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Ptolomeus: Dear friend.
You do not need a hotel in Montevideo. You have a friend and also my family. It's just combined, and of course, be an honor having you as a member of my family.

Querido amigo.
Usted no necesita un hotel en Montevideo. Cuenta con un amigo y también con mi familia. Es sólo combinar, y por supuesto, será un honor recibirle como un miembro mas de mi familia.

Vamo' arriba la celeste, querido amigo!

Good. Can you give a list of good 4-5 star hotels in montevideo?

musKeeto: look at this thief man u just dey fly fly up and down...

You of all people should know the joy and learning that comes out of travelling.

[quote author=toba.]Just as God also allowed Jesus his son to be flogged, beaten maimed according to plan. In that regards thats the permissive will.




I knew u were going to take us to this issue of slavery. This is what i'll say. U'll permit me to do some more study regarding the history of slavery to know the role played by Christians in the slavery of our forefathers.

Now that the Christians chose to enslave pple doesn't mean they were ordered by God to do so. Just as i posited above, sometimes we human choose to act overzealously , whilst God sits and watch waiting for the appropriate time to punish offenders. If u study the bible very well, in some instances, the deed would have been done then the reward comes later. David had indirectly killed
Bathsheba's husband before God's wrath came upon him. the emphasized part ans question 2

I wouldnt lie. I will do some study and get back. Ok lets say its true, their conscience could have made them realize that the act of slavery is wrong and as God fearing pple, they chose to apologize for what can be considered as evil in the sight of men and that of God. We dont have any proof that God ordered them to enslave pple.


In addition slavery is still being practised in our today society. Look at Syria. Its now a case of govt enslaving their citizens. can we also say they were ordered by God?

In summary, poo do happen but for u to now vex ur anger on God cos of poo that happened is not correct. Human being is different from God. ok?[/quote]Thanks for your answer. However, the very fact that you didnt know that those churches partook in slavery and apologised says a lot.

Anyways, you seem to think that apologies solve the problem. If I enslaved your children, flogged maimed and worked some of them to death, will a apology suffice for your hurt? Apologies dont bring back the dead.

You also did not answer what God is doing when all these things happen. Have you watched the torture horror movie, Saw? Was God just watching when men were flogging and maiming slaves? Was god just watching when female slaves people were getting raped?

I used to live with Eastern Europeans, some of whom are the most racist and some of whom are the friendliest people on earth. One of them was my best friend. He was a skeptic orthodox christian. He always laughed at Nigerians when they talked about religion and African culture. My European friend said something that really
touched me and that is what I will leave you with.

"I'm a white European but I love black and black African people. They can dance and they have nice food. However, for people to progress as a nation or group of people, they need to have a progressive culture that works for them. History is written by strong and victorious people with dominant cultures that work for them. My country can afford to be christian because our forefathers conquered other people in the name of christianity. Furthermore, after the industrial revolution, my country forgot religion and moved towards a technological and scientific culture that will bring them guns, radios and machinery to both defeat enemies and produce goods for the economy. Black Africans will find it hard to gain respect from others when they accept foreign religions that their slave masters and original users are doing away with. No one respects people who think illogically to go back to ideologies that have failed them and punished them"

That is what he said, not exactly but similar.

BERNIMOORE: @Emmatok



Hmn, yes im young in the christian only that i have been a christian now for almost 4 decades and still happy to continue.

As you can see my replies were directed to some thoughtfull comments on the forum,
i dont see things the way you think,because others are gaining from these,its not about logicboy,he is just only part of the forum,but the interest of others is far more than just one person, ive not engage him although i read his comments,but im only being neutral to anybody until one really shows his color,and i can handle that in different ways,or tottaly ignoring comments without direction.

Unfortunately, many christians like Emmatok are not ready to be patient with atheists

ijawkid: Lol...come now....come to 9ja and rant make u know ur blood group....

All u do is talk.....

Come and run politics witout been part of ogboni...

we'll see ur head sent to ur parents..

Ogbono soup ko.


Abeg, commot with all this your Ogboni talk

Pastor AIO: This Psalm 14 matter is really paining me o!!! It is not so much about avowed atheists but rather about hypocrites that say in their HEARTS that there is no god. you can say in your heart that there is no God yet blast out praises to God with your mouth for all to hear. Yet what is in your heart will manifest in your behaviour. If you practice corruption and various crimes then in spite of your open declaration of God, obviously in your heart you don't believe he exists. That is what makes you a FOOL. The corrupt man, whether he professes religion or not, is a FOOL.




The entire psalm just reminds me of our leaders, religious and secular, in Nigeria. If our leaders are Fools, then that must make us even bigger fools.


But all that is tangential to this topic. In this profile of Hatetheist can we please, OP, try to draw up an understanding of why atheists are behaving the way they do and why there has been a increase in the vocal expression of atheism and, worse still, anti-christianity in the last 10 years.

Are you expecting insight from a copy and paste guy?

Goshen360: I don't hate you and I will never. But you need to grow up, you are too loosed on this board and it's not a good lifestyle even if you are an Atheist, you should just grow up and be a man, Okay. Your Boss, Buzugee is not in today to deal with you.

See, me no get your time. I have precious things to do with my time not going in circles with you. If they/someone explain one thing in the bible to you, you will come up with another fault you are always looking for in the bible (as e be say na soso communion you dey go chop for catholic then when u be church goer for 22 yrs. The day wey communion no dey, you no go go church meaning na communion hunger dey carry you go church. who knows maybe na because of communion u take become church goer in the first place sef, na only God sabi, ). You mind is veiled, turn to the Lord and the veil shall be taken away. You hear me.

LMAO. Goshen, you don craze finish. Communion is a very small and round piece of bread. Eat 50 and you will still be hungry

fellis: I went through a few pages of hajime no ippo on mangareader.net and it looked ok. There was no suspicious anything about it, so why did you say 'no ulterior motives'?

Hajime no ippo is crazy! You have to see the fights. However, there was only one black boxer who was quite fake.

Avicenna: I assume you will also be a hardcore Ps3 gamer!!
Seems like things like that are common among atheists.

One more thing,
Is pork sweet?
I have never eaten it before, you see

Hardcore ps3 gamer indeed! Nairaland is the only thing keeping me off my ps3 now.


As for pork, I hardly eat pork but it is sweet. It is just like beef but a slightly different taste.

The profile of a Skeptic christian and a Christophile


1) A skeptic christian realises that his/her religion is not the only religion in the world and keeps his/her religion personal. A christophile believes that his/her religion is the one true religion and fails to realise that all religions can make that claim. The christophile talks down to people of other religions.

2) A skeptic christian realises that atheists could be right and have suffered harsh persecutions from christianity. A christophile hates atheists and claims that atheists hate christians and Yaweh while hypocritically damning atheists to hell.

3) A Skeptic christian is ready to associate with people of all religions. A christophile will not associate with pagans and wrongly calls them "satanists". Other insults are "god haters", "heathen", "hatethiests" and fools. Psalm 14;1

4) A skeptic christian doesnt make generalizations of other religions because he/she knows that there are good and bad people in every religion including christianity. A christophile belives that all people who dont believe in God are damned and evil. The christophile makes generalisations about atheists but complains when christians are stereotypes. The christophile also calls all atheists fools; loves the bible quote which says;

Psalm 14:1
King James Version (KJV)
14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good

5) The Skeptic christian reads other religious holy books and gets more aware about other religions. The christophile doesnt read the Koran and claims it is nonsense while telling atheists that they dont understand the bible so they are wrong to say that the bible is flawed. The christophile is usually ignorant about other religions

6) The skeptic christian ready to defend and defends his religion with arguments that are on topic. The christophile's best defense is that atheists always insult christianity but never islam. How many islam apostates do you see insulting christianity? They attack Islam, the religion they know better. Eg Hirsi Ali. Rushdie

7) The skeptic christian realises the importance of science and tries to keep his religion while accepting many scientific facts. The christophile is an avowed creationist that says that there is no evidence for evolution and that evolution is pseudo-science while proclaiming the virgin birth and resurrection of Christ which are both unscientific and have no concrete evidence to prove them.


The skeptic christian is willing to understand that not everyone sees homosexuality as a sin and is ready to allow homosexuals to live their lives- they dont judge the sinner. The christophile is ready to call gay people "sinners and perverts" or an "insult to the sanctity of marriage" while quoting the old testament. The hypocrisy of the christophile is that the christophile forgets that christians have the highest divorce rates (in America) and that the old testament has polygamy and incest.

careytommy: Saw this on a website and decided to share...

5.The atheist adheres to science, but understands and recognizes its limits, whereas the hatetheist is a devotee to scientism. If the faith of scientism is new to you, see what the limits of science are in a recent blog post of mine.

Millions of atheist are not science "adherents". That is a stereotype. Scientism is not limited to atheists. Any person, from any religious background can engage in scientism

careytommy: Saw this on a website and decided to share...


7.The atheist’s actions are ones that are secure in that they will not lash out in irrational ways to thoughts of theism. Christianity is not threatening in that way, and they find no need to interject themselves into a Christian’s worship or their special days to interrupt them. The hatetheist, on the other hand, exhibits very insecure activity such as launching billboard promotional ads during seasons where their worldview is most threatened such as Christmas and Easter.

Copy and paste arguments always fail

@ the bold part;

-Easter and Christmas are no christian holidays.
-Many businesses and organisations place ads and billboards during the holiday period. Complaining about atheists is just silly.
-Ironically, it is the christians that feel threatened on christmas by atheist ads. No atheist is forcing you not to enjoy christmascelebration

Goshen360: Ijawkid,

My candid advice for you is stop wasting your precious time with someone who knows the truth but just looking for loop holes in the word of God. The guy is simple depressed and looking for people to play around with on the Internet. You guys are giving him room to express his carnality on this thread. If I were you, Ijawkid, I will rather go use my precious time for something better because this logicboy01 will keep taking you in circles and wasting your time. If you have nothing better to do, go sleep and refresh yourself or do something better with your time. Thank you.

Hi hater

I'm depressed? How christian of you.

toba: up Germany on thursday

Yes! England lost!! Goood!



Back to the discussion;

So, as a Nigerian you believe, that God just sits down and watches 15 year old girls get messed up by chiefs and politicians? God just sat and watches as christianity was supporting the slaqvery of our forefathers? If there is a bad moderator, Seun can fire or caution the moderator. God just sits and watches Kunta Kinte flogged and getting maimed (cut off his feet) for wanting his freedom.

My second question; how do you feel when you realise that christianity was in support of the slavery of our forefathers who were pagans. God was just watching as some black slaves were packed like sardines into slave ships and some were thrown in the ocean to drown when there was too little space or too much weight?
How do you feel when all the major churches apologised for their involvement in slavery, the catholic, anglican, baptists and others?

Uyi Iredia: There are some pretty bold atheists & some very bold Christians whold won't mind living with someone on the opposite side. However, there was a certain atheisy who bragged as if he wasn't scared. I challenged him to give me his facebook page, that is after I had given my own. The poor dude declined the offer and continued yapping. I like the topic though, it says some not all.

Lol....see this guy. lol....giving your facebook page to strangers!

ijawkid: Chei logic boy I just don't knw what to do with u......

U need serious cane......

So u have a problem with submissiveness but forgot about the word LOVE that husbands are told to display....

Self sacrificing LOVe.......

Ur just a bigot and a trouble maker.....

I asked 2good who iis d head of his house...

And I'ma ask u too.....

Who will be d head of ur family mr logic boy when u get married??..

We will be equal in marriage.

No head, no tails. Just one in marriage

Avicenna: You like Naruto too?!! Ha, seems every atheist here is a naruto fan. I m addicted to the freaking thing.

Me too!

fellis: What if am actually some old alhaja? Can old alhaja not also watch Naruto?

Naruto is the one eating ramen noodles with pork not me, so that isn't going to stop me from watching it.

Sorry, just pulling your leg!

ijawkid: @logic boy...

Please look up this scripture...

It seems when u were u a catholic u never read them.....

Ephesians 5:21-33

21 Submit to one another out of reverence for
Christ.
22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own
husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the
husband is the head of the wife as Christ is
the head of the church, his body, of which he is
the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to
Christ, so also wives should submit to their
husbands in everything.
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ
loved the church and gave himself up for her
26 to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the
washing with water through the word, 27 and
to present her to himself as a radiant church,
without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish,
but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way,
husbands ought to love their wives as their
own bodies. He who loves his wife loves
himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their
own body, but they feed and care for their
body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for
we are members of his body. 31 “For this
reason a man will leave his father and mother
and be united to his wife, and the two will
become one flesh.”[b] 32 This is a profound
mystery—but I am talking about Christ and
the church. 33 However, each one of you also
must love his wife as he loves himself, and the
wife must respect her husband.


What do u deduce from those words of paul??l

Your guy, Paul did not tell husbands to submit but told the wives to submit. Sexist

toba: u are correct, there's injustice almst everywhere in Nigeria. Even my boss smetimes act injustly to me. However, u must knw that this injustice cuts accross all beliefs just that thse that act mre unjustly are the so called religious pple.

NB
we cant thrw away the baby and the bath water. what we shd ask is, will God or is God pleased with these BS thats happen? if its nt God, then we shdnt vex our towards God. Even in church tday, pple do irrationally but did God send then.

A good example is a case of a moderator misbehaving, u can ask did the forum owner send him/her? u cannt be angry with the sended cos the deliverer failed to act within the confinement f the message.

I am coming back with more.....just lemme finish the England match

ayobase: He is not even expressing it.....he doesnt know which is which....an atheist will be able to break Bible down with relevant verses LOGICALLY, but he.....
He is not up to the task...he shld go learn from Soyinka and d likes before coming to disturb the peace of NL....he is not even on point....just in a gaseous state!

If you notice, you were the one spouting lies and illogical things.


You put a baseless accusation on the Corinth women.

You claim that this quote is not sexist;

1 Corinthians 14:34
New International Version (©1984)
women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says

Ovaiegbe: You guys should stop antagonising Logicboy01. he may be ignorant, misguided, or outrightly whatever but he still has a right to an opinion and the right to express it. There are a thousand and one schools of thought in the world and we can not be fighting or cursing simple because the other man thinks differently. Do not forget it is God's prerogative to save.

Look at this religionist calling someone "ignorant and misguided"


Where is the evidence for you God?

ayobase: That just defined how sparsely you could think!
U are not worthy to be an atheist...believe me....its better u r just a misnomer!
Going into ''slave'' will do harm to ur brain cell......who are those living around Isreal?

lol.....Is it aching you that your bible is being exposed?

ayobase: Stop picking?
Tot u were picking also!
Mixing the Bible?
What do u know about it?
Address the quote?
How many times are they gonna explain to u?
Are u slow in learning!

I can afford to pick the bible as I do not believe in it. I can pick evil quotes to show christians that their bible is immoral as well. When they claim that I put quotes out of context, I challenge them to then explain the quote in context and they fail- always.


Here is a nice quote;

Leviticus 25:44
"'Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

toba: point of correction, u werent born against 'god' u decided to leave 'god' because u felt unhappy about something. u were born into a christian home.

Toba, as a mature man. How can you believe in God with all the injustice in Nigeria we have both seen? I am not arguing with you. You are not the type that loves to argue. I am talking with you man to man (no homo).

ayobase: He is just been making fool of himself!
He is not even a qualified atheist!

What am I? An unqualified atheist?


Use google to your advantage and read about how christianity came to Nigeria. Start questioning your religion.

fellis: ^^^O

Hm. I started taking interest in Naruto some time ago but am having second thoughts now, since it converts people to atheism.

huh? I thought that you were some old alhaja..... Sorry

Good to hear that you watch naruto! japan is an atheistic country....64% dont believe in God. Also, Naruto loves ramen which is normally served with chicken or pork

ijawkid: Why shuld I kill myself??

If she earns more than I do I'll be happy for her.....

That's nt a problem to me.....

But when it comes to making decisions and
Exercising authority in d family that responsibility rests on d man.....




U still dnt get it do u??


These arrangement of head ship only brings about peace and harmony.. .....

It is this same pattern of arrangement that has made Jesus always obedient to his Father rather than trying to feel he is equal to him anÐ that .is why they arÉ in agreement...


I never look down on women,that I learnt from d bible....

But there r principles that governs how d christian congregation shuld be run for smooth results......

Shows that you're poor and not experienced. You can not control someone who is richer than you for long. Never, either you are equal or the richer person is on top or you get dumped.


Equality is d way forward.

You say that you respect women, yet you believe that women are secondary to men. What is the difference between you and a polygamist?

ijawkid: If u dnt believe in d existence of adam and eve then what am I doing with u??

Its complete waste of time....

Its guys like u that ur wife will boss around.....

That's why d western world is so damn lawless...

No respect for headship....

I believe in equality. You can beat your wife and tell her to cook for you everyday and call you "daddy". Your choice.


The western world is lawless? See this Ijaw man talking out of ignorance. I have seen men beating their wives while police is begging the man to stop. "oga no vex". Do you know how politicians get away with nonsense in Nigeria?


Your Ijaw people are suffering from corruption and lawlessness as politicians are stealing oil money and you are there calling the west lawless? Epic dummy!


Sorry for the insults but I can not see my fellow naija delta boy fecking up!

toba: im happy for u

I am not born again.


I am born against god and religion. Amen