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edicolove: Well you just proved a point I have been saying. Your core belief forms the basis for your reasoning. Because you believe in evolution, you question everything else because you are trying to verify their authenticity against the principles of evolution. If you believe in God and the supernatural, you wouldn't have asked those question because you would have realised that God who created the whole earth wouldn't have problem creating a woman from a man's rib or making a lion live happily with a lamb. So the issue really is your fundamental belief that evolution is true. The basic laws of science have never really contradicted the bible. Instead, they have complemented the bible. The bible and science only differ in some areas like evolution. Many scientists have had to solve scietific questions by following bible lead. For example, the bible has held that laughter is actually medicine for ceturies before medical research proved it. The bible has shone that when you travel faster than the speed of light, time ceases. These are principles recorded kong before science got there. The bible proves that the earth was once covered with water. Science corroborates though with a different explanation(because evolutionists will always see it from their perspective). The bible proves that the earth was once protected from the sun's rays by a layer of water. The bible proved rotation and revolution of the earth long before scientists found out. The bible showed the earth was round when scientists were still saying the earth was flat. I could go on and on.

Keep lying.

The bible claims that the whole earth was flooded during Noahs
time. That is a lie. No evidence both geological or archeological. How can 40 days of rain flood the whole earth? That alone could not flood Sahara desert.

The bible claims that the earth is flat;

It describes it as a "circle". But what they mean is round and flat. Like a pancake.

Daniel 4:11 "The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH" (How could one tree be seen by all the Earth if they knew the Earth was round.)

Matthew 4:8 "Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them" (Same idea here.)

Isaiah 40:22 ""He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in." (How could the "heavens" be spread out over the Earth like a tent if they believe it's a sphere? They believe the sky literally came down and touched the edges of the earth"

ijawkid: Ur so ignorant because ur comparison doesn't fit what we are talkin about...

This is about arranged headship.....

This is how it has always been......

Ur head to ur wife......

If u still dnt know that then u need a brain check.......

A white man feels his more superior to a black man just because @ one time or the other he was more priviledged,not because from d onset he was created 1st or it was written in d scriptures....

As for that principle in d bible it applies to everytin......

If u had read 1 corinthians 11:3 I quoted u wuld have understood d whole gist.....

But ur heads are bent on critisizing d scriptures.....

And for ya questio::::n.....I .respect women À lot even more than u do.........

Haven't u read d scriptures that talks about how husbaÑds shuld treat there wives??

U want me to quote them??

U dnt jus deliberate on a verse frm d bible and give peurile explanations to them....

Immature minds!!!!!!!!!

Will you kill yourself if your wife earns more than you? Suicide is not allowed in christianty

ayobase: I have been waiting for this!
U r a coward!

Coward? This coming from a guy that is not willing to question his religion? A man that is not willing to live his life without the help of his sky daddy in heaven?

ijawkid: Logic boy please go read ur books on evolution and leave d bible alone...

Ur lil brain can't understand words written in d holy scriptures........

Adam was 1st created........

Woman was gotten from d man.....

Don't u understand principles of headship.......??

Its for orderliness.........

Ur d kinda guy that will relegate himself as 2nd in d house ,while ya wife becomes d head of d family.......

There's no sexism in that scripture,its pure theocratic arrangement....

U fail to have known that women still have d same prospects men have in Gods eyes.....

They all have d hope of living in heaven forever and ruling along side Jesus as co- kings and co-priests............


What do u say to that??

See this sheep talking!


The story of Adam and Eve is not real. I can show you videos of priests saying that is metaphorical! Why are you so dull? Warri no dey carry last. Stop embarrassing Niger-Delta. Stop falling my hand.


As for men and women, the difference is only physical. However, the psychology is the same.

Avicenna: You know, fellis, if not for under the condition we met, we would have made great friends

There is this advice you gave me once ' the mind is a powerful thing'. The effect was profound. But for a guy like me who through logical thought escaped brutal brainwashing by religion, I will forever remain fairly objective with new information. I will keep this as a guiding principle.

I implore you to take your own advice and critically examine your faith.

Hirashin no jutsu. Disappear!

What is with atheists and Naruto for christ sake?

Were we all converted by Naruto or something?

toba: wow. Logicboy is now born again

Glory to God and thks to the catholic priest

Calm down

2good: Do you respect women in return? So you think because you have a male organ you are superior to a woman? You are as ignorant as a white racist that believes he is better than a black man because he has a white skin.

Epic smackdown! Ijawkid's argument has been floored, can he get up?

Goshen360: You see logicboy01, this is the problem you have even when I showed you from other scriptures that the same Paul wrote that woman pray and prophesy which both involves speaking or talking, you still can't reason with that. I have said it in the beginning of my response to you that your 22 yrs of being a Christian or church goer needs to be questioned and you just confirmed the truth to my statement. How can you still continue to argue after I just showed you. If you say "keep silence" means shut up, and I showed you other instances where same Paul wrote women to speak/talk, then Paul will be contradicting himself.

You see what your problem is, you are reading the Bible with a veiled mind and therefore, you are reading to find fault. The word of God is NOT contradictory IF YOU TAKE TIME TO STUDY (not just reading like circular novels or newspapers). This is one of the reasons why I don't like dealing with you because you are always wanting to keep arguing and am not in for that, am sorry. If everyone is like me on this board, you will be preached to in due season just like Frosbel said but if you refuse, you will be completely ignored and allow to talk to yourself. However, I still promise to engage you someday that I have time for you. No harm meant. I leave you with these words from the Bible:

But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 2 Cor. 3:16 Niv

lololol



The word of God isnt contradictory?

Polygamy is wrong but there are 40 polygamous people in the bible including David, Solomon and Abraham.

Incest is bad. But the first man and woman commited incest since Adam is Eve's parent (Eve is from Adam's rib). Abraham's wife (Sarah) is also his step-sister.

Tinkybabe: I'm surprised many are still trying to prove some points to the poster.He's an atheist(doesn't believe in God or His existence) so spiritual discernment would be nothing but gibberish to him ..I feel he came up with this question to pose confusion.Ayobase..Your contribution has been more than enlightening,thanks for it..Logic mind..I'm not surprised you do not know about the written word of God (logos) and the spoken word of God (rhema).Pls don't be an author of confusion here. Christianity isn't science that you prove with facts and figures.

lol....Rhema ko, deeper life ni.

Spiritual discernment? Do you need spiritual discernment to realise that a statement is sexist? Or are you a sheep that waits for the pastor to teach you how to read your bible?

Orikinla: I don't think women were excluded when the Psalmist said the following in praise of God:


[size=28pt]100 Make a joyful noise unto the Lord, all ye lands.

2 Serve the Lord with gladness: come before his presence with singing.[/size]

3 Know ye that the Lord he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.

4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.

5 For the Lord is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations.

~ Psalm 100

King James Version (KJV)

Stop picking and mixing the bible. Address the quote, Mr Apologist

ijawkid: Silence doesn't mean thÉy shuld move aboÙt d congregation with padlocks around there lips....

It means they shuldnt assume headship roles that rightly belongs to men in Gods arrangement.......

That verse applies to a congregation gathering......



Women have d great priviledge of preaching Gods word from street to street and from house to house,but as far as taking d lead in d christian congregation is concerned its for men....

Read 1 timothy chapter 3 and see if women can meet up those qualifications to serve as bishops and deacons.................



Now I knw why ur an atheist....

Ur so myopic as not to have understood simple bible principles and hw they shuld be applied........

When u can't comprehend u run into conclusion that God encouraged sexism....


Like I also told u even Jesus couldn't have assumed Yahwehs role in some issues......

That is headship my bro,not devaluation.....

That arrangement was made so that things can go on decently and by arrangement(1corinthians 14:40)

In ur home if @ all u'll get married u'll be d head of d house.....

Ur wife definitly will have limited authority compared to yours.....

If common sense can't teach u that,then I wonder what to do with u.......

Men and women have the same leadership abilities. You are blind to sexism in the bible.

Well, I am not surprised. You actually believe the fairytale that women are not made in the image of God rather, in the image of men. Sexist.

edicolove: Don't know where to even start on the above. First, I am not talking about organized religion. I am talking about a real life that is far from outdated. I am talking about sickness being healed and supernatural occurrences. I am talking about today's experience not some dead religion. I am talking about the spiritual superimposing the natural and producing what you call miracles. And I have got good news for you, it works. That is what Jesus brought to mankind, not some dead religion. That you have never experienced it doesn't make it fairy tales.

Secondly research has constantly and consistently proven the bible right. From the forming of mountains to reduction in human lifespan. Do you know for example, man is not supposed to die but still does? Do you know black and white skin coloration are just pigmentation based on your environment. Do you know the bible says aquatic life appeared before terestial life just like science says. Do you know a ship was built using the specifications of Noahs ark and was found to have perfect stability in the face of very turbulent storms. You can learn or you can scorn, its up to you. The bible shows men used to live up to 900 years and its not mythology. Its a fact. Man has the ability and should live forever. Even scientists wonder why man doesn't. Every eleven years, almost all your cells are replaced. So technically, you should become like a new baby, but it doesn't happen that way. Why? Something is wrong. Scientists have now proven that mans life span has been affected over the years by enviromental factors including the earth's atmoshpere, water pollution, deforestation, and the green house effect. Men used to be taller, bigger and lived longer. A simple proof is the average lifespan of a rural dweller compared to that of an urban dweller. An 80 year old rural dweller generally looks better than a 65 year old urban dweller. In places like japan where they are particular about their lives and health, some people live well over 120 and 130 years. If you look at the bible in Genesis, you will notice that the average lifespan dropped immediately after the noahs flood. Why because according to Genesis, it wasn't just a flood that happened, it was a combination of events that completely changed the earths structure and atmosphere and ushered in a new earth that affected mans physic and lifespan. According to bible records, that was the first rain.

The lad who keeps saying my post is nonsense because he is too scared to learn is funny. He is afraid to "loose" his opinion. But like I told him earlier, life is about choice. All the things he called evidence in science means absolutely nothing and the theories could all fall to the ground any moment in the face of new knowledge. Science is belief. Someone said a theory and someone believed it. Yet there are completely unexplainable events all around us everyday and we just go on believing and living and hoping that one day, we will understand. Science if faith. Don't forget that many scientific discoveries where once called sorcery. Man is a faith being and faith is a real force, not just a mental state. Faith can create and it does create.

lol.....so science proves the bible right?


Have you heard of evolution? Evolution debunks the story of genesis

Do you honestly believe that women came from the rib of man? Dont you know that that is incest? Adam was the parent of Eve since she came/was cloned from his rib. Incest!


Do you believe that all species of anumals could fit in Noah's ark? How did anacondas, rabits and tigers leave together?

Goshen360: @ OP,

I first responded to this thread because I was about going to bed when you started this thread yesterday. I know you as an Atheist and you claimed to have been a Christian for 22 years or so. If truly you are once a Christian, I wonder how you read your bible within those 22 years and later became an Atheist. Well, that is by the way. I didn't want to jump into your thread because I hate wasting my precious time with you as you don't read ANYTHING about the Bible to learn but to discredit it. You are always reading the Bible with the mind of finding fault and loop holes forgetting that the letters kill but the Spirit gives life. However, I do not want you get away with this. Now, back to the thread.

First. There is NO one verse of the scripture that stands on its own. This is what the bible meant when it says, "no scripture is is PRIVATE interpretation". You cannot up-root one verse OUT OF CONTEXT and give/apply an interpretation. This is not how the bible says we should interpret the bible. Okay. (Am going through this, if only you want to learn)

Now, Let look at 1 Cor. 14: 34 in context (the whole) and see if actually Paul is saying. What does it mean to be silence according to that verse and in context?

Silence is an English word translated from the Greek, "sigao" and it means: to be still, KEEP silence, to hold one's peace. So what is the Apostle saying? Let's put this meaning in place of silence and in context and let's see how it reads:

Let your women [be still, KEEP silence, hold their peace] in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law. When we read "keep" as it precedes "silence" means a state of "maintaining" silence and not a state to shut up without talking.

Paul is NOT saying they should NOT talk because the context of "keeping silence" does NOT mean one should NOT SPEAK. How did I know this? The context. In the same context of 1 Cor 14:27-28

If any man speak in an [unknown] tongue, [let it be] by two, or at the most [by] three, and [that] by course; and let one interpret. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

Here we read Paul said one should keep silence AND LET HIM SPEAK. Ladies and Gentlemen, I submit to you that, the sense of "keep silence" does not mean one cannot speak. It simply means to hold one's peace and be still IN THE CONTEXT OF ORDERLINESS AND FOR EDIFICATION. This we can clearly see in the context of verse 30-31 same chapter,

If [any thing] be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.. So we read clearly here in this context that the sense of "keeping silence" IS NOT OR NOT TO SPEAK IN THE CHURCH BUT EDIFY, ORDERLINESS, LEARNING AND COMFORT. The context of 1 Cor. 14:34 is demonstrated in the next verse 35,

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

It therefore follows that the sense of "keep silence" in the church IS NOT TO MEAN THEY CANNOT TALK AT ALL WHILE IN THE CHURCH BUT THE SENSE AND CONTEXT IS AS IT RELATES TO DISORDERLINESS, LEARNING, CONFUSION AND NOT EDIFYING. Because we already see in the context of verse 28 that one is asked to be silence and still speak. How can someone be told to be silence and still asked to speak? It doesn't make any sense that way. So we should understand what Paul is saying.

Again, "KEEP SILENCE" cannot not mean total non-speaking state in the sense that same Paul in 1 Cor. 11:5 taught that women can pray and prophesy in the church which involves an act of speaking.

But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with [her] head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

So how can a woman pray and prophesy if she should totally remain quiet? Paul is not saying women should be silence in the sense of total non-speaking/talking state when they come to church BUT silence as in the sense of learning, comfort, edification and orderliness and this truth we clearly see in verse 35, 26-33 and verse 40 which says,

Let all things be done decently and in order.

All this epistle you are writing does not mean anything.


Silence/hold your peace means shut the hell up! End of story.



Yes, you are right....I hardly read the bible when I was a catholic. Catholics in general do not read the bible. Just go to mass and take holy communion like sheep.

ayobase: U went to church for 20yrs aight?
Hmmm......
Did you have a personal relstionship with God during those 2 decades or just going to church cos u wouldnt wanna be ass-whipped by ur parents for refusing to follow?
Those that left Church today did so cos they are coward....they cant live to face challenges....always blaming others for their failures, but working on themsleves.
I simply know when a pastor is trying to hoodwink....I gat a witness in my heart!

Sharaap

fellis: Ok. We believe that our religion serves as a means to determine how we will spend our eternity in the afterlife. It encompasses a set of rules or guidelines that the person following the religion must adhere to.
These rules give directives on how to live our lives and are meant to make the world a better/convenient place for us while we spend our time here and how well we follow these rules determines how well we spend our afterlife.
If you follow these rules, you are considered a Muslim. There is no way you will follow the tenets of Islam to the letter and still consider yourself an atheist, so if an atheist does everything I do as a Muslim, he is no longer an atheist. He is a Muslim.

I hope you understand that explanation.

Yep.

Summarizing your comment

"I believe in fairytales and who ever follows the rules in the fairybook is a fellow believer"

ayobase: Load of craps?
No wonder u couldnt understand the Bible!
What do u call your father-in-law when trying to caution ur wife questioning ur authority.
Hope you know that that book was a letter for the church in Corinth to solve some pressing problems at that time!
So, what did u expect of a letter....writing in tongues or calling fire to fall from heaven?
The man was trying to settle a dispute and u are here castigating!
Logicboy aight?
When r u gonna be logicman?

Look at this joker. Is the bible not written in English? Or do you wait for your pastor to selectively read and preach it to yoU?

[quote author=Mai-suya]^^^
I wonder o. anyone who knows a little gorlogy can predict armagedon on the circumpacific region or the "ring of fire" as it's known. That place is well known for it's geologic activity. So unless he can be precise, it's just story[/quote]TB Joshuas prophecies have been debunked before and so your point is hardly surprising. We have to be careful with all these "prophets"

rezzy: If my General Overseer suddenly says God does not exist, that does can never stop me from shouting God is good

You wouldnt ask him why he left the church?

tryoliviame: How can I open a thread and how can it make front page?

Creating a new topic is creating a new thread.

New threads automatically go to the top of the main page section you posted in.

The front page of Nairaland is a different matter enitrely.


You can keep an eye on your threads by clicking on ur username

fellis: There is no post to dig up.
Based on what you wrote before, I think this is the post you were referring to;

From this thread: https://www.nairaland.com/971666/muslim-love-christians-condemn-boko#11199066
^^^See, still blameless.
I take extreme care not to generalize when I write, you won't find any post of mine on Nairaland where I claimed that all atheists are immoral.
I have said some atheists are immoral, the way some theists and agnostics and deists can be immoral. But I won't claim that every single one of them is like that.
You probably read my post wrongly.
But whatever, it's all good.
I wish you well.

One question (abeg answer it will not lead to argument)

If you can be moral without Islam what is the need for Islam?

or better yet, if there is nothing you can do as a muslim that an atheist can not do, then why Islam.

doggskull: Its jus d way it is azz hole take it or leave it

Lmao

https://i.imgur.com/g5IaE.jpg

shanicemel: yes women should be silent so says the word of GOD OK

lol.....more like word of Dog!

tryoliviame: Ok link, how do I go about it?

Click on "create new topic" on the main page of any section you want to post in;

ijawkid: But ur afraid of something........lol

U tink ogboni magic is fake ba??

If u dnt join them u can't even rule d country.....

And u think those thugs just run around d place with there bare bodies??

Try shooting them and see if it will penetrate there skin....

Come to 9ja and see something not staying far away ranting.....

Just come.....

I dont need ogboni blessing to become a politician. Shows how shallow your faith in God is.


As for shooting your juju guys, they will die with bullets. Let me put it in a better way; can your ogboni boys survive a nuclear bomb attack on Niheria?

ijawkid: He was not bro...

He still died for her and for u......

And for all persons.......

U are d racist like I'v always told you....

Jesus did not die for me. He died like a thief on the cross, according to the gospel. He came for the lost sheep of isreal, not me.


I am not a racist. I dont believe that Jews are more important than other people, like your God

ayobase: Nail ur point in a clause!

huh??

ijawkid: Lol.....

Oh I see......

Not because u love d person??

Why even get married in d 1st place??

Like I said why dnt u jus live like ya ancestors(apes)........

Why follow d course of God who instituted marraige.....??

Ode, people were getting married before your God came along. Judaism/christianity were not the first religions.

As for "love".....how can there be companionship without love?

Isnt there only one indonesia?

ayobase: Can u give me a brief history of Corinth?
Remember,to suucessfully penetrate a place, respecting the land's godly ethics will be a must!

You made the accusation on Corinthian women. Back it up

Denningtedy: I WONDER THE HELL THAT IS WRONG WITH THIS SO CALLED MODERATORS.. WHY IS CHRISTIANITY ALWAYS THE GOSSIP OF THE DAY? WHY CAN'T YOU GUY TALK ABOUT THE ISLAM[color=#770077][/color]IC RELIGION?

Calm down.

The Fear of Boko Haram is the beginning of wisdom

ijawkid: Which is more??

Which group of persons are predominant in russia??

U always wanna attribute everytin bad to Jesus right??


I wanna know wether majority of russians are christians??

We'll see wether atheists are d more loving and caring persons......

Ur head did not go to Jesus's illustration of d neighbourly samaritan......

I will nor partake in your strawman.

Jesus was racist towards the Canaanite woman.

eddy1977: christianity teaches love and relationships.it teaches to embrace anyone regardless of their ethnicities.
your problem is that you are too self centered and think your ethnicity should be the center of the universe.you don't read the bible with humility.if you put your self centeredness to the side,you would be a genius on nairaland.
anyone who reads the bible can clearly see that God has actually used all ethnicities in the world

look at this guy. Are you reading children's bible or something?