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Is supporting his own parents his responsibility?

You should not marry anyone that can not add value to you. If poverty is your only problem then you can't marry a poor person

Thebadpolitican:
This man, you still never comot from Nl,

Yoruba defender

Anyway everything you said is baseless

What of it we turn the table around and say the the yorubas were originally edos that due to the infusion of many tribes into the yoruba population their edoness diluted

How you see your logic

Use your common sense. Those identities did not exist five thousand years ago. No such words to describe nations of people existed back then and the language spoken by people back then would not be intelligible to anyone today. Edoid might be the purest in my opinion but Edoid people adjacent to each other today don't understand themselves. Do you now get it?

Thebadpolitican:
Do you know benin have a strong cultural presence in ekiti and ondo, benin conquered those areas you're half baked in history don't call yourself names you're not entitled to

Ask why ayelala is only found in edo and ondo

As for the olokun it is there in my screenshot it says the worshipers of other orishas in the town of the ondo they are in would come to their house to join his parents who are Benins to watch in amazement the process of olokun worship

This link would also explain the presence of Benins in ondo

This is the link to my screenshot if you insist on reading it whole... You should!
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://edofolks.com/html/pub70.htm&ved=2ahUKEwiV3-eO4PDpAhU6AmMBHaZeCvAQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw2O2tdvNLC9WstfBOJD11C3&cshid=1591573439261

Benins and yorubas are almost very different

The way edo state is close to a yoruba state is just thesame way kogi state is also close to a yoruba neighboring state, but yet
Yoruba in kogi state still retain their yoruba Ness so why is that of the Benins different if we were truly yorubas proximity can have a little effect but no a whole effect on a tribe that is entirely different from another tribe

Benin are Edoid people while Yoruba are Yoruboid. I think Edoid is the most concentrated component of the YEAI language group while Yoruba has substantial infusion of Nupe, Hausa, Kemitic Egyptian, Bariba, Fon and etc. If you remove all those from Yoruba language, then ninety percent of what will be left will be Edoid and Igboid words. The old Benin city was Yoruboid like Warri but it is now Edoid. The Edo were in the suburbs of Benin city but the old Benin city of over 50k people was no different from Warri in the past. The woman is wrong to say her ancestors were not Yoruba. My own maternal grandmother's family in Ipetu Ijesa the Alawiye family are from Benin but it was the Benin that was like Warri and if they spoke Edo at all it would be as a second language. The oriki of Alawiye family is omo onile ni Ado. People who are landlords in Benin (Ado).

If we say who are the people today that are representative of the old Benin empire. They are the Itsekiri, Olukumi in Anioma, parts of Ekiti, parts of Ondo, Afemmai and etc. All these people are still speaking the lingua franca of the Benin empire. The biggest cities in the Benin empire were Benin, Akure and Warri (I were) other places were smaller. All the places spoke Yoruba and the smaller places in Igbo areas and etc had original settlers who were Yoruba but their language later changed as a result of new people and intermarriages as well as trade. Eko Akete or Lagos island could not have been more than a thousand settlers maximum at the beginning and they were Olukumi Yoruba not different from Itsekiri or Ugbodu people. The majority of present Eko Akete are however Awori and Awori are distinct from Olukumi though they are still thesame Yoruba or Ife people.

Winneepye:
Yoruba own Benin therefore every thing Benin own belong to Yoruba 😂😂

Why not say Yoruba own Ikwerre, Onitsha, Ogba land and even some Ijaw in as faraway as Rivers state?. Nobody own anybody and Yoruba have many sub nations that were independent in the past

ariesbull:
I know one person like you in Honolulu....blablabla

I am not against your belligerency though because you need to work the money wey you don collect

ariesbull:
Blablabla

Show us land you got via conquest

You are not an intelligent person nor are you ready to learn. I know one lady like you in Wisconsin US

Niklaus398:
In India they pay more and you don't see them shouting do you? Yet there are still doing much more.
There is a little indian city that pays more than 5 million people salaries and yet still doing their duties and the city is actually better than Lagos.
Rwanda is everything Lagos will Dream of being... Forget money.

You pay more people but you forgot you get tax from that more people meaning much money. Kigali doesn't have that

There is no little city in India paying salaries to five million people because it will mean at least fifty million people are working in the city because non government workers will be there too and they will be ninety percent. If fifty million people are workers then at least 150 million people are residents. Which Indian city has 150 million residents?. The largest city in Earth is Tokyo at 20 million people

ariesbull:
What you did was defending your territory..show us one you gained via conquest

Only sadists or clowns engage in such self glorification. However no territory gained through war ever lasted. Do you know of any?. There is none at all. Not in the past and there will be none in the future. All identities on Yoruba land and all over the Earth presently are results of understanding. All new identities that will emerge will be thesame way. Wars are not permanent solution to anything. It just postpones the evil day

ariesbull:
Documented where ..what I read what that Dahomey female warriors defeated the Oyo people! I mean all female warrior and took them as slaves ....King Ghezo defeats Oyo in war and ends tributary status of Dahomey.


Then another one was when oyo was finally destroyed and Olueru, the Alaafin was killed by the forces of Abdulsalam,the first Fulani emir of ilorin


Abeg which war did you people win with external tribes or non Yoruba that you conquered and took their land. Or is it Una usual propaganda

Or is it Benin Empire establishing their war kingdom in present day Lagos island naming it Eko

That is how wars are fought. When the Benin tried to invade Ijesa they were stopped at Ikeji ile Ijesa because the oracle said camp where you encounter Eji or dews and the Ijesa repelled the Benin invaders who nevertheless successfully took Akure. Otherwise the whole of Ijesa would have become Benin territory at the time. It was during the reign of Owa Obokun Atakunmosa When Ijesa had another war they went to Benin to beg for assistance. It was during Owa Obokun Gbegbaaje"s reign. When Oranmiyan wanted to go and revenge for Oduduwa where he was driven out from, the Bariba massed across the River Niger and offered battle. He settled there and formed the first Oyo allying with the Nupe by marrying the Etsu's daughter. When the Nupe sacked the Oyo capital. It was another Alaafin born by a Bariba mother who allied with the Bariba and drove the Nupe out of Oyo after eighty years. When the Americans won their independence from Britain, it was with the aid of France or else it might not have been possible and the US may be part of the British Commonwealth today The Nazis of Germany only attacked Russia when sure Italy is guarding the rear and that France is no longer a threat. Do you know how many white men died fighting for Biafra? And none for Nigeria? Do you know that major powers provided military equipment, backing and etc for both Biafra and Nigeria? Therefore wars are fought like that. Don't rush into war nor must you run away from war because all the help you need will always come. All you need to tend to is your intention. Your aim should be noble and God will take care of the rest.

pacesetting:
That's because Igbos are not tribalist. They believe they are part and parcel of any environment they find themselves.

Speaking about region, I ask again, have you ever been to the SE? If you have, you won't be talking about development, because no state in the SW is as developed as anybody of the SE states, apart from of cause the glorified Lagos.

Everytime Igbos this Igbos that. If someone asks you what they have done, you won't even have a single answer. Na only envy dey disturb some of una.

What is there to envy in other people when everybody have their property proportional to their population?. Each group have some advantage. God did not create anybody without advantages. All you need to do is capitalize on yours. There is no reason for Yoruba to envy Hausa, Ijaw, Edo, Tiv or Igbo and vice versa. If you take any random nation of people say Tiv, Idoma or Igala you will find out that Yoruba, Hausa or Igbo are not better than them in any way. If by number of successful business men, politicians, innovators etc. The only way you can beat them is with population. So there is no reason to be saying people are envying Igbo or Igbo are envying others. Can you list why Hausa should envy Igbo or vice versa?. Both have their territories and success stories

Niklaus398:
all you keep emphasizing on is money. Lagos has nothing than that to show for all the billions. Rwanda doesn't even have a fraction of that money yet Kigali is everything Lagos will Dream of being

So to have 500,000 people collecting salaries is nothing? Even if that is the only thing?

Any union between Ijesa and Ibadan despite both being Yoruba can only be by understanding. If not it will not last and there will certainly be blood flow at some point even nowadays. If you go to another land who don't even speak your language and say iit's your land, it can surely result in problems for you anywhere in the world. There were different Benin posts in the past and those Benin were Yoruba but if you can't go to Akure to claim the place or Onitsha, Ussele Ukwu etc why Lagos?. Ogedengbe of Ijesa collected tribute on behalf of Ibadan in Benin, Akure also did. Are they claiming the place now?. So don't claim other people's land in this modern age to avoid trouble. If you don't want something done to you don't do to others. There is no Edo place name in Lagos because everything official in the Benin empire was Yoruba as the dominant group in the empire and also in the capital back then. Even town names not far from Benin are Yoruba names but are now Edoid towns. Oghotoun is the same as in Ekiti. Agenebode is Ago onibode. If they did that nearby to Benin how much more in Lagos?

Niklaus398:
and yet Lagos ain't even half as good as south Africa. The only thing they. Boast of is IGR bit it is still a dirty pigsty
Even Abuja though doesn't have the IGR of Lagos is still cleaner and look like a proper city.
Lagos is a pig sty.
See I'm from Akwa ibom state and everyday I'll pray my state should never be like Lagos. If my state ever be like Lagos then the govt of my state has failed.

Let my state be like Rwanda, boswana etc.

No state should pray to be like Lagos. A dirty pigsty

In Africa, very few governments are as powerful as the Lagos government. If you are Lagos governor you are at par with the Nigerian President going by the number of workers you lead. Lagos has 500,000 people on the payroll and increasing while Abuja has around 720,000. Lagos salary is more or less the highest in the country and at least at par with the richest oil states if not higher than some So Lagos is doing something if only workers' salary but they also have huge projects. No state has the equivalent of LAGBUS or LASTMA. If you are the head of any of them, it is the position of a big CEO. LAGBUS is probably the mist viable transport company in Nigeria. Don't doubt that there is a benefit in organizing your state via taxation. It has huge benefits

XAUBulls:
Let me come into your convo here.

Point of correction:
You have to be very careful about falsifying or and pushing out wrong information to others on a public forum such as NL.

EKO is the shortened form of the Ijebu name EREKO which means farm [Eko Island or Lagos Island was used as a pepper FARM and settlement by Aromire who was one of the children of Olofin of Awori-Yoruba roots whose entourage came to occupy several areas in todays Lagos State from Ile Ife over 700 years ago]. Nobody on Lagos Island knows Eko as a Bini word. So many ignorant people have been getting their incorrect knowledge from Wikipedia. The Ijebus [who are indigenous to Lagos State [Epe LGA, Ikorodu LGA, Ibeju-Lekki LGA, Ajah] and Ogun State] have been an integral part of trading activities for centuries on Eko Island [aka Lagos Island], with the Aworis who are the indigenes and owners of Lagos Island. The Oba lineage on Lagos Island was only given a small part of Lagos Island by Aromire to build the palace or Iga where the current palace is located now. The famous aristocratic IDEJOS [or WHITE CAP CHIEFS] are the REAL owners of Lagos Island lands and beyond into places like Iruland [The original Yoruba name of Victoria Island] because they are the descendants of Olofin who partitioned or shared all the vast lands of Lagos they occupied among all his many children before he passed on. So it is clearly someone who doesn't know the history of the Awori-Yorubas and feeds of VANDALIZED INFORMATION on Wikipedia and other non-credible blogs set up by children who were born in the late 1980s, 1990s, 2000s, etc, that would wrongly say otherwise.

Second, the Idu prefix is of Bini origin but the prefix is of Awori-Yoruba origin. Therefore Idumagbo and Idumota are a fusion of Bini and Yoruba origin. There are many example of words worldwide that are fusions of 2 or more languages. "Idu" just smply means WAY or ROAD. It is just the same way you have some compounds in Asaba bearing the prefix OGBE showing the Bini origins of those compounds [Asaba has Igala roots, and indeed Igalas and Nri migrants also populated Asaba and had their own quarters].

Oba is a Yoruba word and even before the rise of the 3rd Dynasty or the Oduduwa Dynasty in Ife, other ruling dynasties existed there. Obatala was alive before the start of a new dynasty by Oduduwa [Odu du iwa] "Odu + Iwa" [It means "the knowledge of mysteries and it's application to human behavior"]. Odu [knowledge of mysteries] + Iwa [Behavior].

In any event, the Bini royal family incorporated several Yoruba loan words from Ife [which Binis call Uhe] into the royal court language... therefore, many of the words, Bini royal titles and deities have Ife/Yoruba origins. The current Oba of the Bini people himself acknowledged in his coronation day speech in 2016 right in the full presence of the current Ooni of Ife that Oranmiyan his ancestor came from Ife and became the FIRST Oba of Benin, but he didn't stay long, but had a son [Eweka] who went on to become the second Oba from the current Oranmiyan Dynasty.

Even the Ogiamhen family have clearly stated severally that the current Oba of Benin has Yoruba origins via the Oranmiyan Dynasty.
So, there is NO argument that Yorubas and Bini-Edos share historical links and there were large Yoruba trading communities in Edolands and Bini-Edo trading communities in Yorubaland as well centuries back!





BELOW IS AN ADDRESS BY HIS ROYAL HIGHNESS, CROWN PRINCE, (AMBASSADOR) EHENEDEN EREDIAUWA, EDAIKEN N’ USELU ON THE OCCASION OF HIS CORONATION AS THE OBA OF BENIN AT URHOKPOTA, BENIN CITY, ON THE 20TH OCTOBER, 2016.

12. Historians all agree that Oduduwa sent his son Oronmiyan at the request of elders of Benin to return with them as ruler of their realm. Oronmiyan’s stay in Benin may have been short, but before he left, a child was born to him, who was later crowned Oba (King) and is known today as Eweka I. Oronmiyan’s time in Benin, however short lived, he was an Oba; and so, he was the first Oba after the Ogiso dynasty came to an end. He established Obaship in Benin. By implication, the listing of past Obas should therefore begin from Oronmiyan as it is listed in Egharevba’s book – Short History of Benin, making my revered father 39th Oba that reigned in Benin – if the listing is counted from and, should be counted from Oronmiyan.

Source: https://www.nairaland.com/3436267/oba-benin-coronation-speech

You people keep avoiding the main issue which is what was the identity of the Benin empire and the former identity of the capital city?. Is it Edo language or the language of the majority of the empire which was the Olukumi dialect of Yoruba. Why are you debating like primary school students?

BreconHills:
Please share the "all history books" titles you have.

There are two chieftaincy titles of Benin origin in the place though the current Benin now pronounce it wrongly but it is evidence of association with Benin in the early stages. The titles are Bajulaye and one other

Chief Asari Dokubo, statements should be as academic as possible. We have records in the Ifa corpus of wars that happened over five thousand years ago. If Benin attacked Lagos, it it will be recorded in the history of the Awori. The ODU that founded Eko Akete is Ogundakete. Ogunda Irete and the Benin did not fight with the Awori. The Benin empire had more than ten times more Yoruba than Edo and the Benin that came to Lagos were the same stock as Itsekiri Owo or Ugbodu people. They were not Edo and they communicated among themselves in Yoruba the lingua franca of the empire. They established a Benin style monarchy in Eko Akete or Isale Eko and nothing happened more than that. The people are Awori and will be part of an Awori state and they will recognize the most senior Awori monarch in the same way the Olubadan recognizes the Alaafin of Oyo. It is an Awori land and the people are Awori who will be in an Awori state. Awori have their land just as Benin have theirs and around one thousand or five hundred people from Benin could not have settled in that place without the go ahead of the Aworis. They would sweep them into the sea whether Yoruba or not

There is no need appointing a Lagosian as head of TV in Enugu and etc. Employ Yorubas in Enugu, Anambra etc educated and Igbonized speaking Igbo in the same positions Igbos have been occupying in the west for like twenty years and there will be an equal footing. I had a room mate in the university who spoke Yoruba with a heavy Ekiti accent and also fluent Igbo and Ikwerre having grown up in the East with his family still there. There are millions of such people.

drlateef:
Your point shows that southeast is not welcoming to other tribes. That’s the bitter truth we have been saying long before the election. And the sense of entitlement of the average southeaster is beyond belief.

There are people there who are making it. I met a Yoruba in Nsukka who has become Igbo and speaks only very bad Yoruba. So it is your own that you know and most Igbos saying no Yoruba in the East may have never stayed in the East up to one week at a time if at all

Iamzik:
Of course Igbos are not like any other tribe. That is why you are scattered all over the country and cannot achieve anything as a region besides chest beating and meaningless arrogance.

You people are not wise. Instead of using your resources to develop your region, you go on wild goose chase to other regions and want to claim you own everything there. I just laugh at your foolishness because other tribes are playing a long game that you are too blind to see

Yoruba are more in all Nigerian cities than Igbos. You can check with Quora and see the names of people on Quora in Kaduna or Abuja, Jos and etc. It is a random samplingm

pacesetting:
In the SE, you will count 1000 people before you see a single Yoruba person. And there is a 90% chance that that one is an Agbo seller.

Nobody gives Agbo sellers employment in government offices.

Agbo sellers are human beings too and many of them are married women and they are responsible people making a honest living but you can employ entrepreneurs, former civil servants, transporters, artisans like tailors of which many are Yoruba in the East. Oil workers, telecomms workers, bank workers, Pastors etc. There are more Yoruba by percentage in the East than Igbos in the West. Give them appointments. Almost all drivers in Onitsha or PH are Yorubas. So you have more than enough to choose from. I have friends who are in the East and they are graduates

paramakina202:
Give political appointments to who?
Somone staked millions the other day to be given to anyone who knows any estate build by non Igbo person in Igboland till today it does not exist.Nothing goes for nothing.Ndi Igbo are given appointments here and there because they live in large numbers in those places and have made economic impact to the host community.If Yoruba people can do 20% of what Igbos are doing SW they will be made at least deputy governor by now.

Which Igbo man of the same age bracket was more successful in business in PH than Captain Haastrup former chairman of Eagle Cement?. He was an Ijesa man from Osun state Is there any Igbo man like him in Western Nigeria ever?

Niklaus398:
Nigeria has invested in Lagos so u can't remove Lagos from it. If Nigeria was wiser in their early days should've spread development just like the SA people did.
In South Africa, govt branches and investments wasn't stationed in one city. But spread.. some govt branch like the judicary capital is in another city. The legislature is in another... That's how to spread development.
But nigeria instead of doing that, in those early days put everything in Lagos till it finally moved some of them to Abuja but the mistake had already been done. The other cities still remain underdeveloped.

Go to the east, try look for any fg Presence u will see none. Go to the west and north and see them plenty yet u guys blame the east?

You do not understand. If all state governments were like Lagos state government then Nigeria would at least be as good as South Africa. Do you now understand why Lagos should be removed?.

GUNITGuy:
Olukunmi are what then ...They are also the Yoruba Riverine area in Delta ....So what's the difference

You can be something while your ancestors were another thing. Obi of Onitsha, Oba of Ogba land and etc had ancestors that were Olukunmi Yoruba from Benin. What are they now?. Are they not Igbo?.

XAUBulls:
Let me step into the convo here.

Point of correction. Yorubas who number over 50 million worldwide and are indigenous to North Central and Western Nigeria, Benin Republic, Togo, and also naturalized citizens of Ghana and Cote d'Ivoire are some of the most widely traveled people in Nigeria and on earth.

Are you even aware that there are hundreds of thousands of Yorubas living in, and doing interstate and international business, and engaged in other professions in Northern Nigeria states, Rivers, Cross Rivers, Delta State, Cote d'Ivoire, Ghana, Gambia, South Africa, UK, Canada, USA, France, Germany, Netherlands, UAE, DRC, etc? Yorubas are some of the greatest international travelers on earth for business and leisure purposes with heavy investments. Because Yoruba folks (just like Edos for instance) don't unnessarily brag about their vast travel and business exploits but let actions speak louder than words doesn't mean they don't travel out of their regions! There is a famous market called Makola Market in Accra, Ghana which was founded by Yorubas many decades ago and it was named after Mokola Market in Ibadan.

Surely you are NOT well-informed for saying falsely on a major discussion forum like NL that Yoruba folks don't travel or prefer to stay in their region. Open your eyes wider and do not be so clannish or insular in thinking. Yorubas and Edos used to live in and/or travel a lot for business to the Eastern areas like Abakaliki, Aba, Onitsha, etc, but after the Civil War ended, they shifted to other nearby states like Rivers, Cross Rivers, etc, for safety reasons because of the loss of their investments after non-Ibos were expelled prior to the start of the Nigerian Civil War by the secessionists led by Col. Ojukwu in 1967. A Yoruba trader who wants to engage in trading can always move from Port Harcourt to nearby Aba and drive back home to PH with his or her purchases from Aba. Those living in Asaba can always drive into Onitsha and drive back to Asaba. There are many Yorubas who built houses and mansions in Port Harcourt because they feel much safer there. Period.

Lagos population is more than 20 million. Ogun and Oyo together is more than Lagos say 25 million. The rest of the SW will be around 15 million. NC and SS will be around 10 million. Total is at least 70 million in Nigeria. Togo Benin and Ghana will be close to 10 million. So West Africa is at least 80 million Yoruba apart from associated groups who qualify as Yoruba and they will surpass 20 million. Total 100 million in West Africa. Latinized Yoruba in the Americas will be triple that number and they are the real Yorubas practicing the culture but the majority don't speak the language as first language. All the non Yorubas on Yoruba land may be at most ten percent of the population and scattered Yoruba in Nigeria and West Africa are more than them in population. Your estimate of 50 million is very low. For Nigeria, it is those working in Yoruba cities that can be counted. Ditto for other nationalities in Nigeria. If everybody should return to their towns. Eighty percent of urban centers in Nigeria will be Yoruba.

Raf4:
You're deceiving yourself. Just like saying if you sell your family land/house and used the money to japa to go do caregivers' work. When after running like 3 shifts/day and you struggled to send some money back home. Even if the money, after converting it to Naira, is enough to buy a nice building in Lekki, it doesn't amount to capital flights.
Out of wages paid you, you must pay house rent, buy food, energy, transport, insurances and taxes. So, their system has already withheld about 80% of your wages to keep their economy running. So the remnants you send to your village doesn't qualify as capital flight. Same is applicable to your activities in Lagos.

The same is applicable to Yoruba scattered all over the country. Yoruba are in PH by a higher percentage than Igbos in Lagos and they are making money. It is the same thing only that Igbos draw unnecessary attention to themselves

All states have all occupations. They have civil servants, bakeries, petrol stations and etc. They have landlords, tenants, artisans and etc. Therefore all states are equal apart from population and organisation by government. Anambra is comparable to Osun by population but both states are specialized in different areas. Osun has more services and production than trading while Anambra has huge market. Which will now have more HNIs?. Judge for yourself.

Nahunger:
Edo, life no be by mouth, binin kingdom is a microcosm of respected stools in the smallest state in the north, you people brglaf too much.

What happened is that Benin would have been another Warri, Atakpame or Ugbodu and etc who are Yoruba speakers hemmed in by non Yoruba speakers if not that the Edo people that originally owned the land overwhelmed the city after the decline of the empire and turned it into an Edo city and that was late in the nineteenth century. The land belongs to them and the Ogisos they speak of lived a long time ago and the larger part of the ancestors of Igbos and Yorubas etc were still one with Edo ancestors as at then which will be well over five thousand years ago.

seunmsg:
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Oba of Bini himself is a Yoruba man. He’s a direct descendant of Oba Iweka, the son of Oranmiyan. Oranmiyan returned to Ile Ife and died there. Iweka his son who was the first Oba of Bini was buried in Ile Ife. All Obas of Bini after him were buried in Ile Ife till the practice stopped in the 19th century. So, what’s your point?

Btw, Bini never founded Lagos. They conquered an existing village on Lagos Island and imposed a king whose authority is limited to Lagos Island. So, how does that amount to Bini founding and owning Lagos?

Oba of Benin is not a Yoruba man. His ancestors were Olukunmi Yoruba unless you yourself are not what you are and Benin never conquered Lagos. There was no such war in history and the post was a small settlement which at the peak iwas less than five thousand people and that was after the Benin had left the place for centuries.

GlobeTrotter2:
?? Applying for a visa a a first time traveler with zero balance... You are most likely going to be rejected. 95% chance
Well then again thee is a slim 5%

If an illiterate cocoa merchant is traveling for the first time or using his account for a child. He can submit bank statement with negative balance

GlobeTrotter2:
sure of course the activity matters

It is not the activity matters. It is the activity that matters. A Zero balance or a negative balance will be okay