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Beautiful irony.

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This is the dumbest thing ive read this week. Btw u forgot to mention Job, perfect example😏. Funny how god couldn't just outright forgive, he had to kill his child in blood sacrifice to be able to forgive. Interesting.

Cause you're a confirmed fraudster and charlatan, big hypocrite too.

FOLYKAZE:
Matthew the apostle is not the same as Matthew the gospel writer. As a matter of fact, the cannonical gospel are pseudonym ascribe by the church father Eusebius.

On this note, the Matthew the gospel writer is simply penning down retorted tales as passed down many decades after Jesus has supposedly died. He prolly copied from Q source and gospel of Mark. None of these writers met Jesus or witnessed the incidents they wrote. One can assume they are writing theological fictions

Preach.

Dododudu:
Right from the time I have a better understanding of what religion is and the difference in every religion, I have been wanting to ask this question. Is Bible the only religious book one can easily read, comprehend and remembered because it's the only book I have seen that's been referenced/quoted always from motivational speakers, neighbors, friends, random people and above all people of other religions that have nothing to do with Bible.
This quotes or references comes from random conversations, advice, jokes, comedy, movies, and many more.

I know some might be asking how many of other religious books have I read; but not withstanding I have seen scholars of other religion that have never for once quoted or referenced anything from their religious books randomly.

Which is why the question kept coming.

A couple of simple reasons. It's the dominant and most practiced religion in the world, secondly its the religion practiced by most people speaking the most dominant language(english) in the world of which all the media forms you consume is written in, finally its the dominant religion in your locale ergo you encounter more people who tend to cite it more often, in the popular language around.
Same reason why people all over recognize actors and cite lines from movies made in hollywood than any other film industry.

fadilaMaikiriki:
How please? I don't get. Is there another use of cucumber that I don't know of. I thought cucumber is for eating. What other use are you all talking about please?

Fool

rapheal5:
Mr Truth, what's the name of this book?

That guy is spewing a lot of hot garbage. Probably got his stories from some stupid youtube vids trying to get clicks by creating a supposed interesting narrative by mixing all sorts of stories together. If you're really interested read up on Ancient Near Eastern Cultures and Religions from renowned scholars not this ignorant garbage being spewed confidently here.

johnydon22:
What if Christians provide logical explanations to this, would it change your mind?

Logic and Christianity are parallel lines😄

Two words really, contradiction & logic, so much contradiction, so little logic. Basically it contradicts itself, contradicts it's philosophy and teachings, contradicts a lot of actual history and the science of how the world works. The more logic the more it shatters what's contained in the book especially when u add context. Context of how it was compiled, translated and written, context of culture and politics, economic context, geographical context and context of the time period as well.

Well what do you expect of a book comprised of a lot of different genres, written over a period of more than a thousand years by anonymous authors passed off as popular figures, severally compiled, editied and redacted that what we have are copies of copies of copies of copies of the supposed original manusripts which are lost and were written in a different language which along the way posed serious translation issues and was then passed off as a singular book of which the contents varies depending which denomination u ask.

Its no surprise really that christains can't universally agree on its content and try to explain inconsistencies away with vague platitudes. Perfect irony really.

The frigging irony. As if you christains even believe the same thing or agree on the same interpretation of your texts. So yall would just have the same thing arguing on whose interpretation is correct without the non religious people callling it all bs. Same shit different container. Like i always say show me 2 christains who have exactly the same interpretation of the "divinely" inspired bible from cover to cover and uld have shown me a miracle😏

franchasofficia:
If you have to kill to defend your god or your Prophet then you are stupid and useless


This is what makes Christians different from others who kill people that insult their Prophet. They kill to defend their Prophet that cannot defend itself

And who say christains have not killed people for what they consider blasphemy. Go and educate urself abeg before talking ignorantly.

LOl! Christians are some of the dumbest people ever. No offense.

Quintessence44:
So as you are now, a grown man with a dck, you actually believe the Creator of the Universe has a burning furnace that he will throw billions of people into to burn in screaming agony for TRILLIONS OF YEARS INTO INFINITY, because of the “sin” they committed in a brief 70 year human existence, of not “accepting” his ‘son’ as their “personal lord and saviour”.

You actually believe that shiit?

Would YOU do that to your Creation if you had godly powers?

I mean, damn….

Tell me something..

What type of enjoyment can you possibly be having in heaven that will make your conscience ignore the billions of people screaming in agony in the ‘lower floors’ of hellfire?

Are you a sadist?

Well if you've read ur bible, ud definitely know the god of the bible is capable of such sadism ergo its no surprise followers revel in broadcasting such sadism. This shouldn't surprise you.

All these charlatans and conjuring ways to drain their gullible sheeple. Pastors, motivational speakers, life coaches, politicians, self help gurus, 419'ers, scam artists, crypto memecoin creators, ponzi creators, capitalists all have one thing in common. Robbing gullible fools blind without em knowing it.

ive never seen a set of foolish people like most Nigerians. Like do you guys get thrills in snapping and posting victims lifeless bodies to deliver maximum shock value to their relatives or what?! All just 4 social media engagement, a lot of times instead of helping vicitms , the premium fools would be busy takinv)g pics of the helpless victim. Yall forget anyone could be a victim, and its on social media ur family would get their scocking news of you too as you could one day wear the same shoes. M0rons lacking empathy.

Nobody knows. What u get are mostly guesses and hypothesis at best. The ones claming to know can't prove anything.

Ance4Liverpool:
The guy might not be paying his tite complete thats why the error occured to expose him

Typical religious m.oron

AbuTwins:
According to modern research and scholarship, there is a consensus that the Gospels are not considered pseudepigraphical. Pseudepigraphy refers to the practice of falsely attributing a work to a specific author. In the case of the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John), while the exact authors are not definitively known, they are traditionally attributed to these names.

Scholars generally believe that the Gospels were not intended to deceive readers about their authorship. Instead, they are seen as works that were compiled by early Christian communities based on oral traditions, eyewitness accounts, and other sources. The Gospels were likely written anonymously, with the traditional attributions to specific disciples (such as Matthew and John) being added later for identification purposes.

While modern scholarship acknowledges that the Gospels underwent editing and redaction over time, they are not typically classified as pseudepigraphical in the same way that other ancient texts are. The focus is more on understanding the historical context, literary styles, theological perspectives, and intended audiences of the Gospel writers rather than questioning their authorship as deliberate forgeries.

Hehe! I too know how to use a gpt for copy pasta. First off where did this modern consensus that they're not pseudepigraphy come from, probably the gpt trying not to be offensive. There are lots of books in the new testament where authorship is claimed but the attributed authors certainly didn't write and certainly claimed to be who they're not, if that's not forgery i don't know what is. Normally they'll be called forgeries, but because that's a morally loaded term most academic and historical scholars prefer the term psesudepigrapha.

Yes not all the 27 books are pseudepigrapha, some've got pseudonymous authorship or rather pseudepigraphic which is, they are falsely attributed to the authors and not necessarily the authors claiming that they are so-and-so person, but by some circumstance they were falsely attributegnod to the author, so basically false attribution. The rest are well yeah, they're non-pseudepigraphical or say autonomous. Even 2 thesselonians 2:2 and 3:17 highlights this issue of forgeries and they were welll aware.

Out of the 27 books just 8 have a consensus of being non-psedepigraphical. 7 out of 13 letters attributed to Paul are actually written by him and then a guy named John that wrote revelation, not necessarily John son of Zebedee but a John as it was a common name. Romans, 1st & 2nd Corinthians, Galatians, Philippians 1st Thessalonians and Philemon were written by Paul and the others either probably not or almost certainly not depending on which scholar you ask. So if someone claiming to be Paul wrote something and passed it as Paul, if that isn't Pseudepigraphy i don't know what is.

Sources : Bart Ehrman, Forgeries & Counter forgeries
            Elaine Pagels, The Gnostic Gospels
            John Crossan, Birth of Christianity.

jazzman7711:
There were no writers named ‘Matthew’, ‘Mark’, ‘Luke’ and ‘John’.

Those names were simply attached to ANONYMOUSLY written texts.

So nobody actually knows who wrote the New Testament.

It’s completely anonymous!

The texts materialised from goodness-knows-where roughly 70 years after ‘Jesus’ had supposedly ‘ascended to heaven’.

All this is well known to the church, ie the Vatican etc.

People are just being misled with this christianity of a thing.

How can you be worshiping something and yet you don’t know who wrote the book?

Well done you just discovered pseudepigraphy.

MaxInDHouse:
The flooding continued for 40 days on the earth, and the waters kept increasing and began carrying the ark, and it was floating high above the earth. 17

And the waters continued overwhelming the earth for 150 days. 24

For forty days it rained but it took 150 days for the water subside! Genesis 8:3

Simple logic!
Ordinarily when a place is flooded with a heavy rain for a whole day it often takes more than a week for the flood to subside so that the place could be accessible like before nah!

Can you imagine the planet covered with water for 24x40 hours none stop then someone said it took up to four times the period it rained for the water to dry up and you are confused!

Yes logic. But lets say u are right😁 right?! The interpretation is somehow according to logic that it took 150 days to dry up, 4 times the time it took to rain. 🧐🤔 But then again Gen 7: 11 and Gen 8 14 : 16 basically says it took 1 year and 10 days for the earth to dry up. So pls enlighten me with more mental gymnastics, sorry logic.

FxMasterz:
My dear, it don't actually want to argue regarding these things. But let me just say a few things:

1. In the days of Noah, cultures have not yet developed. The earth was just a few years old.

2. There can be widespread fossil deposits all over the world because at the time, there were just few humans. The world was not yet well populated.

3. Archeologists cannot claim they've not found the so called sedimentary layers of deposits they're looking for except:

a. They've escalated the earth deep enough, almost perforating the globe.

b. They have had several sample floods of over 4,000yrs old that made such sedimentary layers deposits to be able to generalize that such deposits must be found also for Noah's flood.

And please, get my point. When a story is passed down through the ages, it would become a myth somewhere along the line when the story has been so distorted that it now looks unbelievable. This applies to both written and oral narrations. If what's written or heard is considered to be something believable, humans won't call it a myth.

There are myths regarding the flood in a vast many culture around the world. The Bible records exactly what happened with great attention to detail, while the myths from different cultures sound like fables. There's clarity regarding the event in the Bible. We know how many days the rains fell. How long it took the floods to dry away, and the medium through which it was dried up. We also know where the ark was grounded. These are not mere myths.

The fact that several other cultures recorded the event proves it happened. Science can not provide 100% proof or disproof for an event that took place 4,000 yrs ago in the absence of everyone of us. They can only make deductions and pray their dedications are correct.

😁 Da fuq! Man u really just confirmed ur level with this ur bullet points huh! U really need to educate urself man cause... Anyways no plenty talk, it's still simple really, can u provide proof of any of ur claims so far with sources?? No & Never! End of story. If science can't provide 100% proof, please by all means provide ur 100% proof to make and establish ur claim as fact. 😁

MaxInDHouse:
You see your problem?

Different books from different races told stories and after considering it all i agreed with one as the real truth of the matter so it has now become my story shey?

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You said the inspired writers never contradict themselves. I said tor. How many days did the rains falll for, you come dey talk plenty to perform tangential mental gymnastics.

Ok . pls explain this differing lengths of the rainfall in Gen 7: 17 and Gen 7 : 24. It didnt even go to a different chapter to contadict itself. lol!

FxMasterz:
Maybe you don't understand what I meant. Every myth started as an oral tradition until it metamorphoses into a myth with varying degrees of distortions. If history is written down, it will never become a myth even in the next 10 million years. That cannot be said of oral history.

If bones have not been found today, who says they won't be found tomorrow? Have archeologists uncovered all there is to be unconvered in the earth?


Noah preceded the Sumerians, so how can he be Sumerian? Or do you think the biblical accounts were compiled at the same time the flood events took place? If the stories have been 'documented' as you claimed before the Tanakh was written, what makes you disbelieve the story? The absence of bones?


What type of evidence do you need for the flood? You want to see ancient waters that flooded the earth? Or you want to see ancient bone fossils that are in the earth? How are you to differentiate a fossil from the flood catastrophe to a non-flood fossil? And I ask you again? How old is archeology? Have they finished exploring the whole world?



All the myths you mentioned prove something happened. It may not be as exactly as they described it, but there's something that happened. And who told you a dragon never existed? You might be long gone before science finds evidence for that. Many things science claimed in the past have been reviewed in the face of new findings. If different cultures say the world was created from chaos, it only shows the thinking of the ancients about the origin of the world. What's the difference between the Big bang theory and the Chaos myth? What the ancients call chaos, science calls it big bang.

When myths are found in different cultures with similar lines of narration, there's one truth to it all even though the accounts may conflict. A flood happened, and different cultures try to narrate it in different ways.

"If for instance you yourself never wrote a book, and you depart this world without anything written about you. Someday, your existent would be regarded as a myth."
I responded with the bones comment to the above, so uve ended up contradicting urself. Written history offers some advantages in terms of preservation and longevity, it is not immune to the influence of myth, interpretation, and cultural bias. See king authur, Beowulf, the fact its written down doesn't stop it from being myth, they blended historical elements with myth, so wth?!

Good so Noah wasnt Sumerian, so what culture was he from? And please show me sources that show his culture was the oldest existing civilization for his own story to come before the sumerians. And please i wonder the oldest writings in the bibl:e can be dated to when as against the sumerian texts?? As for why i disbelieve the story its common sense really, its proven fact and i repeat proven objective fact that a global flood never occured leading to loss of all life. Not the way the sumerians before you said it happened, not the way you said it happened in your bible after adapting their story. If u say it did, please prove it. If you say your story came first before theirs countering all the researches by scholars, please prove it. Objective facts and evidence, not mythology and myth. And trust me i know more about the historical context of the writing of your bible than you do but thats not even relevant.

You seriously did not ask me about what kind of evidence. Are u having a laugh or being purposefully obtuse. How did we find out about any of the examples in my previous comment. Im tired of typing but let me just highlight a few ways to educate you, you could read up on em fully l8r to educate urself better.  Geological Evidence - Sedimentary layers or deposits indicative of a global flood would be found worldwide, suggesting widespread inundation and sedimentation. Paleontological Evidence - Fossil records would show evidence of mass extinction events and rapid burial of organisms across different environments and geographic regions, it would be too numerous to be undiscoverable by now, abi nor be the whole world die😁??Genetic Evidence : Genetic studies of extant species would reveal patterns of population bottlenecks, genetic diversity, and phylogenetic relationships consistent with recent population reductions and subsequent expansions. Just to name a few , you have access to the internet right?!

Yes the myths prove something happened, did it hapoen the way they said it did? obviously no, from their implausible and even contradictory accounts like the noah story. The Aztecs believed the gods blocked out the sun cause they were angry with em and scarificed people to bring bk the sun. Did the gods block the sun cause they were angry?! No..  Did the sun get blocked... Yes. It was just an eclipse. Did they understand that?! No... So they explained it how best they could. Floods happen all the time, one's going on in Brazil right now. Ancient people on average were less travelled and much of the world undiscovered then, so if ur city's flooded its like the whole world's flooded and worst part u dont understand why, so u explain it as best u can. Basically the god's are mad.

If you say Drogon, Rhegal and Bealon the dread  existed, prove it😁. Afterall dinosaurs did'nt hide nau. Its funny you allude to the same science thats disproven your story but thats the beauty of science, its isnt close minded, it works on observable evidence to prove and disprove and when new observable evidence comes up, its open minded enough to accept it, not bendover backwards doing mental gymnastics on dem say, dem say. If i wouldn't just believe everything i read in this 21st century, why should i believe something written, compiled, redacted, edited, copied over 1500 year period with a lot of pseudepigraphy from unknown authors, Kafkaesque translations, different genres filled with contradictions and what we even have today's so removed from the original texts as they're copies of copies of copies of copies. Even when you photocopy something too much, it becomes illegible. Occam's razor man.

22jumpstreet:
Well, I guess you are still a toddler...

When you grow up you will understand..

It's all about time...

I sure do aspire to attain the ancient wisdom of the random nobody on the internet. Hope to be like u when i grow up.

bobestman:
All these flood stories and you are still doubting

Well search for Igbos, Yorubas and even Binis account of the deluge and you will find more. The fact that all have something to say about the deluge shows that it happened. The Igbo survivor was Eri. Their was only one Survivor and together with his family a new world began. The problem is how their ancestors interpreted it to them

What Many of You Don't Know About this World

This world is ruled by some wicked god men. Ea was one of those gods mentioned above. He is Enki and today known as Yahweh. He is not God Almighty but one of his sons. His .brother his Enlil. They are the ones responsible for the flood.
When the world is ripe. Their is usjsuually a ret. The reset is usully by flood or fire. Many will die. Few will excape and a few willl be left to begin a new world. This is the program ofe the gods. In the bible you see it in the time of Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah. It happened many time. Search for Ourtruth on this forum and read many if his write ups. He wrote a lot on this issue. It's the god game!

Myth mythology myth. Without proof it'll be nothing more. Floods have been happening everywhere forever. Heck there's even one going on in Brazil right now. They had no sensible explanations and attributed it to something else same as the eclipse. Now we know better. So except u have proof of a global flood occuring, its empty talk.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy if you read books you should know how many days at least you have many stories so pick whatever they told you the point is you can't dispute the fact that all races agreed that there was a global deluge!

Simple question u running mouth like tap😄. You cant even get ur story straight.

MaxInDHouse:
If you're a policeman sent to investigate a case will you just rap it up as lies after hearing different stories from people?
Real investigators continue their job until they get to the root which is the person who can give you all the details.
So if you want to know all the details about the global deluge go and find a copy of the Bible!

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Simple question, simple answer, already babbling. U answering the question or nah? Quite simple really, no unecessary analogies.

MaxInDHouse:
The inspired writers never contradict themselves no Bible book goes against the fact that Noah built an ark and eight souls were saved. It's people who weren't inspired but whose ancestors heard something similar that are contradicting themselves.

You don't say. How long did the rains fall for?

FxMasterz:
How do you want to get historical valid sources for things that happened ever before Writing was invented? Are you kidding me?

We call it myth only because it is delivered through oral tradition. After thousands of years, historical facts delivered through oral traditions would be regarded as myths.

If for instance you yourself never wrote a book, and you depart this world without anything written about you. Someday, your existent would be regarded as a myth.

The fact that many ancient cultures hold this myth in their tradition is evidence that something like that took place. It happened. The striking similarities between the narrations also prove it happened as these stories are not told by people who sat down at the same table to formulate the same myth.

First of, its not called myth because its delivered through "oral traditions". That's oral history. Myths typically refers to traditional stories, narratives, or legends that may incorporate elements of history, symbolism, and cultural beliefs. Besides the bones wouldnt dissapear, itll be there to be found as hard evidence, carbon dating and dental records would identify the Doe.

Secondly it seems the sacarsm of my previous comment flew over or maybe some comprehension issues even after reading the post ergo ill break it downl.  Simple question was Noah Sumerian? Yes or No?! Cause those other flood stories mentioned there came about from the oldest civilization that existed thousands of years before your isrealites. Those stories were documented thousands of years before the compilation of the Tanakh.
So how come your iteration of the story comes first and is the valid one hence my sacarstic comment about Noah's children going back in time.

like i said nothing more than a succesive iteration of the myth from their fellow older mesopotaminan neighbours before them. And it'll always be a myth beacuse there'll never be sources to back it up. Unlike these various flood myths, we have various fact based evidence for things we weren't there for like, the formation of continents, glacial periods and ice age, speration of the continents, explosions of volcanoes and even some from oral history like oral accounts of native American tribe migrations supported by hard evidence. Of course unlike a global catastrophic flood without even a shred of geological or archaeological evidence for something of that magnitude.

And lastly the fact that similar motifs with differing accounts never serves as proof for said motif. Does the fact we have a motifs across different cultures that say the world was created from Chaos mean its true?! The dragon slayer motif across different cultures means dragons exist?! The fact that we have stories from different cultures about the journies to the underworld means it exists and u go and return?! Come on! The ironic thing been even the point of the flood was defeated.

MaxInDHouse:
It's simple all their ancestors told them stories about a global deluge but since there was no proper documentation the only source we have today that has all the details is the Bible inspired by the Creator Himself!

Cool... So we just accept every story we are told as fact and proof like the Nigeria India 99 - 1 story, thats without even getting into the inefficacy of oral history. But then you say "inspired" by the creator. If this story was inspired by the creator, shouldn't it be free from contradictions?

Kobojunkie:
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FxMasterz:
Here are 10 flood stories from history, myth, and folklore, along with their valid sources. I'm posting just 10 out of numerous available sources.

1. Mesopotamian Flood Myths
- Epic of Gilgamesh: As you have mentioned earlier, this ancient Mesopotamian epic contains a flood story. The flood narrative can be found in Tablet XI of the Epic of Gilgamesh.
- Atrahasis Epic: This Babylonian myth also includes a flood story. The flood narrative can be found in Tablet III of the Atrahasis Epic.

2. Greek Mythology:
- Deucalion and Pyrrha: This flood myth is recounted in Ovid's Metamorphoses, specifically in Book I.
- Hyginus's Fabulae: Hyginus, a Latin author, also includes a version of the flood myth in his work Fabulae, particularly in Fabula 153.

3. Chinese Mythology:
- Classic of Mountains and Seas (Shan Hai Jing): This ancient Chinese text contains the story of the Great Flood. References to the flood myth can be found in various sections of the Classic of Mountains and Seas.
- Chronicles of Huayang: This historical text from ancient China also mentions the Great Flood.

4. Native American Flood Myths:
- Hopi Flood Myth: This myth is part of the oral tradition of the Hopi people. It has been documented in various anthropological and ethnographic studies of Native American cultures.
- Navajo Flood Story: The Navajo people also have a flood story known as the Emergence or Glittering World story, which describes a cataclysmic flood and the survival of humans and animals.

5. Sumerian Mythology:
- Eridu Genesis: This Sumerian myth includes a flood story and can be found in various Sumerian literary texts. The flood narrative is part of the wider Eridu Genesis narrative.

6. Indian Mythology:
- Matsya Purana: The Matsya Purana, one of the eighteen major Puranas in Hinduism, contains a flood story involving the god Vishnu taking the form of a fish to save Manu and various creatures.

7. [b[Egyptian Mythology:[/b]
- The Book of the Heavenly Cow: This ancient Egyptian text contains a flood myth involving the destruction of humanity by the sun god Ra and the subsequent rebirth of the world.

8. Norse Mythology:
- Gylfaginning (Prose Edda): In Norse mythology, there is a story about a great flood called the Fimbulwinter, which is described in the Prose Edda attributed to Snorri Sturluson.

9. Polynesian Mythology:
- Te Punga-o-Nuku (Maori Mythology): Maori mythology includes a flood story known as Te Punga-o-Nuku, where a man named Tāwhaki saves himself and his family from a deluge.

10. Japanese Mythology:
- Kojiki and Nihon Shoki: These ancient Japanese texts contain references to a mythological flood known as the Age of the Gods flood, which plays a significant role in the creation and history of Japan.

These sources provide a diverse range of flood myths from various cultures, showcasing common themes of cataclysmic floods, survival on boats or arks, divine intervention, and the renewal of life after the flood.

So... more iterations of myths like the Noah story. How does myth qualify as objective fact?! I wonder. How does providing more myth prove a certain myth happened. And please get rid of the "history" in ur reply and leave just the folklore and myth cause i certainly see no historical valid sources of "the flood", talkless of scientific or archeological or geographical.