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Samantha124:
Well, I love cats and they're antisocial like me.

Let me think, I think rats, flies, and cockroaches are very social animals because you'll always find them where there's a crowd of people.

Lol!
Cats are something else. They could be showing u the most love in the world one minute and decide u need to Bleep off out of existence the next. Cute looks while being apex killers. If spirit animals where valid, mine would definitely be a cat.

Henry22:
Commodore dragon, what a social animal it can be? U can even have it as a pet cos it makes a great companion but hv it at the back of your mind that if you don't feed her well you may end up in her fat belly.

I think you mean komodo dragon and except i missed the sacarsm... how is it sociable enough to be kept as a pet?

Sportsolutions2:
Lol


The Funny Thing is that The African Christians are still here collecting their tithes and offerings instead of going to STAND AND FIGHT For Israel.


Or Are Kumuyi, Oyedepo and Adeboye Not Israelites Anymore ?

I swear the irony is funny. The Isreal they are praying for is mostly jewish people who don't even believe in christ. Like the source and origin of Christianity doesn't even believe in Christianity. Thier parliament a while back wanted to pass a bill banning practice of christainity but it didn't sail through. They even hv more muslims than xtains there. Meanwhile these ignoramuses like the one u quoted are shouting praying and quoting Isreal this n that. Dense mofos.

AntiChristian:
No be Israel dey occupy their land?

Don't mind the ignorant fvcks. Quoting what i dont know. Where were those quotes during the holocaust or it didn't apply then. Or the other numerous times they've been etnically cleansed, persecuted and genocided throught history even right from inside the bible making them the most most persecuted ethnic group in history. Confirmation bias would always bias i guess.

$200 worth

Got a few.

* Social media addiction/obsession
* Poor hygiene
* Bad diction
* Long nails claws
* Myopic thinking/limited worldview/close mindedness
* Insecurity
* Overly apperance focused
* Twerking
* Reality tv fan
* Lieing
* Clubbing
* Revealing clothing...

Dubetex96:
mine is since last 3week i can't access the internet, call or text msg reached out to them they told me do sim swap that my line has damage

Sorry, that's sad. My calls and texts go through just can't get a data connection to the internet.

For the past 3 days, i dont hv access to the internet, network just disappeared and the idiots are telling me to restart my phone up and down without resolving the issue. Any similar experiences?

candygist:
Dump commentator.

Ha!
The bleeping irony... Dump indeed.

Cognitive dissonance basically.

IyfeNamikaze:
I think that the reason why it's like this is because people don't study the bible. When you study the bible, everything becomes clear and nobody can deceive you. Preachers and Pastors are not encouraging their congregation to study the bible properly. Every time in church the preachers would say open to the book of That verse This to This, usually short texts and they read that particular text and the preacher starts to preach from that verse.... Many times what the preacher is preaching is not what that verse is talking about, but because nobody bothers to read the preceding verses and the following verses and sometimes the whole chapter to understand the full scope of what the verses are talking about, they get easily misled and confused and lost.

Exactly, "Context". Most people always miss that. How can u open a novel then jump to the 7th chapter, read a line and deduce meaning about the book just from that line. You need the whole context to form an opinion or have an understanding. That's why you see most mislead by the media, they read just the headline of a story or article without reading the article itself and then they'll come to a conclusion. You watch a 1 min clip out of a 10 min video and come to a conclusion. Your conclusion would be wrong, same thing applies to the bible like u said. You dont just read a verse, u need to understand the context of the verse as it pertains to that chapter and the chapter to the book as well to paint the whole picture, sometimes even referencing other books and chapters. And most people dont like reading so that's why they rely on others and are unfortunately gullible.

IyfeNamikaze:
This is true. A lot of people don't open their bible actually read it. They just wait for the preachers to read it for them . That's why we're having all these different interpretation of something so simple and straight forward. During the pentecost in Act 2:1-13 the apostles who spoke in tongues had people who were present who could understand what they were saying. And speaking in tongues is a miraculous phenomenon, not something someone just mounts pulpit and start yabbing God knows what. And it is supposed to be an earthly languages for the people of earth to understand. All the times that the Angels spoke to people in the bible, the Angels spoke in language that the receiver would understand ( native language).

Apt bro. Just saw ur prev comment. U hit the nail on the head. 1 chori nthians 12 and 14 further expantiates the whole thing. Its funny, ludicrous and disappointing that its there and a diff thing is being fed to the sheeple.

OluwaLina1:
Happy sunday nairalanders.
I moved to a new area(Student area) and decided to attend a nearby church.

These are what I noticed.

-- I was the only one that used scarf.Even the choristers and the female ministers didn't use scarf.

--Almost all the female members are putting on trousers,ladies that put on gowns/skirt are not up to 20%.
I was even surprised that the two female ministers and the female choristers also put on trouser to climb the church alter.

--During prayer intersection,I noticed everybody were praying in tongues and it seems am the only person not filled with the holy spirit to speak in tongues.
Even when we were asked to pray on our offering,people still prayed in tongues.

And it just seems I'm odd among them or is it that am not modernized?

When i see people speaking gibberish sorry tongues, i just smh. Most of these so called Christians don't even know thier bible. Even the ones that claim to know hv different interpretations for the same thing while hearing from the same God, hence u have 10,000 + denominations practicing different things. Ironically some don't even see eye to eye. Is it not the same God.

Notice how everyone that speaks in tongues, never speaks human tongues that are understood, they all speak angelic tongues that no one can understand. Also one of the signs of the spirit is to interpret tongues. Notice how u hardly hear about the gift of interpretation of tongues in the church., which is one of the signs of the spirit. According to the bible, not everyone must speak in tongues , there are other gifts that show signs of the spirit. Why are they all focusing on speaking angelic tongues. Why don't they speak in tongues to one another with one to interpret like in the bible, why only to God.

The answer is quite simple really. It's an easy cop out with no need for proof or validation. I can come out and read the alphabet backwards and say im speaking in tongues. Bunch of jokers the lot of them. Where are those gifted with interpreting of the so called tongues? Where are those that speak in human tongues or languages they've never heard? None... Don't u think it'll be interesting to see people speaking in tongues and one's speaking gaelic and the other aramaic while someone gifted is interpreting. Trust me uld never see that.

First of that's a you problem. Secondly humans are not a monolith that are all boxed with the same characteristics under a single label. Finally stop confusing ur poor social skills, anti-social behaviour, anxiety and probably lethargy as intoversion, its not introversion.

LordReed:
So you came to the conclusion that all atheists are close minded even after expressing that you are yet to know if the person is close minded or not. Is this how you reach conclusions?



Which scientific facts point to the existence of a god?


Our universe contains billions of stars and planets Why do you think only 1 planet out of billions contains life?



Which atheists told you the universe came from nothing?




You acknowledge that the religious texts are full of crap so I wonder you think we need to pay any attention to what is obviously crap.



Making up crap as answer because you are seeking answers is unjustified.

It's obvious u'r an atheist hence the combative and defensive nature of ur response. I said a lot but because of your defensive stance u ignored all context, zeroed in selectively with tunnel vision on what u didn't like, went on a tangent and basically missed all nuance. Respect for being civil though. So I'll try to explain better so u get my thought process again while addressing ur concerns.

First of, the quantifier I used in describing atheists is "Many" and not "All".
And how and why did I reach that conclusion u ask?! Well, if u pick any arbitrary sample set of any category of anything (or most things to be safe), ud have more negative traits than positive traits. So for example if u pick school children, you have more non-intelligent children than intelligent children, if u pick a sample from the population, u have more non-beautiful people than beautiful people, if u pick open minded people, uld find more unreasonable ones than reasonable ones. Same applies to atheists, that combined with anecdotal evidence from dealing with em.

Now for the rest of your concerns, I wanted to address them individually but saw it was pointless cause I already adresssed them in my previous comment. So its either u didn't read it(hence the earlier tunnel vision comment) or u read it with some serious bias. Either way read it again with an open mind..

Kobojunkie:
Very good question which I myself have pondered on several occasions and tried to reason. What I have come to accept is rather that God's plan as far as implementation of His 120 years maximum progressed in what seemed a drawdown, than an absolute cutback from just less than 1000 to 120 years. God decreased the lifespan of man over time until His agreement with the people of Israel in the Land of Canaan was ratified. At that time, even Moses was taken off the board when he turned 120 — refused entry into the land of Canaan at exactly that age— He died at 120.

2. So again, I would not go as far as to claim this a contradiction since what He did say did take place only it didn't take place when and how we expected it to. It wasn't as though God said exactly how it would be implemented by the way.

I like this train of thought. It's not really fact though more like your hypothesis but its a good one to explain if not for the fact Caleb lived 130yrs.

Kobojunkie:
As for these, rather than a contradiction, what I instead see is a continuation as far as instructions given by God to the man Noah.
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I like to read these instead as a set of rules that ought to be compiled together, not read or taken separately. You can sort of see this in the fact that the rules given in Genesis 6 vs 19 are repeated in the context of Genesis 7 vs 1 - 3, even as more details/rules are also specified.

■ Take two of every living thing on the earth with you into the boat - Genesis 6 vs 19a & Genesis 7 vs 2b
■ Take a male and female of every kind of animal so that they might survive with you. - Genesis 6 vs 19b & Genesis 7 vs 2b
■ Get seven pairs (seven males and seven females) of every kind of clean animal. - Genesis 7 vs 2a
■ Get seven pairs (seven males and seven females) of all the birds - Genesis 7 vs 3

So from ur comments i can see ur arguments are based on good faith and u understand the context in the production of the bible and accept that context is valid. I appreciate that. See my prev comment to the other guy. Acceptance of that context doesn't necessarily jive with traditional Christian beliefs.

Now u try to explain some of these contradictions away and for some of em you come from the angle of understanding and accepting the context of the production of the bible which most christains push aside. They believe like i already said its divine inspiration and devoid of errors and dismiss any context whatsoever. That's the angle im expecting a from. The super religious christain response, if im making sense. Traditional christain beliefs or school of thought.

But even ur nuanced context based response doesn't necessarily explain these contradictions away. It just boxes u into another contradiction of traditional christian belifs. Ok... About the Ark, u said its a continuation of instructions.... Agreed. Does that mean Noah does what he wants and disobeys these instructions and does what he wants or did God make a mistake and change his mind?? Cause it wad still 2 animals that went in??

For the incest part about Cain and Seth.. That doesn't jive too. If not ur saying God changes his mind. Does God change his mind?? Which would be admitting he made a mistake. Does God make mistakes, especially when he's all knowing and knows the end from tge beginning according to the bible??

Wilgrea7:
It helps if you see the bible as what it is, which is a collection of books, rather than a single unit.

The bible is a collection of books written by different authors and compiled over time. Claims of divine inspiration are about as useful as sprinkling magic dust over it. It's just a claim, made by one, or a few books in there, which is interpreted to make the entire collection seem more credible.

Simply put, it's a meaningless claim.

In addition to that, I think another mistake you're making is trying to treat genesis as a historical book. Claims made by the book, and any other book must first the proven and substantiated before they can be accepted as true.

So far, we've found zero evidence of the claims about humans or creation in general made by the authors of the book of genesis

Bro back up a little bit. Trust me u are preaching to the choir here. I know and agree with what u are saying. Its a collection of books like u rightly said written by different authors of which it was influenced by the writers pov, thought process, peraonality and writing styles. Most of these books where written hundreds of years later after the incidents occured. For example the first book wrritten in the bible (job) was written some 400 years after. Do u know how long that time is for word of mouth to be passed accurately before being written. Some were even written like 600 yrs after.

There's an experiment about inaccuracies of word of mouth i watched. About 30 people were in a room. They were lined up and spaced out. A peice of info was whispered into the ear of the last person on the line. He was then told to pass the info to the next person and it went on like that to the end of the line. By the time it got to the end of the line, it was totally different from what was said at the beginning. This is how rumors start too. These were people in the same space in the same time. Imagine then many generations later.

I believe the bible is simply meant to be taken metamorphically than literally. Cause its filled with man made dross covering up the small truth inside of it. I don't even want to go into claims that can't be substantiated inside of it with science like the flood and humans living outrageous ages amongst many otherz. I just want people who take it literally to explain it literally when it says one thing here and another there especially as they claim its homogeneous and consistent. So they should explain it literally then. U see it for what it is.

xproducer
You made the following statement: "The entire word of GOD is harmonious and consistent... so try, by GOD's grace to look for reasons to believe rather than to doubt.... childlike faith is necessary, not flawed human assertions based in pride or ignorance."

I'm going to press x to doubt the bolded. If its harmonious and consistent as you say then it'll be free from contradictions. It wouldn't say A here and the next minute say B right? Or am i missing the meaning of harmonious and consistent.

If it is explain to me the following, some of which ive mentioned on this thread. Im all ears and open to your views.

1.) Who did Cain and Seth get married to? Its two things its either there were other people which contradicts the story or they married and slept with their sisters as they were the only ones on earth which is a sin and contradicts according to Leviticus 20:19. Was incest not a sin then or it became one later. Did God change his mind? Does he change his mind?

2.) The number of pairs of clean animals that God told Noah to take into the Ark? Genesis 6:19 - 20 says 2, Genesis 7:2 says 7. That's not harmonious and consistent is it??

3.) In GEN 6 v 3, God reduced the life span of man to 120yrs. But in Gen 11 v 12 -16 in events after the reduction, it lists a lot of people that lived past 120... So... Quite contradictory... Or did God change his mind. Does he change his mind?

4.) About the laws of Moses been usefu? Yes “All scripture is... profitable...” 2 Timothy 3:16. No. “ . . . A former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness... “(Hebrews 7:18). Which is it?

5.) No one has ever seen God 1 John 4:12

No man has seen or can see God 1 Timothy 6:16

But The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day Genesis 18:1.

The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend Exodus 33:11.

All these dont look harmonious and consistent to me, they look like contradictions 3xcept u can explain them away to which ill say shoot. But I seriously doubt that. There are so many more ive come across with no one able to explain. Instead they get angry and defensive, resulting to ad hominems like u have. If u can explain these few be my guest. Ill be happy to gain understanding.

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nams77:
People of those days live veeeerry long. Don't you think Adam had other children who also had children and who may grow up to still meet Cain?
Isn't that possible?
I have tasted Jehovah on a personal level and nothing will make my doubt him- consistency or inconsistency! EOD

First off i can sense the combative and defensive energy from your comment. The display of defensive energy when what u know or were indoctrinated with is simply questioned shows me you're a close minded person. And such people can't sustain a heathy discussion. Like i said open minded people only

Secondly if you're willing to be open minded your explanation doesn't really jive. Why? Because if you look at the context of the verse it said he was cursed to be a wanderer and he told God anyone who saw him while he was wandering would kill him. So he was expecting to encounter other people while raoming the earth away from his family hence God expecting him to encounter these other people obliged him and placed a mark for when he encounters them.

Thirdly, the children of Adam would have literally been incest to produce other kids. Cain and Seth would have married and procreated with thier sisters since there were no other women. Who was Cain's wife? Isn't incest a sin?? Or was it ok then and later became a sin? Does that mean God changes his mind? Or were there simply other people.

Lastly according to you, people in those days lived very long right?! In GEN 6 v 3, God reduced the life span of man to 120yrs. But in Gen 11 v 12 -16 in events after the reduction, it lists a lot of people that lived past 120... So... Quite contradictory... Or did God change his mind. Does he change his mind?

Wagwanbrethren:
"There is no God". Belief in a deity is a matter of faith which cannot be proven.

The statement I made is based on the premise that there is no evidence that God exists. If God exists, there should be evidence of this. However, there is no evidence of God's existence. Therefore, it is reasonable to conclude that there is no God.

Ok.
"Only a fool says there's no God"

I recently began to really respect this statement. As it is today, nobody has definitve proof that'll appeal widely across board as objective fact that there is a God or there is none, so every view is obviously subjective. From my pov i know there is a God. If i really want to explain how i came to that conclusion i'ld write a lot way more than this. And i honestly don't really want to, cause i don't know if u'r close minded or open minded and can partake in an open healthy discussion.

Anyways one thing i'll point out is that u atheists are most times just as bad as religious folks/christains. Strong baseless opinions held as facts when not verifiable and unwilling to shift ground when presented with facts to the contrary. Basically u're all close minded.
I think the answer to life is like a puzzle we are tryin to solve. Atheists and Christains(religious peeps), view the puzzle from one angle that stops them from viewing the whole concept of the puzzle and come to differing conclusions while viewing the puzzle from the same limited angle.

How can u solve the puzzle when ure not viewing from a good unlimited angle that shows the whole concept of the puzzle before you come to a logical conclusion. U guys have not even gotten the complete peices of the puzzle but you claim to have solved it. Stop looking through religious lenses only for proof of God. I didn't find my proof of God in the bible, i ironically found it in science. Understanding how the world works and how everything interacts with each other through science made me know there's definitely a God/Gods/Being/Energy.

Releigion for me is simply a precursor to science. Basically how we explained the world before we got more answers through science to know how it really works. Life is really complex and if u view the whole complex system, its quite incomprehensible that this beautiful mad complex design doesn't have a designer. Space, planets, minerals, air, gas, the literal one in a million chance of how the earth exists and how the conditions are somehow favourable is not by accident if u look at the process by which it was formed. Living things and their body structures and how their bodies function, the food chain, the eco sytem, language, behaviors and traits of different species., the vast amount of varying species and how they all interact, music, language, the laws of nature and physics, shapes. How all these things interact is with one another is crazy and complex. Then Life and death.

All these can't just come out of nothing. Just like with all our advancements we've not been able to create a process to create something out of nothing. The system is far too complex to just start out on its own, coupled with the low probabilty of everything been just the right conditions and amount to happen. Instead of seeing this complex world as evidence, the athiests looks through the lenses of religion and sees its filled with man made flawed concepts and take it as evidence that a God like that can not exist. When it is most likely not an accurate depiction of God. God is most likely complex that we can't comprehend, sort of like time dilation and quantum mechanics are. We ubderstand but can't fully comprehend.

Most of all those religious texts are filled with man made crap and i don't think its the true accurate depiction of God and what he wants.. Not discounting that there's some truth in there though. I believe, all religions, all psuedo religions, all sciences and all psuedo sciences hold pieces of this puzzle we trying to solve on the question of what is life? and the purpose of it?. The different religions are just trying to reach God and answer the question in thier own way. Science's answers the question with facts and evidences to get closer to the truth.

We are all seeking for answers and have been seeking for answers. We've got some answers but are still a million miles away from the truth. So anyone holding a stance based on about 4000 yrs of happenings according to religion, when the earth has existed for 4.5 billion or doesn't consider the vast complex world and its workings is a joker. Just be open minded bro that's all. My position on all these could change by next year as im always looking at new eveidences and learning everyday. So don't just be fixed. No one has all the answers.

Normally you hear the bible is God's word given and written by divine inspiration, so most people take it as God's words literally which it is said to be. So if it's God's words and "God is not an author of confusion", wouldn't the bible literally NOT contradict itself?! So i wanted to do the whole bible in a year thing and ive began to notice some things just don't add up and in good faith i'ld like open minded christians(those who read their bibles not my pastor said), if there are any here to explain these things to me.

I think most of these contradictions have contributed to the several denominations(10,000+) of Christianity even though they claim to hear from one God. They have different doctrines and interpret the bible differntly while hearing from the same God. With the massive irony being that they don't even agree with the religion where they originated from which is Judaism as jews don't believe in Jesus and Jesus was a jew so they stick to the old testament. Even christians generally don't unanimously agree on the books included in the bible. Some are totally removed while some extraz are added in some denominations e.g Catholic

Sorry for the tangent but anyways the main iss is i'm trying to make sense of some of these things that don't add up or are contradictions. I'll share one today to discuss and more later.

According to the bible, Adam was the first man on earth, while Eve the first woman. They birhted the first procreated people Cain and Abel. We all know what went down between them. After cain killed Abel, God cursed him and put a mark on him. Here's the part i can't explain (GEN 4 v 13-16). Cain made the following statement: "Whoever finds me would kill me" and God responded “Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him.

If they're the first people on earth who are these other people that are being referred to that could find and kill Cain

Wagwanbrethren:
The moment you realize there is no God(s).
Intelligence and curiosity. Plus, we were all born without any belief, religion whatsoever!

Curious. What's your premise for the statement that there's no God.

Wayne4uall:
I updated my Nokia 5.3 to android 12...since that day my battery had gone from good to bad... If U are using a Nokia pls don't update Ur phone..,I cant wait to get s21ultra

Uld still experience same thing with samsung. Ive experienced it twice now A70 and A71 and read about others with similar experience. Sudden drop in battery performance from awesome to average. Subsequent updates might improve it but not to what it was before. My A72 is still on android 11 one u.i 3.1. Not updating nada and battery life is still awesome after a year plus. The UI updates im missing are painful but its a sacrifice im willing to make.

Samantha124:
Not everyone likes it kinky, but they would prefer romance and love making.

I don't agree with the part where you say a fetish is something you can't do without during sex.

Let's say you have a fetish for dirty talking during sex, but your partner doesn't like it, are you saying you would never ever reach climax without dirty talking ever?

Obviously, not everyone is kinky and u don't hv to agree cause i know for a fact I'm right. U obviously have access to a search engine, educate urself and uld see im right. The problem is u'r having tunnel vision with ur thought process. In my statement u saw the statement before the 'or' right and also the 'or'? Ok.. Think of it as a preference and a need. Using ur example, as a kink u like dirty talk, sex without it is still just as awesome, sex with it is another variety of awesome. As a fetish, sex with it is awesome, sex without it is meh or just there and doesn't feel complete. U get?

Samantha124:
I think I know the difference between the two.

Kink is your BDSM and that rough sex... You need to be sexually strong and energetic for this one..

A fetish is a certain sexual fantasy that you have and wish to try.. for example, doing a role play during sex, Mouth Gig, or dirty talking during sex.

Correct me if I'm wrong..

Hehe! Nah. They're similar but a kink is just something you like to engage in during coitus while a fetish is similar to a kink but its something u can't do without during sex and u need it to enjoy sex or even acheive an orgasm. Most people hv kinks and not fetishes.

Sad how people hv no idea what a fetish is nor the difference between a fetish and a kink.

beejaay:
You cant dismiss the multiverse theory cause you dont like it or might be to big for our brain...research dont work like that... provided there was big bang and inflation then multiverse is a must else the question of inflation will never be solved...
i believe what suit your theory better is what next after the multiverse assuming universes are like stars inside a galaxy and galaxies are clustered inside a universe, maybe universes are clustered inside something also and on and on and on...

Yeah, i can comprehend details of the universe but somehow multiverse theory is beyond my understanding 🙄 dense much. If u'd instead use ur brain cells to educate urself u would hv known a multiverse or parallel universe theory are just that, theories. They can and never would be able to be substantiated. Except u want to provide reputable fact based sources where these theories can be substantiated or would be able to in future which i bet u can't. There's just too many flaws to that theory to make sense, and worse off it'll never be proven so what's the point. Science is based on evidence and facts as u should know. What happens when u can't present evidence and fact?! Hypotheticals, pure hypotheticals. At least u made more sense than the op talking egregious nonsense that i couldn't be bothered to respond to. I'm always open to changing my position on the subject if u provide evidence to the contrary.

Ahh yes! The typical nigerian myopic, shallow and hollow way of thinking. The only thing worse than being stupid is to be confident and stupid. Use more of ur brain cells to think and come up with a more rational argument.

Not to be rude but that's a pointless question, although it makes for interesting discussion. Pointless why? Cause u are trying to fly before you even have limbs to stand on talk less of walk. It's like trying to do calculus before u even know what numbers are.

First of the "observable" universe is frigging large, if large(40+ billion light years) can even quantify it and it's continually expanding as I'm sure u know. So we've not even been able to fully get that. Like... our solar system consists of earth, the other planets, thier moons, asteriod etc all surrounding the sun which is the main star .

There are over 300 billion stars in our galaxy(milky way), which all have different bodies like planets, asteriods and the rest surrounding them. Which goes to show u the crazy amount of planets in just our galaxy. Then there are over 300 billion plus galaxies with the closest to us(andromeda) being 2 million + light yrs away. All with thier own stars and solar systems and planets and that's just what we've been able to observe. Now to ask where all that is located... is kind of ludicrous.

The universe basically is everything and everything is located in the universe. If u are asking for anything beyond that when we've not been able to answer and understand fully what's within, it's just ludicrous. You're heading for multiverse theory which is just pure fictional crap. Funny thing is we might not know all the answers even 300yrs from now. Nice discussion prompting question though.

If i saw a whale on land i'ld take a picture of it too.