₦airaland Forum

martineinstein:
despite your level of education, u still believe in this myth/folklore.... Do many educated illiterates occupy the entity called Nigeria. The woman that sell bean cake,"iya alakara" is on same parity with u in terms of civilization

I'm a true yoruba man so I believe my civilization's folklores....whether I take it seriously is another thing. I certainly not let it clash with my knowledge of Yoruba history. ....u have the skill of comprehension u would have known dat

mrDennis:
Am a proud bini man and I make bold to say I CONCUR ! If not for the fact that it was an abomination for a non-Benin man to speak bini back in the old days by now Benin would be a 'major' language second only to Hausa .

People who do not know facts don't know the IBO race/kingdom started after *EBO* meaning yellow man a prince of Benin kingdom was banished accross the Niger and the place was called *ONITSE* meaning "it's enough". Today it is called onitsha . And the whites who couldn't understand bini called them IBO (he-bo)

Ile ife learnt its bronze casting from Benin also it's crafts that's a fact , also bini kingdom was a a very diplomatic kingdom and thus we had lots of ambassaodors , thus the oranmiyan story

Truth be told this is a clarion call to all binis around the world to start putting pressure on FG to revert to regional system let's take ondo , delta, bayelsa and anambra territories back!

I hope you aren't too blind and deluded to accept dat Benin Empire was not larger than Oyo state, Nigeria

Malawian:
yoruba people have not told us why on earth bini people will travel to ife to look for a king for themselves despite the eons of renowned royalty.

on the other hand, yoruba still havn't told us any prior kinds they had before oduduwa.

this story is very clear.

but yoruba will insist that someone turned into a river, or that odudwa came down from heaven without parachaute with a chicken and amala on both hands, and started the first owambe known to man.

odiegwu.

Why can't Bini accept an Ife royal, they were in time of crisis? btw not all Bini accepted Oranmiyan or his son. ..till today Ogiamien is the real King of Bini, Oba only buys his right during every coronation...let any Bini deny this. ..I dare u


that's when people mix mythology with history. ..talk to people who can tell the difference

martineinstein:
do u have evidence?.... Convince me. Same myth that oduduwa fell from heaven follows your assertions

You really nt bright. nd I'm tired of explaining yoruba traditions to fools who have no traditions of theirs


in Yoruba society. .. we tell two forms exist to the tales - history nd mythology. ..if u are ignorant or jst plain dumb enough to take mythology for history bad for u

there's Oduduwa, the spirit being who came from Orun to reform the flooded earth
and there's Oduduwa, the progenitor of Yorubas Obas. .and the Oba at Bini

pls get some sense nd stop listening to beer parlor history chat

gentleheart1:
What's your evidence? Please don't write what you don't know, enough of all this thrash.
Bini is not a Yoruba word point of correction
Binis aren't interested your dirty tribe.

first are you Bini? then I'll show u evidence



otherwise go tell us ur people's history if they got any

lharstborn:
The Alake seems to be high on dried Ugwu leaf.. The Awujale of Ijebu is way ahead of Alake of Egbaland. It is only Ijebuland whose ancestry can't be traced back to Ife. Get your facts right,Alake of Egbaland. Awujale no be ya mate!!

I think that ranking was economic ranking, during colonial times that ranking seems appropriate

Abeokuta was a wonderful city already

martineinstein:
guessed u were there when oba was buried in ife..

If this is ur defense; it's silly. . cus we might as well throw history out the window cus we were not there

arazanbal:
it shows you rily dont knw the binis hestory,evidence about the bini empire are every where in the world.ask the portuguese and the british, it the third empire in the world my friend.

u people feel so inferior but try to mask dat with senseless ego.

so now Portuguese and British are ur history keepers
wat do we expect when esogban doesn't even know the origin of his King

9jacrip:
What the Bini hinge their argument on is simply the rendition of names.

We need to remind them that names such as Oduduwa and Oranmiyan were nicknames and not actual names.

Oduduwa is a fusion of Odu to da Iwa. The vessel that brought creation/existence. The 'oduduwa' ife king, got called the name because he was the vessel through which Ife confederacy was ended.

Oduduwa is in no way Izoduwa or whatever con you folks come up with. The actual Oduduwa was in Ife's creation history and the name was extended to the human king who ushered in a new era of political unification in Ife.

I'm sure the Bini believe Oranmiyan which they changed to 'Omonayan' was his actual name rather than Odede which as the actual name.

Please and please, Bini folks need to do a proper research of Yoruba words before twisting it to fit into their poor revisionism.

I read somewhere that Ekhalederhen stopped over at Owo? Owo didn't even come into existence until after Oduduwa's period as king in Ife.

Edo folks be letting inferiority complex destroy their history

I laughed so hard after reading "Ooni is son of Oba of Benin"..."Oba of Benin has no connection with yoruba Obas" so a father has no connection with the son

but it's be honest Egbon, we yorubas have also lost our history. .the greater population still mock themselves by saying nonsense like Oduduwa came from the sky or Oduduwa came from mecca. ..why won't Bini take advantage to claim him too?

Problem is Nigerians don't care about history. ..they don't even teach history in schools, that's why people still say Oduduwa is from mecca, Yoruba from Egypt etc

we don't have any connection with arabs or Egyptians

now the esogban doesn't have knowledge of the topic he's trying to discuss. .. let the Oba of Benin say he is not a descendant of Oduduwa not a lousy chief

chinaze4real:
Abeg yorubas want to colonise benin foolishness personified

yoruba have already colonized Bini long ago

by Bini veneration of yoruba deities, Bini ruled by a yoruba son
even oro festival is held in Bini

Ubenedictus:
how come oba akiolu clearly states that his stool originated from bini?

u Bini folks really have big issues. . why do you feel so threatened by Yorubas?

so Oba of Lagos stool is from Bini. ..
Oba of Bini stool is from Ife. ..there!


and btw the current Oba of Lagos dynasty (Ologun Kutere dynasty) is nt Bini but Ijesa. ..

Ubenedictus:
d kings are connected by blood but binis are not yorubas..

But that's what Alake and Ooni are saying. . the ignorant esogban..a common chief is now saying nonsense


if Oba erediuwa is still alive he should say it himself that he was no connection with the house of Oduduwa

einsteine:
The Benin Empire was so great that when the people of Dahomey wanted to choose a new name for their country, they didn't choose Oyo, or Ife, they choose Benin.

u sure are deluded and loving it

martineinstein:
Ooni is too young to start unnecessary controversy...the monarch that almost colonized almost the entire southern Nigeria(from Lagos to kogi to bayelsa) and part of middle belt is now under u?.. If not for British punitive expedition of 1896,ooni would have been conquered by oba of Benin....
many first class monarchs are under oba of Benin,especially oba of Lagos,obi of onitsha,asagba of asaba,olu of Warri,dein of agbo etc. Even the traditional name of Lagos,'eko' is a bini word....ooni should go and rest joor

Oba agha t'okpe e!....ise!

excuse me. . during the time of Benin Empire, the omo n'oba n'edo was always buried in Ile-Ife. ..
so Ife was considered the origin of the omo n'oba n'edo and there's no way Bini could attack Ife, other yoruba groups wouldn't even allow it
Bini is a Yoruba word. ..so what's the issue over Eko whose Oba is nothing but a figure head

JoeBlocks:
I await the Oba of Benin response to this.

is he stil alive? the Ogiamien needs to be present before a new Omo n'oba n'edo can be crowned.
and it seems the Ogiamien has been missing for years

There's no Black race look.

just as Aryans don't look like folks from Britain but all still caucasians, same way somalis may not look like igbo or Zulu

luckysay:
The yoruba story of Oduduwa is so funny, stupid and meaningless to me. Am always so surprised how a modern day learned person still believes all those folktales and still hold on to it with passion as if it makes them a better people. I feel we should be more intellectually advanced than those tales by moon light of oduduwa falling from heaven with a snail etc etc

Actually it's those who don't know much about yoruba traditions that take the Oduduwa "coming"(nt falling) from Orun so seriously. .. in traditional yoruba society there's two forms to the tales we tell - Historical and Mythical - Same names might appear but they are different personalities

take a look at Oduduwa, a spirit being that was sent to finish the work of Obatala who got drunk, their job was to reform the earth after a great flood.

then there's Oduduwa, a man who was most likely a native of Oke-Ora a component hamlet northeast of Ife..he led a civil war against the reigning King Obatala and brought the hamlets together under a unified government


see the difference? and why people can easily get confused

Nowenuse:
Yoruba and Igbo ethnic identities were purely creations of the British colonial masters!
Prior to colonialism, some yoruba sub tribes never adressed themselves as yorubas. Ijebus, Ikales, Ilajes, Akoko, Okuns, Egbas, Awori e.t.c never adressed themselves as yorubas and some of them were never even under Oyo empire.

The same thing with igbo land. Ngwa clans, Ezza-izzi, Nsukka, Arochukwu, Ukwa, Anioma, Onitsha e.t.c never considered themselves as ethnic igbos and even till today some do not agree that they are igbos.

The british failed to unite the tribes of the middlebelt because they wanted to lump all our people under the rule of the caliphate for their administrative convenience of indirect rule.
If the british had united us. The middlebelt would have not been ethnically diverse as it is today. And as it stands, every ethnic nation and subnation hav their prides and no one would be ready to submit to the dominance of the other, hence the reason why ethnic merges can no longer work. Only the colonial masters can arrange that .

yoruba was nt the creation of colonial powers please. our unity as a single group came during colonial times but our brotherhood has lasted since the time of Greats like Oranmiyan, Sango, Orangun etc

the middle belt lack this brotherhood. ..what binds the various yoruba subgroups together is smeared all over

However I'm concerned about Groups in the middle belt still claiming distinct Identities when they are obviously related enough to be considered one ethnic nation

two shameless traditional "rulers"...so egypt is in yours traditions modern black man and his desire to link with foreign culture

if I address the comments they will say I'm looking for likes nd popularism and invoke insults on me

funny thread sha. ...

Nowenuse:
Haba my brother! How can Nupes be 60% of Niger state? Do u know Niger state at all? Nupes at most are 40% of Niger state.
Nupes dominate only 8 LGAs out of the 25 LGAs in Niger state (Niger south) and are found substantially in 2 other LGAs outside Niger south.

Niger east is dominated by Gbagyis/Gbari and other tribes like Kamuku, Koro and Kadara.
while Niger north has many tribes.

Also, U cannot authoritatively classify Kakanda as Nupe people. Yes they speak a Nupe language but they sometimes claim a distinct identity just the same way Gbari and Gade sometimes claim a distinct identity from Gbagyis. The same thing with Bassa people(of kogi, fct and Nasarawa state), Kupa people (kogi state) and Dibo people (fct). All these people speak Nupe dialects, but they sometimes claim a distinct identity from Nupe. But Tiv is Tiv anywhere, no divisions.

Nigerians should have grown past this unnecessary divisions. they should learn from the Yoruba, and come together as one ethnic nation.

Nowenuse:
The traditional ruler of the largest tribe of the middlebelt. The Tor Tiv- HRH Alfred Akawe Torkula.

Are Tivs larger than the Nupe

Lemon12:
A very useless Oba

That goes around flogging co-traditional rulers
I from this moment ban him from entering into Igboland

Deji Ajaponda Giving dem igbos sleepless nights kabiesi continue

WaffenSS:
pagans are arseholes

you're a pagan

therefore you're an arsehole

muslims are moronic slaves. ..which is worse?

9jacrip:
You're still engaging our oga in a back and forth? It is best to leave people to believe in whatever appeals to them. I've adopted this stance as far as NL goes, going back and forth with people gets draining for me - after 1 or 2 posts with reasonable facts, I'm done.

This is a faceless forum, a o mo ara wa ri lati ibikankan, so the thought of death, threat or wish of it ninu odun tuntun and beyond o wapa, oga absolutesuccess whomever wishes you death ma fo ohun ati ebi e di, let's drop the reference to death or anything related, positive vibes loju regardless of varying opinions on a subject.

Egbon. I had to clear myself o. ..before they accuse me of attempted murder... via whatsapp

WaffenSS:
You need foreign culture to descend to the lower levels.

You need piety to be decent.

Religion is most often about symbolism.

The hijab is a symbol of piety.

that lower levels you and your fellow black african muslims have descended to.

you don't need piety...you need to be cultured. the Hijab is a culture -arab culture for a non arab like urself to lay divine importance on something that doesn't concern you shows how low you are.

no wonder arabs are always racist towards blacks - u live as their slaves

ogbanje1:
No, your miserable tribe.

omo ode. I don't have a tribe. your people still exist as a tribe...nd u call ur superiors barbaric, uncivilized and what not

Ahnn:
yea so funny infact im spliting my sides.well,mayb ure the one who supplies the human flesh and blood since u dont know d difference btw bread and human flesh

morons everywhere. you eat poo as a symbolic substitute for human flesh. ..wat u call that? that's ritual and symbolic cannibalism

absoluteSuccess:
What I say is I'm not distracted by your distractions, you can remove the pix of your bait and try some other ways to send home the message.

But it should also impress you that an index case is established, and the prime suspect filed. You want to hunt for me but you will end up being hunted.

your money won't save you.

Mr. Man I have nothing to do with 9jacrip's post about "people who make mockery of the Yoruba should be shot for their stupidity" it's your post that called for such statement. ..it is after all a very stuupid thing to say "Isokun is Isaac" or Ebora is Abraham(and later saying Ebora is Deborah)... does ur life depend on identifying with the people of the middle-east?


abeg o. ..I'm not the one that sent u messages on whatsapp. ..why would I send private messages to you when I think you insane?
paranoid and psychotic waoh!

I wish you get well at some point in your life

WaffenSS:
At least they fear their fathers.

Your girls fucck their fathers.

And their fathers friends too.

Oh pls stop saying nonsense. Yoruba families that follow culture and traditions don't do this. I can't say, maybe this happens with muslim girls


again I'll tell you , you don't need foreign culture to be descent

Threedots:
i seriously dont know if the festival should be abolished but i would tell you something i know. I am currently staying around badagry in Lagos State and we've been terrorized by a group of cultists who call themselves 'One Million Boys' They rob, amputate and perform other atrocious acts like making father rape daughter and son sleeping with mother and ever since the police have been unable to do anything.

The Oro people have been able to keep them at bay, in this case they are used as security since the system has failed.

Exactly! this is the duty of Oro, in pre colonial Yorubaland they were like the modern security service.

and some fools want yorubas to abolish Oro? Esu punish dem morons