₦airaland Forum

pacespot:
Even though I'm a Yorùbá, no true son of Yorùbá will deny Benin's existence in the founding of Lagos as we know it today.

That is the Eleko and not anywhere outside Isale Eko. They received a Benin prince or adopted Benin styled monarchy with chieftaincy titles and married a princess from Benin at a point and only the land owners can finalize on that but at least two chiefs are descended from Benin that was a Yoruba empire. The people that came to Lagos did not speak Edo. They were Olukunmi people. If Okukunmi in Delta are not speaking Edo why do you think there was an Oba of Lagos who spoke Edo? No they were Yoruba not different from Ijebu or Ijesa

If there are 100 million Yoruba in West Africa from Delta state to Ghana There must be over 200 million in the Americas as is true for the Portuguese and Spanish as well as Irish and etc. These people recognize the word Oba but Benin people say the Yoruba learnt it from them in the 20th century. Of the 8 million people in Edo, not more than two million will be Benin including strangers on their land.
They say Oduduwa is Ekalardehan and that he was a Benin man when the same man told his children he is a descendant of Nimrod. If someone is telling me my own father's name is not John Lawanson but an alien name I never heard before do you think I will be agreeable with the person?. Therefore put yourself in the same shoes you are putting others and you will know where it pinches. Nobody begged Benin people to accept two Yoruba men as Oba on their land without war. There was Oranmiyan and there is still another one mentioned in an Odu IFA story in Irete meji. Oduduwa is the Odu of IWA and it is in Ofun meji. Benevolence of perfection. It is the name of the first King according to Yoruba tradition. It is also a name of God So if you want to engage in a war of words then go and kit up

AbuTwins:
That's not true!

Your skills and the quality of your output will judge you!

If you learnt on your own it will not be Ethical to collect money from any client without being given the go ahead by a Master. I have learnt many things like that and I got published informally in several academic fields but without formal recognition by experts, you are still on one spot and in those fields I am on the same spot despite breaking new grounds. I hope you understand. If you learnt from somewhere and give credit to another then it is Oluwole certificate

AbuTwins:
This one way YouTube dey gidigba!

In any real trade you will need a certificate signed by a Master

In the long run, Lagos will be split and given back to the nations that own it Ijebu, Awori and etc

TrossardT:
There is an adage where I come from, it goes like this "if you give a lazy person cloth, you dye it for the person"

I want you to think about the adage as it applies to the situation and tell me your thought on it

It has two meanings
If you want to help, go the whole way.
It also means help the lazy person and not give him a white cloth which will get dirty often. Dye it for him so that he will wash it less often. Approximately the same meaning but still a bit different

Raf4:
You keep shouting capital flights when you don't even understand what it means.
FYI, capital flight is common among foreign portfolio investors. They brought in their capital, invested it, but quickly repatriate the invested capital to their home country or elsewhere from the revenues generated. eg by charging outrageous technical fee on revenues, payment of outrageous amounts for imported raw materials, spare parts, bogus expatriate salaries and allowances etc.
In your own cases, you people came to SW to hustle. You didn't bring any capital. So, if you send money to your village for their feedings, to build house etc that's normal thing, eating the fruit of your labour and not capital flights.

You are right. Capital flight is mainly experienced in the stock exchange but if companies shut down, it is also capital flight but sudden ones can only be via the stock exchange. The real flight can only be human capital flight and it affects all parts of Nigeria equally and not only the SE. The SE is not more homogenous than any other zone. Yorubas and etc are there in large numbers and they have industries they control. Therefore within Nigeria there is no human capital flight differential unless you can prove it. If you say what Igbos or Hausas monopolize in the west I will say what Yorubas monopolize in the North and the East. That is how it is

AbuTwins:
No be by force to learn that job na! I will look for someone else who understands or learn another skill.

Of course you will go and learn it in another place or pay for Oluwole certificate

plaindealer:
So, the SE collectively generated less revenue than Ogun state because Ogun state is not ok?

What's Ogun state not being OK got to do with the whole of SE combined generating less revenue than Ogun state.

Makes no sense.

Beats me why you people come up with all manner of irrelevant and pointless excuses to deflect and justify why the SE is at the bottom of everything.

Ogun is better than others but if Ogun is not doing half of Lagos they are still behind. Not commendable. Ogun is up to eighty percent of Ebonyi Anambra and Imo by population and it is more industrialized than the combination of the three. If Osun and Anambra are at par or Anambra is higher, why are you then picking on Anambra?. Ogun and Lagos are the only serious states in the West and in Ogun there are companies with five thousand workers all taxpayers at a single location. Nobody is doing what Lagos is doing which is force every company to file PAYE returns and even in Lagos the companies are not reporting up to twenty percent of their wages. They pay fifty thousand naira per month or less when it should have been five hundred thousand naira but they pay because if they don't pay they will be shut down and that is how Lagos is different

Niklaus398:
don't give me that shit of population.
If I bring India now, you will start crying about another thing.
India has more population than Nigeria and yet has better.

Abeg no dey talk that stuff

You don't seem to understand. I am not talking about gross population or gross revenue but when you share the revenue collected by government to each person or citizen how much is it? That is the question and Nigeria if you remove Lagos from it will be the least on Earth. So if your revenue per head is the least on Earth, how can you compare yourself with a nation that have the revenue to solve problems?

plaindealer:
At the end of the day, this is the sad reality in the SE.


Revenue is income and when your income is abysmal and nothing to write home about, you have less resources for progress and development and also social programs and activities.

The SE is sadly very poor and unproductive and this is why the region is unbearable and also why SE people run away from the SE for economic survival elsewhere.

Even sef, if capital flight is so relevant and important than what you contribute elsewhere, why is that capital flight not transforming your towns and villages?

Why are you still running away from your so called capital flight village to places like Ogun state for survival? Why not sit in your capital flight village and enjoy your imagination capital flight.

We are talking about a backward region where people danced and collect Aso Ebi to celebrate JB concrete sign in 2023.

Sad..

The SW is not different from the SE Only Lagos is different in the SW and other states in the SW are not different from the SE. If Ogun were okay, it would have more than half of Lagos revenue. There is therefore no reason to say it only affects the SE

AbuTwins:
I would have established that I don't do that!

I no dey kneel, bow or prostrate!

The Yoruba master will not understand your point and will not even agree to train you.

Niklaus398:
Nigeria has had more higher revenue than even Rwanda and yet they have less than all u mentioned than Rwanda.

Shey I have used aba as a case study for u.

Aba is the only city in Nigeria bar Lagos that has less than 2% unemployment rate and yet generate far far less than even tiny Ebonyi state. That is to make u understand what I'm saying.

Do you need to be told that the population also matter?. Revenue per Capita matters and Nigeria is probably the lowest in the world if Lagos is removed though I am not sure but you will need to be a war torn country to be lower

Niklaus398:
IGR simply means who was more efficient in collecting more taxes.
It has nothing to do with PER-CAPITA which I rate above all other things.
Infact, even Akwa ibom state self if they want they can collect more IGR than Rivers State if they are more efficient in that regards.

Stop doing shakara over Tax collection.
The west use Tax collection to raise shoulder and it is stupid and useless.

Use Per-Capita.
Use Health
Use education
Use employment etc not all that iGR nonsense.

To understand what I'm saying, Aba in Abia has less than 2% unemployment rate and yet they have the least IGR generation. That is to tell you what I'm talking about.

If you have high revenue, there will be better health because of higher revenue, better education for the same reason and at least ten percent of people looking for employment will be catered for by government

IamAtikulate:
You are seeing a chart that shows that trade is the largest component of our GDP and you are still arguing.

Una need help

You are an idiot and can't be helped. How many of your family members are traders? Stupid idiot

Benin empire also was a sister empire to other Yoruba empires using the same language and Edo language was among the many languages of the empire. No Edo speaking group ever entered Yoruba land before Nigeria. Any Benin outpost was a Yoruba town and this includes Onitsha, Ikwerre and etc and this should be well understood. You don't speak any other language in a Benin court apart from Yoruba. No Edo man anywhere in Yoruba land that was not a slave. No Igbo man too and there were no Yoruba men in any Nri enclave or community that was not an outcast Osu or slave. That is how to reconstruct history. The Yoruba in the Benin area were aristocrats and the average Benin did not leave their villages for anything in the past.

IamAtikulate:
IGR = Taxes

Anambra is a tax haven, in case you don't.

Again, SE leaders are more economically sound than their SW counterpart.

For instance, Alex Otti recently said that "Taxes are government share of the prosperity it creates."

Do you really understand what that means?

Have you wondered why SE Governors, especially Abia and Anambra keep lowering taxes?

You won't understand because you guys suck at economics.

Keep celebrating IGR which is not an economic indicator while your debts keep mounting.

You claim to generate the highest IGR in the country yet SW has the highest debt ratio.

It doesn't make sense.

If Anambra State government is tax-obsessed like Ogun and SW Governors, only Onitsha Main Market will generate the whole if whatever IGR Ogun gets.

You are making noise because of 120 billion.

FYI, 12 million daily transaction happens at Onitsha Main Market. The market annual transactions sits at around $3 billion, with 40% of this circulating as unbanked transaction.

You can verify these claims with a simple Google search.

If Anambra government taxes just 1% of these transaction, it'll generate $30 million annually, which is approximately 21 billion naira.

If government taxes 5%, it'll generate 105 billion from the market alone.

But Anambra has 48 markets.

So, trade and commerce in Anambra can generate more than Ogun IGR.

If you are underrating trade, then look at the evidence below.

Trade is the third largest component of Nigerian GDP, far ahead of manufacturing

You have to generate high revenue to be viable. Trade is not necessarily the biggest sector in a state. In Lagos ten percent of workers meaning income earners feeding families are working for the state government and if no revenue it would not have been possible. There is still banking, the OPS, that employ millions of the around five million workers in Lagos. So trading is a small component of any GDP. Production, services, transportation and etc are still there

The current dynasty of the place was founded by Benin when Benin was a Yoruba speaking city but the present King is paternally descended from an Ijesa man who was a Babalawo married to a princess descended from Benin. He was given the princess to marry because he wanted to leave and return to Ijesa but he was a resource person that they did not want to leave. He was not only given a princess but was also built a palace called Iga Alagba and his son Ologunkutere is the ancestor of the present line of Lagos Kings but the dynasty is descended from Benin. A Yoruba Benin and not the ones who say Yoruba was never spoken in Benin

AbuTwins:
How does not prostrating to elders make you disrespectful? I do try to explain to those I can. I don't greet like that and my kids don't greet like that!
And it's not westernisation! It's simply reserving those postures for the worship of the supreme being!

If you train under a Yoruba person who is much older than you then you will kneel down to collect your certificate

Auto mobiles are the top traded goods after oil on Earth. The competition is not among Nigerian companies whose local market represents a negligible percentage of the global market for brand new cars as at now. If you can really produce cars in Nigeria then it will be very cheap for obvious reasons and you will sell any number you produce and you will be in the rank of Toyota, Hyundai, Mercedes Benz, Peugeot abd etc. So the competition is not among Nigerian companies. If everything settles, the big companies will come into Nigeria and many car part manufacturing companies will be set up to supply them but the big hurdle to cross is the materials industry. There will be Nigerian brands and foreign brands. If you have a new technology as a company then you will have a real footing but you can not have technology without being in the industry and spending money on research even if unintentionally

Wrong history is a virus. It was never a Fulani jihad and also, Aare Afonja never betrayed anybody or else where is proof?. Alaafin Aole was duly removed and he was not the first Alaafin to be removed. Aare Afonja could not have done it alone. Even Bashorun Gaha was not able to. Therefore revise your history. If people in Ilorin are ninety percent paternally descended from Yoruba today similar to Ibadan then who were the Fulanis that were in the Osogbo war?

Why talk to your teacher with respect too?. All courtesy should be outlawed

Ibani are Igboid speakers of Ijoid origin. They adopted a trade language over time. If no other Ijaw group,they would identify as Igbos but as Ijaw is large, then they would identify as Ijaw. They have Igbo dialect and Ijaw language. There are Ijaws in the South east as well because I have heard of one Taribo from Abia state and there are Ijaws in the southwest. Let every group control their land and align it anyhow they want is the only way to avoid problems. There is no conquering any group by force any more. That is a bygone era. The land you control is what you control and It can not increase more than that. All people speaking the same language ought to be in the same country to preserve that language and use it as official and if you have any language about to disappear like Ibani, brush it up and restore it as did the Jews with Hebrew. It is better to stop saying anybody at all is something they have repeatedly said they are not. Best scenario for Yoruba is to merge all their lands to Eastern Ghana as well as the land of associated people who agree to be in a Yoruba language country but it will be hard. The minimum is to start from looking out for each other in whatever country they find themselves. It is the same for Hausa in Nigeria and Niger. So let Igbos stop saying anybody is Igbo or not. There are Igboid people who may not be Igbos and the worst case scenario is having two or three Igbo speaking countries in west Africa and like everything it has its own advantages. Don't say people are what they are not. I know where my ancestors were say twenty or even two hundred generations ago but we no longer are from there and they don't claim us

Kano is the most progressive state in Nigeria since independence and they produced the number one grass root mobilizer in the country in the person of Mallam Aminu Kano. It is the only state that is firmly under the control of the masses and the only missing thing there is financial independence from the FG and they missed it only because they were not pushed as Lagos was pushed during the seizure of their LG funds. They should not surrender their independence even if it remains only thirty minutes for Nigeria to break up

Engine bloc, gear systems etc are the difficult parts of an automobile to manufacture but they can be made in the country as well. Osogbo machine tools can produce engine blocs. A simple lathe machine can be used to produce any machine part and can even produce another lathe machine and assemble it without the gear and it can substitute the gear with a switch. So I was told by a technician in Makstech Ilesa 23 years ago. Anything can be produced in the country if Ajaokuta were working well

tobstarizhia:
The middle class earn between 2/3rd of the national median income of 339,000 (around 230,000) to double that (660,000). I personally believe that the max value is much more higher. Going into the millions. In fact, I think anything less than 2.5 million is still middle class. Also, you can be earning 5 million a month and still be middle class. You're only rich if you have income generating assets (businesses, schools, etc) and those assets attracts little or no liabilities. E.g. you own the land and building on which your business is built. Middle income earners can own businesses, but they are more likely to rent the building than actually owning it

Your definition of the middle class is sensible because to own a building housing your business will be close to twenty million naira if not in Lagos but it can help you with bank guarantees, your character and long standing can also help you with credit. So if you have only a few millions of your own as liquidity but own your premises, you are not really middle class if you have long standing and character

nwadikeokey11:
Oga which of the embassies have you submitted your visa application before? Are you aware that you are more likely to be granted visa if you have a bulk amount in your account that has not been touched for months? That money just keep flowing into the account without you touching it? That it shows how comfortable and rich you are because what the embassies want to see and know is that you are very comfortable in your own country and only want to go to their country for a temporary visit just to enjoy your money in their country then return back to your own country, hence the steady inflow of money in your account and the balance is one of the major determinant factor to granting you visa? The balance in your account is very necessary to prove that you have got enough money to spend in their country and a left over you fall back on when you return. Show me the embassy that will grant you visa without a substantial stipulated amount of money in your account. Only USA will not request for bank statement for tourist visa, others does and they all requires a substantial bulk in your account. I ask you again, are you aware that most embassies rules include that a certain amount of money must be in your account at the time you are printing and submitting your account statement, irrespective of the busy activities in the said account? Talk about only what you know and never babble into what you know absolutely nothing of.

You people think you have to travel out of the country before having basic common sense but that is mediocre thinking. If there is any bank account where money is entering constantly without it being depleted, then that is not a real bank account. It is a kind of scam account. I hope you understand but I doubt you ever will or can

nwadikeokey11:
Checking the balance is also part of it, especially if it's for visa purposes. Or are you not aware that there's certain amount of money that's required to be in your account for you to stand the chance of getting a visa of some countries? Oga talk wetin you know.

In any active account, money is moved more or less everyday and sometimes more than that nce a day to remain zero. Therefore it is never the balance being checked and if you have a huge balance with no activity, the account will be freezed

GlobeTrotter2:
the regular documents like employment letter or cac, account statement, cover letter,etc.

There is no definite amount that should be in your bank account, but it must be healthy enough to fund your trip with a good amount remaining

When bank statement is asked for by any entity. It is not to check the balance but to check the activity.

BreconHills:
I know exactly what you are saying.

What I am saying is that in car manufacture, nobody builds a car using 100% parts from one country. Usually parts are brought from several countries and it assembled in location. The eurofighter for example (which admittedly is a plane) is built with components from four - six countries. The engine alone was contributed by five engine parts manufacturers.

However in ship building Nigeria is making more progress with small inland patrol boats and ferries. Caverton has just produced a largely NG manufactured ferry.

The objective for any country is to increase local components. If you have 30% local components you can claim the car. What the government should do have a tiered tax and support regime based on local content with import waivers for export lines.

By the way there is an ( OEM) Original Equiptment Manufacturers (a market for buying non military components for everything including building private Jets).This is the market that Nigerian car assembly companies are buying from. They are not buying a car in China and shipping it as a completely knocked down UNLESS they are an outpost of such a car manufacturer eg Peugeot in the North. However to reduce final costs it is unlikely they will by buying Rolls Royce engines or Saab parts - so high liklihood China, Turkish and Korea parts will feature heavily.

Let's give some kudos to people veering into unsupported areas with very tiny domestic ecosystems.

We will get there.

Do you realize that if rent in Europe or China or North America were as cheap as Enugu or Owerri that salaries will come down and oil price will drop as well to around seven dollars per barrel and a car you are buying at ten million will drop to at most two million naira? And that will be only because of the lower cost of labour in high income countries also because of lower cost of oil. If you can relate with that you will realize that Nigeria does not have any real industrial capacity. If there is then a brand new car will be around one million naira only

There are many historical accounts wrongly propagated as truths while they are demonstrably false and the idea of a Fulani jihad in Yoruba land is one. The oft repeated account of Ibadan driving back the Fulani at Osogbo is a false historical account. The right history is that Ibadan drove back the Ilorin from Osogbo a part of Ijesa land and the Ilorin were allied with the Ijesa whose land was occupied by the Ibadan. An Ijesa Oba was more or less apprehended by Ibadan after the Ilorin calvary was routed by Ibadan infantry. He was my ancestor the Ogboni of Ibokun for supporting Ilorin. He gave birth to the grandmother of late Chief Josiah Oladiran Lawanson That is the correct account. No Fulani were driven back from Osogbo and it was Ilorin that was driven back and the Ilorin were allies of the Ijesa.

The correct account of what happened in Ilorin in the 1840s is that Aafa Alimi a Fulani man was a gentleman that was well liked by everybody. He grew old and died and was buried. Then Aare ona Kakanfo Afonja wanted to instal another Imam and he picked a naturalized Yoruba I think from Borno but the followers of Aafa Alimi said it must be Abdulsalam that should be installed and he was the son of the late Aafa Alimi by a Yoruba woman and they went further to disinherit all other older and younger sons from the non Yoruba wives of the late Aafa Alimi but Aare Afonja did not agree. It turned into a civil war during which he was killed. Does it qualify as a Fulani Jihad?. It certainly does not but for some reasons it has been tagged like that. The struggle was not initiated by Fulani and the beneficiary was made Emir only because of his Yoruba heritage. You must note that if there is war in Ijesa today, all sorts of people will participate including Fulani, Hausa, Bariba, Igbo and probably Europeans. Ilorin jihad or Iwo jihad or Ijesa jihad is not the same thing as a Fulani jihad. The Othman Dan Fodio jihad was a Fulani jihad but Ilorin jihad is Ilorin jihad and it was nipped in the bud by Ibadan. The last headquarter of Ilorin before colonisation was Ibadan and they dutifully sent in their taxes in produce, livestock and young women to Ibadan annually. What caused an upset was the Kirini war that was on for seventeen years. The Fulani in Sokoto wished to carry jihad to the South but it was only a wish which never happened as they had major cities or nations to cross or subdue before reaching any Yoruba people. It was not the Yoruba at risk of being overrun by Sokoto, it was the other way round if not for the Kiriji war that broke out. If you doubt me go to Ilorin today and each and everyone of them will tell you details of their origin and it will be places like Oyo, Bariba, Ogbomoso, Iseyin, Ijesa, Fulani, Mali, Kanuri, Iwo, Egba but it is a predominantly Oyo culture that has embraced Islam like Iwo, Ede, Ibadan etc. They use turban partly because they are Muslims and also because they were in the Northern Nigeria. The Olu of Jebba and the Obaro of Kabba used to wear turban. Christian Kings in the North still do so but by ancestry Ilorin probably has more Yoruba than Ilesa. Then the person who signed the land under Britain was a descendant of Alaafin Abiodun. He was therefore the representative of the landowners as at then. So stop the idea of a Fulani jihad that reached Ilorin because it is an uneducated presentation of history. Something coming from Sokoto that did not reach Jebba obviously could not have reached Ilorin or how is that possible?. If you are coming overland from Cameroon to Benin republic, you must pass Nigeria and if not you must pass other places that is bordering Nigeria. Isn't it?.

excel101:
Are the likes of:
1. Lanre Shittu Motors
2. Dana Motors
3. Elizade Motors
Etc a Motor manufacturing company.

They have assembly plants and can take auto parts from local suppliers while they also manufacture some especially none metal parts. No other company is doing much more than that.. The industrial capacity in the country is not adequate otherwise a brand new car will be less than two million naira