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FxMasterz:
The similarities further confirms the truth of the Bible.

There were 3 brothers in their ark. All three would share their stories with their children. The story would spread from each child to several generations. Different versions of the stories would arise with the passage of time since it is being passed down by oral tradition. But the bottom-line of the story will remain true - that there was one a flood that erased the whole world.

While satan has infused the story with lies by telling the human race that a god destroyed the earth with a flood because men made too much noise, the Bible made it clear that God Almighty destroyed the earth with a flood because of sin and wickedness. Satan does not want to discourage anyone from sinning and doing wickedness, so you can expect him to lead people astray and tell them the flood happened because some noise while he also tells some others that there was never a flood.

If the flood story was only found in the Bible without having any extrabiblical counterpart, we might have reasons to question the Biblical narration. This is because, the Bible alone cannot be the only source of information for an event that was witnessed by the whole world.

It is a lack of sound judgement for anyone to disparage the Biblically account just because it is found in other myths. The myths further confirm the Biblical narrative. They do not negate it in anyway.

Ah yes! I like how u literally think out of the box. Its definitely plausible that the brothers would share the stories with their children and their children would go back in time at least 1000+ years to share the story with the oldest civilizations and have them documented before coming back to their time to tell the story. Oh! and passing it down orally. before being finally documented thousands of years later. Totally agree. While at it pls also provide valid sources for this "one flood". I wnt to think out of the box too.🙂

AbuTwins:
Yeah, how is that related ?

Just a junkie with an itch. Pay no heed😁

Kobojunkie:
You enjoy arguing just for the heck of it, don't you? You like to pick an argument where there really ought to exist none at all.

Josephus' mention of James brother of Jesus Christ who was killed does one thing and one thing only. It provides possible evidence for the claim made in Scripture regarding Jesus Christ having a brother called James.

It in no way provides credibility to the claims made by Eusebius regarding James(brother of Jesus), at all.
Do you now see why and how this statement below more aptly describes you and not me?

Like Prop Joe would say, "burdensome *****". I wonder who Eusebius cited in his works and used as a source Maybe a man born way before him around 37Ce, called Flavius or something🤔... Oh its a random guy called Flavius Josephus! Burdensome! 😏 Funny enough u r right... Where's the evidence to even show James existed or even Mary or Joseph or Jesus or Peter or any disciple🙄

Kobojunkie:
You should have asked this from the start.

No evidence ties James, of whom Eusebius supposedly wrote, to the birth blood of Jesus Christ. Dig deep and you figure this out for yourself. The claims made by these men who are today referred to by Christians are their Church Fathers are almost all — over 99%— based on supposition, not fact. These men were of the group referred to as dogs — non-Israelites — by Jesus Christ, and He did warn His followers not to give that which is Holy to them. That many of the very same should then pretend to hold the keys to the very same Kingdom of God ought to raise flags of doubt, rather than cause belief.

lol! You don't say. Couldn't care for the rest of the theological bs about ur Jesus and what not but the bold claim there. Asides for Eusebius, Josephus who lived during the time period way before James' death in 62CE and didnt even write theologically primarily but historically pointed out same thing. James' Jesus' brother. So wth?!🤨

22jumpstreet:
Yes, they incorporated it into their own belief system. They are just myths.

We are expected to read them and learn the spiritual messages in them..

Nothing more nothing less..

I don't see no spiritual messages in them but fair enough. Valid point.

Kobojunkie:
Look who's talking! Read again! While If you fail to grasp the reason behind a post, stop and ask questions!

🤦🏽 And what does James' death in 70CE have to with anything.

NiRfreak:
A low budget Christian is who u are...,u know nothing about the Oracle, judgement ad righteousness of God...
All your rightousness and anointing can never near that of Samson....u better keep shut and stop talking thrash u domt know...beg God for mercy, understanding and humility cos u lack it
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Same Paul and all Early Christians read Old testament..but u are here saying God of old testament is different...what a blasphemy! Same Old testament God that Jesus and Early Christians read about and worship?
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Nigerian Christians are so holier than Old testament Men that God called righteous? Lol
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What a shame and idiocy....

Christains and rising like eba once u question their indoctrinated beliefs. Leave the messenger, deal with the message.

Kobojunkie:
Balderdash! James, the blood brother of Jesus Christ, probably died in Jerusalem before 70 AD.

🤭 Always looking for arguments where they dont exist and then displaying igorance. He's referring to birth of Eusebius, writer of the source of the text. Damn!

fightingdemons:
Think of these

No offense bro, i understand where u coming from as christainity actually assmilated stuffs from other religions but this graphic you posted is basically mashed up garbage, except maybe I'm ignorant and don't understand it. I presume there's a lot of incorrect info depicted as fact from the little i know. First off Nimrod is basically from Judeo-Christain texts and im sure you can't provide refrences to Nimrod explicitly named in any valid mesopotamian texts, not to talk of being linked with the goddess ishtar.

Secondly how is Inanna persian?! She's basically Ishtar and she's sumerian. Over time as religious and cultural influences shifted she became known as Ishtar and there's no valid sources for her connection to the hebrew bible guy Nimrod. So i very much doubt the story here. Very few sources like the 'Damudiz-Inanna' myth depicts Tammuz another deity as her son. Most depict him as her consort/Lover like the well known 'Decent of Inanna', when she went underworld to save him. Caveat here been oral traditions obviously differed between similar cultures.

So the story doesn't jive, no reputable and valid sources to back the Dec 25th birth of Tammuz either. Non from mesopotamian texts. Also Baal being Roman... 30BCE, Nah! So i presume rest of the info is wrong as well. Definitely  elements of truth there though about the general central claim.

MyVILLAGEpeople:
Makes sense

Thanks mate.

The story of Noah and the "Great Flood" is basically one of the most iconic yet apocryphal tales in judeo - christianity. We all heard the story growing up, but without even considering the implausibilty and feasibility, we may have overlooked the mythological elements similarly found in ancient near eastern cultures. The paralllels with the mythology of these older cultures and religions basically explains the origins of the apocryphal tale and how the it was passed down overtime to newer cultures and religions and adapted for purpose.

**The Epic of Gilgamesh:**
One of the most notable parallels to the story of Noah is found in the Epic of Gilgamesh, an ancient Mesopotamian poem from around 2100 BCE. In this epic, the character Utnapishtim recounts a tale very similar to Noah's. Like Noah, Utnapishtim is warned by a god (in this case, Ea) about an impending flood. He builds a massive ark to save himself, his family, and representatives of the animal kingdom. After the flood subsides, Utnapishtim sends out birds to search for dry land, much like the dove sent by Noah. The gods in the Epic of Gilgamesh decide to flood the earth due to human overpopulation and noise, while in the biblical narrative, God sends the flood to cleanse the Earth of wickedness.

**The Atrahasis Epic:**
Another Mesopotamian text, the Atrahasis Epic, dating back to around 1700 BCE, also features a flood story. In this tale, the gods create humans to serve them, but the noise of humanity becomes too much to bear. The god Enlil decides to send a flood to destroy humanity, but the god Enki warns the protagonist, Atrahasis, to build an ark to survive the food. This flood is caused by the gods' frustration with the noise and overpopulation of humanity, echoing themes found in both the Epic of Gilgamesh and the story of Noah.

**The Ziusudra Myth:**
In Sumerian mythology, the Ziusudra myth tells of a great flood sent by the gods to destroy humanity. Ziusudra, the Sumerian equivalent of Noah, is instructed by the god Enki to build a boat to escape the flood. After the floodwaters recede, Ziusudra offers sacrifices to the gods and is granted immortality. This story predates both the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Atrahasis Epic, iindicating the enduring presence of flood myths in ancient Near Eastern cultures.

Basially, the story of Noah and the "Great Flood" is just one iteration of a widespread mythological motif that transcends neighouring cultural and religious boundaries, nothing more than myth.The implausibility and contradictions in the story itself further enhance this claim. Like the varying accounts of the length of the period of rain in the flood. How all the species alive(considering biodiversity and geographical and climate challenges) fit into a boat of that size when they're in millions and wouldn't even fit in the largest mordern day cruise ship.

For example was it just 2 bears or 2 Brown bears, 2 black bears, 2 polar bears, 2 sloth bears... lets not even talk about more biodiverse species, some of which have gone extinct. Its not just feasible or plausible. Flood myths have been a part of ancient near eastern cultures and the hebrew tale is nothing more than an iteration and adaptation of the tale from older cultures. A myth and nothing more.

kingxsamz:
Lol, Yahweh's children are always like that.
I answered your question and even raised many points which you ignored because you don't have any proper rebuttal.
You have nothing to say so you cIaim they're unintelligent because you wan use style run/ abandon the argument. 😂

It won't take you anything to acknowledge that your god was being fuuIish when he asked people to stone others to death.
And it's always you sky daddy fans who complain about musIim extremism, but turn around to defend the same nonsense in your Bible.
When you finally dle and meet your fuuIish sky daddy, tell him I said hi. 😀

You got their m.o spot on. The frigging irony when they turn thier noses at muslim extremism, well the bible says remove whats in your eye before picking out someone else's, they clearly don't follow that. Then they claim it was the old testament, so ur god changed from his archaic ways?! Ask em if he changes his mind and watch em babble.

Steep:
you are stupid.

Stupid?! Where's the christ likesness😂. Nah, mistaken identity bro. I'm sure that's what they called ur mother and her mother before her. Good job keeping and surpassing family tradition by been a grade A m0ron though, strong genes i guess. Interesting how u guys always come up with a strawman, go on a needless tangent or come up with extremely moronic analogies even
a retarded kid would know makes no sense.  Anyways lets peel and comb over the layers of your moronic dross.
First off i like how u swerved on a tangent from the main argument when u knew u got nothing to defend it.

Thought u said it was just the amelekites?! Smooth brain! So u haven't even read what u defend mindlessly. And wtf is that analogy?! Government, guns...🤦🏽. Thats ur best, pity. Typical with the strong family genes though.
it's justice?! You don't say... Killing innocent children, women and even animals is jusitce, tearing children out of their pregnant mother's womb is justice, sexually assaulting women by checking if they're virgins after capturing em is nothing but justice, taking people's homes and disrupting their lives is justice. Need i more proof this is a grade A+ slowpoke.

As for ur daft retort about Saul been killed by an amalekite... so ur god really punished him for empathy on King Agag and that's ur comeback, u r having a laugh right?!😄 Satan's definitely nicer then, oh i forgot, its justice. That's not even considering the contradictory mess of a text. 1 sam 31 paints a different contradictory story of Saul commiting suicide with his armor bearer after getting shot by an arrow, then gets decapitated by the philistines. So which account is it from this contradictory divinely inspired dross?!

Fot ur last daft point. Where men created having discharge?! Nope, means that man is ill but a woman who was designed that way by the same "god" in a natural process in the life cycle created by the same "god" to then be labelled unclean... oh! and ur storm god  YHVH somehow then changes his mind about those rules too, What a joke.

Totally excluding people from certain positions is not the same as creating a category for them in certain positions but brain too smooth to recog that. Out of all the examples these were the only ones you could spring up a defence against?! disappointing it was a shallow one. The irony on top of it all is you would have been discriminated against as a black man with a big flat nose😄, lev 21 : 16 -20. That's if u weren't a slave first. Big joke propped up by burdensome jokers.

Cultic rituals?! What's that?! Don't u mean occultic🤔? Retard.

Steep:
It is only the Amalekites that God has ever commanded israel to completely destroy, It was justice against the amalekites.

You don't know what misogyny is. There is no misogyny in the bible.
Cultic rituals? Hahaha you mean occultic?
As an atheist you have no justification for good and evil, hence it is pointless.

When i said the voices with which u guys use to bellow shallow thought processes, are as loud as your ignorance it was'nt an insult, just plain ol fact. Why not educate urself instead of making urself look dense. The same god that said thou shall not kill went on to approve several killing sprees and its littered all over ur texts, but no... its just the amalekites and "they deserved it", what a loving god! 2Sam 5:25, 1Sam 11:11, 1Sam 6:19, Num 25:4, 31:17, Deut 7:2... all these are what?! Baby showers?!

Funny enough that's just a tip of the iceberg cause the killings and genocides are littered all over especially through joshua, judges, kings and samuel, basically military conquest. Saul was even punished for having empathy and sparing a life... Like wtf!!😄 So called god sponsored more killings that the evil satan. Knowing ur vocab is as average as your room temp iq, ill help to educate u  a bit. Misogyny?! Yes! Your holy book is littered with prejudice against women as can be seen from the clear example that's this topic.

Maybe i should rather eduate u with more examples : Lev 12 : 2, 15 : 19 -28, Num 5:12-31, Deut 25:5-10, 1TI 2:12, 1CO 14:34-35, Deut 24:1-4, Deut 22:13-21, Num 31:18. If those are not prejudice against women ild sure like to hear your myopic thoughts on what misogyny is. And as for cultic rituals?! yes, cultic rituals not occultic. Short iq, short vocab. There's lots of em as well, like the pact sealing ("convenant" similar to other Anciear near eastern cultural pacts between a suzerain and the vassal, like god and abraham or god and isreal. Or all the bountiful cleansing purity rituals. Man... go educate urself abeg. Loudly spouting dross, everyone that doesn't partake in ur dross is labelled "atheist" 🥱

kingxsamz:
Don't mind that one that only opens his bible on Sundays when his pastor instructs him. That's if he even attends church regularly.

Do they read?! Most of them don't even know what's in their bibles talkless of the various contexts surrounding it, but would defend it with voices as loud as their ignorance. Its typical, thats why they cant even agree on its interpretation ergo u see em arguing amongst themselves about whose denominational interpretation is "correct"

kingxsamz:
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Also, take not of the highlighted.

In addition :

Exodus 21:2-6
Deuteronomy 15:12-18
Titus 2:9-10
1 Timothy 6:1-2
Colossians 3:22
Ephesians 6:5
1 peter 2 : 18 - 20

Not to talk of the killings, genocide, infanticide, misogyny, discrimination, prejudice and cultic rituals.

Funny how all these miracles disappeared as means of collecting evidence appeared. Myth.

Jesus himself never found Christianity, dude was a full on jew practicing Judaism throughout his life. His teachings and life formed the basis of the Christian faith, Paul would be a more worthy founder.

InvertedHammer:
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Go and read the original version of the Bible written in Greek. Stop relying on the watered down, lost in translation English version of events. This is assuming that the story told by a third party many decades or centuries after the supposed creation is true. There are too many unanswered questions about creationism. Did God create water? Did God create darkness? Where did Cain's wife come from? If Cain married Avan from the land of Nod, who created the parents and the people of Nod?

I believe that if the story in Genesis were an African folklore, most of you would call it a total bullshit. But coming from colonialists, impressionable people hold it as the absolute truth.

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Pedantic but technically speaking the original version of the bible was in hebrew not greek. It was later translated into greek(Septuagint), and then aramaic(Targum) before the latin(Vulgate) and then others. Rest of your points raised remain valid though.

Decent writeup and writing style. Thoughts succintly put across. Most of the differing views in Christianity didn't just come out of nowhere its been there from the origins. Right there from the disciples and apostles and long after em.  Most of the ancient forms of Christianity are not even known to people in the world today, since they eventually came to be reformed or stamped  out.

As a result, the sacred texts that some ancient Christians used to support their religious perspectives came to be proscribed, destroyed, or forgotten – in one way or another lost.  There's been a lot of tussle and there'll continually and perpertually be a lot of tussle. That's what happens when objectivity is absent, leads to the most interpreted text in the world.

At least the origin of Christianity doesn't pretend to have any objectivity, so they kind of embrace the diversity and subjectivity of interpretations in the Tanakh.

Lol! This confirmed charlatan.

JASONjnr:
The African traditions was partially senseless....


In most cases, a certain king rules and make decisions the helps him and his family and allies.....

Democracy helps to curtail those nonsense. How will you banish someone to go fvck himself anywhere he feels? Or send people to the forest to die.....?

Today we have courts that will pass judgement, you do the time and return a rehabilitated human.

Have you read the bible? Same senselessness applies there, quaran?! same thing.

Kobojunkie:
The ignorance you keep harping on(feigned or not) is not mine at all. The fact is that pretty much the of the myths regarding angels, including those propagated by your person, amount to gobbledegook when compared to that which is presented in Scripture!

Typical! Called it though, "hubris has to hubris". Can't even make sense of what u'r saying, learn to proofread and get rid of ur typos. Like i said quite simply "go educate urself" instead of showcasing your loud ignorance, i could spoon feed u the info like you're 5 which is typical' but u'ld have to ask for the references. u obviously won't though cause... Ask and you shall receive, else take ur dense mind that way 👇🏾 Junkie with the itch 😏.

Kobojunkie:
You attacks only go to bolster the fact that you are aware these ideas you spew are merely from your imagination and have nothing to do with Scripture. Why you pretend they do is beyond me..

There are absolutely no Scriptural references available for any of the many angel myths even you notoriously spew. As you can see, even those attached to the passage of [b]Genesis 6 vs 1 - [/b]4 do not conform with the information actually recorded.

Or or... hear me out... you could just say anonymous person i'm ignorant of this claim please educate me about said claim with references added as well. Foreign concept to you i know, you prefer the rabid approach, you itch for it. Kill the ignorance, mention me if you need me to educate you about my claim, ill add refs as well. Doubt it tho, cause hubris has to hubris😁. tick tock!

Kobojunkie:
What you pretend to know has nothing to do with the Bible but is from the many imaginations of your head.

Of course the resident rabid fellow that always got an itch to scratch. Im sure u've got access to a plethora of resources, why not educate urself instead of loud ignorance. Or better still ask for references to cure said ignorance on the central claim. I'll be happy to oblige.😏

illicit:
Really?

U have met one?

Not really but I have this special gift, i read and i know things... lol! Seriously though its in the bible and its most times nothing like cupid.

Veecruz:
We never find our great great grandpa bones na dinosaur and giants we won kon find?

Your daft reasoning always shines through "dtruthspeaker". Told u ill be ignoring ur dumb ass, different monikers won't stop ur incoherent daft reasoning from being spotted. 😄

illicit:
U must be talking about the ugly ones

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I don't know if they're ugly or beautiful but i know they look nothing like op posted. More like 👇🏾

Quick thought! If these "giants" actually existed why haven't we found any evidence for em especially archeologically, especially since we could find that of the dinosaurs that existed way before humans. 🧐 For the answer to your question Its cause it makes a fascinating story.

illicit:
I will pay anything to knack a pretty angel


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Wait till you find out what angels supposedly look like. Then you'd understand the phrase "Be not afraid".

Tourist42:
What's the point Sir? They both were influenced by the Devil with two different intentions buh from one person(d devil?)? Is this not contradictory?

Of course its contradictory, lots of contradictions. Judas' death is another major plot hole with the differing accounts in Matthew and Acts.

Nyanabo:
The world is coming to an end. Normally animals don't eat their kind.

Says who?! Educate urself. Lots of species do, even the cute hamster does.