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Avicenna: Thank 'God' , he wasn't beheaded.

Ignorant people. Always doing 'God's work' for him. Their powerless God who can't do his own work.

This can happen in Nigeria. David Mark may just wake up and criminalize atheism. 'It is against my christian faith' is the justification. All the muslims will fall in line.
Reason and logic is endangered.

Yep, it is a sad thing. However, I think atheist groups are becoming more and more powerful. They will help the young man.

There is also nothing like Christ Embassy church. Christ Embassy is just one of the hundreds of protestant churches that can trace their origin to a man or men.

The catholic church can trace their origin back to the first century. Can you do that with your Christ Embassy?

snubish: I knew I would get a sincere reply.


So we can safely conclude that atheism would not bring prosperity or development to Nigeria.


If u were based in Nigeria here you would know that the occult is real. e.g from actions of people that have no scientific background to create an illusion, such as suspending things in thin air against gravity.


AND I assume u dream about women a lot. cheers.

Of course, atheism alone can not bring prosperity and development. If you had bothered to read my comments, you wouldnt be acting like you debunked my thread. Atheism and secularism however, are prerequisites for a developed and free country.


I am Nigerian and have lived in Nigeria most of my life. You and my illiterate neighbours in the village are both afraid of voodoo that doesnt exist. Have you ever seen somebody disappear or levitate with your own eyes? Why are babalawos poor if they have power?

snubish: @logicboy


can u honestly reply the following questions.

1. which is the 1st, then following step in the sequence of events;
a country becomes "developed"(economic prosperity, higher standard of living etc.), then tends towards atheism, OR

2. a country has a significant atheist population, then the country gets "developed", LASTLY


3. what is your opinion on supernatural/metaphysical occurrences e.g. black magic, voodooism, witchcraft, magic for entertainment(the David Copperfield kind)etc. have u personally experienced any of these, or do u know people who have.
also some people have vivid dreams i.e their dreams foretell eventual future occurrences, or closely do so.


personally, I feel people tend towards atheism when their living conditions are improved, and as such u have the poorest countries of the world being the most religious, and u find most atheists being people in the middle to high classes of society. note that there are exceptions to this, but this seems to be the general trend.

Your first question is a good question. I have thought about it as well. I think it goes both ways.

First, a religious country can grow in trade and economic standards but freedom and proper human development come with secular laws. We can see rich religious countries like Saudi Arabia having lower income per heads and less freedom than smaller European countries. America and Britain were very religious at first until the 20th century.


Secondly, When there is information, freedom and prosperity, atheism grows because the average man is free to express himself and the flaws of religion is out there for every one to see. I became an atheist on the internet. I read about christianity/islam and slavery. I read about the lack of evidence for God and I read about evolution.



As for magic or voodoo, they are only tricks or illusions. Magic is not real.


Dreams are not supernaural. They could be powerful coincidences. I had a dream about a chubby girl that liked me. 2 months later, I was dating a chubby girl. Coincidence. The UK is suffering from obesity.

buzugee: NICE ONE CHIEF.

Hmmm Buzugee, any scriptural support?

Foolish things about your story;


1) There is no mention of those in other religions or those that do not know about christianity. Where are the muslims, hindus, bhuddhists, agnostics etc? Your story is that of a bigoted christian

2) The old man gave birth to a murderer. The old man is a bad father. Instead of stopping the murderer totally, he lets the murderer (violence) to kill once in a while

3) Christianity has been the most violent religion in history. Get a clue.

caezar: Also, there's nothing factual about atheism. Even evolutionary theory does not disprove God. No one has a sound theory for the origins of the universe.

Atheism is a factual statement- there is no evidence to believe in God. Or do you have evidence for God?

Your God has the same evidence as the tooth fairy

caezar: I'm not even going to read the link. You make this too easy logicboy. First off, nothing you've said "debunks" my counter arguments. Secondly, the British Monarchy did not gain control of Nigeria until the 19th century. Thirdly, before you go blaming Christians for the slave trade (just because that was the religion of the monarch in control - *shaking my head*) you have to remember who was supplying them with the slaves in the first place. We were the ones selling ourselves off; we have just as much blame. And this goes to the heart of part of my argument: human beings are cruel and will commit horrible crimes given half the chance, with or without religion. Religion is in fact, the best form of control.

I always meet shameless black people like you who are ready to be racist towards thier own black race rather than tell the truth about christianity. Were slaves ever sold as a commodity in West Africa before Europeans and Arabs came? No. My tribe for instance, killed other tribes or villages in war but never used them for slavery or sold them. Furthermore, there was little reason for slaves a man would use his 4 wives and 10 children to work on his farm in those days in Nigeria.
Furthermore, there were Jews that collaborated with the Nazis in selling out their own people. Do we blame Jews for the holocaust? No. Some people sold out their own people out of fear.

Furthermore, the british were shipping slaves since the 16th century from Nigeria. That is control. You dont get slaves willingly.

Religion is the worst form of control. christians have the highest divorce rates in America. Christians have carried out more religious wars than any other religion. Open your eyes.

caezar: This is personal opinion NOT fact. It's a difficult argument to make because even with all the crimes Christianity is accused of, when I drive out of my house all I see is the good it does to the world.

It is an easy argument to make. Religion has caused the death and suffering of so many people. Maybe when some of your children get molested by priests you will offset it with christian scholarships for other children.

What is the cost of a life? Religion has molested and killed many people. Religion divides and discriminates. The very reason why you cant see this is because of the biased nature of religion. "my religion is good". Even your bible contains genocide, sexism and slavery which it all supports.

caezar: I think you underestimate the majority of Christians. I do not read my bible and follow blindly; not all that's in the bible is relevant today and I also believe much of it has been lost in translation so to speak. Frankly, if a voice in my head says to me "Go and sacrifice your Son" I will pray and fire all kinds of spiritual thunder at it. But this is not to say that I do not believe it happened to Abraham, just that it won't be happening to me in this day and age.

Oh, so you know that your bible is quite useless in many parts. Why pick and choose? Is it not meant to be God's words.

The best option is to discard the bible totally.

caezar: Secular charities can be equally, if not even more fraudulent than religious institutions. Every year, I read of at least 3 charities that were defrauding its patrons. I'd rather give to the Catholic church with all its flaws.

Nope. Secular charities dont buy private jets. They dont buy mansions. Registered charities are always monitored. The church gets away with corruption.

caezar: Agreed. But does this mean we've moved the argument forward to degree of damage vs degree of contribution. An endless argument in my opinion. But still...

Nope. The degree of damage is more. Unless you can bring back the dead people that religion cause or "unmolest" a molested child or get the tithe fraudsters all arrested, the damage is far too much more than the contribution.

caezar: The catholic church does not operate only in Nigeria. It may be worth billions, but remember, it has a fellowship of over 1.1 billion by last count.
It has limited funds and capacity to take care of all these people.

Yet, it wastes hundreds of thousands of pounds in conversion in the UK, rather than spend it on poor people in Africa or Asia. Do you realise that the catholic church in Nigeria alone is richer than Oyedepo? Christians dont think far.

caezar: But there is no evidence that this has been for the better. If you've ever met a yob, you would know just why.

Every society has problems. However, some societies are more developed than others and some societies are backwards. The most developed countries are secular and have a significant amount of atheists. The UK is far more advanced than Nigeria.

The UK is slowly throwing away religion. Nigeria should follow suit.

caezar: Let us use a standard accepted by most economists. A quick look through their GDPs on wikipedia (per capita, nominal, what have you) will show that the US is consistently considered to be wealthier and thus more prosperous. The UK has less debt, but less growth. Healthcare is really the only thing it has going for it.
By the way, strength of currency is in no way a measure of prosperity.

What about household income?

http://www.alternet.org/economy/67723

www.nairaland.com/attachments/736759_American_prosperity_myth_jpg29a2e83a0cb0db0513d7e21f69fb6bc8

Avicenna: At all.
I watched a video of them slaughtering someone a while ago. They still manage to justify that in the Modafucking Quran.
I v got something I'm planning. I will start here soon.

Dont worry, you got my support

An Indonesian man has been jailed for his atheist facebook posts

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-06-15/news/32258951_1_religious-hatred-indonesia-human-rights-watch


Atheist groups are launching efforts to support the jailed man.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/atheist-group-launches-efforts-to-help-jailed-facebook-user-in-indonesia-76987/



www.nairaland.com/attachments/736368_Indonesian_atheist_jpgec2ee76a406349a51e6a0b113b995058

Avicenna: I intend to maximize the shock when I out myself. The only thing stopping me is I do not want to kill my mother. She will figure it out herself. When that happens, the shock I will unleash on my religious colleagues......
Hope they reason properly......if they do not manage to slaughter me!

The effect of a religious leader abandoning his faith is far reaching. I will not be surprised if some people deconverts along with him.

Apostacy is not easy.

mazaje: Personally, I don't believe that pastors like Sign Fireman, Benny Hinn, Paula White, Myers, Rev King, Kenneth Copeland etc are christians. . .I believe many of them are atheist but need to continue the scam for the money and fame it provides them. . . .I know of few catholic priest that are atheist. . . .

Yes, a lot of catholic priests become atheists. There is one on youtube that comments on his atheism

musKeeto: Great thread..
BUT a WARNING: The story of Santa Claus should not be read with the carnal mind or literally, it is an allegory...

Favourite christian excuse! Nice one muskeeto

There are 3 types of religious people concerning this article

1) The fundamentalist; He/she will read this article but when it comes to his/her religion and its fairytale, he/she will stop reading and classify the whole thread as blasphemy.

2) The apologist; He/she will read the article and then defend his/her own religious with convoluted logic while calling the other religions fairytales

3) The skeptic; He or she will read the article and ask questions for himself or herself about his/her religion. He or she will now go and do further research on religion and mythology. This is the most honest among the three

ijawkid: Reasons like what

That he got tired of slapping people all in d name of Jesus??...:-)

Yes.

ijawkid: Why do atheists get married??

I thought love was not part of u guys agenda....

Monkeys do not love or maRry......

Why do u get married??

Answer me.....

[img]http://chzmemebase.files./2011/08/memes-cant-tell-if-troll-or-just-very-christian.jpg[/img]

cyrexx: my praises today goes to the Gods of my forefathers, notably Eledumare, Orunmila and Amadioha, who had been[b] illegally dethroned[/b] by Yahweh and Allah. i know that one day one day rational thinking and secular humanism will legally dethrone Allah and Yahweh and send them into the oblivion of superstition, because they deserve to reap what they sow.
amen.

Amen

musKeeto: I know... ;-)

no problem then

Jenwitemi: He will become an "atheism-made man".

Please, stop quoting Oyedepo. The guy is full of nonsense quotes; "a self made man is a self destroyed man". Sense, it doesnt make.

ijawkid: So atheist now waNna talk about marraige....??

Soon logic boy will say atheist marraiges last better than those of christians......SMH..

What do u guys knw about love and marraige??

Abraham married sarah because there was no option........

Any other girl back then wuld have still been abrahams cousin,niece or a relative....

And u know why....stop acting like u don't know.....

U guys skipped all d principles behind marraige recorded under d new covenant formed thru Jesus and dwealt on the then days when life started.........


What ever happened to scriptures like 1 corinthians 6:9 $ 10......

Fornicators and adulterers wuld nt inherit Gods kingdom.......

Besides present day servants of God are christians ........

We follow Jesus foot steps and his principles......

Your ignorance is really starting to irritate me. What do u mean that atheists cant talk about marriage? Pagans and atheists hava been getting married before christianity was even formed. Use your brain.

Christians divorce at a higher rate in America than anyone. Christianity does not ensure a happy marriage. There are happily married pagans, atheists, Jews etc.


As for Abraham, your God was not smart enough to create enough people to avoid inbreeding. What about the other inbreeders after Abraham?

ijawkid: Lmao.....

That's nt me business....

All I'll do is find out why he became 1..

What if it is a good reason that changed him?

Ptolomeus: It is really a real filming of a pastor. Each sign appears, is a joke. For example, when the music starts, the first poster makes the presentation of dance ... "Now let's listen ..." "everybody dance" etc.
Everything they say after is a joke in_ Brazilian slang.
The forum is just for that, to help each other.
We are pleased to help as appropriate.
A hug!

Vamo' arriba la celeste!

Ptolomeus, I am busy this year but if you are willing. I would like to travel to Uruaguay next year. I have never been to south america but I love to travel. There are nice hotels in Montevideo. I have been to Europe (Switzerland and Malta)

Ptolomeus: Hahahaha! The legends are in Portuguese, and I speak it perfectly.
Indeed, signs or legends are a satire.
What the pastor is certainly; real, but legends are just a joke to clowning that the pastor is doing.
Look, there exists a religion called Umbanda, which originated at the beginning of last century in Brazil, with African roots. In this religion, the medium makes the same turns and movements that the pastor.
In Brazil, it is very common for pastors seeking to imitate the religions of African origin. It's really funny video, but if you look in reality is sad.
Your Spanish is very good, dear friend!


Hahahaha! Las leyendas son en portugués, y yo lo hablo perfectamente.
En realidad, los carteles o leyendas son una sátira.
Lo que hace el pastor es cierto, es real, pero las leyendas son una burla justamente a la payasada que el pastor está haciendo.
Mira, existe una religión llamada Umbanda, que se originó a principios del siglo pasado en Brasil, con raíces africanas. En esa religión, los médium realiza esos mismos giros y movimientos que el pastor.
En Brasil, es muy normal que los pastores pretendan imitar a las religiones de raíz africana. Es realmente gracioso el video, aunque si lo analizamos en realidad es triste.
Es muy bueno tu español, querido amigo!

Gracias. The video was funny but I didnt know the meaning!

[quote author=Mr_Anony]LOL, you are not well at all, you need professional help.[/quote]

musKeeto: Lmao, logicBoy u no well o... carry lagos pple drop for New York.. then you go know say no be where you stay matter... na wetin dey stay for inside you matter pass

I am a lagos boy. You didnt know?

fellis: I think some of these pastors are atheists already and just pretend to be one of the Christians in order to fleece them.

I wouldnt be surprised if that is true

Goshen360: Abeg keep quiet...u dey look for person u wan follow play this afternoon. I no get your time and what relevance does the verse you quote got to do with this thread? I have told you many times, I don't waste my time debating issues with you until the day I promised you. Okay.

Sorry! dont vex. I was just talking about sexism in christainity.


No worries. Hallelujah!

cyrexx: impossicant!

how can a man suddenly stop his only source of income great wealth.

you want him to spoil his own business?

People can retire

Enjoy the video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwHv179H3GM

Ptolomeus: Christianity has no doctrine, no central power.
The only common denominator of the shepherds, is the criticism of other religions or theological positions. They say that "everyone else is demonic." That is their only doctrine (the attack)

Every pastor does what he wants. Example: If a pastor thinks is right to make a liberation ceremony included s.ex (excuse the example) one can say that this is right or wrong.
In this context, Pentecostals have taken elements of other religions, for example the Bible. A Christian should be based solely on the New Testament, but that's impossible, because the New Testament is meaningless without the Old Testament, then, pastors must "reinvent" the interpretation of the Old Testament, to be credible version of the New Testament .
They also take elements of traditional African religions, and of course, the Catholic Church.
Nothing original, but very cost effective.

Very true.

Can you translate this video? Puedes traducir este video?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeP6l3JDBrw

Goshen360: @ OP,

Tell me (personally) this is a joke. Until then, I will hold my comment. If you tell me it is true, then I will comment.

Why are you surprised? Are you not a christian? SMH




1 Corinthians 14:34

New International Version (©1984)
women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says.

What if Oyedepo became an atheist?