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According to the Oxford English Dictionary, incest is defined as "sexual relations between people classed as being too closely related to marry each other." This definition encompasses the general understanding of incest as the engagement in sexual activity between individuals who are close blood relatives and are prohibited by social or legal norms from marrying or having sexual relations with each other. According to christianity and most other religions this act is considered sacrilegious, the obvious focus here is on christanity.

If the average christain finds you in a relationship deemed incestous, you'd be considered to have committed an abomination and sin against God and rightly so according to the holy book inspired by God himself. And God detests sin (Habakkuk 1: 13). It's cleary stated his hate for incest through the books of Leveticus 18 : 6-18, 20 : 11 -21, Deuteronomy 27: 20-23, 1 Corinthians 5 : 1 amongst otherz.

Cycling back to the creation story, God who is all knowing and omnipotent created a man and a woman and ordered them in Genesis 1 : 28 to be fruitful and multiply and to go fill the earth. The only way to have fulfilled that instruction was through the practice of incest as we know God created no one else and the whole of humanity was to come from and came from these two according to the bible. Why then did God choose to propagate a key part of his design through sin(incest) which he detests so much?? Cause the children of Adam and Eve had no one but themselves to marry and procreate with.

Or maybe he created others after them... but that obviously contradicts the divinely inspired story right?! So why use sin as a key part of the plan when multiple persons could have been created to procreate with each other. Or did he change his mind about incest been a sin further down the line?! This leads to the question, does God change his mind?! if he's the alpha and omega and knows the end from the beginning he ought not to change his mind and know his plans would work from A through Z right?! Then again we have verses stating he doesnt change his mind and verses that also state, well he changes his mind ergo contradicting each other.

The puzzling part is God then decides to use incest which is a sin according to the bible, as a key part of his plans again after wiping the world with the flood, and the reason for the flood was as we all know sin. The story says just Noah and his family survive. In Genesis 9 : 1 God then gives the same instruction given to Adam and Eve to multiply and fill the earth. The grandchildren of Noah had no one else to marry and procreate with except themselves and God knew this. So does he support incest at this time then changes his mind later on as stated in the scriptures... Does God change his mind about what's considered sin?? Or were there others alive then which would then contradicts the story.

Abraham, Isaac, Lot, and a host of others comitted this sin which wasn't even considered as em committeing sin. Heck It was even considered part of Jewish laws and customs that Yahweh even kills Onan for not cumming in his brother's widow to produce a child, meanwhile leveticus 18 : 16 says not to sleep with your brothers wife. If that isn't morally contradictory, i don't know what is. Reconciling the differences on this is something i obviously cannot can. Is incest a sin because God l8r said so after using and accepting it or beacuse its naturally morally wrong?? The bi le is contradictory on this as on many other topics. Maybe bible scholars have answers to this that us ordinary folks cant see, maybe they can fill in the blanks or maybe, just maybe something doesnt add up.

atheistconverta:
If so, you must be a waste of such IQ then.

Lol! The heck is this one saying??😄🤦🏽 Do u even know how to read and comprehend?! Ignorant fvck.

Dtruthspeaker:
You for kukuma abuse the op directly rather than to dey hide dey commit fallacy of blowing big grammar to abuse am.



So this is where you make a point where you admit that agnostics are unstable people and rolling stones.

Ahh i see! This is one that contributes to dragging the mean iq down, lower double digit type. Not worth it.

What an ignorant, shallow and obtuse write up devoid of facts, based solely on anecdotal evidence and stinking bias. An easy way to spot a narrow minded obtuse person is simply by how they think of things in binary. A lot of u christains are just as daft as the atheists you claim to be "smarter" than. There is no fact based evidence to come to the conclusion of the dross of a thought process u spewed up there.

Like with most things in life it's usually nuanced and grey. When u analyse a decent enough sample size you are bound to find all sorts of variations, and never something as linear as you stated representing the whole sample size. Of course there are people that move from belief in religion to gnostism to deism to agnosticism to atheism but you'd also find all sorts of variations of movement, some even go all the way back to religion.

Just as religious people move between sects and denominations within their religion( of which christains have 75000+) or move from monotheism to polytheism and deism and vice versa, movement is never guranteed to be a linear progression to a final stop. There's all sorts of movement and that's what's a fact not the linear dross of a pov you painted that's based on nothing more than your feelings and experiences. Only a narrow minded person uses their pov to paint a picture for the population as fact exclusing nuanced context when there's just so much variance.

Agnostics tend to be fluid... yes, due to the fact that they tend to be the most open minded, so to say and open minded person is guaranteed to follow a linear path of progression to a final stop is just pure conjecture and contradiction. And as i doubt you know in agnostism, you have agnostic theists and agnostic atheists adding even more nuanced context rubbishing ur narrow minded pov.

MisterBanny:
How about the one that can't give u sex for two years of the relationship, claiming she's a virgin and refusing u from verifying her claim of being that virgin?

Don't take this the wrong way but you're an epitome of the word fool.

PinkNature:
She recently did a scene with blackedraw. Who would have know that that was her last scene ever?

Give your lives to Christ. The wages of sin is death. May God continue to empower us.

Guys... This right here is what you call beautiful irony.

finallybusy:
Type something sarcastic, let me see.

Something sacarstic.

kingxsamz:
Go through this thread. It's all there.

https://www.nairaland.com/5558353/countdown-thread#84515956

Thanks for the ludicrous comic this evening.
Ive always seen his posts but simply dismissed him as dellusional without second thought. This just confirms it when confirmation wasn't needed. Frigging clown.

kingxsamz:
I saw this thread, remembered it and laughed.
The guy is on a lost cause.

Pls what happened😁
Wasnt here then.

"A person can be alive in the flesh, but the soul is dead, because the spirit in that person has no connection with God."

"The men and women who wrote Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Esther, Peter, Titus, John, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John etc., are all right now alive and walking on this earth. Thy have changed their body suit a couple of times, but the spirit within them remains the same. That spirit within them can never experience spiritual death, they are connected to God forever."

What refrences preferably one from your bible did you use to infer the nonsenses above??

Arda1000:
bullocks.

Big time bollocks.

The mental gymanastics to come up with vague counter intuitive thought processes that was plucked out from thin air to defend plain contradictions has begun. How does he know he was talking of spiritual death?? The verses he even posted by to support his pov does the opposite. Its obvious its physical cause if considered alongside Matthew 24 and Luke 21, where Jesus said that generation would not pass away until he returns.

Those two verses up there are simply stating the obvious, some of that generation would obviously die before their whole generation would pass away but it doesn't stop those that are dead from joining up with them that are alive when Christ returns, which was supposed to be before their whole generation passed away. But it didnt happen that way, did. it?? Ergo the mental gymnastics here.

When Jesus spoke metaphorically he used parables, everything else was literal. So why twisting it to suit your narrative cause of the contradiction. You guys cant wiggle your way out of all the cotradictions you know, even while using vague biblical drivel. Logic, common sense, occam's razor shatters it all.

GO0dharddick:
I'll rather watch Zootopia, frozen,Coco, Moana, Sing, ant bully, the croods, incredible, etc, than to watch any Nigerian nollywood

Yours is even better. I'll rather watch paint dry than be caught watching Nigerian movies. Overhyped crap, all of em.

Scientheosopher:
It's been moved to number 17 in the Menu.

Thanks my g. I must continue getting that 40gb 4 5k o

yomi007k:
You need to see a psychitrist.

This is visual hallucination.

Obvious schizophrenic.

Kushites:
WHERE ARE PEDESTRIANS SUPPOSED TO WALK?

RUBBISH.

OPEN GUTTER SPECIALISTS.

DON'T BUILD ROADS WITH COVERED DRAINS AND SIDEWALKS LIKE OTHER CIVILISED PARTS OF THE WORLD.

PRIMITIVE PEOPLE WITH NO SENSE.

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Apt bro. Nigerians love mediocrity, don't know if its the Stockholm syndrome that's collectively affecting their brain cells. See how the ignorant oafs above you are celebrating mediocre basic amenities. Basic amenities are what's exciting you to sing praises like seals in captivity, when the value of our resources clearly shows we should be capable of solving way more complex issues bedeviling our society. There's really no hope for this country as Nigerians are truly daft, daft beyond measure. Its like taking a child's pocket money of 1000 without his knowledge and then giiving him 10 out of the thousand to buy sweets and he's stupidly excited not knowing its from his stolen pocket money.

codedgalaxy:
petty?
Real Bleep up's starts from overlooked shits like this.

Definitely. Doesn't mean u weren't petty though. If it was me, I'd smile while looking her in the eyes and turn around and walk away without uttering a word after that crappy request.

Different pov, but agnostic chexking in.

Remijuice:
Anyone with tattoo is very selfish and inconsiderate, cause you can no longer donate blood to save lives...

Calm down with your loud ignorance. Go educate yourself.

You're a prick and you're petty. I like you.

MaxInDHouse:
OK.
To illustrate: imagine you working for a wealthy man who has given you so much gifts to the extent that many people begin envying you. Then the CEO of another company who is a competor sent hoodlums after you then you reported to the CEO who told you to keep calm and allow them take whatever they feel like taking away from you but you feel so much important that you began counting your loss instead of relying on the words of the CEO.
So he asked you:
What do you know about the origin of this company?
Do you know how many people are looking up to me as the second to none?
So why are you worried over your loss when you're sure that it's still within my power to give you back all that you've lost so far?

The CEO is hereby assuring you that if you're able to remain loyal despite all the troubles from his adversary then you will be promoted as the most trusted employee!

All those in the company will not question the CEO when he gives you back all your loss and the promotion you deserve.


In this illustration God is the CEO while Satan is the competitor and attack on Job are the hoodlums while all other workers are the angels who are watching how loyal you will prove to be and whether you truly worth the office he gave you!

Dude... Honestly u deserve olympic gold in mental gymnastics, flying around never landing. If u can't explain the point u r going for in few sentences then u don't know what u r talking about, non of what uve said explains the point neither do the references u provide act as references for ur thought process. Your analogies meet me halfway at best and that's been lenient. For example if i say Adam and Eve knew they had done something wrong and God wasn't happy, checking the bible, no verse explicitly states that but if u read Gen 3 you can easily deduce that because they hid from God and then God drove them out. Simplistic example but straight to the point, no plenty halfway analogies and tangential refrences. I tried to have an open mind even while obvious uve been waffling but i gave the benefit of doubt. At least i cleared that doubt. We've not even gone anywhwere before u started beating around the bush. Anyways all the best, cause we'd head nowhere. Do better.

MaxInDHouse:
Please what exactly was God talking about when He mentioned His heavenly sons to Job? Job 38:7
Let's start from there!

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i don't know. do tell.

MaxInDHouse:
Please what exactly was God talking about when He mentioned His heavenly sons to Job? Job 38:7
Let's start from there!

🤦🏽
i don't know. do tell.

MaxInDHouse:
Thanks for complying with my opinion i'm sorry if this got you annoyed but that's how i does my own things.

First of all the name Satan never appeared in the Bible not until God called him to notice a man named "Job" Job 1:6-8
From this narrative it's clear that only God and Satan knew what they're both dragging because God specifically mentioned one man out of all the inhabitants of the earth meaning Satan could turn them against God but as for this man Satan can't break his integrity.

So why can we say other sons of God in the heavens (angels) are watching to see who truly is right between Satan and their father (God)
God went on to tell Job that the mortal man doesn't know what was involved right from the beginning as angels are praising God as worthy of praise for all his works:

When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause? Job 38:7

These are the ones watching to see how the challenge goes so God must not misuse His power in order to continue gaining the heart of His loyal spirit sons otherwise they may feel that Satan could have a point.

At your leisure you can read the whole of Job chapter 38 where God was saying that Job's existence is not what really count even though God has warned Satan twice not to kill the faithful man! Job 1:12; 2:6

Bro what's all this? Come on! You've gone on a tangent again saying a lot while communicating nothing. Expected though. Pls be honest, how does ur write up there answer or explain the question : 'How did u come about this that God would have likely destroyed Satan instantly but chose not to for "reasons" ??' Your writeup does nothing to explain how u came to ur earlier conclusion or communicate your thought process to form ur deductions or maybe im dumb, but i doubt that. I doubt anyone that reads that would be satisfied even with the references. I read them all.

MaxInDHouse:
You're not serious jọọ.

If you want to know something you pick points that's disturbing to you as for me everything i typed has backups in the Bible but you can't expect me to start telling you this is for that nah.
It's your who feels what you're reading is strange that will pick the point one after another!

Like i said, its not any particular points, its all of it, as it doesnt disturb me or feel strange like u implied but rather seen by me as made up nonsense based on what u feel and not on the bible hence i asked you to walk me through how u came up with the anecdote, maybe im ignorant. But since u r aiming for plausible deniability, ill indulge you. I've already pointed out your contradiction that invalidates everything up there of which you went on a tangent with more waffle, so lets start from the beginning.

You stated this: "Satan would have been destroyed instantly the moment he challenged God's sovereignty but then how will other sons of God feel about their father if Satan was destroyed immediately?" How did u come about this that God would have likely destroyed Satan instantly but chose not to for "reasons" cause thats what you implied, yes?! What part of the bible made u have that thought process or get that implication to form this narrative?

MaxInDHouse:
If you want to know something you pick the points that's disturbing you one after the other and let's see if the answers are there in your copy of the Bible!

Nah, not points, basically all of it, ergo i said walk me through ur thought process of all of it with bible refs that made u come to this pov. U get?!

MaxInDHouse:
Brutal killings of creatures whose death is sure whether quickly or later.
You need to know the difference between the three first rebels and imperfect humans who has expiring date, there's no reason to allow them live when God's program is ongoing to resolve issues.
For instance consider an adversary who claims he is better than you in handling matters and any of his agents he is using.
If your adversary dies you can't win because people will say it's due to his death that what he claimed wasn't actualized but what about his agents who are irrelevant regarding the challenge? Do you think their destruction has anything to do with the challenge?
Of course not he supposed to continue his own plans without obstructing yours but if his agents comes close to your plans taking them away doesn't mean you're intolerant most especially when the original challenger still lives to work at what he said without disturbing your own plans.

Of course to defend the ironic wafffling done up there after contradicting urself u go on a tangent of more waffling with vague platitudes not realising how tone deaf u sound, quite typical. U guys are so funny that u r not funny. But lets say the concocted drivel of a thought process is valid, which it'll never be, how did u come about this thought process using ur bible? What are ur references or referrals in the bible to come up with that☝🏾. Cause i sure as heck can't see any of this in my bible or did god whisper it in ur ear or dreams? Especially with the shallow analogies completing the convoluted mess of a response.

MaxInDHouse:
That's how a real powerful and all wise person settles issues not just killing His opposers due to anger!

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The irony of this waffle considering all the brutal killings and more in your bible. Lol!

Your whole bible is filled with contradictions nevermind the contradictions of one your numerous denominations with a different interpretation, all the while claiming to hear from the same God.

Kobojunkie:
Idahosa was cut of the same cloth!

Do tell. How so?

This reminds me of a similar thread i saw a whilebk on reddit, saved a convo and meme i found funny.

Dtruthspeaker:
No one directly insulted and ad hominemed Christ even before He Spoke.

Everyone first listened to what He Said then they responded by asking reasonable questions or they put forward their reasonable questions and He Responded to them. It was a simple and reasonable engagement.

But none of this takes place here. You evils have made this section as a war zone and a kill or be killed situation

And funny you support the insults of Christians and God and you even praise your brothers for doing so, but when we defend ourselves and fight back you complain.

Clear proof that you atheists are evil and unreasonable people with zero sense of Just is. (Anyway, we all understand that criminals will never like just is)

Damn! This convoluted mess of a response obviously doesn't deserve a coherent reply since you lack basic comprehensive skills, which is quite sad. Imagine being this confident and obtuse to miss a simple point and jump on a needless tangent. Anyways the cognitive dissonance u just displayed shows u are clearly not someone with enough brain cells to be reasoned with. Hv a nice life!

Simply because the bible is a collection of subjective apocryphal texts of the culture and understanding of the divine with respect to the Jewish people. These subjective apocryphal texts are then passed on as objective facts even though they fall like a pack of cards under tiny scutiny. It contradicts itself so much leading to different interpretations of however you want to twist it ergo christianity has over 10000 denominations.

Even people from the same denominations have differing interpretations of the same source and sometimes don't see eye to eye. Heck the origin of Christianity which is Judaism doesn't even believe in christianity and Jesus. The intention of 1 Cor 1:10 paints a different picture from what's existing today, and as usual the devil would be blamed while they forget factions had already formed even in the early church. Even the total number of books in the bible is subjective depending on ur denomination. So...

Eye witness testimony is one of the most flawed ways to verify evidence hence its even no longer foolproof in court. Human perception of the same event can vary wildly. 10 people witness an event, ask them to chronological detail the events a few mins after it occured and you get a convoluted mess 10 different ways. Now what happens when you decide to document an event some 50-400 yrs after it occured?! Well...

Add to that the context of the culture and understanding of the world (quite limited world view) at the time, the context of the language, of which some are obsolete leading to not perfectly understood subjective translations and u get different interpretation s. But in all these, if they are divinely inspired according to the verse quoted above and the claims of Christians, shouldn't at least 2 denominations have the same exact doctrines.... But it isn't so, making 1 Cor 1:10 futile and the whole thing doubtful.

Makes me appreciate the statement, "Religion is simply a precursor to science" nothing more.