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9jacrip:
Yes, Obameri was not only a warrior but Oduduwa's top general during his reign. No he was not an Oba before Oduduwa (I would like to think he was one of Odudwa's bandits when he came usurped power) but he reigned during Oduduwa's period, he saw to the exile of Obatala during the face off with Oduduwa.

Obameri is attributed to death - he plays very paramount role each time an Ooni "wo àjà"

The Obameri clan and mine are antithetic, although no open confrontations. During Itapa Festival (Obatala), there is a partical day during the 21 days between December and January when Obameri clan celebrate what seems like 'Obatala's defeat and exile' only!

Obameri was killed by Oranfe (god of thunder, lightening and fire) during the Oduduwa & BabaYeye's face off.

Osangangan Obamakin was an Ooni, Oseeremagbo is one of Obatala's orikis while Oreluere is said to be a figure that ruled pre Oduduwa.

Who is Babayeye?

So Osangangan is not part of Obatala's oriki? I thought it was. Do you know Obatala's oriki well?

another question, Whats the relationship between Obalesun and Obatala, was Obalesun a title Obatala held as Oba of Idita and Iranje? can Obalesun be any member of Idita or must be a descendant of Obatala?

bigfrancis21:
It is an Igbo word originating prior to the slave trade period of Igboland (1600 - 1800). The earliest record of 'oyibo' being of Igbo origin, not 'oyinbo' can be found in the biography of Olaudah Equiano's of blessed memory (an ex-Igbo slave) written in the 1700s, during which as early as the 17th century, the Igbo were already using it to refer to 'light-skinned' people found amongst themselves long before the white men came.

Excerpts from Olaudah Equiano's book:


https://archive.org/stream/theinterestingna15399gut/15399.txt

If you're still in doubt, read more closely the context of usage in which he used to refer to the men as 'Oyeeboe' because they had 'mahogany-coloured skin colour' (we all know that the colour of mahogany is reddish brown) and his rendering of the meaning of the word as 'red men'. Interesting, light-skinned Igbo were referred to as 'red eboe' in America and the Caribbean, a term which has still stuck till today.

'Oyinbo' is a corruption of the original word, 'oyibo'. How could the Yoruba have developed a word for 'Oyibo' when, till today, there are very few naturally light-skinned individuals amongst themselves yet at least 40% of the Igbo people are light-skinned, a phenomenon even well-documented in far-away America during the slave trade?

The same way 'akamu', 'ogbono', 'okro' (Okwuru in Igbo), 'Agidi', 'Nwantinti' (Yorubanized as wantintin) etc. which are Igbo words adopted in Yoruba language today will be claimed by the next generation because they grew up hearing the words used in daily Yoruba speech. Some Yorubas have started claiming those words to be Yoruba already.

Don't lay claims you can't prove. It is very easy to say, 'oyinbo is from yoruba' but to prove it is entirely another thing. Furnish proof that shows the word is authentically Yoruba. Other than that, your claim is baseless.

this is a joke right? Seriously you give me words from a book written by an ex-slave who lived among other African slaves including Yorubas
If he is the 1st record of the word used by an Igbo then, it confirms the Yoruba influence

Because Yoruba don't have as much light skinned ones as Igbo doesn't mean we should not have a word for them...Yoruba has a word for anything that exists in Yorubaland
So u think light skinned children weren't called anything to portray their different skin tone? That's even more hilarious

either you are a Liar or you really don't know..
Akamu, ogbono, okro, agidi, nwantiti aren't used by anybody speaking Yoruba

We call them Ogi, Apon, Ila, eko,


Oyin(honey) + bo (peel) hence the word Bora(bleach) like in Patoranking nd Olamide's song

If u like keep peddling ur false conception

9jacrip:
Ife people did not turn away from Obatala and they did not pledge allegiance - the only person/family that pledged allegiance was the Obameri.

The leader at that time has been exiled, what do you expect?

This obameri character I don't know. He was a warrior I suppose but was he an Oba of one of the pre-oduduwa communes?

and are these names all part of Obatala's alias: osangangan obamakin, oseremaigbo, oreluere

sexysb:
You think it's that straightforward? You think you can work or run a business in any part of the world without a valid passport or work permit? Make una leave nigeria Biko and let's see how you will live and work in Lagos to start with. All your monopoly of Alabama market, ladipo, etc will be brought to an end. You people will go through hell to do business or reside in the west

It's too late for the Biafra dream.

Do u know how many Igbos are in Ghana doing business and how easy it is to operate in a West African state?

Igbos have nothing to fear in oduduwa...we are naturally hospitable people

johnmartus:
My appeal to jonathan stop seeking for gods power initially your creator have reject you will you allow your life to be like saul? Power is from God bestow whoever he wish

Very disturbing comment here. I take it that u are GEJ's creator to have known that his creator has rejected him

This is why I say u Christians are bastards and morons, the way u talk and despise anything connected to ur culture
Seeking blessings from Obas is now evil? How much dumber can u get?

Dayoara:
All power in heaven and on earth belongs to God... So oga Jona,if oduduwa,sango,ogun and the rest use staff to pray for if God didnt approve it you cant be...good characters is better off.

Sango, Ogun,.oduduwa that u mentioned are more competent than ur useless Jehovah

jacksonlows:
I'm about to release a piece of intellectual work publicly. I seem confused on which to use.. Oyibo OR Oyinbo??
Help needed here..

It's oyinbo...whoever pronounce it as oyibo only corrupts it from the original Yoruba form
Only as Oyinbo does it make sense and have a meaning

amodu:
una need to intensify the evangelism...

Enjoy it now cus soon evangelism will be illegal punishable by fine/jail time

U know the best thing for u Christians...
Pick a one way ticket to the Vatican where you have no enemies

GerogeI:
Question for you on evolution, as I agree with your ideas of use and disuse
Who started the initial process, the very first seeding -?
Evolution is an optimization process, you cannot optimise something that does not exist, so who created the very first model or sample, even if it was a tadpole?

Lemme try to understand u better...do u mean how did the first living organism appear?

Solozzo:
How about the Big Bang? Something must have existed outside space and time that kicked off the expansion and creation of energy, hydrogen , lithium and some beryllium with space and time. Quantum physics adopts some of tge principles that religion talks about. For example existence of energy and particles in two places at the same time; achieve speeds faster than light; come into existence from nothing.

The universe appears disorderly but there us a background of order and purpose. The descriptions of gods and spirits are primitive origins of quantum physics.

the big bang didnt state space was created at the point.....we aren't even sure what space is exactly..if it must contain matter, or be between two objects to be held relevant or existent.
Nobody knws the origin of Energy, it has always been and cant be created or destroyed. the big bang itself was a result of Energy density and high tempereture that triggered the expansion.
Its nt a "creation story" asin creation from nothing but about the origins of the expansive state the universe has become today

kay1one2:
Civilisation goes further than inventions to also cover acceptable culture. The jews had a culture that was Godly and supportive of development.

what have Jews contributed to civilization? Absolutely nothing
Even bees, goats and horses have contributed more to human civilization around the world than lousy Jews

12ema:
[Yes, the Alaafin was elected by the Oyo mesi who also formed the uncodified constitution
They also had the power to depose an Alaafin lacking in competence, strength and character by compelling him to suicide

I'm sorry; i thought i was discussing with a versed individual. The above is a quote from you. So when you used ELECTED i assumed, like any other sane person would, that you refered to democracy which was the basis of our discussion. I believe it is only in a democracy that one is elected, or am i wrong. I am still waiting on your explaination on why ritual killing is ok. And female circumcision has it's place

You either don't know what the oyo mesi is, or u don't know what democracy is

again where did u school?

I didn't say ritual killing is ok...why don't u understand basic 1 English?
I said at that time it was moral to use slaves and criminals for all kinds of sacrifice, blood and service

Go ask people who perform female circumcision, I am nt ur guy for that

kay1one2:
Whatever it is islam is definetely trying to forestall progress! And they weren't pagans but jews that eventually birth christianity. From peter to paul to all the apostles who had their root in judaism!

So ancient greeks, Chinese and the Sumerians who invented wheel were Jews?

What have u need smoking?

12ema:
Twisting words as usual. Soon you would try to justify your belief that ritual killing is moral and female circumcision has it's place.

Mr. man where did I tell u about democracy?
Where u dreaming or wat? Pls lemme understand

12ema:
Everything is always delicious on paper, that is until you have to taste it. ISIS and boko haram are right now going back to the strict dictates of mohammed and Islam by killing whoever does not agree with the Muslim faith. That was how it was back in the day and it was legitimized by the quran. We are supposed to move forward not retreat back to archaic tenets. I don't know about you but 10 to 15 people determining the fate of thousands of people is not democracy. I presume you went to school; was that how democracy was defined to you?

moving forward has nothing to do with religion that's why I say dump dumb religions like christianity and Islam and free Africans from useless and unprofitable Arab and European culture and beliefs


Where did I say democracy? Separation of power means democracy in ur language?? Where did u school?

Fulaman198:
So you think black people are monolithic? They are black. They may not have your stereotypical what must southern Nigerians call 'Bantu' looks. However, you are honestly not going to say they are black:

https://media.lonelyplanet.com/lpi/610/610-35/681x454.jpg

They can easily pass for a Fulani or other Sudo-Sahelian groups

well all blacks don't look the same but berbers look too different from us and am nt jst talking skin but hair and facial features, I used to wonder why Africans would look like that.
I've seen a couple Tuaregs and they don't fit my definition of black, they aren't pure like Bantus and other major West Africans maybe due to too much stay in the desert away from the tropics and green forests but why the less black in the skin

And how black are fulani? Compared to Wolof and other sub-Saharan Africans
Can u post good pictures of wolof? let's see the difference

I don't think u would agree but I say fulani have mixed with berbers (who I don't consider to be blacks) in the past to produce the many stock of fulani we see today or could it be because you are from the far ends of the Atlantic coast?

Fulaman198:
In addition to Fulani and also Songhai (Zarma) who were very active as well. The problem is that most Southern Nigerians don't know the history of their northern counterparts because they spend too much time kissing Oyibo man's rear end.

In fact, I'm willing to say that more Fulani and Songhai were a part of that army since you can find Songhai and Fulani in both Niger and Mali. Mande are mainly in southern Mali

Zarma?? Who calls them that?

you don't see me kissing anybody's behind

Yh but were fulani already at Niger by the 8th century?

12ema:
So, basically what you are saying is back in the day, the aalafin of oyo had an election and was voted in and stayed in power based on character and strength.

2. Ritual killings were moral. "nuff said.

3. Female circumcision has it's place and purpose. Got it.

I really like this Utopia you have described. I can't wait for us to go back to it again.

Yes, the Alaafin was elected by the Oyo mesi who also formed the uncodified constitution
They also had the power to depose an Alaafin lacking in competence, strength and character by compelling him to suicide

Fulaman198:
Tuaregs and Siwa Berbers ( who are both black are Berbers). Majority of indigenous Berber groups today that still practise the culture are indeed black. The white Berber is a made up nonsense of people who are really European (Greek, Roman and Turk).

The fact a lot of you Africans don't know this is laughable. The Berbers living in the mountains are all predominantly black. Whilst those living the luxurious life not even practising traditional Berber culture are white.

Because of the pigment variation among berbers but they are not blacks...asin Negro people

12ema:
Riiiggghhhttt. I agree. Let's go back to sacrificing children, circumcising females, rituals killings, strict monarchical reins etc. I am with you. You are probably the most sane person here today.

strict monarchical reigns?? When u say this, what kingdoms do u have in mind? Cus I don't know of any black African kingdom that operates like that
if a particular king possesses so much power it's due to his personality not the system of governance cus we had separation of powers

Ritual killings were moral when they persisted, slaves and criminals were used but in the case of Christians, u perform witch hunting and killing of young children, burning them

Female circumcision has it's purpose and not every pagan culture practised this

absoluteSuccess:
Is it the blacks of Africa who do not have anything to do with north Africa talkless of Europe, (according to some folks here) that we are talking about, or we are adapting ourselves to the historical achievements of moors of north Africa based on pigmentation similarity?

Mande people of West Africa were very active in the Moorish army, it was a union of muslims gathered from lands the Arabs had Great influence which included modern Mali and Niger..plus Bantu slaves obtained by Arabs were among the Moors

anonimi:
We had serious achievements BEFORE the Sahara desert became fully dry and cut off exchange with other civilisations that leads to continuing development. Nevertheless we should not claim what is not ours in order to feel good uselessly.

very true, the sands of the Sahara cover many Great joys of black Africans

12ema:
define; "leave foreign religions"

Dump christianity and Islam.

Situation001:
Remember civilization started in Africa..

A time shall come that Africa will once more rule the world...

Only when Africans look to their ancestors and leave foreign religions

kay1one2:
The paper you write on was created in china in the bcs. Democracy you practice was developed in greece in the bcs. All modern progress made in today's world was in europe by officially Christian nations. Mohammed and islam represents backwardness!

Lmao
You said it all "in the bcs" hence Christians didn't exist then


Praise the ancient pagans for giving u civilization and everything you have today

kay1one2:
Read about Constantine the roman emperor after nero who made Christianity the official religion of the Roman empire!

You do realize that was the moment Rome's eventual fall began?

Christianity was the seed that grew to destroy Rome

JigsawKillah:
Jehovah is a European creation?
are you kidding me?
Jehovah is Yahweh and still is
what scraps are you talking about? are you saying Yahweh is forgotten?

Sure but this might be difficult for you to understand
Forget how u hear pastors sometimes use the name Yahweh, their personalities are totally different.

Here's wat u are nt seeing... The worshipers define their God you accept that right?
Yahweh is for the Jews, he has no son, a warrior god, his holy place is on mt. Zion (well all mountains actually) and so much more

Take a look at the history of the deity on this link and read the old testament more

Compare to Jehovah. Beloved father of his son Jesus whom he sent to deliver the world with his blood, a God of love and so much more.
Even many early Christians in Europe never knew of the God Yahweh, the concern of Christians is Jesus and the catholic church didn't use the word until the 1960s

And then..
In
2007, Pope Benedict XVI ordered the Pontifical
Biblical Commission to investigate whether the
use of the name Yahweh was offensive to
Jewish groups, and in 2008 the Vatican
recommended against the use of the word in
new bibles and prohibited its continued use in
vernacular worship

The major difference is Jesus being the son of Jehovah which is an abomination to Yahweh and his Jewish worshipers till today

Why do u think christianity had to be cut away as a separate religion from judaism?
Why have two religions for one and the same deity?

gatiano:
Wickedness is not a noun, it is a deed. wicked is also not a noun, it is an adjective.
so yoruba for you are wicked is "o buru" the person that commits the act of wickedness is Ika (devil). Osika means the maker of devil or chaos.

Ika is a noun so is Osika.

You are a skunky chicken.

blackman this, black that, that is right, blackman is everything.

It's useless having a discussion with a mad man.