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Freiden:
I havent read any comment from a female on this ish that isn't bias.

I guess most of y'all ladies didn't read the part where the guy said he slapped his d¡ck....meaning he was able to control himself.

Men naturally get turned on by what they see. That's how we're made. If you wanna blame someone for that, blame God/nature.

Sometimes this young girls are so grown and with developed body that you start to doubt their age.

If a man gets turned on by a fully grown kid, I see no crime in that....he would only be committing a crime if he fails to control his sexual urge towards such a kid.

However, he should have kept his thoughts to himself to avoid this public crucification.... I hope this won't come to hunt him in future......because people are good at digging up shit no matter how old it is.

Oh pls. all these excuses are silly. should an adult be aroused by a child? a child is a child and has a lot of mental growth to do. ..an 11 year old is just starting puberty so enough of all this "she is developed".
should a man be turned on by every woman he sees? if not why then should he be turned on by an 11 year old?
I guess a father should avoid his 12 year old daughters because "she is developed" and one look at her turns him on....whats ur say to that? if a father knows to not "turn on" for his daughter - whom he loves then why should men out there be "turned on" for children?

cococandy:
Sick fools.
First of all he didn't even mention dressing in his post to start with.
But as usual we've managed to introduce their dressing into the equation as an excuse to lust after children.

Buncha disgusting humans.

rapists and pedophiles like kallmemrB will always find excuses. ..nowhere did the foolish man talk about dressing but here are his club members bringing up "provocative dressing".. if these bastards see a furless Cat I'm sure they'll be aroused too

kallmemrB:
why would I think of raping a lady when I know its wrong.....the guy speech was blown outta proprtion....it means u see nothing wrong if ur sister walk around naked

people walk around exposing flesh in the many forests of africa and south Asia
before Europeans brought their abominations, many people like the Ijaws and many Igbo groups moved around exposing much flesh
they said we were savages, primitive and uncivilized. .. I rather be that than a rapist and pedophile

Mamatee07:
thank you, this is Africa where children run around in pants and its never been justification for rape. sick goats

Exactly! many tribes in africa and Asia dress with little clothing exposing their bossom yet their men don't rape

in the Arab world, women cover all over their body yet their men rape and have intercourse with children

pedophiles and rapists don't deserve to live

iykedare:
B1tch, answer the damn question and stop blabbing. Fool.

At what age did you f0rk a dick? Hypocrite!

Ashawo oshi.

hypocrite? ashewo? for condemning a useless man's comment about an 11 year old


I see what foreign religions and culture have brought upon us...Mohammed comes to mind... because they have no problem having intercourse with children doesn't mean we should too

BIGTinfotech:
Common, we're talking of an 'adult' probably a married man sef. No one is shielding the man from any blame whatsoever. Please be guided.

the reason why he should not be encouraged wit that statement. an adult, possibly married needs not be aroused by a little child.

pedophiles should be beheaded

Miggs:
impossible!men are biologically attracted 2 young women.if you don't agree with this statement,you are lying 2 yourself

an 11 year old is not a woman but a child

kallmemrB:
you are a fool for asking that question

No neocortex is not a fool for asking that question.
you are obviously a child rapists or a potential one. I wish ur daughters what you wish for others

flexyfranky:
Yes, his d*ck may be up, but the fact is that he is honest enough to say it loud. But of a truth, this generation of parents are really spoiling their children when it comes to dressing. You see a mother wearing her 5year old girl a skirt that is not up to the childs kneel level and a dress that exposes her little breast and tomorrow you expect that child to dress properly? Of course it is impossible.

You lack vital neurons in ur brain. this is africa you pervert. not long ago did young children move around with nothing but "Pata" (short underwear). yet raping children was never a thing

Esu punish all you child rapists and supporters

kallmemrB:
I don't really blame the guy,hes just voicing the tot of most guys.... The level of indecent dressing between young adolescent are on the rise.....sometimes you try to imagine how there parents grant them freedom to leave the house looking like whores.....

The guy dicck statement might be out of line but the truth is rape is really on the high...

It may sound unfortunate but its like the ladies from age 10 above are the ones encouraging it with indecent clothing's..

Gone are the days when a lady in Long skirt or gown looks gorgeous

BIGTinfotech:
One might be quick to label and call Him names like Pervert or something cos He simply voiced His thoughts...which had some sense in it.


However, not all thoughts are meant for public consumption, for the safety of one's integrity. Even though He meant no harm...so He's still a pervert!!


But seriously, i'm amazed at the level of un awareness of parents who claim to be educated or elites, and allow their pre-teen and teenage daughters dress in some unhealthy manner. It beats my imagination.

so the parents of the rapist have no blame here, we blame the child and her parents.

are you people insane? this is africa, and not too long ago young children and old women move around top less yet rape was very rare

toyinakomolafe:
It does not necessarily connote that olukere is the ruler but He is the first to settle. Kingship is never about who settled first like the case of Benin, ife, Itshekiri etc where migrants came to establish kingdom. In the case of Ife, oduduwa met people there, Yoruba established monarchy in Benin and Benin established monarchy in Itshekiri land. same with Ikere, Kingdom was established by Ogoga.

Egbon, that title "olukere" is very powerful. .. There's a reason the Alaafin is called "Oloyo" and the Ooni "Olufe".. Olubadan

if ogoga established Ikere, two things should have happened
1. the town changes name
2. the olukere will not still be claiming kingship as "olu of Ikere"

in Benin, ife there were civil wars to establish the new dynasties. with itsekiri, there was no king.
Ikere had a king, ogoga would have used military might to usurp authority but no records of such. ..rather he started as a person who assisted the olukere in administrative duties. .while olukere took to spiritual duties
and don't start belittling the role of a traditional spiritual leader..cus Obaship contains both aspects of leadership.

scholes0:
The Ogori peoples' status confuse me generally.
They speak Yoruba generally, but some say they are Ebira, others say they are their own eth ic group. Some even say that they are Edo.

in my opinion they should be considered Akoko
they are yorubas who must have fallen to Ebira authority sometime in history

xage:
When okun/kabba people say their Yoruba, other Yoruba's will deny us, something aplaudable comes up and they are here chanting "she's Yoloba, Yoruba ko Lolowa ni

iro nla. Okun people are considered full yoruba by other yorubas
it's some of ur people who are ignorant enough to not want unity wit other yorubas

Fulaman198:
I'd say it's better than English as Hausa is still without a doubt an African language. I'd rather be speaking an African language than a euro language.

. cool then

MrPresident1:
It is a sign of dysfunctional parentage to not be able to engage in conversation without being insultive, it shows a complete lack of home training occasioned by an irresponsible abdication of parental obligation over the said ofspring.

Yoruba believe Ile-Ife is the home of civilization is mythology.

sorry for you then. If honesty bites for you then there's nothing I can do for you
you are a dummie and that's an honest truth. .deal with it and improve yourself

everything you say is worse than mythology. .its pure rubbish. .. Ife Oodaye is in the middle-east indeed

bigfrancis21:
Actually, names with 'mo' in Igboland especially in Delta Igbo axis are very common and is often a short spelling of 'mmuo' meaning 'spirit'. Names like mokwunye, modebe, mozere (may the spirit intercede), enemmo etc. are quite common in Anioma. On the eastern flank, 'mmuo' bearing names in full are more common i.e. mmuodebe, enemmuo, ilommuo etc.

You fail to see the point. ur igbo Mozere doesn't mean anything like the Olukumi "Mozere". ..which means the same thing when rendered as "Mojere" in yoruba.. that is "I've been favored"

even the name "Olukumi" means same in all yoruba dialects which includes Olukumi dialect...

9jacrip. I don't think archeological findings at Ife should begin with Oduduwa. .. afterall there was Ife before Oduduwa
Ife existed in the BC but certainly Oduduwa the first Ooni was not around that early in time. we would have to look at 11th- 13th century AD not earlier, not later

9jacrip:
Uncle Lawani, you need to pump your brakes with this Oluwo thesis.

The only name close to Oluwo is Luwoo and she was an Ooni many years after Oduduwa had long gone.

It is obvious your knowledge of Yoruba is on the surface, I intentionally didn't drop the bomb on the actual woman Oduduwa impregnated, I waited with hopes you would come back with it but you didn't. It tells me a lot I needed to know.

The woman Oduduwa impregnated was Orunto, this is the family where the Obalufe is picked and my paternal grandma is from the Jaojo line of the 4 lines of the compound.

Drop this Oluwo already and quit giving it unnecessary rendition.

Ife, with or without the Europeans was never going to decline. If it would, the exit of Oduduwa's sons and the passing of Oduduwa would have placed Ife in the coffin of decline. The rise of Bini, Oyo, Ijesa, Ekiti, Ibadan and the incessant Modakeke beef would have brought about or hasten Ife's decline, yet it still stands and her relevance stays reverberating all over the world even in the academia.

I don't know why you keep bandying the 're-incarnation' idea.
Everyone in my compound, depending on your level of depth in Obatala worship or knowledge of Oogun gets called all types of names. One of my uncles who passed recently was called Aje Orisa (Obatala was called that), does this mean a reincarnation? No. You can pick up whatever name suits you and choose to be called/known by it.

The Ogun that reigned after Oduduwa was Obatala's son, likewise Obalufon 1 and Obalufon 2. Obamakin was Obalufon's brother.

Issuing orders does not necessarily mean political, it leans much more towards military. Timi of Ede issued orders, does this make the seat of timi much more politically relevant than that of Ife or put it at peer with Ibadan seat? No.

Owu's original site was Owu Ipole beside Apomu, the ruins are there. It was from here they moved to Ibadan and other places.
I co-researched Owu history with someone so I'm well aware of the details.

Whatever child Orunto birthed by Oduduwa did not ascend the throne.

Thank you sir.

Go research Orunto if you have contact in Ife traditional circles.

I'm still shocked over this Obatala/Ogun relationship. . I've always told you Obalufon was a son of Obatala, you didn't believe

Adimula would be the son of Orunto. .I'm I right?

saxywale:
I would also rephrase my question as you never answer it:

Question 1:
If you go to Ife today, you would be shown the spot were Oranmiyan was laid to rest. A shrine has been built there not far from where the Obelisk of Oranmiyan stands.
Why did Oranmiyan choose to return to Ife, and reign as the Ooni, despite your claim that going to Ife was demeaning for him?

Question 2:
In 1903 before the formation of Nigeria, why did the other obas reject the Alaafin as judge or the Awujale (since the tussle was in Ijebu domain), but requested for a King in the Yoruba Hinterland, to help settle the dispute involving Elepe of Epe and the Akarigbo of Ijebu-Remo over Elepe’s right to wear a beaded crown?

Question 3:
If Alaafin(Oba Adeyemi Lamidi) was the youngest of the grandsons of Oduduwa, Why are his elder brothers like the Orangun (Oba Adedeji Oyedotun), Omo N'Oba(Erediauwa), Olowu(Adegboyega Amororo) e.t.c not claiming superiority?
If Alaafin Adeyemi was claiming superiority based on ancient or past Military conquest, then the Olubadan should be claiming superiority too over the Alaafin, since Ibadan later became an authority with military strength, or the Ekiti parapo that later defeated the Ibadan during the kiriji war.

Question 4:
How can the Alaafin appoint an Ooni,when he was not even the oldest of Oduduwa's lineage? Can the Olowu appoint an Ooni?
Also Oduduwa himself was an Ooni, so how can a lesser king appoint someone to an higher throne? Can the Olota of Ota appoint the Olu of Ilaro(paramount ruler of Yewaland)?

Question 5:
This is no struggle at all. The picture shows someone bowing to an higher authority. Why is that so?
Note: Oba Lamidi Adeyemi became an Oba in 1970.
Oba Aderemi was governor between 1960 and 1962.
This is no struggle as you claimed in your post?

Since you dodged the first set of questions by giving us a ''tales by moonlight story'' of an unknown woman and her slave child, I decided to add two more questions.

Question 6:
What has Oyo got to show as Oranmiyan's legacy (his sacred staff - Opa - and tombs are still in Ile Ife today)?

Question 7:
If Alaafin is superior to Oonife, why did Alaafin Aole(Awole), during the time of Oyo's military reign, commit suicide (having committed unpardonable sacrilege) after attacking a town directly under Ile Ife?

Egbon you'll kill someone with these questions o

Achuwa1:
The igbos are not cowards,we are civilized citizens & our lawyers are gathering fact we will use in court,,,,,ambode will definitely bow to pressure & settle the traders whose goods where damaged or he goes apologizing officially like fashola did in his own time,,,,
i also want to remind u tht a day of reckoning is coming when the true sons & daughters of lagos will take over govt from u foreign yorubas ruling lagos

Are you the defender of lagos? wats ur business if non lagosian yorubas are in lagos? Lagos is still Yorubaland you dummie

it seems difficult for u dumb igbos to get that

btw the real lagosians are in perfect control. .that they seed authority to some other yorubas in certain areas doesn't mean they are losing their land or power over it

tonychristopher:
But why would u call ugbodo Yoruba.does that sound Yoruba to u..they don't bear Yoruba names their culture and names igbo

Just go call them your ba and see

Just few days ago ...femi was telling me how he wish he is igbo

Actually, unless a word contains "chi" or something absent from yoruba lexicon it sounds yoruba. they bear yoruba names actually. .. jst like Chidi and Chukwudi in different igbo dialects, Names like Mojere and Mozere, Omawunmi and Omowunmi are different dialects of the same language...even Oloza is Oloja


they say Oma - like many yorubas do
say Aze when western yorubas say Aje
they say "se" like many yorubas while western yorubas say "she"


their culture doesn't seem so different from what we have in Owo - their homeland

9jacrip:
Do you understand 'Oba' as a term is for chiefs?

This is why supreme kings do not use Oba but rather some other appellation, sometimes derived from the name of their domain?

'Olofin' is what members of 'awo' and 'ogboni' call (till today) Oduduwa - if you've been to any Ogboni or Awo gatherings, not necessarily what he gave himself.

'Ooni' was the title people of Ife called him.

that's true. .. reason why some princes and nobles who left Ife adopted "Oba" was to signify a lesser status to the Olofin at Ife

even the Awori founded was called Olofin never Oba

bumtos:
YYou lack home manners, go and learn how to talk.

o

you lack a good head on your shoulders. .. you call urself yoruba but follow people to demonize everything yoruba and seek manners? nonsense

MrPresident1:
Ife Oodaye is located in the Middle East where Oduduwa came from. Oduduwa was displaced from Oodaye and he climbed down from heaven to earth by a chain.

Oduduwa met aboriginal people on ground whom he civilised and thought many great things. The Yoruba ethnic group is made up of Oduduwa and non-Oduduwa, like a church wherein Jews and Gentiles can freely worship together.

. everyone knows life began in africa dummie

whom he civilized? stop saying nonsense, Yoruba believe Ife is the home of civilization

FOLYKAZE:
Why then is the oriki of Ile Ife referred to as Ife Oodaye ibi ti oju ti n mo wa?

Ifa made us to know that Orunmila left Ife and settled in Ado. Ogun settled in Ire. These two settlement exist till date. Why is Oodaye different?

Actually Orunmila was originally from Ado (although not called ado then)...

Oodaye if real, existed long before Ire...ire is a contemporary of Ife Ooye.

one thing I'm not sure of is, if Ife was never centralized before Oduduwa what areas constitute Ife Ooye? can we say all major yoruba centers of that time was part of Ife Ooye

lawani:
That is true. The title of the Oba of Ife Ooyelagbo was Olofin Aiye or Olu/ Oba of Ife. Like most present titles, the Ooni title is new.

Oba of Ife ooyelagbo ke? I hope you know that Ife ooyelagbo was an entire cultural territory not a Centralized State

9jacrip:
Have you ever attempted a rendition of Omo Oluwo ni into how it fits into Ooni as against Ooni o ni ile?

Did you keep in mind that Ogun to Obalufon II were of Obatala's dynasty?

Wrong history @ the emboldened.

Two brothers vied for the throne.

Otutu and Olowoyelu from the line of Lafogido.

Otutu was the younger brother but he was picked to fill the office of Ooni.

Olowoyelu the older brother was angered by this and decided to leave Ife.

A hunter (can't recall his name) had him and his followers settled at Iwara, he became king and used the title of Ooni as well.

Which was later changed to Olufewara and was then changed to Adimula of Ifewara.

Otutu is one of the royal lines in Ife today and they produced Ademiluyi.

Well, I've favored the omo oluwo ni but I'm not saying it's the authentic version...it appears to come only from Oyo sources


no, Ogun is not of Obatala. ..pls confirm. you should know better

I'm not even familiar with Ifewara so I can't say

AKYEMITE:
what did oduduwa used?

Olofin, Olufe

saxywale:
Rev Johnson was a descendant of alaafin abiodun. His book was biased in the sense that it attempts to legitimize Alaafins imperial claims over other neighbouring states.

What other Yorubas exactly were you referring to? The
The "omo oluwo ni" was what rev Johnson cooked up on page 24 of his book. I have never heard of that story from any other yoruba history or source.
Well researched journals and articles have been written after rev Johnson's book, and non acknowledges the omo oluwo theory.

It's also funny the book never acknowledged that Oduduwa met Obatala at Ife, rev johnson believed omo oluwo's mother was meant to be sacrificed to Obatala.lol.

the "Omo Oluwo ni" Saga is just one of the few things I don't disagree with Samuel Johnson

I was first told by a babalawo from Oyo that after Olofin (that is Oduduwa) there was another civil war between the house of Oduduwa and Obatala and at that time the heir of Oduduwa(my guess is Ogun) had no child until he almost sacrificed a slave woman who happened to be pregnant for him. ..the child grew up to contend for his father's throne but other family members rejected him saying "Omo Oluwo ni" Oluwo the slave of many years ago. .. at Obokun I confirmed the story as the Owa Obokun Ajibogun was said to have invited him and gave him a land known as Ifewara today.


so subsequent Obas at Ife became known as Omo Oluwo ni = Ooni

lawani:
It is healthy to have doubts but accounts are accounts. That someone is Aromolaran does not mean he knows history. You know history only if you are interested in it enough to study it and analyse it. I did not make any of the accounts up. I got them from books and from oral accounts in Ilesa. Not everybody is interested and you can not analyse what you are not interested in. I don't believe the Mecca story was made up or the Waddai story of the Awujale. People who think their ancestors are primitive and foolish have such beliefs. I don't have such beliefs, so I believe the Mecca and Waddai stories as passed down. I don't like doing embellishments.

We are descendants of the orisas, all of us and no one is more a descendant than another. The Obalufe is not more a descendant than the Ooni. The belief is that all humans are descendants of the orisas.

I believe there are still people alive today in Yoruba land, Muslims who went on hajj to Mecca and returned by foot. So there is nothing strange in Oduduwa coming from Mecca, he did not only come from there but also visited there again after settling in Ife. Ife was a big capital in those days.

muslims go to mecca and return by foot? Pls stop sounding like a child that believes every fairy-tale

Oduduwa was no Meccan. .. what do yoruba call mecca? what can we say about mecca? even our knowledge of Arabs came through the hausa ...that's why we call them the same thing hausa call them - larubawa

it's not difficult to figure out a falacy like this. ..I don't know why you believe everything you read

Fulaman198:
Interesting, Well it's the same in Niger and Northern Nigeria. Hausa is the main language, but others like myself can still speak Fulfulde. Just like I'm sure les Peuls in Senegal and Mali can still speak Pulaar/Fulfulde.

But is this not a good thing? Hausa being the language of northern Nigeria that is

It's called yorubanization... We have many non yorubas running to Yorubaland. .its only natural for their children to become Yorubanized