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I would let my children play with other kids irrespective of religion. As long as my children are not used for sacrifice.

caezar: Clearly, and this is because your are an atheist fanatic. Your form of atheism is just another religion, sadly without a god.

Wow, because I like debates and say that there should be more atheists in Nigeria, I am fanatic? Epic fail plus hyprocrisy!

If I am a fanatic, what does that make the millions ofchristians who preach on buses and on public squares or go to people's front door to push propaganda? I only debate on the internet. Furthermore, when christians preach right here on the internet and Nairaland, I dont see people calling them "fanatics".

Why would you call me a fanatic? Because I enjoy debating?

Furthermore, an "atheist fanatic" is almost an oxymoron. You cant exactly be a fanatic for a factual position or disbelief. There is no evidence to believe in a God- that is the postion. What you mean to say is "anti-religious fanatic" which would still not apply to me. I do not hate religions, I just want people to question their religion. Most people who honestly do that become atheists or agnostics.

caezar: First and foremost, what is Stockholm syndrome doing in this comment? Perhaps you do not understand the term. I have not been kidnapped by the British, never was. Furthermore, I did not mention the British in the comment you quoted, so introducing them into the argument is clearly an effort to move the post. In fact, I am forced to assume you are referring to the British because otherwise the comment makes absolutely no sense. Please stick to what I have said and do not bandy big words about, they do not make you seem more knowledgeable and I am not susceptible to argument by innuendo.

Stockholm syndrome does not only apply to kidnapping scenarios. Please, think deeper and go and learn how Stockholm syndrome is used in modern English. What I am trying to say is that praising religion for education is quite wrong as religion has done much harm to education in Nigeria's case. You are praising it for some of its contributions to education when it has done a larger damage to education in the bigger picture.

caezar: Now to your point. The 388 years between 1471 and 1859 are completely irrelevant to the argument! Note that I am not challenging your facts. Did Portuguese Christians really visit Nigeria in 1471? Was the first school really built in 1859? Doesn't matter. Because a prima facie examination of your statement shows how ridiculous it is! How many Portuguese Christians actually landed in Nigeria in that time? How much influence did they wield? How long did they stay? Were they present during all of those 388 years? Even further, how many schools were being built back in Portugal at that time? You're talking about a period when education, even in the developed world, was not considered important for common peasants but a privilege reserved for the nobility. So what does it matter that they didn't build any schools in that period

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_oldest_schools_in_the_United_Kingdom#Former_.28non-extant.29_schools
There have been schools in England since the 11th cenutry. There were grammar schools in the 15th century in the UK. There were christian founded secondary schools in the 16th century. Your christians and christian led monarchy felt that schools were not needed in Nigeria for over 300 years. The first school in Nigeria was the Church Missionary Grammar school in 1859. Apparently, slaves did not need schools. Why was it after the abolition of slavery that schools in Nigeria sprung up?

Please learn about history before you praise christians for anything. Christianity does a lot of good but it is always overshadowed by its evils.

caezar: That said, I am fully aware of the Portuguese tyranny - partly in the name of Christianity - back in the 15th century, before they were overrun by the British. But your argument is still flawed because this occurred over 500 years ago. Are you suggesting that we should abandon religion today for its failures 500 years ago? That’s ridiculous.

I never suggested that we should do that. The actions of christians might have been watered down and changed but the bible remains the same. I ask people to question their religion. Atheism has no books or laws or rules or standards on evangelism. We do not do evangelism. Just read your bible and question its stance on slavery and scientific facts. How can we teach our children facts when we rely on a bible that treats evidence and myth as the same?

caezar: My point referenced present day events. Things you and I can witness for ourselves. If you want to rebut, focus on what I have said!!! This is a rookie mistake going back 500 years and not considering the unique circumstances in place at that time. This is why I say you need a history lesson.

Now to the next point. The number of secular schools outnumber religious schools. Another irrelevant point. I am not arguing that religion educates more people or provides more schools for us in Nigeria. No. My point is that religion makes a significant contribution to Nigerian society so please don't say it has failed Nigeria. By that reasoning, you would have to excise many elements of our society that are causing a glut, including our judiciary, local governments etc well before you got to religion.

This also applies to your point about your village. Is the Catholic church supposed to be building infrastructure for Nigeria Nawa O! Yet, the Catholic church makes a significant contribution to Nigerian society even though that is not its responsibility. Please revisit that church you attended for 22 years and ask around. You will find a few people that the church has empowered and whose lives it made better.

"destroying the lives of other children with their teaching on condoms and accusation of witchcraft". Now you're just grasping at straws. Ignoring the non sequitur, ignoring the straw man, even ignoring the falsity of your statement, you must realize that this argument concedes to my argument. You are saying that the church does more damage than it does good. But for that argument to succeed you must first accept that the church does good; it makes a significant contribution to society. If you want to proceed with the next logical argument, I am happy to show that the church does indeed contribute more to society than it takes from it.

You claim that relgion makes a significant contribution and I counterclaim that religion make a more significant destruction on our society despite the good contributions. That is my claim. I did not make any fallacy.

You claimed that religion helps in some remote areas and I gave instances where they dont. No fallacy there

Furthermore, secular chairities can do the same. We see it everytime in the UK and America. Secular charities and foundations give but unlike churches, they dont take back in excess. Tithes, offerings, controlling governments, propaganda etc.

There are lives that catholic church has ruined. Pedophilia, wrong teachings on condoms and sexual repression. The catholic church is worth billions yet millions of catholics in Nigeria remain poor. The Catholic church is a government on its own when you think about the vatican. Why not build self supporting models?

Solar powered irrigation for African farmers so that you dont have to feed them every month that there is drought, No, the church wants them indebted to the chruch so that they will praise the church every month when the church gives them grains every month.

caezar: I gave you that one.

But your argument is still flawed. It is true, that the Catholic and Protestant churches were a bit irresponsible in events leading to the genocide. It is true that the churches failed to denounce the killings quickly and early on. It is also true that the churches were engaged in ethnic politics before the genocide.
But it is not true that religion was responsible for the genocide. On this, there is a general agreement. In fact, if Rwandans had been 100% atheist, the genocide would still have occurred because like I said in my previous post, atheism does not cure illiteracy, ignorance and fanaticism!
And here we arrive at the flaw in your argument. No one is saying that religion is perfect. Religion is flawed. And if you took a cross section of all the world’s societies, great and small, you would see that religion has a strong influence on their economies, their politics, policies, laws etc. And you will find that some of it is good, some of it is bad.
However, what you are doing is making a sweeping generalisation that religion is completely bad/useless based on some of its bad qualities. What about the good qualities? What about the really good contributions that religion had made over its long history and continues to make to this day? For instance, in Rwanda, many Muslim and Christian clergy harboured and protected Tutsis even at risk to their own lives. This is a contribution from religion. This is the same thing I have been arguing against and that I have repeated time and time again: religion makes a significant contribution to society.

And that’s why I call you an atheist fanatic. You either do not understand how to make a logical argument (ironic considering you go by the handle logicboy) or you are intentionally bashing religion through the use of non sequiturs.

I never said that religion is totally bad. Religion is both good and bad but it does more harm than good. End of story. You are wrong to call me a fanatic

caezar: Please re-examine your statements. You want to preserve culture right? And you think eliminating religion is the way to do it. That’s what you started with. Now you say “Christianity is known to destroy culture” (again this is another generalisation but I will not challenge it now). Then you use culture and religion interchangeably saying “religions can not stand other religions. Even in the bible, idols of other nations got destroyed”. What do you want to destroy and what do you want to preserve? If you say contemporary religion should be destroyed, then those idols should be destroyed along with them. If you want to preserve culture then contemporary religions should be preserved along with those idols. Religion and culture are very much intertwined my friend.

If you really want to preserve the idols of our past, then the way to do it is through the state. Our government has failed in the preservation of our ancient culture, not religion.

But what if the state is religious? I do not want to eliminate religion. I just want more skeptics/atheists. if 15-20% of Nigerians were atheists, it would be okay.

caezar: Sometimes, I don’t even know where to start in dissecting your arguments. Your logic is often so riddled with holes it seems pointless. This must be the real reason people do not argue with you on the forums.
i) What are you doing comparing a US statistic with UK population. There is no correlation or relevance to your argument!
ii) Using your flawed logic, your statistics can be used to show that atheism is not good for the state! Of the two countries, US and UK, the US is the more prosperous and more powerful. If you want to argue there is a correlation between levels of atheism and levels of prosperity (as you have done) then the fact that the US has fewer atheists and is more prosperous than the UK should in fact show that atheism is bad for the country!
But this is not true in either case. Your logic and the one I have just presented above are both wrong because a statistical correlation does not translate to a causal relationship!

You were the one that used America as a strawman. You brought up America first. You mentioned America in reply to my point that UK is doing away with religion.

I compared the populations just to show that atheism is not as small in America as many people suggest. That was it.


The fact still remains that the people who developed christianity in our country are throwing it away. Fact. The UK is very secular nd has a lot of atheists.


"prosperous" is an ambigous word. To say that America is more prosperous that the UK can be problematic. The UK has less debt and a better healthcare system for its people. America wins on the size of its economy and it's trading ability. However, the British pound is stronger (almost double) than the American dollar.

caezar: I did not use the word ‘build’. I said founded. Please look in the dictionary for the difference. And once again, you have shown how little you know about history. These countries were founded in the middle ages as part of a series of failed efforts to unite Europe under one Christian empire. Britain for instance was already a powerful nation long before slavery, the discovery of the Indians or imperialism. It was long after, in the 16th and 17th century that the British Empire was born and the East India Company was founded.

"Founded" doesnt change the fact that America's founders cheated the native indians and had black slaves. It still doesnt change the fact that the Royal family at that time had bllod and slavery on it's hands as new lands were conquered in the name of the Queen/King.

caezar: Then please have the courage to speak the truth in its entirety.

Follow your advice and speak the truth about the evils of religion. People are tired of apologists' propaganda when religion is killing people.

[quote author=Atheist:-D]Gravity is interesting. I know some people who still argue today that gravity does not exist

Viruses and their constant mutations to avoid eradication, subatomic particles.... The list is endless. The more we learn of evrrything the less believable religion is.[/quote]I think that if people were to make effort by themselves alone to look up these things on the internet, they would have solid dobts about their religion

Mr Anony,


You are like a glutton for punishment. You enjoy being debunked. I will not feed your fetish any more.

I have established my points;


-Atheism will reduce the child abuse done to children accused of witchcraft, reduce the tithing frauds and reduce division along religious lines.
-Sharia law is not secular.

We shouldnt just argue for argument sake.

You self, have doubts about the christian religion. It is Frosbel and Olaadegbu that need my debunking.

logicboy01: Of course. I will teach my children the 3 major realigions and show them the flaws in them.

Are you not teaching your children to be bigots?

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Thanks!

2good: This is not true. Within Christendom, you have alot of denominations(Catholic, Pentecostal, Jehovah's witness, 7th days Adventist, Mormon,etc) that are competing for superiority. A friends wife (who is a Jehovah's witness) was sacked from her job because she refused to attend a religious program organised by her boss because of her religion. Even in Islam, you have the Shia, Sunni, Wahhabi etc. Religion will always divide people

I made the same point. I have no idea why Mr Anony cant see the flaw in his statement

Dawkings is great

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Praise Gandalf!

[quote author=Mr_Anony]I like how you seem to believe that anytime you open your mouth, a debunking comes out....it's adorable[/quote]Awww thanks!

[quote author=Mr_Anony]In the same way, all atheists don't necessarily agree on everything. All it takes is a few radical atheists of differing opinions and you have a bloodbath.
Besides I can also argue that for the kind of utopia you are proposing, all will have to believe exactly the same thing so for instance if Winners chapel church was the only church in Nigeria there will be less division.
The truth of the matter is that human beings will always find something to disagree about no matter their theological stance.[/quote]Wrong. Atheists disagree on many things but we dont disagree on a dangerous thing called religion. One less reason to be divided because of atheism.

As for only Winners Chapel, churches always separate and get fragmented from the inside. That is how we have protestants who all came from the catholic church. That is how some winners chapel pastors have left to other churches. Some pastors want their own private jets.

I am not asking for everyone to be atheist, just a significant percentage of 15-20%.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Again as I said, secularism is different from atheism. Now it is not necessarily religions that regulate businesses, businesses will still be regulated and still "suffer" as long as there is a government. For instance businesses like prostitution an cocaine trafficking are still suffering in what you would consider secular countries. Or are you proposing that an atheist country will simply legalize every business possible?[/quote]Nope. Wrong. The cons of cocaine outweigh the pros. Simple. Secular governments dont ban things just because they are immoral, religious people do. Secular governments use a system of precedence and pros/cons for the society. If people can argue their case for the pros, then it will be put into law. Gay people earned their rights.


There is very little difference between secularism and atheism. An atheist is always secular. A secular government is not ruled under God.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Yes the specific type of child abuse because of witchcraft will be gone I agree but the problem is not the reason excuse for child abuse but the child abuse itself. Child abuse will still go on but under a different guise.[/quote]Dont argue for argument sake. Stop this annoying habit. Atheism reduces a specific type of child abuse and therefore it reduces child abuse in general. End of story.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Of course since there are no churches, fraudsters can't take advantage of tithing anymore. they'll just move on to a different hustle that's all. The problem is not the method of the fraud but fraud itself.[/quote]Same with the child abuse argument. Atheism reduces a type of fraud and therefore reduces fraud in general. End of story.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Really? what's the name of the communist god?[/quote]The same as the Buddhist God. None.

You really need to read a lot.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, funny enough when I first stated questioning religion as a youngster, it was because I learnt about evolution in secondary school. I believe evolution is taught well enough, anymore and it'll be indoctrination[/quote]Lies. I went to the two best schools in Nigeria. Atlantic hall and Grange. Evolution was taught haphazardly. We were only taught the kinds of man; homo erectus, homo habilis etc. They didnt teach us the theory behind it.



[quote author=Mr_Anony]I never said what you are implying. African slavery is taught well enough already. What you seem to want teachers to do is to directly blame religions for slavery and that is not honest. It is similar to saying "let us blame democracy for the second world war since most of the countries that fought were democratic".[/quote]I never learnt African slavery in school because history was optional. The people that were taught eg my parents were not taught about the christian influence. Had to debunk my own parents (heartbreaking experience) about christian influence in African slavery.

Religion played a part in the slavery. To omit that is wickedness and injustice.

Your theory of blamind democracy is not entirely wrong. My father taught me that democracy is rule of the mob. Mob rule. That is a fact. Democracy is not always fair. You need some rules in place to make sure that the minorities are not discriminated against in certain areas.

You see, I debunk you because I have a sound background. What I did not learn from school, I learnt from educated parents, what I did not learn from parents, I learnt from the internet. Use the internet and soon, you would be debunking me. I dont know everything.

Oh, and before you call me an arrogant atheist, I clearly said that I dont know everything



[quote author=Mr_Anony]Please give examples of these laws in the Nigerian constitution that supports a religion especially one religion over another[/quote]Err....ehem....Sharia law? When government money is used to pay for pilgrimage?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/individuals/giving/gift-aid.htm[/quote]You lied as usual. Your link shows that charities (not churches) get a 20% deductable tax bonus from donations. 20% of your tax money doesnt go to churches or charities.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]If you can share 50/50, you can share 20/20/20/20/20 there isn't a big problem here.[/quote]Exactly, why should the government limit anything marriage? Both multiple wives and multiple husbands should be allowed including group marriages. There is no real defence for criminalizing polygamy other than these countries have a christian background[/quote]How do you share one house into 20/20/20/20/20? Share it into 5 parts between one man and 4 wives?

Nope polygamy makes civil laws on marriage impossible. How much child support can one man pay if he divorces 6 wives? How do you share property equally among six wives if there is no will?

If there is no limit on amount of wives to get married to, then how about a man getting married to 60 wives? How do you start taxing such a family? That is 61 people who can engage in tax avoidance and evasion due to their ability to transfer assets and cash within themselves.

What about the effect on the society? Depression of spouses who dont get enough time with their husband/wives because of the demand of other fellow wives/husbands? Children of the 20th wife who get neglected by their father. Incest between step brothers and sisters or stpe uncle and aunties on the rise. BRRRRR!! I am shivering from such a nightmare!

Stop thinking like a man in the village.


[quote author=Mr_Anony]Actually Amish laws have been known to go against the constitution a few times (case in point: the Amish beard cutting saga http://fresnobeehive.com/opinion/2012/04/amish_trial_shines_spotlight_o.html )
I have no problem for sharia law existing for muslims, where I have problems is when sharia law is elevated to the status of state law. that is unconstitutional. To the best of my knowledge, our Nigerian constitution is as secular as it gets.[/quote]Lies. Damn lies. You're giving me a headache. Your link doesnt show such.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, how adorable......It seems you just like to throw the word "debunking" around.[/quote]Awww! thanks

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Atheism will not end child abuse, will not end frauds, will not end conflicts it will only allow them to be re-branded so it hasn't solved any problems at all.
It doesn't matter in whose name the crime is committed, what matters is that the crime is not committed at all.
I think freedom of religion is still our best bet so far.[/quote]Straw man. I never said that atheism will totally eliminate fraud or child abuse or conflicts. Only reduce them.

uhonmora: Not accepting the scientist's explanation of the origins of the earth doesnt mean christians have been brainwashed. They have as much right to believe in God as the creator just as you do to believe in the big bang theory.

One question, why would they accept everything else.....theory of gravity, germ theory etc?

uhonmora: I agree especially with the bit on tongues. They'll shout Kabayamushoslambata....shirambabaskiremeno, yet they cant interpret any of it.

hahaha.

Hail the flying spaghetti monster

Kay 17: How is it possible for there to be love in separation??

I also wonder

uhonmora: of course.

The bible does not say we (or our children) should not befriend unbelievers...it rather preaches love to all...as long as they respect each other.

okay

alexleo: I will not. And i ask, would you train your kids to be atheists?

Of course. I will teach my children the 3 major realigions and show them the flaws in them.

This has been a highly debated issue and so, I will put forward the arguments for the two sides.



Christian Believer;
-God is the moral authority and morality comes from him
- The bible is a guide on morality
-Love thy neighbor as thyself

Atheist
-Morality comes from the individual and his/her interactions with the society
-Facts show that religious people are more thanlikely to commit crimes just as athiests when one looks at prison statistics
-The most peaceful countries are atheistic when we look at the global peace index

ijawkid: Evolution is rubbish...

Evolution won't make humans think of being charitable just as u aspire to be......

Ur professed ancestors never could do what u do......

Being human alone debunks evolution....

Go back to d bush and run naked and eat banana's if u believe in evolution....

If bill gates rili evolved from monkeys u think he'll be contributing billions to help less priviledged kids??

Human beings are still evolving but you wouldnt know that since your pastor didnt tell you. Your pastor also forgot to tell you that intelligent design has no credibility or evidence.

Ptolomeus: Absolutely.
Historically, Africa is not Christian or Islamic.
These religions have been imposed by the conquerors.
Undoubtedly, it is preferable to be an atheist, to follow the religion of the slavers.

I wish many Nigerians also took this position.

[quote author=Atheist:-D]Evolution a myth?? Really?? Do people still doubt evolution??

What about the origins of the Earth?

What about the origins of the Universe (Big Bang Theory)?

These are no longer sci-fi style theories. The evidence to support them is overwhelming.[/quote]Yes, people still doubt evolution even in this 21st century

Ayomivic: Yes, evil had been in existence from the beginning of the world. Incest may be happened in bible but God's law does not permit it ,christians must live by what comes out from God mouth not by what someone had done.

People had been worshiped Satan in the past they were redeemed by God and satan had been gained them to himself in different way before through paganism now atheism is one of the way.

Did God not create the evil?

I remember this discussion among 3 women on a train. The women were talking about another mother (who wasn't there) who is an atheist and doesnt teach her children about God. The mothers said that they see some "funny" spirits in those children of the atheist. They said that they would prefer it if their children did not mix with the atheist's children, especially at the atheist childrens' homes/birthdays. The children with the women were at least 10 to 15 years old. There were 4 children altogether.

This whole thing got me thinking. I wonder, would you let your children 10-16 have friends that are atheist or children of atheist parents?

Sir Anony, why do you have to argue with flawed points? Allow me to debunk you;
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[quote author=Mr_Anony]So is every other religion. Each is a theological stance in it's own right

Was it really necessary to make this point? Seriously, do we disagree on this?[/quote][quote author=Mr_Anony]if all Nigerians were one religion, there will also be less division[/quote]Really? Christianity is one religion. There are thousands of denominations of christianity. Have you forgotten how protestants and catholics killed each other in the past? Or how pastors can beef each other? Mormons are christians with some of their fundamenatlist branches supporting polygamy.

Islam has Sunni, Wahabbi and Shia fighting each other.

Furthermore, if everyone was under one religion businesses will suffer. Religious people always destroy businesses that they deem immoral. Secularism will allow scientific research into stem cell research and other things. There is a recession in the USA/UK and there are people who make money from gay bars, selling intimacy gadgets, alcohol etc that religion will destroy. At least the Southern part is secular enough to allow the sales of Alcohol. A christian/muslim nation would not agree to such. There would be more restrictions on alcohol if we were all christians- as seen in the USA in the past when alcohol was illegal.



[quote author=Mr_Anony]Atheism will not necessarily reduce child abuse. Religion is just another excuse for the abuser An atheist child abuser could still abuse children for "pragmatic" reasons [/quote]Yes, atheism would reduce child abuse. There would be no cases of accusing children of witchcraft and killing or beating the children. Why are you ashamed of this fact?

As for general child abuse, I am not talking about it because an atheist/muslim/christian abuser will for the same reason of wickedness. I am talking about a specific type of child abuse (witchcraft) that would dissapear with atheism in vogue.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]fraudsters will just find another cloak to wear and practice their trade outside religion[/quote]What? Will they join a church of atheism? smh

You are accepting that at least tithe robbery from churches will be gone.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]More atheist extremism (case in point communist China)[/quote]Communism is a state religion.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Personally, I think it is taught well enough
We don't even have proper museums at all in the first place[/quote]Evolution is not taught well. We would have more skeptics of religion if so.

Agreed on the museum point.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]And what will be the relevance of this teaching in developing the child other than breeding a hate for religion/ I personally think Nigerian history is taught well enough Good for you, you are free to pursue that if that's your field of interest[/quote]So, we should protect religion? The truth should not be taught because it would show that religion can be evil? You should be ashamed of yourself.


[quote author=Mr_Anony]Nigeria is secular because the Nigerian constitution is not based on any religion. As for government money supporting churches, even in "secular" UK 20% of tax money goes to support churches and charities as gift aid. The Sharia law (not that I condone it in any way) is akin to customary law and is still subject federal laws an example of a parallel would be Amish laws observed by Amish communities in the "secular" USA. Another example is criminalizing polygamy in "secular" countries (There is no good unreligious* argument for this)[/quote]Nope. Separation of church and state defines the secularism. Once congress or house of reps can make laws that supports a religion, it is not secular.

Sharia law is not secular by nature. It is Islamic.

I would like to see the proof of your 20% tax going to support the church in the UK.

Polygamy creates a problem for civil laws. No prenuptial agreement? Husband and wife split 50/50. How does it work with one house and a man with 4 wives? If polygamy is allowed then, what is the limit for number of wives? What about polyandry?

Amish laws can not go against the constitution. Sharia laws dont.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]So far as it looks to me Atheism isn't one of Nigeria's most urgent needs. Nigeria offers freedom of religion and that is enough.[/quote]Atheism is urgently needed from the debunking I just gave you

[quote author=Atheist:-D]Evolution a myth?? Really?? Do people still doubt evolution??

What about the origins of the Earth?

What about the origins of the Universe (Big Bang Theory)?

These are no longer sci-fi style theories. The evidence to support them is overwhelming.[/quote]There are people who are brainwashed by their pastors not to believe in science when it goes against the bible

dekung: Logic and Sauer, a round of applaause for both of you. Logic am honestly happy with the way you used empirical evidence to sustain your argument. Am impressed and you have given me more information to use in my numerous discussions with people who are trying hard to reconvert me. And as for Ijawkid who claimed you, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are doing these altruistic works because they are made in the image of God. That then goes to show that some lions and tigers are made in the image of God too because I have seen from a documentary on Natgeo wild where a lion actually came to rescue an antelope calf who had lost its mother from Hyenas and have also see a baby monkey rescued by a leopard and taken to the top of a tree. Maybe God comes from a feline family. Oh my bad, he is actually the lion of Judah, well that explains it.
Thanks once again my brillian guys

Thanks!

ijawkid: Evolution is rubbish...

Evolution won't make humans think of being charitable just as u aspire to be......

Ur professed ancestors never could do what u do......

Being human alone debunks evolution....

Go back to d bush and run naked and eat banana's if u believe in evolution....

If bill gates rili evolved from monkeys u think he'll be contributing billions to help less priviledged kids??

You do realise that humans are from the same family as apes? We are hominids.

Hail the shinigami/ Gods of death!

[quote author=Mr_Anony]LOL,

Logicboy good to have you back, I can't say I've missed you though.

Please tell me how atheism will develop Nigeria i.e. what does Nigeria stand to gain if it becomes an Atheist country?
(mind you secular humanism is not the same as atheism. Nigeria already has a secular government)[/quote]Read the first post again.

Atheism alone can not develop a country; it is a theological stance. However;

-Atheism lacks the divisive ability of religion; less division among Nigerians
-Atheism will reduce the child abuse that comes with accusing innocent children of witchcraft and torturing/killing them
-Atheism will not give the chance of pastors robbing poor people with tithe preaching
-Less religious extremism


Furthermore, evolution is not taught or properly taught in schools. We dont even have science museums for fossils and evolution. Also, proper history of christianity and slavery or islam and slavery is not taught in schools. History shows that these two religions supported slavery. had to learn about Nigerian history concerning slaver in London


Nigeria is not secular. We dont have separation of church and state. When our politicians and legislators are allowed to use government money to support churches or Sharia law exists.