₦airaland Forum

Same fundamental instincts drives most animals to do what they do, humans as well. We're already genetically programmed to be the way we are, not some mythological punishment for abuse of free will. Survival, Self preservation, Reproduction and Fear are basically why we do what we do and act how we act. Its the same down the food chain all the way to the bottom.

Strict doesn't even cut it. It's interesting how ur hyping up all his terrible qualities. A hypocrytical, narcissitic, impulsive, confused, murderous, racist, rape apologist, child killing sociopathic being. Funny how he supposedly changed his ways when its claimed he doesn't change and even then he still needed blood from the killing of his child cause he couldn't just outrightly forgive. Apt portrayal of a sociopath is what you have in the mythological book called the Tanakh or should i say "Old Testament". Basically just myth, nothing more.

Trash

CharlotteFlair:
Jehovah wickedness is the name.

Idiot! 😂 You just gave me hiccups from laughing hard.

gohf:
ermmm, why should I?

You simply cannot ergo looking for an out. Typical.

Veecruz:
Nepa increased tarrif are we not judging them? Or bobrisky who won women competition are we not judging him? Or isreal pounding palestine, are they not being judged?

Delude yourself cos you already know that if Anyone should Judge you, you are finished. And did anyone call you to this thread? You came in your own so, it is your guilt that is tormenting you with fear, telling you that you are finished. No one called you, it is your condemned soul that is disturbing you.

That's ur proof of "Spiritual Judgement" in the afterlife!😄 Ok seriously, i wasn't expecting anything sensible but wasn't expecting something obtuse either, quite typical. Anyways which of the gods is doing the condemning of souls... Is it Anu, Enki, Enlil, Marduk, Inanna, Ereshkigal, Ra, Hades Baal or let me guess El 🤔, the chief god of the pantheon of cannanite gods before assimilation into other ancient near east religions. No?! Yhwh right or his consort Asherah. Let's go with Yhwh then, the warrior god sure loves torture and condemnation as can be seen from his various genocides in the error ridden and historically inacurate Tanakh or Bible as you call it.

Anyways if there's going to be condemnation of souls y'all are already condemned 😁 cause you guys cant even agree on a single interpretation of your religious texts hence the tens of thousands of denominations interpreting their own variety of delusion. Would've been inclined to take a united front more seriously but at least 40000 different denominations with varying interpretations!!! Nah... I prefer to watch you guys in your mental box participate in your differing illusions and delusions. I'll watch from the sidelines, thank u very much. You guys could do home and away. Maybe god of catholics tortures erring pentecostals and then god of pentecosals tortures erring catholics. Big joke.

Veecruz:
It is already proven all over the world that every activity we do is always under Judgment so, you are just deluding yourself cos you already know that The Judgment will be horrorfull and very very bad for you

Its a simple thing show proofs with hard objective facts or keep ur fear mongering for simple minded smooth brains like urself.

gohf:
how can you believe when you already believe it is absolutely unprovable.


You wall yourself in and expect someone else to get you out but once anyone breaks that wall you go and rebuild it again. It means you don't want to get out, yet you complain of the very wall you built yourself.

Quite simple really, prove it then. No plenty talk.

gohf:
I answered it already. If life had no purpose then there would be no judgement to how we use it. But because there's judgement, then there is purpose.

If we are judged rightly by fulfilling that purpose it means discovering that purpose is possible. and the one who created life is the one who defines it's possible.

Our purpose is to do the will of God, and God wills that we love, we care, we work, provide and replenish, multiply and be bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit.

Like i said hypothesis and subjective opinions. Non of what you said can be proven with hard objective facts. Absolutely non.

The purpose of life?? Truth is no one knows. What you get are mere hypothesis and subjective opinions at best. Absolutely no one knows our purpose here.

RealLordZeus:
Moses did not write any book..

Except the book of Revelation, all the books in the bible are written by unknown author

You are right and also wrong. Right cause Moses most likely didn't write any books and this is the first time ive come across the claim of Moses writing Job. Normally its that Moses wrote the Pentateuch/Torah. As for your second claim you're wrong Paul alone wrote 7 out of the 13 books attributed to him. As for a lot of the rest, its the usual pseudepigraphy.

"The book does not have any of what you describe at all"

Yeah... I'm going to press x to trash that. I think its safer for me to rely on proven facts by academic scholars who've all made significant head way in biblical studies than some anonymous rando on the internet that says "No" lol! especially when the central claim and the contradictions to said claim is quite obvious.


"2. I read the Epic of Gilgamesh -- I did so recently too-- actually and I came away believing that there were similarities that existed in one particular idea with the Noah story contained in Scripture but the stories were all too very different at the same time. So, let's stop making this vague connections where no serious contacts even exist.."

Yet again i'ld trash the randos pov and rely on the pov of the life work of academic scholars who have made these connectiions and established how the flood story from the sumerian texts which is the oldest civilization(4000BCE before Genesis texts in about 6th Century BCE)  influenced the same story been retold  by and across other near eastern texts of other mesopotanian civilizations. The isrealites been one of them as they were part and one of other cannanite groups. Except u've conducted your own studies and published it to be accepted by the wider acaedemic community, saying  contrary is just empty noise. I'ld suggest you educate urself, i could recommend books from renouned academic biblical scholars not fundamentalists/ apologists, that's if you want. 😏


"3. What exactly are you on about? Am I to take it that you read the book seeking objectivity regarding what exactly? Less varied deductions? What in the world are you on about ? Look up the meaning of the word "inspired" and tell me what you understanding is then of this "divinely inspired" idea of yours."

Quite sure i was clear enough as you helped me in confirming my point with the 40,000 + denominations you mentioned. If you still don't get it then im sure you could get a dictionary to assist you and maybe also check the meaning of "inspired" alongside your study. Don't forget to mention me if you need those rcommendations. You could start with Dr Bart Ehrman, he's my fav.

MaxInDHouse:
Atheists like you don't appreciate the truth at least i have presented to you an organization numbering millions where you can find people having the same line of thought about what the Bible teaches.

That's enough!

First of i'm not an atheist. Secondly how rather convenient what u consider truth is based from ur narrow minded pov and not fact. You have every right to enjoy ur grandeur delusions.

Kobojunkie:
The problem isn't the book even as we have it today. The problem is the notion that every person who reads the book can then assert his or her private interpretation of what is clearly stated in each of the contained books by the different authors over different times.

If a book has multiple possible varied decutions when its claim is a singular one then problem's not the people but the book. No one reads the epic of gilgamesh or other epics or say the decent of Ishtar and comes to extremely varied conclusions even though they're much older than the bible. Even books covering more complex topics like astro physics, time dilation, quantum mechanics have less varied deductions and are more conclusively objective than the "divinely inspired" book. Somehow its mainly and almost always religious texts with this problem. Or is it not the same set of people reading other books and coming to objective conclusions?!

MaxInDHouse:
You asked for TWO but i presented millions of Witnesses in our time {Hebrews 12:1 compare to Act 1:8} and Jesus told us that we will be little in number compare to those that will be destroyed!

Lol! As objective fact or disillusioned imaginative info propped up by confirmation bias.

Kobojunkie:
I am glad you indicated that it is their many interpretations of the actual content of Scripture that is where the problem comes from.

It's not like there's any objective interpretation of the book, basically non exists. What you get is half or say pseudo-objectivity at best. The interpretations are basically just a symptom of the major problem which is the Kafkaesque nature of the book itself. A book where a decent portion of it is contradictory to the messages its trying to pass across, historically, socio culturally and politically inaccurate for the most part. A book selectively compiled of different books over a thousand year period written by god knows how many writers of which there's a lot of pseudopigraphy involved, some books written by more than an author and passed as a singular author. Original manuscripts lost and what u have are basically copies of copies of copies of copies with parts missing in some and non existent parts in the rest inserted into others. Lots of missing historical, socio cultural, ethnic and political context and dynamics of the times. Nor the thought process of the writer or the genre in which written taken into context. Godspeed applying any objectivity to such a book.

MaxInDHouse:
Go throughout the whole world and see millions of Jehovah's Witnesses with the same line of thought just as Jesus and Paul urged us! John 17:20-23; 1Corinthians 1:10

If you're thinking people claiming Christians from different religions then you're deceiving yourself because whatever makes the religion differs then the Gods they serve differs!

Yeah right, i forgot jws are the only christain sect on the planet. Why millions, why not billions . Clown take.

LoL! Show me just 2 christains who agree on the interpretation of the bible from cover to cover and uld have seen a miracle.

folake4u:
Not going to church, clean sheets, Sunday rice, movies and dark room.

See my g! Save for the sunday rice of course.

ukaface:
Y’all saying her womb is damaged no just get sense

Y’all think all women want to be married? And give birth?
I’m sure I’ve come across men on this forum saying they don’t want to marry nor have kids, would it be okay if I say such men have erectile dysfunction or low sperm count?

Some people just want to stay alone and y’all shouldn’t cap stupid assumptions you know nothing about

What do you expect from a dense, ignorant n myopic lot. They can't imagine and lose their minds when someone doesn't view life through their foolish pov.

Cause at that point in time the isrealites had just moved from polytheism to henotheism and were well on their way to establishing monotheism. So the writers had to embellish and paint this narrative of a superior Yahweh(who was initially a warrior god). That's why you see Yahweh competing with all this other gods. But by the time monotheism was established there wasn't need for embellishment or competitive narratives, all of it stopped. Caveat here been there's a lot of historical, political and social cultural context cut out from this.

How much and Location??

True that, but im sure God'll make exceptions for me if it has to do with me killing people that don"t obey his rules especially foreign young men, children and women. Not just women though women who are virgins or children who laugh at me for being bald. Save for exeptions when God explicitly tells you to murder, thou shalt not murder. Totally agree.

Depriest2020:
God is not autocratic, he gave them freedom of choice, to obey me or not to.

Yes yes the "freedom of choice" and "free will" where you have to live by strict pedantic rules (that no 2 Christians even agree on wholeistically) or get punished forever lol. More like delusional illusion coined as free will.

Cause its a literary work of fiction from when humans just about got into creative fictional writing. You'd find similar works of epic by the Akkadians and Sumerians. No one reads the Epic of Gilgamesh and thinks that actually happened, but Jewish stories on the other hand get taken as fact for various semantic reaons. That's why when you apply logic to the story, it doesn't hold up. You don't even need to apply a lot of decent logic to spot the plot holes.

You'd spot the contradictions in the story and the parallel creation stories that show it wasn't even all written by one single writer. So don't bother trying to make a whole lot of sense from it cause even the christains who claim to operate under "divine inspiration" all have their various deductions and interpretations hence you see no 2 Christians can agree on a singular interpretation of the biblle from cover to cover.

Im sure the "Relazer" has eaten this one's hair and gone further to eat the brain cells.

justlove91:
Let's liken dream to virtual reality, everything you're aware of is dream stuff. And let's liken sleep paralysis to augmented reality, some of the things one is aware of is from the real world gotten through your senses and at the same time their can be an overlay of dream stuff on your perception just like augmented reality.
I had sleep paralysis one time, I can see the room and things in it but their are lots of spiders on the wall. Now, the room is real, the wall is real but the spiders are dream stuff.

In this state, it's like you have one leg in reality and one in dream that's why I said one is partially dreaming and awake.

And when I say one is partially awake I don't mean one feels groggy or sleepy(infact one can be fully aware as real life), but that what one is aware of can be partially real or fake (dream).

I kind of get ur pov especially with the analogy and it does sell it but for some reason i still feel some nuanced context's missing, still ur pov seems better. What do you think of astral projection, any experience on that front??

justlove91:
You're right, sometimes the body lift the paralysis too early while the mind is still dreaming and sometimes the body lift the paralysis too late after the mind is "awake"

Infact to be factual, you're not really fully awake during sleep paralysis but you're aware of the body's paralysis while still partially dreaming

The reason why must people think sleep paralysis is the work of demons or finds it scary is because when the mind becomes aware of the paralysis, the common reaction is fear, but remember that during this state the mind is partially awake and partially dreaming at the same time.
So the fear reaction is incorporated into the dream plot and one can actually hallucinate seeing a demon or stranger in the room.

I am a lucid dreamer and the fascinating thing about sleep paralysis is that it is easy to convert it to lucid dream, how?

Next time you experience sleep paralysis, just forget about the body and room you're in and imagine yourself somewhere else, your awareness will gradually shift into the imagined scene.

About the bolded, i don't think you can say that as a fact, its a little bit more nuanced than that. I believe experiences defer and while what you say applies to most there's still some anecdotal evidence to the contrary. Example a little anecdote from myself, my first overwhelming sleep paralysis experience, i was clearly awake even though in that groggy state and was struggling to get up but couldn't. Was shouting and no one heard me. It looked like a dream state but why i got to know it ws not was cause everyone in the room was exactly where they were in real life like in the "dream like state" when i was struggling and shouting to get their attention.

The caveat here been that they told me "you were just lying there nau", you didnt even flinch, mind you not like they were paying close attention to me, cause they were gisting. Maybe i was experiencing some sort of psuedo astral projection as well but i really doubt that as i don't even believe in astral projection in its literal form. So you see its a little bit more nuanced than partially dreamy partially awake. Your lucid dream thought process is quite spot on though. That's what ive been doing anytime i get sleep paralysis although it rarely happens to me. Also sometimes when im lucid dreaming, i wake up and then go back to sleep to continue from where i stopped exactly especially when i liked the dream. Doesn't happen often though.

Dtruthspeaker:
Act out ke? like when you were walking in your sleep you were not walking somewhere in your dream? or when you were violent, it was.not that you were trying to defend or attack sonething in your dream?.Self deceit at its finest!

Reasoning with you would be akin to one reasoning with a dog not to eat vomit, roll in the mud, or sniff buttholes. It's pointless as the planes of reasoning are so far apart. So i don't think i want to be part of your usual typo filled incoherent mess of a tangential pov. Your comments all over this site show you to be obtuse as fvck, dense beyond gold and a demi god at being a grade A mor0n. It'll come across as an insult but one just needs to go through ur comment history to find out its fact. Anyways ill be ignoring ur dumb ass onward until u maybe decide to grow up, not holding my breath though.

justlove91:
When we dream during rem sleep our body is paralysed to prevent us from acting out the dream using the physical body. The normal route is for the paralysis to be lifted before your mind (consciousness ) wakes up.

Sleep paralysis occurs when your mind (consciousness) wakes up before the paralysis as been lifted, this make you aware of the paralysis.

And this phenomenon can be induced using techniques.

Apt

The interesting part about this is just as the body fails to wake up from the paralyzed state leading to sleep paralysis, the body also sometimes fails to be paralyzed during sleep leading to the acting out of dreams like you said hence you have sleep walkers, talkers and others like me who sometimes act out their dreams with subtle and sometimes violent movement and in the process injuring themselves. It's a 2 way street really but people focus on one more than the other cause its more scary i guess. People simply fear what they don't understand.