₦airaland Forum

poseidon12:
None of those Nigerian billionaires mentioned are self made. It's all government money.

It's the South African ones that are self made.

If what you are producing is not more expensive than in foreign countries paying the same wages then there is no basis to describe the money as government money

SmartyPants:
Work does not necessarily mean salaried employment. If you don't want to understand it that way then simply take it that self made is the opposite of inherited or gifted.

Thinking and not work is what brings any kind of success. Nobody really works harder than others but you can think harder

SmartyPants:
Self made in this context simply means you worked for it rather than inheriting it.

It is still not correct because no amount of work can make you a high net worth individual. Ise ko ni owo.

Is it really right for somebody employing fifty people to be described as self made?. Given that artisans who do not employ at all can not really be described as self made because they had a master at one point.

LeonSaab:
sure citizenship is not forced, by the time they block you at the border your eye go clear.....

Only governments of primitive third world countries will need to block workers from entering their country if the whole globe were properly organized. If Ijesa is 2 million in population with 500,000 workers, efficient tax collection will give the government at least 500 million dollars per annum and plans will be made on that. If the population falls the money will not be complete

caracas:
There’s nothing like Igbo obsession with Lagos, but fact is fact . The igbos developed Lagos just like they have done in Abuja…

Yorubas built house in any city on Earth more than Igbos apart from Igbo cities. So why are they not saying they developed those cities?. That is the issue which you ought to understand is irritating. There is no sector in Lagos where Igbo is up to twenty percent. No industry except very narrow ones. So the claim is not right and even if right it is uncivilized to make. UAE, Dubai etc have majority foreign workers and those foreigners don't say such. East is full of Yorubas dominating several industries. High skilled industries which only Yoruba are into in the East and they are not insulting Igbos. It is unfair to be trampling upon your fellow human even if you have the status not to talk of when you don't and you continually do the verbal trampling. If you say you built Lagos, why not say exactly what you built? Such behavior is not civil at all

Imposed tariff is punishment and not taxation. There is no justification for tariffing anything not produced in the country at all

LeonSaab:
sure citizenship is not forced, by the time they block you at the border your eye go clear.....

The important part of citizenship is the right to participate in determining the direction and destiny of the nation. In a properly organized world, you need only one. The remaining right of a citizen should be the right to gainful employment but civilization has not reached that level yet but it soon will

LeonSaab:
Oga stop been an idiot....I thought maybe your sense had started coming together but please feel free to a stay a fool I've moved from you........total Indian population in India alone is 1.4Billion but for your mind it's impossible for 4 generations of Indians in Nigeria and of Nigerian Origin to be up to 800k......for your mind once born they have to wait for aregbesola to confer citizenship on them.....it's just like saying a child born in America will be counted as a Nigerian when they are doing census because they are born to Nigerian parents or carry a second passport......

Different countries have different laws but nowhere in the world is citizenship taken by force. All the Yoruba online shouting that PH, Onitsha, Aba are no man lands, Igbos are dirty, lazy, cowards and etc while working and making a living in Biafra should not be granted citizenship of Biafra because they will pour sand into the gari of Biafra but of course they can work

The foundation of Nigeria's problem is identity and people have to take their land and control.it before there can be sustainable prosperity. You must take your land as it was before colonisation and align it as you wish
Imagine there is no Ijesa state?. Ijesa is one of the most long standing states on Earth but now it does not even have autonomy. It is broken into pieces and they say they are not good enough to have their own police. So Nigerian is A British identity and it is not alright for any group in the country. It can't work. Each tiny nation of people must control it's land.

It must be noted that Yoruba investment in the East employing workers surpass Igbo investments in the west by far. If Igbo people are one million in the west, Yoruba will be 500k in the East because the west is more than double the East. The population is equally interspersed and if PH were Lagos, the Yoruba there will be by far more than Igbo in Lagos. If Yoruba are not complaining in the East, then there is no need for Igbos to complain in the west. Govt has said the majority of properties demolished were owned by Yorubas. If there is proof that Igbos were targeted, then it should be presented. Igbos were a closed community in the past apart from the Aro is part reason for all these issues that heat up the polity unnecessarily

If he meant ninety percent of farmers then he is correct at least in Southern Nigeria

Irony1:
Who was the Ijesa man that was king in Lagos. Bros cool down you are not making any point here. I for one cannot call Lagos a no man's land. And beside what they meant both Jakande and Wachukwu is that anyone can come to Lagos and make a living and make a name and actually hold a position, which is due to the cosmopolitan nature of Lagos.

That is how it should be. No Ijesa man was King in Lagos. You can not make an English man King in Germany unless sworn in properly. Ologunkutere the son of an Ijesa Babalawo is the founder of the current line of Lagos Kings. His father was an Ijesa born in Ijesa but died as an Awori and his descendants are Awori.

Irony1:
Can you just have small sense for once in your life. We are talking about the geo political demarcation of Nigeria in the 60s. Lagos as a capital territory was made to be carved alone and away from Western region. Are you this dull not to understand it. There are Yorubas in Osun and Oyo, but they are different states because of Geo Political demarcation. Try and be sensible and stop arguing like a 5 year-old.

Why the son of an Ijesa was made King in Lagos was because he did not call the place a no man's land and he wanted to return to Ijesa. He was prevailed upon to remain and his descendants are now Awori

2 million people are working in the federal and state civil services and at least 30 million receive salaries in the OPS while up to 30 million are in the informal sector as artisans and self employed including farmers. Total workers in the countey will be around fifty million people. Therefore the estimate is clearly wrong. Farmers in Nigeria are not up to ten percent of workers and workers are a maximum of sixty million. The rest are dependants

Irony1:
Come is there anything wrong with you. I just showed how Nigeria was demarcated in the 60s with lagos Island as the Stand alone capital territory away from Western Region. Guy Lateef Jakande called Lagos No Man's land ooooo and you people saw nothing wrong in it, but an Igbo man's own is making you angry. This is the height of inferiority complex and your mental insecurities. Guy go and get a decent job and stop spreading hatred, you are not a child abeg.

You are a mad man you bastard. Don't call another man's land a no man's land anymore. Go and learn manners

Irony1:
Can you just have small sense for once in your life. We are talking about the geo political demarcation of Nigeria in the 60s. Lagos as a capital territory was made to be carved alone and away from Western region. Are you this dull not to understand it. There are Yorubas in Osun and Oyo, but they are different states because of Geo Political demarcation. Try and be sensible and stop arguing like a 5 year-old.

Just like a university was sited in your village and it is not no man's land because of that, it is in the same way that Lagos island or part of it was made FCT and it does not make it a no man"s land. They have right like other lands. How is that difficult for you to understand?. A place that was well defended with cannons in the nineteenth century is a no man's land?. As small as they are they can be a sovereign state. They have more population than some sovereign states. I hope it is now clear to you. Again making anywhere a capital is just location of a government parastatal or institution but it is the biggest one is the only difference. When Nigeria breaks up Abuja will continue as Gwari land and how to hold it together will be Gwari headache.

Irony1:
I think you are the id@@t here. No man's land and referral territory are two different context. The capital territory of Lagos even from the colonial times has always been exempted from being lumped into the western region. The land owners of the Lagos capital territory in the 60s are the lagosians, just as Abuja land owners are the Gwari. You guys are the ones who are not Lagosians that feel threatened when this subject is brought. Bros try and have brain naaaa

Use your brains, Lagosians are Aworis with land in Lagos and Ogun states and have been at nation building for thousands of years. Aworis are Yorubas.

Irony1:
Come are you this dense or just fantastically dull? What we are talking about was in the context of the 60s, it is common sense that the federal capital territory is not tied to a region. You people should have sense when you are arguing, this is just foolishness at its height.

You are the idiot. Being a capital territory makes nowhere a no man's land just like a federal university in your own state does not make your state a no man's land. It is a privilege granted and it does not reduce the right of the landowners or traditional authorities but it helps their economy. It just the location for the admin and for embassies. Nothing more

Irony1:
Simple question you cannot answer you keep shouting igbo greediness. If you ate making excuses for Jakande's no man's land statement then it is no different from what Jaja Wachuku said.

It does not matter who made the statement first actually. The Yoruba equivalent of that statement is Gbogbo WA la leko and NCNC Lagosians will respond Gedegbe leko wa. However the right thing to do is to return the lands to the traditional states Awori Ijebu and Egun and name them appropriately. If civilians were the ones that created states, it would have been done decades ago

LeonSaab:
bla....bla....when they gave birth to you they told your mother to go decide where she wants to stand first abi.....🤣🤣🤣........even when Nigerians give birth abroad and want to bring the child to Nigeria they tell you to go process the child's American papers and Birth certificate before they can issue you a passport.....so it's not a case of you want to kidnap someone's child.....most countries by birth certificate confers citizenship though you will need to process your passport and without it Goodluck getting out the country unless you're prepared to wait years.....

In a new country say Biafra many Yorubas and other Nigerians in their millions who work there, are married there and etc will want certain advantages or privileges available only to citizens and it will be granted only to those deserving. That is how it should be in all countries especially in new countries.

LeonSaab:
you just keep digging yourself deeper....if you give birth to a child in Nigeria will the child be considered a foreign citizen? Will the child wait till aregbesola or the population commission start conferring citizens on foreigners before its considered Nigerian.....I can see your ignorance is starting to unravel and you're seeking to better yourself continue researching I'm here for you.....

Birth alone can not confer citizenship unless the person has no other place to go which means they have no other umbrella to stand under and are obliged to work with where they find themselves. A nation is an individual with a unique destiny and only those aligned with that destiny are the real citizens but of course anybody can be sworn in.

LeonSaab:
all you're doing is estimating with no source.......

Yes estimate is okay. Yoruba are ninety percent of LASG whose spouses are also working.
They are maybe 40 percent of Federal civil service if not more.
Traders will be like seventy percent if all traders are added together.
Artisans will be close to ninety percent
Private schools maybe seventy percent
Almost all petrol stations
More than eighty percent of bakeries
Majority of pure water factories
At least half of people in the transport sector
Hoteliers will be close to eighty percent.
Etc etc etc

43Ronin:
the problem with many yoruba youths today is poverty mentality. Its poverty mentality that will make a hoard of youths say igbos don't sell land to outsiders. many yorubas are in leadership positions in SE civil service, but in yorubaland especially in lagos, tell me how many non-indegene principals we have in lagos state schools, none.

Yorubas who don't go to East are the ones saying what they don't know aided by Igbos who claim land in the East is more expensive than Ikoyi Lagos land. Most Igbos who say no Yoruba in the East are Lagos people or even people staying abroad. When there are no borders against migration there will be a thousand and one reasons why anybody can end up anywhere apart from the fact that the trades they specialize in are needed everywhere

LeonSaab:
I can understand that the census has been geared to favour them.....that's the perception we've all had....but even with its bloated figure their population is nothing to be sneezed at.....even if we go with your population size of 45 Million do you mean to tell me 3Million or more of that cannot be in Lagos.....to give you a full understanding of who I am I used to work in a flour company in Apapa as a treasurer for close to 30 years I interacted with these people day in day out cause they bought in bulk to ship northward I held some of them close and they held me close cause I handled their money in the company account, trust me when I tell you that they have the second highest population in Lagos.....if Lagos was not Yoruba Land they would probably be number 1........

Zone by zone. It will be
SW
NC
SS/SE/NW
NE

That will be the distribution of population in Lagos in descending order

LeonSaab:
source....just a link....or photograph of a newspage....

Just an estimate but the LASG figure is correct give or take a few thousands. The federal civil service figure is a fair estimate too

Irony1:
Chai you people are born liars. So there were no igbos supporting APC? Or they were no Yorubas supporting LP? You people should admit that you have messed up with this bigotry, it doesn't remove anything from you, have shame for once.

There was rigging in every state but some say if not for rigging in Lagos, Igbos would decide the governor. No thread on any other state in the country where some people are saying the owners are not the owner. Not even Abuja. If Yoruba are dragging PH Jos, Kaduna or Onitsha like that, the owners will not like it. There is no need for such and Igbos in Lagos are not more by percentage than Yoruba in PH, Kaduna or Jos by investment, population or property. To mix everything up is not desirable at all, it would be a mess. Igbos have enough land to have more than half of Britain on their land since the population is there. Then focus on that and cooperate with others in other places. Any Igbo outside Igbo land is on his or her own ditto for Yoruba, Hausa and etc. There is population in Igbo land and if you open any business there you will sell. If you migrate out of the plaçe then Yoruba, Hausa, Chinese and etc will replace you and they will prosper. What then is the rationale behind going to another person's land in the 21st century to cause any kind of discussion or debate about ownership?. Even some middle eastern countries with majority foreigners still maintain their identity.

LeonSaab:
you have been to Lagos.....I was born and Live in Lagos.....Lagos transformed in front of My eyes from the Military Era of Gowon down to the Governorship of Sanwo Olu......and I'm telling you the Hausa Population alone in Lagos is Closer if not more than 20% infact they make up the heavy set of cheap labour in the state, they come cause they know they can always get daily Job compared to any other state....over the years they have settled and formed communities of their own.....and you dragging a stat from before the civil war doesn't help your case.....igbo population in Lagos is 15% or less in Lagos.....even Joe igbokwe that was saying that igbos make up half of Lagos knows he was just running his mouth.....

Lagos is 20 million residents with say 5 million workers

LASG 500,000
FG - 100,000
Transport sector- 200,000
Organized Private sector 3,500,000
Trading 500,000
Artisans- 200,000

Total 5,000,000

Dependants 15,000,000

Irony1:
Can you stop all this goal shifting and subtle gaslighting. The person who started calling Lagos a No Man's land was Lateef Jakande a Yoruba man. And again what do you mean by Political interest, so are you saying all Yorubas must vote APC in Lagos? Come I really don't get you guys, so it is a crime for igbos to vote for whom they want to vote. Who told you that All Yorubas in Lagos want to vote APC that you can say it is their political interest? Madam you are too big for this display of foolishness. Just hide your faces in shame at the level of bigotry you guys are showing. Igbos don't care who you are in the east

It would be wrong for all Yorubas in Anambra to gang up in one party against Igbos. That would be war by other means. Yorubas in Anambra are serving Igbo people

Eriokanmi:
Abolition of state of origin isn't the issue here. It won't even work in a country like ours cos of our makeup as a people. But if we can nip tribalism in the bud, just as our forefathers had done, and had a progressive nation, we'd be fine. The present generation of politicians have destroyed a lot of things by toeing that path. No tribe is exempted, cos of their selfish interests.

It got so bad that, despite seeing the obvious, once they see you supporting a candidate other than someone from your tribe, they say you're from that tribe . They could go as far as destroying your property or threatening your life. What an act of desperation. I've seen siblings who belonged to different political parties in the past and no issues.

This thing you people are calling tribalism is nationalism. You have to love yourself before loving other people. Any other way is invalid. Ijesa on its own is a nation. It is as populated as some European nations. Why should that identity be abolished?. Is there a benefit in mixing everything without boundaries?. Even between husband and wife there must be boundary

Usenokpevbo:
There is no where that has been from 1921 the population of the Igbos has always been more than that of the Yorubas, the Yoruba only seem to have more people in the Uk, USA,Canada. In Europe, the Igbo and Edos collectively knock them out. Yoruba can’t be more than 40 million in Nigeria. Don’t let the population of Lagos deceive you. Yorubas don’t make up to 40% of the population of Lagos state.

Yoruba will be around eighty percent of the population of Lagos state. Other Yoruba cities have been depleted into Lagos over decades. Ibadan was more than three times of Lagos. Abeokuta, Ogbomoso, Ilesa, Ilorin were all much bigger than Lagos

The Yoruba population in Nigeria will be around seventy million excluding some Afemmai, Nupe, Ebira and others who speak Yoruba as a second language and have been doing so for centuries abd excluding Itsekiri and Aniocha North. Igbo is a maximum of 35 million in SE and SS. Therefore the rate of travelling of both groups are the same in most countries but wrong population figures in Nigeria is the cause of the confusion. Any city on Earth where population census is not or can not be rigged will see the population of Nigerian Yoruba to be around double of the Igbo population