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Kobojunkie:
If you say so.
Maybe one of these days one of them will show up seeking "validation" then.

Not holding my breath for that. lol

Kobojunkie:
Maybe the genuine thing scares them so much so that they would rather pretend they don't know of it than seek validation in the way you seem to expect them to.

If glossolalia doesn't scare them then speaking actual languages shouldn't.

BassReeves:
You can try Ezekiel 23:20 for size

Indeed that was about size not about pleasure.

Almost means, nearly or just about and so that remark might or might not automatically include 'the pleasure of driving a fast car'

Truth is, it’s not what you drive, but it’s what drives you!

2 Kings 9:20
'Again the watchman reported,
“He reached them, but he is not coming back.
And the driving is like the driving of Jehu the son of Nimshi, for he drives furiously.”'

We are talking of pleasure not motivation.

SO what if he drives furiously, that's not an expression of pleasure.

I keep telling you that my emphasis wasn't about your preoccupation with the adrenaline rush pleasure of driving a fast car, but is about that important sexual energy pleasure, carried out, under all circumstances, that is right

And my emphasis is on all pleasures not only sexual.

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid you have them wrong then. Not everyone seeks validation from others as yu assume, particularly not those who have it since they would be those who only listen to God and God alone in all things.

I said others not the people with the gift {if they actually exist lol}.

Kobojunkie:
Validation from whom?

From others.

BassReeves:
Proverbs 5:18-19
'18Let your fountain (wife) be blessed [with the rewards of fidelity],
And rejoice in the wife of your youth.
19Let her be as a loving hind and graceful doe,
Let her breasts refresh and satisfy you at all times;
Always be exhilarated and delight in her love.'

You dont see breasts as sexually pleasurable for grown ups? I did say I was giving you a taster and that I want avoid pasting here other Hot, steamy and racy bible verses

I pointed out and made it clear that my emphasis is on sexual pleasure, and that I wasn't bothered over the adrenaline rush pleasure of driving a fast car.

I stand by every word I typed about there are well-stocked and filled with beautiful and plentiful supply of sexual imaginations, sensual and passionate innuendos in the Bible

If you know how or where to look you'll see that it is has flirting and pre-intimacy in it and about the numbered in below image.

Touching breast is different from ejaculating. Can you show me how the pleasure of ejaculating is biblical?

You claimed:

BassReeves:
Almost everything pleasurable or not pleasurable, particularly sexual pleasure, is in the Bible and so it’s a perfect and best yardstick for anything

So is the pleasure of driving a fast car biblical? Or are you willing to admit it's not in the bible?

Kobojunkie:
Why? Of what point is it for them to advertise in much the same way as those who walk around speaking in gibberish?

Those who believe are always looking for validation, for signs, for wonders, they won't pass up the chance.

Kobojunkie:
How?

Same way news of a miracle working pastor spreads.

Kobojunkie:
You want those who have the true version(not speaking in gibberish) of the gift to advertise themselves for you to see it?

They don’t need to, others will do it for them.

Kobojunkie:
Nope! Christians already can do that which you can do but with the power of spirit, they do more.

I can spout gibberish all day long just like you but in addition to that, by the power of Spirit(not to be confused with Holy Spirit) i am also able to speak other languages which I am unlearned in.

LMAO! Yet to see anybody actually do that, all I hear are stories.

Kobojunkie:
Everyone speaks the same that you claim, but only those who believe can experience that which Jesus Christ described.

I had two different experiences of it, and both times, it was nothing like spouting gibberish or speaking any learned language.

Kobojunkie:
As defined by Jesus Christ it is, since those who believe are born of spirit...

Again you merely reiterating what I already said, Christians need a special power to do what others can do by themselves.

Kobojunkie:
Well,your mind seems made up about that which you have no real experience of and there isn't much I can do about that.

I speak in tongues so I dunno what you mean by no real experience.

Kobojunkie:
So now you assume that while their tongues were under the control of spirit, the same tongue was simultaneously able to magnify God?

Speaking in tongues is not powered by any spirit.

Kobojunkie:
It wouldn't be much of a mark if it occured the exact same way it did for everyone else out there now, would it?

Exactly. That's why I know speaking in tongues is not a special mark. Glad you can see that now.

Kobojunkie:
The choice is powered by the person's will, but speaking in tongues is powered by spirit...

So you have answered your own question. They magnified god while speaking in tongues because speaking in tongues makes you euphoric.

Kobojunkie:
It is given as a sign to follow those who believe and it is powered by spirit.. !

And those who don't believe are not using spirit nor are they marked. So Christians need a special power to do what other people can do without a special power.

Kobojunkie:
I already told you it is a spirit thing... if it was born of your will, it is definitely not not same phenomenon described in in Bible.

Ok so Christians need a spirit to do what other people can do by their own self?

Kobojunkie:
Did they "magnify God" as a result of speaking in tongues or did they "magnify God" out of choice?

When someone does something because they are happy, they still are making a choice so your dichotomy doesn't apply.

MightySparrow:
I was watching a YouTube in which the presenter was talking about the subject matter. Is it scriptural for a woman to co - pastor with her husband? The new trend is found all over the Christian world.

Not a new phenomenon at least in or lifetime. There have been husband and wife pastor/preaching duos since the early part of the 20th century.

Kobojunkie:
I know Jesus Christ said it is a sign of those who believe in Him...aka those who belong in His Kingdpm. And from the accounts of some of walked with His apostles, there was no record of any additional sense or feeling as the one which you stated earlier. Plus my personal experiences also educates me on this too.

So your own experience is valid while mine isn’t?

BassReeves:
Beloved, my intent was to call a spade, a spade, not call a spade, a fork, meaning I harboured or nursed no intent to rub you the wrong way

With the utmost respect, I dont see where I asked you to go search. You're correct that I made the claim that the Bible is well-stocked and filled with beautiful and plentiful supply of sexual imaginations, sensual and passionate innuendos, which is true, dare I repeat, if you know how to search and look, you'll surely find that to be the case.

Isaiah 66:11a
'And you shall suckle and you shall be satisfied from the breast of her comfort ...'

If you want to quote what I typed, why not quote fully how I typed it.

I am sure you'll admit that after ' ... almost every pleasurable thing' I placed my emphasis on sexual pleasure, and wasn't bothered over the adrenaline rush pleasure of driving a fast car

I'll love to wet your appetite with giving you ample sexual pleasure verses, but for the sake of not wanting to being overtly graphic and explicit, so I will limit it to one sexual pleasure verse with an accompanying secondary sex organ

So that Isaiah 66:11a above shows one out of many of the well-stocked and filled with beautiful and plentiful supply of sexual imaginations, sensual and passionate innuendos in the Bible. Other verses I would have loved to share are rather racy

I don’t see sexual pleasure in this verse, I see a baby sucking it’s mother’s milk because I read the preceding verse which was referring to Jerusalem.

I ask you again since you asserted that most of the pleasurable things are in the Bible, now show where the pleasure of driving a fast car is in the Bible or are you taking back what you asserted?

Kobojunkie:
So?

What do you think magnify god means?

Kobojunkie:
I know Jesus Christ said it is a sign of those who believe in Him...aka those who belong in His Kingdpm. And from the accounts of some of walked with His apostles, there was no record of any additional sense or feeling as the one which you stated earlier. Plus my personal experiences also educates me on this too.

But there was:

Acts 10:46
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God

Kobojunkie:
But the Gospels are the only portions that supposedly quote Jesus Christ Himself. So, if according to Jesus Christ, He gave up His life for the sake of His friends and He did so willingly. Do we ignore that because we want to instead cling to a claim made by another anonymous writer who does not pretend to quote Him at all?

Only 1 reference to tongues was attributed to Jesus so how do you know exactly how it works if not from other books?

Hismasterpiece:
Even if other sacrifices had willing victims, there still is no record of a god raising someone sacrificed to him from the dead three days after they were sacrificed.

From what i understand from your post, it seems that you are trying to say that Jesus' sacrifice on the cross shows that God is evil and not good?

I already said that the god if he exists is an amoral being.

Hismasterpiece:
You also believe what you read. Where do you get your knowledge on atheism from? Didn't you read it online? How are you sure what you read is reliable and not just some biased opinion of a God-hater? How do we know world history? Don't we get it from the things we read?

Who led you to Christ? How did you come to know Christ?

The question I told you I asked myself did I say I read it from somewhere? Did I tell you it was someone's opinion?

Why is who lead me to Christ important? That is something I cannot recall because it happened so long ago. I heard people preach about Christ.

BassReeves:
I read all your previous responses. No need to grow grouchy because I touched on the aspect of speaking unintelligible and/or meaningless speech. It hasn't come to anyone behaving like a jerk

If you had read what I said about my experience on here you won't have come with such a reply.

Having sex is not just a gift from God, but it is one such gift that gives a feeling of happy satisfaction and enjoyment with no sorrow added

If you know how to search and look, you'll find that the Bible is well-stocked and filled with beautiful and plentiful supply of sexual imaginations, sensual and passionate innuendos

Show me how sexual pleasure is biblical don't ask me to go search, you are the one making the claim that it is.

I placed my emphasis on sexual pleasure, and not the adrenaline rush pleasure of driving a fast car

You said almost every pleasurable thing is in the bible so go ahead and show where this one is in the bible.

Kobojunkie:
Speaking in tongues is as explained in the Bible, and none of those who it happened to described experiencing a feeling of euphoria in conjunction with speaking in tongues.

As far as speaking in an actual tongue is concerned, the Bible remains the yardstick we have.

So basically you can’t show me where the pleasurable feeling you get while ejaculating is in the Bible can you so your sexual pleasure is not biblical abi?

BassReeves:
You're not alone

Classic peer influence, when you choose to do something you wouldn't otherwise do, but because you want to feel accepted, valued by and/or fit in with your circle of associates you break into speaking unintelligible and/or meaningless speech

Its the product of conditioning and indoctrination

Yes, the pleasure you feel when you ejaculate biblical

Almost everything pleasurable or not pleasurable, particularly sexual pleasure, is in the Bible and so it’s a perfect and best yardstick for anything

You best read my previous responses before jumping in and behaving like a jerk.

Show me how sexual pleasure is biblical. Show me how the pleasure of driving a fast car is biblical.

Kobojunkie:
You know better than to quote that at me.

Read the Gospels to understand why.... Jesus Christ Himself said that He gave Himself up on behalf of His friends. Should we not take Him at His Word, believe instead that which was supposedly written in a letter to an audience of Ephesians?

Once again we get to this your weird selectiveness. All the books of the gospels were written by anonymous people who we have no way of known if they accurately recorded what was said and how could they since they were recording oral retellings? You can’t tell me you know for sure that is exactly what Jesus said in the gospels so this you selective choosing is very hilarious. Besides you have exactly 1 reference to tongues in the gospels and that from a verse that was thought have been a later addition so how exactly do you know about how it’s supposed to work if not from other books of the Bible?

Kobojunkie:
And for that very reason, you couldn't have been speaking of the very same phenomenon that is spoken of in the Bible.

The sense of euphoria you speak of, also not biblical.

Is the pleasure you feel when you ejaculate biblical? I don’t think everything pleasurable or not pleasurable is in the Bible so it’s not a yardstick for anything.

Kobojunkie:
I can't explain all since some of them maybe like you, making it happen of their own will.

But what I said earlier is true. It is a mark given to those who believe. I once spoke in gibberish back many many many years ago in college myself. It was for a couple of days after which I was glad to be rid of the thing. I hated the feeling of having my mind and body manipulated by some force I knew next to nothing of.
I wanted to believe in God, I thought and so I allowdd the words of this gal sink in to my head enough to successfully let my mental guard down and it happened. I would open my mouth to speak and all that would come forth were these syllables and words which may no sense to me...over and over it did. But the thrill quickly left me when I realized that I was simply repeating the same syllables and sounds over and over and knew nothing of what it was that came out of me. I was reminded of the Old ritual movies on TV and decided there and then that it was not worth it and tried to get rid of it but it continued. I eventually forgot about it since I stopped meeting with the gal and her group the next week.... but that don't mean the spirit or whatever it was, left.

I never felt nor do I feel manipulation when I speak in tongues, I am fully in control of all my faculties. Of course sometimes you do let the euphoria over take you and you break out into joyful singing and dancing.