? A scholar shouldn't be biased. A scholar shouldn't already have a preconcieved notion.


@Imhotep

Don't mind them. They're searching for interpretations from us. If our interpretations are wrong which one should we accept, that of thousand of pastors that interpret everything differently? Seriously they don't see the confusion.
Then they claim that they're doing it for themselves and don't need to go to church, when that in itself is wrong. They need to check their incomplete Bible.

I really feel sorry for them, they have no idea what they're missing from their Bible.

"The Catholic Bible doesn't have additions, the protestant Bible has subtractions."

ok so you want us to answer what questions?

No. I too am not afraid. Infact I prepare myself today so as to not be attached to this world so that when it's my time, I won't be afraid. I'm also the type of person who accepts things as they come and not stress about it. If it's meant to happen, it will happen, if not it won't happen.

I guess facing death this february doesn't help either, lol.

Well not to sound nonchalant, but after what happened, I realise that I stress myself almost to death all the time for irrelevant things.
What matters at the end is my legacy (good) left on earth and that I am going to meet my maker.

It's funny as an activity during training for my job, we had to give eulogies for ourselves.
They didn't tell us that we'll be giving the eulogy for ourselves, we were just told we'll be giving a eulogy and they'd lift the casket and whoever we see in there is the person we're giving the euology for. Well it was my turn and in it was a mirror, so I saw myself and I had to give my eulogy. That made me examine my life and reset it on the proper course.

So am I afraid to die? Ofcourse not. It's something that is bound to happen and this life is just a passageway to the next (eternal life with my creator).

Well in order to answer your question, we have to define flirt. Webster's dictionary lists it below as:

to court triflingly or act amorously without serious intentions; play at love; coquet.
2. to trifle or toy, as with an idea: She flirted with the notion of buying a sports car.
3. to move with a jerk or jerks; dart about: butterflies flirting from flower to flower.
–verb (used with object) 4. to give a sudden or brisk motion to; wave smartly, as a fan.
5. to throw or propel with a toss or jerk; fling suddenly.
–noun 6. Also, flirter. a person who is given to flirting.
7. a quick throw or toss; sudden jerk or darting motion

Well that gives us an answer and the answer is yes. Don't take it past what it is.

My dear, this has never been proven before that a woman of 50yrs and above are more sexually active than a man.
Ahhhhhh, my sister when you that age, abeg nor try am o !

Actually it HAS BEEN PROVEN, there's been research done about it, like I said, get on your computer and do some research on the issue

Lol Lady, how are you going to do that unless you don't intend on working yourself?

That's why I said lunch. There are 24 hours in a day and 9 of those are used for work, 1 of those is for lunch. I hope you get my breakdown.

what i meant by bondage is, going out on dates as to stop,they are some things u will be doing and not doing, i did not use d word bondage as in a real bad bondage,what i simply meant that everything one does has to be limited, u have to watch d friends u move with, u can't even go out wt a man on a friendly date again,y is because u now belong to one person,honestly marriage is d sweetest thing anybody can experience,like i said its can be a sweet bondage,if only you're wt d right person

Who said that a married couple can't go out on dates. You can do all that you were doing before and even more, just with the same person. There's no limitation in marriage, except all u do, u do with the same person. That is actually safer (for those who don't cheat). You can have sex anyhow, anytime you like and not risk being looked at funny or risk contracting an STD (for those who don't cheat). Being married means more fun because you can definitely throw caution to the wind. You don't have to have restrictions. All the fantasies you've had u can actually make them come true.

I can't wait to get married. A fantasy of mine is to go to my husband's office everyday for lunch
I dare someone to look at me with corner corner eye, they will answer me if it's their hudband or mine.

who is talking of a man here ?   A man can stay as long as 100yrs and will still be sexually active and still have children. But will it be good for a man of that age to be paying school fees when he is suppose to be reaping the fruit of his retirement ? Am sure a woman can and will never be that sexually active at half of that age .
So if you see a man of 40yrs unmarried , then there is definately something wrong somewhere

I'm sorry sir but u sound really sexist here. Who told you that women can't be sexually active when they get older. Just so you know the older women get the more active they become. Get rid of that age old mentality, it doesn't compliment you. Get on your computer and research about the sexual activity of women and you will find out that we get more sexually active than men.
As we get older it gets harder to have children and for us at a young age that seems to be the barrier for us to be more open to sex. At younger ages we have a higher chance of getting pregnant therefore we limit our sexual activity. When we get older it becomes harder to have children therefore the barrier is gone and we are more likely to throw caution to the wind. So recant your statement quick.

@topic
There shouldn't be an age limit. So if 25 comes and goes life doesn't continue? So the woman should kill herself now that the limit has come and gone? NONSENSE.
Marriage shouldn't be rushed into, it's something that should be enjoyed. How can you enjoy it when you did not take your time to look around and get to know your partner? You'll be married and unhappy, what's the fun in that.

ABEG TAKE YOUR TIME, AFTER 25 OR 35, THERE'S STILL LIFE.

send a message to her without being rude.

Then this thread will not go pass just a page!

I feared that.

in 35 governors . . .34 are corrupt . . .lets face the truth. . . don't be deceived by all that yada yada.

Do you have a backing for this or are you just going about it because of hatred and animosity towards the government?

Fashola
Gbenga
Saraki

Positive or negative. Please explain your reasons. Show (give examples) what they've done to be labeled good or bad, not just insinuations, please. Thanks

@Witness

It's already been done, but seeing that we are unequally yoked you don't see it. Trust me you won't hit a nerve no matter how hard you try. You're in cyberspace and are just entertainment for me. I'm not going to burst a vein for someone I don't even know.

Like I said, it's already been proven to be a lie, but you keep thinking that your interpretation is the best, that's fine with me. Keep doing you. The Catholic church stands firmly on the Word of God.
Unless I open my mouth to satisfy your belief u won't let me or other catholics be, but that won't be the case so go and bother others. Thank you.

WHAT??

When he said I do, he didn't realise who he was marrying?
He can go ahead and cheat and give the woman some grounds for divorce, both spiritually and physically.
But he dare not touch her so as to not pass on a disease to the poor woman. Let God bless her as he wants to do and deliver from the hands of this man.

He should go, but keep in mind the grass in not greener on the other side. He will surely regret. He will reap what he sows?

My greatest problem is that if the white man never come to the shores of Africa. . .what will they be reading and preaching?

Actually christianity already existed in the eastern part of Africa and was spreading also. But that's another conversation on another section.

Just that the same BAgains that look down on prostitutes and such for doing the kind of acts that they do, they refuse to believe their husbands WANT these things. Their husbands are the one patronizing people

I mean they are the ones who yell that "feminist" and "mordern women" don't want to do anything for their husbands, blah blah. The Bible does say women should "submit" and give themselves fiully? So what exactly is the problem? They should "sub mit" their mouth naa abi?
I mean it's one thing if they are against it in regards to boyfriend/girlfriend relationship but I'd think in marriage all those restrictions would be lessened or am I crazy?

You're right. What I find amusing is where born again christians think that in order for life to happen it must actually state that "Life has begun" in the Bible. We know it doesn't even state that, I wonder how they know that life has begun .

Anyway to the topic at hand. I am unmarried so I can't say too much on the matter, but I have thought about it as I expect to be walking down that aisle really soon. At this point in my life there are restrictions to things I will do with my boyfriend (I don't like calling him that, he's not a boy, he's a man, women know what I am talking about), but once that status changes to married the sky's the limit as to what we will do in the confinement of our bedroom (or maybe the car).
If you're a married christian, please open up(all pun intended) to your husband. He's your husband, if not him then who. When I say open up, I don't mean just sexually but in other areas of the marriage too. Women don't talk to their husbands, as if the only reason they married is to procreate, it's not o.
There have at it.

@almondjoy
o wow, what a christian couple to try and turn the Bible to their benefit. The Lord is the judge not I.
This is why not just any Tom, Dick, and Emeka can become or should become a leader of a church.

Witness, if you don't have something productive to do with your life, that's your own but please stop spreading lies and stop trying to infecting people with your disease. W

hmmm i know who i like

but i'll never tellllllll

I like this thread. I would like to know too as I also don't reside in Naija currently, but will be returning in a couple of years.
I want the truth o, not your hatred towards the government, thanks. So please only sensible ppl need reply, ese gon.

Ok so let me get this straight, the jews altered the Torah. Hmm nice to know, it's really funny. Just so you know I went and did research about that and the only ones refuting it are the muuuslims. Whereas the muuuuslims and christians refute the Qu'ran.

The Christians knew from remnants of previous revelations that a prophet was going to be raised up, from among the Arabs and that it is always an Angel that brought down revealed messages from God to human prophets; Moses, Jesus and others. What mary saw was a man. She also knew that the man had a very peculiar form. Unusual for ordinary man. But the Angel that appeared to her was not in true Angellic form. True Angellic form will include the wings, and all the heavenly decorations. Only True prophets see them, physically in this form. And the prophet does not have to be asleep, either

So this is the Islaaamic view of it.

All true prophets are men. From the time of Ibrahim, who you will call Abraham and the covenant or the acceptance of his prayer by God, each prophet and messenger has come from his bloodlines; Ismail and Isaac. Then all of the rest up to Jesus are from Isaac blood and the only one outside this bloodline is MuhammadAbdullah who came from the time of bloodline of Ismail. MuhammadAbdullah was the only prophet that came after Jesus was lifted to heaven as well. Not all prophets are messengers, but all messengers are also prophets.

All messengers came with messages, have the core theme that there is no God deserving all worship without any partnershipbut God Almighty, alone. The process of worship is specified and localized. But that of The Great Prophet is universal, being the last of them. The books of revelations were given to the major Messengers; for example Torah or Old testament to Moses, Good News or New testament to Jesus and Qur'"""""an to The Great Prophet.

Signs of prophets is a seal on their backs; a raised flesh between the shoulder blades, but below the shoulder line and above the beginning of th lower back. They all have beard and never clean shaven. They shaved their armpit hair and their private hairs. There dreams are always 100% true and all their prayers were answered. They were handsome people and their faces are faces of kind people. they all have soft hearts. Yet they were firm at the delivery of the messages to the people. Each hada follower(s) and a community to preach to. Each was sent to correct the ways of the waywards and strengthened the belief in One God.

What is the proof of this other than Muha::mmad said so?

Alhamdulillah, we are talking turkey here. Now, are all the bad elements in the world musl""""ims? And are all those bad Mus"""""lims following the commandments in the Qur"""an and the Sunnah? NO. And finally, I see no resemblance of The Great Prophet and true The Great Religion in what you have above. If I did I would have left long time ago. And I would have chased after all the skirts and dresses of the Christian women. But I am grateful to God Almighty for The Great Religion of Mu""""hammad. Aferall, I am today a reserved fella. True Is:::::lam improves lifes.

LOL, Ofcourse not. They're not bad people, but who's to say they're not following a false prophet?
A lot of people will disagree with you on the part about Muha::mmad not resembling what Christ spoke about. Afterall he did do a lot of evil things and went against God's commandment and then there's the part about him changing his mind. It's just not consistent.

Obvious sections; You have versions of the Bible. The catholic Bible is earlier than that of the protestant. But the protestant Bible is missing a few Books in the catholic's Duwey Bible. Isn't it. Further you have editions and revisons abounds. One will ask, where is the original. There must have been an original. That would have contained exactly what jesus said. Without any adulteration.

Now, we have Jesus saying that the scribes have corrupted the OT. So I will just concentrate on the NT. Are the letters written to the church communities from Jesus or from other people, eg Paul and Timothy? Are these statements from Jesus or at best good personal opinions and never revelations from God? What about calling Jesus God, when he himself said "My God my God why has thou forsaken me?" Or the Biblical verse which I presented earlier Mark 12 Verse 29? Please do your own research of the Bible with open and claer mind. Be objective.

But you can still show me. I am a Catholic, so you can use my Bible (not the Douay-Rheims version, don't exactly trust it much)
Where did Jesus say that the scribes corrupted the Old Testament? The letters written to the church communities were written by the Apostles. The statements are from Jesus penned down by the Apostles. In the letters the apostles are carrying out the message of Jesus, so they're not opinions but what he actually told them. Jesus didn't in the literal sense say that he was God, he never denied it either, but he absolutely implied it.

Jesus speaking to the Jews as penned down by his apostle John
John 8: 55-58
56. Abraham you father rejoiced to see my day; he saw it and was glad.
57. So the Jews said to him, "You are not yet fifty years old and you say you have seen Abraham?"
58. Jesus said to them, "Amen, Amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM."

John 10:30-38
30. The Father and I are one
31. The Jews again picked up rocks to stone him
32. Jesus answered them, "I have shown you many good works from my Father. For which of these are you trying to stone me."
33. The Jews answered him, "We are not stoning you for a good work but for blasphemy. You, a man, are making yourself God."
34. Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, 'I said, "You are Gods"'?
35. If it calls them gods to whom the word of God came, and scriture cannot be set aside,
36. can you say that the one whom the Father has consecrated and sent into the world of blasphemes because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?
37. If I do not perform my Father's works, do not believe me;
38. but if I perform them, even if you do not believe me, believe the works, so that you may realise [and understand] that the Father is in me and I am in the Father."

Jesus speaking to his disciples at the last supper
John 14: 6-9
6. Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
7. If you know me, then you will also know my Father. From now on you do know him and have seen him."
8. Philip said to him, "Master, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us."
9. Jesus replied to him, "Have I been with you for so long a time and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father . How then can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
10. Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on my own. The Father who dwells in me is doing his works.
11. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else, believe because of the works themselves.

There are more verses, but I think these are enough, lol, sorry I know it's long, I just want to give you the full picture, I don't like picking and choosing.

This getting it wrong has nothing to do with the prophets. It has a lot to do with what ordinary people do after the prophet left the stage of life, human stage. When Moses was alive, the Torah he had is not what the jews have now. It the Jews had been since and had not done any alteration of the Torah, they would have known about Jesus and followed him as their Messiah. But also the Christians copied the Jews when it came to Muha"""""mmad and the Qur'''an. Fpr example, you have it in your Bible that the comforter is not a human being but a spirit/holy ghost. I ask you, was not the holy ghost there according to the Bible all along? Was the word another comforter not give the idea that there is a present comforter available and later another one will come? Finally, what has the Christian gotten from the contact of the holy spirit who is to abide with them for ever?

My Comforter is here by the pure preservation of the Qu"""""ran and the provision of new information which Jesus never spoke about. For example, how i take shower to purify myself after sexual experience, is taught by Muha"""""mmad and Jesus did not teach it. What about a simple thing as just eating, sneezing, yawning, etc? There is a million, nay a billion or trillion more issues like these.

My darling sister whre are you in America. You can go to any Mosque for a copy of the Qur"""""an. If you let me know how to mail one to you, I will. Further you can google search for a free Qur''''an. Better you can email me your information and I will get you what it supposed to mean in English.

Search the google for tafsir ibn Kathir, Qur'''an. You will get it. And if you want to talk, I will give you my number privately.

Ok I need u to show me historical facts about the Torah being changed. All I keep coming up with are what the muuuslims say. I need another source, to me right now the Qu'ran is not credible.
No the Jews were not supposed to know he's the messiah. This was to be revealed to those who were open to believing the truth. If they were to know there wouldn't have been an opposition. We know that it was in the prophecy that he would be opposed. He was to be crucified, the prophecy wouldn't have come pass if they didn't oppose. If they knew they wouldn't oppose.
How did the Christians copied the Jews when it came to Muha::mmad and the Qu'''ran?
Yes the Spirit of God had always been there just like Jesus had always been there, but the people were blind and they had no power (ordination) to them. When the Spirit came upon them on the day of pentecost, it gave the disciples the authority to do as Christ did. To cast out evil and to heal and to spread the Gospel and more.
The christian has gotten a lot from the Spirit. Demons have been cast out (look up exorcism), people have been healed, there is a clear understanding of God and our purpose as humans on this earth. The benefits don't have to be in physical form, don't forget God is not of this world and neither should we be (those who believe in him).
Why should there be a proper way to sneeze or yawn or eat, these are things that are done involuntary by the body just like pumping of blood and breathing or should there be a proper way on that too?
About sex, well good hygiene will tell you to take a shower after. The former prophets never mentioned anything about the proper way to cleanse after sexual experience. Sex isn't wrong in the sight of God unless committed outside of marriage, so I don't see why this speacial cleansing should be done as sex, when done properly, isn't impure.

I am located in Florida, I am studying here. I would absolutely appreciate a copy of the Qu'''ran and the english translations. It is always good to acquire knowledge, that of good and bad so that you can differentiate and do that which is good.
I also suggest you get yourself a copy of the Bible, the Catholic Bible if you please (it's with the complete books). That way we can fully discuss and understand each other better.

If you’re really saved it’s going to be a working kind of salvation that will bear fruit. “…so faith, if it doesn't have works, is dead, because it's alone.” So it’s a dead faith not a living faith. If “a man may say, thou hast faith, and I have works; show me your faith without your works, and I'll show you my faith by my works.”

One kind of faith is the faith that doesn’t have any works and it is dead faith and the other faith is the faith that produces something and its living faith. One saves and one doesn’t. "Oh, I believe, I believe," "Yeah, The devils believe and they tremble."

It’s not enough to believe unless that believing results in an act of commitment to Christ that results in a changed life that bears fruit.

@SysUser

1. Nope i will not leave you catholics alone I consider you to be in the same league with M.u.s.l.i.m.s (does convert from catholism and being excommunicated ring a bell, ). the same thing practised by i.s.l.a.m was practised by catholism in a more covert manner (Jesuits priests).

2. I am not in the business of soothing your conscience or making you feel good and nice about yourself, whether you are angry that i tell you the truth or not is your own perogative,

4. It is my responsibility to expose the lies and make it available for you to read,

5. My statements are not my opinion they are backed up with biblical facts , if it convicts you of your ways , then its doing the job!

Fine whatever makes u feel better or help u sleep at night.

Actually I am not your brother neither am i your brethren,

I do not believe in the idolatory that you do, as a catholic so please refrain from calling me a brother because i am not your brother in faith.

I wouldn't want to consider u one honestly, but seeing that u are God's creation and I am supposed to treat u as I want to be treated then I don't have a choice. Seeing that I am told to love my neighbor as myself, I don't have a choice but to do so. Just to let u know I don't believe in idolatry so don't tell me what I believe in.

Yes you are right , however it is by force to preach the Gospel.
It is by force to make sure that one does good whenever one has the opportunity to do good, nairaland has provided me with the opportunity to do good by bluntly telling you catholics, islamist the blunt truth as to why you are on the part to destruction.

No it is not by force to spread. U are supposed to do so, but it is not by force. Brother don't play God by taking away what God gave to everyone: FREE WILL. It's funny you're attacking the muuuslims yet you're doing what they did, lol. Why would u need to DO good, when salvation is only by faith?

I cannot earn my own salvation by the kind of thing i do , simply because the bible makes it very clear that its not dependent on what i do or do not do, my salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. As such i already know that i am saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, I cannot do anything to secure or safeguard it or gurantee it, since i did not earn it in the first place. Hence i am trying to make other see reason as to they likewise need to come tot he saving grace of Christ.

actually the Bible makes it clear that faith without works is dead.
James 2:14
14. What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?
15. If a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day,
16. and one o fyou says to them "Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well." but you do not give them the necessaities of the body, what good is it?
17. So also faith of itself, if it does not have worls, is dead.
18. Indeed someone might say, "You have fatith and I have works." Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works.
19. You believe that God is one, you do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble.
20. Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless?
21. Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?
22. You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works.
23. Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham beleived in God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." and he was called "the friend of God"
24. See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
25. And in the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by a different route?
26. For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

Faith is Christ is the key to salvation, but how do you show this faith? Is it not through your works? Or do you just sit on a chair and say praise the Lord and by that you are saved? If we all sat in a chair and yelled Praise the Lord without getting out there and praising him by what we do, won't the world be in a worse state than it is now. That's the problem, a lot of us are singing praises while we don't go out there and cloth our brothers. When you clothed a man, you do the same to christ. When you give a man a drink, you do the same to Christ.

1. Yes It is, because the bible tells me so, and not because of what i am trying to do to earn it.

Show me. I want to see where it says the SysUser or whatever your real name is, is written in the book of life. Are you now God?

2. My salvation is not dependent on the good things that i do . (my salvation is not dependent on being pure, not lying, not judging etc)

oh but it is. It's funny. Martin Luther renderd the book of James as less credible just so that he could prove the point that salvation is by faith alone, yet he retained it in the protestant Bible. If it was less credible why not throw it out? He made the Bible into what he believed it should be. That's where the confusion came. You accuse Muha::mmad, look at who you followed, he did the same thing.

3. I have not judged you or m.u.s.l.i.m.s (even you are judging me by saying and concluding that i have judged you or them). Rather i have only exposed their and your belief and brought it under the scrutiny of the bible alone. My conclusion is based on what the bible say and not on what i think, e.g.

How can u expose something you know nothing about?

1. Bible says Jesus Christ is the only and that there is no other way , that automatically means that Mary is not the way, Budda is not the way , Mohammmed is not the way, Church tradition is not the way , Purgatory is not the way , Alllah is not the way

I agree Jesus is the only way. Who told you Mary is the way? Certainly not a Catholic, that's not our belief. Sorry you got it wrong. Who told u purgatory is the way? Certainly not a Catholic. My dear turn to God, he will set you free. I promise.

2. Bible says Jesus is the only Mediator between God and Man, that automatically means the praynig to Mary or praying through Mary is a sin and idolatory,

I think this belief is in your head. Do you want me to call the psychiatrist?

3. Bible says we should test every spirit to find out if it is from God, testing Mohammmed using the bible shows that he is not from God , rather it shows that he is a false prophet.

I actually agree with you on this one, but it won't kill you to show respect to people and stop judging. Oh I've never judged u, me telling you that u have judged me or the muuuslims, is not a judgment, stop crying wolf.

4. Bible says Salvation is by Grace through Faith in Jesus Christ, yet catholism says it also include penance, church traditions, purgatory, i.s.l.a.m does not even know what salvation is!
Now tell me who is lying and who is confused.
The catholic church is not the standard, i.s.l.a.m is not the standard, THE BIBLE IS THE STANDARD, therefore i would bluntly tell it to your face that there is no salvatio of soul in i.s.l.a.m or catholism. By the way take time and go and ask your catholics priest what i have just said, you will realise that they are contradictory to what the bible clearly and explicitly says:

When did Catholics say that it is through penance, church traditions, purgatory? Please show me. My dear I did and nothing was contradtictory.

5. The bible clearly tells me that Jesus Christ does not have a representative on earth , hence it means that the Pope is a mere devilish impostor as far as the bible is concerned. The judge of taeching and inbibing of the spiritual understanding into men is for the Holy Spirit and not for any other man,

Are you sure the Bible tells you that he doesn't have a representative on earth? Show me.
Because I clearly remember him giving Peter the keys to the kingdom. He also said that "You are Peter (Rock) and on this rock I shal bulid my church." I think that just about says it.
There's now a judge of teaching and inbibing?
If your not supposed to have spiritual leaders, then my brother why do you go to church and why do you have a pastor? Or is every man supposed tp take the Bible and interpret it the way he likes. Wouldn't that make every man a pastor and man of God? hahaha see confusion o.

6. My bible does not tell me to confess my sins to priest for them to forgive me , why because , my fellow sinful men cannot forgive me my sins therefore it is unbiblical for a catholic priest to hear confession and forgive people's sins,

Oh but it does. It may not have said the term priest, but it does ask us to confess and it does tell us that Christ gave the power to his disciples and from them to us.

I accept that i might have used some inappropriate words or insultive and taunting words in my presentation. I apologise for that.

Why do you need to apologise when you're doing good?
Brother you have proven yourself false, please stop while you're ahead. There's nothing wrong in having a discussion and there's nothing wrong with differing, but don't force your view or belief on others. And don't be disrespectful in the process too or pass judgment. Christ never did that (except maybe the judgment).

@babs787

hey brother.

Did God give Jesus the book from Matthew to Revelation?
How many Gospels did he give him?
Are letters written by Paul, Luke etc part of he revelation God gave to Jesus?

God did not give the book to Jesus. If you read the books you will see that it is about Jesus written by those who followed him and were charged with spreading the gospel. God inspired these writers and that is why it is the word of God. God doesn't have to appear to a person physically or with angels in order for him to inspire someone. He's God he can make anything happen.

In order for you to understand u have to see that Jesus is God who was in the beginning as he said himself. "Amen, Amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM. There's another passage where he was more direct, I'll have to find it for u.

I should also ask u that question because Muha::mmad wasn't a learned man so people had to write down his sayins.

For where? They can't question it! Their great prophet came last to copy and manipulate the works of the Original.
You have indeed dug out their carcass! Thanks for standing alone with the truth

How about u remove the stick in your eye before you remove that of your brother's?

I JUST WANT US CHRISTIANS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE READY FOR THE SECOND COMING OF THE LORD , SIMPLY BECAUSE GOD PROMISED TO DESTROY THE WORLD DURING THE TIME OF NOAH AND HE KEPT HIS PROMISE. LIKEWISE HE HAS PROMISED TO DESTROY THE WORLD WITH FIRE THIS TIME AND I BELIEVE HE IS GOING TO KEEP HIS PROMISE WHETHER WE ARE READY FOR HIM OR NOT. AS SUCH WE NEED TO KEEP AND MAKE OURSELVES READY SO AS TO AVOID BE PARTAKERS IN THE PUNISHMENT TO COME


The constant barage of insults , persecution and ridicule from SCOFFERS (M.u.slims , Atheist, Evolutionist, Catholics etc) on True Christians who dare to speak the truth against their lies and idolatory is actually nothing new.
Below is what the bible has to say about them,

Brother SysUser. I appreciate your effort of trying to keep christians on their toes, but it's not necessary trying to disgrace others. It is not christlike. Yes tell the truth, but do it without insults and without judgments, because you will sure be judged also.
I am sure you're a matured man and can handle a discussion without calling names. Your words on this forum prove that you are barbaric.
And please stay clear of Catholics, just because you don't understand doesn't mean it's wrong. I am begging you to engage in a discussion in a civilised manner and stop resorting to playground ways. You're not a kid (I hope), so grow up and act like an adult.

Keep in mind that christianity is not by force. Secure your own salvation before you secure others. Are you sure your name is written in the book of life? By the way you pass judgment on others, it may not be. By the way you insult others it may not be. By the way you lie, it may not be.Go and make yourself pure and then you can come and make others pure. Please don't result to hypocrisy, I am sure you are better than that. I pray the holy spirit convict you when you're about to result to doing wrong by your fellow man.

hey i tried replying on the original thread but it won't let me. it says it's locked. that's not fair. why can't people post freely? When muuuslims post about christians it doesn't get deleted or blocked. I understand all the bashing is not necessary, but there are those of us who engage in discussions properly.
Thank you.



@Olabowale

Maybe I should say that I am not satisfied with the response, but will accept them anyway. I do wish others will join in explaining it to me. How can I get a copy of the Qu'ran, so that I may see for myself what is contained in it. I know the internet is full of lies and deceit so to me it isn't credible. Any random Joe can post anything there.

I don't read minds, but am going to sasume that your "go away," means death

LOL, I am so sorry, that is my fault. I wan't clear. I meant why did he go to the cave? I hear it's because he wasn't hapy with the way his people were? Is this true.

I think what I will just tell you is that no ordinary person has ever seen any angel in its true angelic form before. The people who might see them are all prophets of God: eg Moses, Jesus etc. Muha::mmad falls in that category. He reported that he saw Gabreil in its truest angelic form at the time of the first revelation. A christian in his community who knew the signs of prophethood knew he was telling the truth as he related the story to him. As in your case though, you should ask yourself, why should you have beieved that there are angels in the first place? Afterall you have never seen them, but you believe they exist. They are instrument of God. A go between God and mankind. Only prophets can have many contacts with them than any non prophet. Why would you have believed that the Angel appeared to Zachariah to tell him about his son's birth John? With that in mind look at revelation coming to this prophet Mu""hammad for 23 years.

If no ordinary person has seen an angel in it's true angelic form before how then could the christian know he's telling the truth as he related the story, has the christian seen an angel before. Mary was not a prophet yet she saw an angel in true form or did Muhammad say she didn't? So that doesn't mean prophethood. Many people have had encounters with angels, how would u know it's its true form or not. Is there a guideline letting us know that the angel is or isn't in its true form? I haven't seen an agel and neither have I seen Jesus face-to-face, but I do know that they do exist based on history.

Please kindly explain what the signs are of being a prophet.

Wouldn't this have been the same outlook that Noah had? Couldn't you imagine that Moses was the same position? The point is this each of the prophets was the vessel, the path to God at the time of that prophet's messengership/ministry. It is not surprising that Jesus was the same. making this same absolute but relative statement restricted to his time and a variant to time of man, respectively. It could be then understood why Jesus spoke about the "Comforter" in the weaning/withering days of his messengership/ministry. If he was the end link of the prophetic Chain, would he possibly foretell of a coming "Comforter?"

Um what? Why would Noah have this outlook? When did he ever claim that no one goes to the father except through him. Noah had a covenant with God, but it was that the earth won't be flooded again. No where did it say that Noah would be the way to the father. When did Noah prophecy? Moses prophecied about the messiah, why would he think that he's the way to God. He had the laws and he believed those laws were the way to God, he didn't believe that he was the way to the Lord. The only prophecy that was told was that of the messiah "ALL THE PROPHETS" told the same story. I am so confused by this your statement. The conforter isn't a man it's a spirit. Christ said the comforter is a spirit. The spirit is not a prophet, if so then Joseph Smith would be considered the comforter too because he too is a prophet (I will talk about this later).

You are entitled to your opinion. But the same opinion could be absolutely or partially wrong. Opinion could be subjective. I believe that the Jews have the same opinion about Jesus anyway. Thats why they are not spilling over to Christianity. It is my view and it is an obvious fact. However, those who do not believe in the messengership of Jesus will not receive Mercy from Jesus' Creator. The same lack of Mercy will be metered to those who call Jesus God.

You're right, the Jews view Jesus that way. They're still waiting on the messiah. But don't forget that it was also told that many would oppose him. They needed to do that for his crucifixion to happen. Simeon told that to Mary when she presented Jesus to the temple according to Jewish custom.

However, I am curious why you call Jesus prophet and other Christians call him god? Allahu Taala states in the Qur''''an about this horrible statement. He asked if people do not see that Mary, Jesus mother have all the inklings/trappings of human? He said that He God creates however He wills. He gives a similitude of the creation of Jesus as the same as the creation of Adam, that when He decrees a thing, all He says is "Be, and the thing "Becomes"! Interestingly, you should follow the Prophet because you are alive in his ministrial era. When Muhammadbin Abdullah became a prophet, the era of Jesus became faded away. It is the same when Jesus came, the prophetic era of moses began faded.

I don't call Jesus a prophet, notice I put that into parenthesis that was to put an emphasis on ur view of him as a prophet. Jesus is Lord.

Please provide the verse from the Bible which came from Jesus about this? I do not want what is called "6 degrees of Kevin Bacon", providing a murky inference. I want an authentic Jesus statement and direct names of The Great Prophet, or Ahmad, or Mustafa, etc. You know, the Jews by and large think that Jesus was not not even more than a scholar. But is that true? No. It is obvious that he was a prophet, regardless of what the jews think. It is the same with The Great Prophet (AS), regardless what anyone thinks. Their Lord is enough as their Guarantor of their authenticities.

Mathew 7:15-23
15. Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but underneath are ravenous wolves.
16. By their fruits you shall know them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
17. Just so, every good tree bears good fruit, and a rotten tree bears bad fruit.
18. A good tree cannot bear fruit, nor can a rotten tree bear good fruit.
19. Every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire
20. So by their fruits you will know them.
21. Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord', will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only one who does the will of my Father in heaven
22. Many will say to me on tht day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophecy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?'
23. Then I will declare to them solemnly, 'I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers.'

Christ didn't have to say Muha::mmad, he let us know that by their fruits we will know them. By what they produce we will know them

There could be a lot of lies mix with truth, exagerations, embellishments, etc. The Bible seems to contain all of the above. We see that there are verses that could be construed as what God truly said. Others what came from prophets. Others came from others, neither prophets nor God. This is the problems with the Bible.

Please show me. This could also be said of the Qu'ran.

It is from the remnant of truth that God has allowed to remain in the Bible that we say what we say about The Great Prophet in the Bible. Please remember we do not say it, because we are eager to proof it exclusively from the Bible. Understand that Jesus is written as the announcer of the coming of Rasulullah in the Qur""""an. Please read verse 6 of Chapter titled "Those who are set in arrays"; Saffa

So it just so happens that for centuries (I am including the Jews here) that all the prophets had it wrong. Muha::mmad just happens to have it right.

Ok now I definitely know u lack reasoning.

Obviously you read the Qur''an, but you retain Zero information from it! The essence of Makkan revelation, which was 13 years was centered on a singular theme: God is One God, so He is not three in One! Doh. He does not have a son nor parents. In my book you scored Zero. You see how brainiac you are? Not.

Now I see u don't know anything about Christianity that we believe in ONE GOD. Yes We believe that God is in three persons or forms. He is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit. If you're counter is from your holy book, then my dear your point isn't received. Because until one of u can show me the authenticity of the Qu'ran, I can't hold it to be true.

However, in all your bravados, you failed woefully because you can not even know that your God is not anything like you. He will not lower Himself to the level of the human instinctive needs, which no one can do without

I thought this was my message to you. Look how u shoot urself in the foot. U don't hold the capacity to reason like God.
God won't lower himself, but he can lift u up and inspire u and grant u knowledge, wisdom, and understanding (unless u want to claim that God isn't capable of doing so). I'm sorry but God grants me this EVERYDAY.

Your Lord God will not beg, or pray or lament as in crying to any thing. He alone is the Independent One. He alone is the Reality. He alone knows the end of time. You see your shortcomings? Please lets be sincere, you do not know anything about God.

So which of your other personalities came up with this cause I don't see how this comes in to the conversation. And also who said the Christian God cries, beg, lament. You just wanted to sound like u can reason didn't u. I understand u though, we all need to boost ourselves sometimes.

Oh I also want to say that what Witness wrote above is true. I believe Muhammad asked the daughters for favours and then later recanted. Look I just want to know the truth from u guys, ok. I research and there are things I find that make me question Islam. But I know the internet to be full of lies too and false revelations, so can I have the truth please.

Oh and Olabowale, if you come at me with an attack I will chew u raw, so don't try me. Now could u kindly go to the Qu'ran: The book that relates to science and history <----not actual title, but close---thread and answer my questions.

@Uthainah

Hello, I asked some questions above and no one seems to be answering me, could u kindly answer please. Please disregard the attacks by "so-called" Christians.

Hello all, here are some writings on the passing of Mary that I found. Seems interesting, enjoy.

http://www.uoregon.edu/~sshoemak/texts/dormitionG2/dormitionG2.htm

http://www.uoregon.edu/~sshoemak/texts/dormitionL/dormitionL1.htm

http://www.uoregon.edu/~sshoemak/texts/dormitionL/dormitionL3.htm

Come to think of it, the three persons can not be one person! I can't be in Boston, and in New York city and Eko/Ibadon/Ijebu Ode at the same time?

AND THAT IS WHY YOU ARE NOT GOD. LOOK AT YOU USING HUMAN REASONING TO EXPLAIN GOD. DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT WE CANNOT REASON LIKE HIM. I THOUGHT THE QU'RAN TAUGHT THAT.

Stop showing your illiteracy and childlike mind.

WHAT

GOD HELP US. GOD WEED OUT YOUR FALSE PRIESTS/PASTORS.

Ok I want the truth to come out. This man said he didn't. Ok I find it hard to believe him. God help us

@ The Great Ones

I am one who honestly wants to undersand u. As u clearly see, I don't go about bashing any religion.

So if u will please answer for me, how it is Muhammad came about the holy book. Why did he "go away"? How was it revealed to him?
I am a christian and my religion came about years before yours. Why should I believe that the Angel did appear to Muhammad and told him these "truths"? When my "Prophet, Jesus Christ" told me that he is the way and no one goes to the Father (God) except through him. Why then should I follow Muhammad? What makes his story authentic other than the fact that it says so in the Qu'ran (the book is questionable, in my opinion)?
Why shouldn't I believe that Muhammad is a false prophet as prophecied by Jesus? And Finally, please don't take this the wrong way, but I am speaking from my observations, why do Muslims want to justify that Muhammad was prophecied about in the Bible, yet attack the Bible and call it a book of lies? Why would u want to associate Muhammad with the book of lies?

I really hope you will answer my questions with honesty, as I am truly curious.

Catholics don't worship Mother Mary or her image, that is a misconception in the minds of those who don't even take their time to undersand that though she may not be God, but she did play a major role in God's merciful plan for us. If we can honour our mothers why not honour her. As for the rosary prayer, if u really want to know what it is we meditate on u can ask and u shall receive. I don't mind laying it out word for word for u, so just ask and u shall receive.
As for her asking that we pray the rosary prayer, she didn't say that it is by force, she let us know that it is a powerful prayer( which indeed it is) that can help to bring about world peace. If u meditate on it, u'll truly see why it can. Christianity is a way of life, it's not just about going to church and saying by his stripes I have been healed, Amen. You also have to obey his commandments and u do so by applying it to daily life. That is something that the Rosary prayer helps u with. You get to meditate on how Christ lived his life and think about how u can live as he did, today.
I can give u a layout of it all if u want SERIOUSLY

What u seem to be talking about is veneration. Which is honouring. And yes through them we honour God who made them and in whose image they were made. It just like finding beauty in God's creature.

Whatever request they want
to make let them ask in the name that is above every name JESUS.Let them stop this idolatory.

I would really like for u to provide me with a prayer that is said "IN THE NAME OF MARY" or "IN THE NAME OF ST. _____"

ALL PRAYERS END WITH IN THE NAME OF JESUS, INCLUDING THE MARIAN PRAYERS OR IT HAS SOME FORM OF THROUGH CHRIST OUR LORD IN THERE.