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makazona:
I was correct about u being subjective.now see ur error
"NO yoruba speaks "odikwa" and "biko" which i proved wrong.i know no one is above mistakes.

so apologise first.

You probably didn't understand wat I was referring to
Lemme rephrase that to better ur understanding

"no Yoruba uses odikwa, biko when speaking Yoruba" I hope I am better understood now?

makazona:
You dnt bliv that someone can see beyond ethnic sentiments.thats why u think i shld nt come with the "famous line".

You disrespect people with your choice of word.dont call people's point "crap" and other unfriendly words.Learn to respect people's opinion and intelligently/decorously disprove such.

Hail anybody that is making a good point.keep tribalism aside.it pays not.

Look the guy is not making sense and I question ur intentions for hailing his (I repeat) crap

Disrespect people? Look who's talking...the guy has been insulting over 40million people and displaying his utter ignorance and I shouldn't let him know that he's making a nuisance of himself?

there's nothing wrong with tribalism...bigotry is the problem.
his point wasn't making sense but you wanted to make joy out of his insults and false assertions and hailed him...if u aren't bigot you wouldn't do that and hypocritical come here advising against "disrespect"

And she looked better when she was dark..bleaching doesn't pay anybody

The inferiority complex of some people...especially young ladies is jst bad

ladionline:
You have spoken well, I believe your post is provocative to the Yorubas just as the above.

the guy has gross inferiority complex. He mistakes pride in history and culture for Yorubas claiming to be superior...we aren't claiming that with Bariba, Fon, Ewe and Nupe that we conquered. according to him it's Edo we tackle day and night

@Nigerman1 nobody insulted u or insulted ur ancient kingdom...asides SirShymexx statement of Benin empire being landlocked...which he misplaced Empire for kingdom

You are the one hurling insults at over 40million people and hypocritically playing victim of verbal assault.
A pity u don't even know ur Benin history, Oranmiyan is a myth
Where did Oba of Benin come from? The sky?

NigerMan1:
@ macof - this is the major problem with you Yorubas. Now you gleefully described my posts as CRAP.

Now how do you describe your own theories?

Biblical truth?

Koranic truth?

Stories from God Almighty?

Stories created from 1st heaven and handed over to you?

Condemning others history while hailing yours is the height of hypocrisy and smack of Superiority mindset. Unfortunately only you, the Yorubas practice this in Nigeria!

Dude u are obviously too emotional.,u say oduduwa and Oranmiyan never existed, Yoruba hate each other, Yoruba feel superior, Yoruba are not smart, Yoruba are this and that bla bla bla jst to keep urself saying something and nobody went emotional about that but we all simply ignored ur nonsense...allowing u to pour out ur emotions

if u think Yoruba have superiority complex as much as u claim because many have pride. maybe because when u look at Yoruba what you see is superiority...but then that's left for u to sort out

Islie:
But he did mentioned that her sis was preg for him

No, am sure it was another girl not the sister

makazona:
Yes i understand he was speaking igbo which u have termed "pidgin". very soon we will argue they are not igbo words but "pidgin".

Accept ur error.that makes u a man.

smh. carry on...

I made no error if u have problems understanding simple text sorry

makazona:
U are also my brother too.i have maaaaaaaaany yoruba friends...But its all about mutual respect.

Learn to respest others too

Don't come here that famous line Mr. u jst hailed Nigerman1 for most of the crap he posted jst because it's against Yoruba not because it's true

Where did I disrespect anybody?

NigerMan1: Now am assuming you're Awori. Therefore
those you need to tell to keep off Awori land
are your fellow Yorubas who're not proud of
their own ancestry but claiming Lagos as
theirs.
You can see how people from Egba, Ijebu,
Ijesha, Akure, Ife, Oyo etc have totally
subjugated and dominate you the Aworis
both economically and politically? And
typical of Yorubas they have nothing but
disdain for the Aworis.

Not trying to plant a seed of division in the Yoruba nation now are u?

If only Bini, Owan, Etsako, Esan, Urhobo can come together as one you would be better off than divided along meaningless political lines

makazona:
U v spoken well bro.Dont mind them

Igboman hailing the Edo jst out of his hatred for Yoruba

Nothing wey I no see for this life

makazona:
Is it not unfortunate that the generally saying that most yorubas are rude and intolerant.thats why u call other persons explanation "dumb" even after facts were presented?
Its more of psychological bias which will never allow u see facts objectively.If you want the truth,read this thread again

and for slander(no yoruba says Biko and odikwa)
please listen to Daniel Anidupe a.k.a Kiss Daniel's song "woju"

Also see the pix below by Davido.another yoruba.these are just few of many instances about my assertion.

This shows how subjective ur arguement is.

Tnx

And he was speaking Yoruba? this guy is another joke

Davido wasn't writing Yoruba but pidgin...am sure you understand wat am talking about

@ NigerMan1
When are u going to stop ur emotional blabbing? Nobody insulted you or Bini

No Yoruba person insults Bini, we see Edos as brothers and don't discriminate towards u in the slightest manner. Yoruba history cannot be said without touching Bini jst like Bini history cannot be said without touching Ife, Oyo and Eastern Yoruba Towns
Bini or Edo as u like to call it is jst one single tribe..Yoruba is an ethnic constellation of tribes. so technically Yoruba not only have a larger population, bigger land we also are more influential. it's that simple no need for emotions that don't get us anywhere

Benin kings set up Lagos monarchy? What Lagos history do u know? The Awori set up Lagos monarchy.. go to Iseleko(downtown Lagos island) and ask who the Idejo chiefs are..
No offence to Oba of Lagos(commonly referred as Eleko) but he is not the ruler of Eko but a figure head, traditionally he owns nothing more than his palace(built as a gift for him on the island farm of Aromire - one of the Idejo chiefs) ..the Idejo chiefs are the rulers - the law makers and land owners...outside Asipa settling disputes among the Chiefs and his son Ado permanently residing in Eko, Benin nation had no power or influence over the Idejo chiefs because they owned more lands than even the Oba of Benin had to his name. Any form of presumed tributary was of the appreciation of having a neutral counsel in person of Ado

Very similar to the situation at which Oranmiyan found himself in Bini before Oba Ewedo suppressed the Bini chiefs and defeated Ogiamen

makazona:
Very soon,a thread will be created to know the origin of "biko"(i.e please/abeg) and "odikwa"(as in-It is...) as these are currently popular among our yoruba friends.

One thing is:No matter how long a Jehovah witness preaches to a "sinner",if he doesnt want to repent,he will not.

so my Igbo brothers,u have given tons of facts yet they see it as a contest they MUST win.Allow then to wallow in ignorance.

*RPGgggggggggggg!!!!! taking cover*

Wats the meaning of Oyibo that's all I ask..if Yoruba copied it from Igbos then Igbo should have a etymology of it
And pls don't bring that dumb "onye ibo" thesis

Btw no Yoruba says Biko or Odikwa...stop ur slander

kilokeys:
i am so curious about this particular case... ill check IG immediately

Edit: erhmm from my little quick research.. i think she is a fighter.. that would never give up on what she loves for anybody..
they have a child together.. and see her tattoos.. she is a die hard lass.
thats how they roll.. they have seen worse.. so.. ill let them just be..

Case closed

Islie:
That's different from having from your blood sister
That's a taboo in some culture..........

Madam read the OP. He didn't have any child with her sister o

This is how nairaland has turned this couple into celebrities

mmsen:
I have an issue with monarchy because it is the antithesis of a meritocracy, empowering one figure with so much power usually leads to abuse.

And what is wrong with meritocracy? Infact that's the best way of governance
You expect power to be given to dumb morons who have no achievement and pride in culture?

Probably you don't know what meritocracy is but it's common sense to give to who is deserving...you don't know the history of Benin and why Edos owe so much to the Oba

Many people would prefer power abuse from a well deserving figure in the face of competence and development (eg. Mao of China, Oba Ewuare, Alaafin Sango) over democracy with corruption, poverty, epileptic power supply, awful infrastructure etc. eg. Nigeria since 1960

Paspane:
I have no problem with monarchy I believe in retaining culture but what i wouldn't accept is culture violating human rights then if so it should be scrapped

Human rights finds it's source in culture

In other parts of the world, their rights is determined by what suits them - cultural attitude

spectator2001:
This mmsen guy... are u a nigerian? where in Nigeria are u from? Let me take it up from there.

Please be constructive in your response, I ONLY asked questions, please.

He's probably not a Nigerian or from one of those small insignificant tribes that have lost their culture

BuddahMonk:
check out this useless and oilclot yolobaman talking about geography as it affects SE and Aniomas

Probably your going to meet with a lowlifer Anioma like you not those in the calibers of Ralph Uwechue, Ngozi okonjo Iwuala, Pat Utomi, Dele Ezeoba, Ndudi Elumelu, Sylvester Monye, Obi Prof Chike Edozie the Asagba of Asaba, Prof Okonjo, and others whose names ring a bell yet still proud to show their Igboness, fluant their identity and mingle with their kiths and kins across the Niger. Look at a yoloba dingbat telling Aniomas where to belong or telling Biafrans who they are when majority of Aniomas contributed the larger troops that fought the civil war, do you think they were fools.

Even here in Anambra state do you know that some people dont consider themselves as Igbos, many towns especially the ticket touts and extortionists among them here even call us Igbos yet they are in Anambra State, they do everything Igbos do, answer Igbonames, take Igbo chieftancy titles or do you think there are no stvpid and moronic people in both side of the divide, you met an Anioma who is at home as a Deltan not as an Igbo, ediot yolobaman go and look for made Anioma people not internet touts like you.

I think you should be worried how Fulanis have taken over ilorin and now are ransacking Ore and Oshogbo, why are you conscerned about Igbos and Aniomas, why are you pained over whom the Aniomas chose to move with.

A good thread turned into a site for morons like u.

Am out!

mmsen:
You keep bringing up Europeans? Do you have a complex. Why are they your preferred point of reference?

Democracy is not unique to any one group of people - what do you have against the community being involved in a system of government? Do you also have issues with personal responsibility?

Of course not but then tell me what's ur problem against monarchy if not colonial mentality? - as I suspect

NigerMan1:
My Uncles? Oh sorry you're a typical Yoruba fellow. You were raised as extremely rude, socially indecent and lousy.

Hey I repeat the story of your Oduduwa and Oranyan were complete Yoruba fables and mythologies. They only existed in the Yoruba folktales and human rituals!

Please note this salient fact of recorded history: The Great Benin Empire was stronger, bigger and last longer than Oyo Empire.

You Yorubas can hardly point to great or solid achievement during European foray into our land, when histories were recorded. 97% of your 'history' are deliberate concoction of fabled mythologies attached to the 'dark eras'.

While your fake 'Oranyan' was great when there was no proof; however the old Benin Empire established the Lagos monarchy. And the name EKO (an Edo/Benin name) was given to Lagos.

Your Oranyan was so powerful yet you Yorubas could not invoke his dead spirit to help you overcome the Fulanis as they enslaved and captured Yorubas in Ilorin?

You could not reenact the so called power of your forebear to defeat the Fulanis as they mercilessly overran your terrified people, slaughtered Yorubas like rams and established Emirate.

What happened?

Again I ask you; what happen to the 'bravery DNA' of your forebear in you - their descendants? Why are you Yorubas not known as brave folks in the modern eras?

Or maybe the 'bravery genes' expired with the death of your fabled 'Oranyan'?

all this history illiterates. I asked u to speak with ur uncles..have u done that? Let them be the ones to tell u about Oranmiyan



Meanwhile...

mmsen:
It didn't work for them but democracy is a process - monarchy is a dead end that is why it is backwards.

Why are you so hung up on what the Europeans are doing anyhow?

Do you honestly believe that a monarchy is the best system of government?

A process that has been existing in Europe for over 2000yrs...if u call monarchy backwards because of the age, democracy is also backward

You are the one trying to define the world based on Major European ideas but lemme make you know that Monarchy is still well observed in some European countries. The greatest of human civilizations have been monarchical
If absolute power is ur problem.. Not every nation observed absolute monarchy

Monarchy is the best form of government

mmsen:
We have democratic institutions, use them.

Either we live in a meritocratic democracy or we retain backwards feudalistic ways.

There is no reason to maintain a monarchy in 2015.

If these monarchs wish to run for elected office then let them do so.


P.S.
I sure hope that you are not one of those negros talking about the "white man's ways" whilst going to church every week.

Backward? Because Europe says so? it didn't work for them but that's their business

mmsen:
It sounds as though he runs a parallel government - why is he 'settling disputes'? Are there no courts in Benin?

Monarchy has no place in a meritocracy or a fledgling democracy.

Two systems in one country is a recipe for chaos.

Yes Benin is a kingdom that has it's courts and even the president dare not disrespect traditional institutions
Jst because Nigeria hasn't disintegrated with the many abominations the British left behind doesn't mean Africans should lose their senses and forget tradition

kodlins:

Never knew the Oba goes to church oh

I doubt that....it must be a modern temple

Yes something is wrong with the Yoruba nation and that's Tinubu and his band of mindless thugs like Ambode and the OP

Bonapart:
they coming for urs.... mumu

This is how we know dumb morons. Simple question "have they used any of ur relatives head? He replies with that
foolish slave

Bonapart:
nothing like white man's way here. Burying a man with human head is kul with you right?
*Modified* I spit on ur tradition

Bestiality and homo sexuality is ok with you right?

Bleep u, cus u are nothing but a slave

Beautiful African houses.. Hausa have such a lovely developed culture
A pity Islam is destroying the legacies of the Hausa

That's good Otunba Gani Adams

NigerMan1:
Hey macof,

You've not said anything new at all. And just like your fellow Yoruba man, SirShymexx, you tactically avoided most of my points in earlier posts and reveling in same old Yoruba 'historical inventions' to promote your egos and SUPERIORITY.

Over the last few decades I watched as you Yorubas tactically created humongous folklores and tales. While these are good things, however you erred by implying denigration of Benin culture.

You wrote: "Funny how Edo had to wait for Oranmiyan before they started using Oba"

Now who told you this folklore and mythology of Oduduwa and Oranmiyan is TRUE? Of course your elders. Your Oranmiyan establishing kingship in Benin is 100% mythology and folktales. PURE LIES from The Pit of Hell!

In the same vein, we the Edos also have our own version - that the first king of Oyo was a Benin Prince. So you are correct in your history - am also absolutely correct in my history.

But remember, macof; these 'histories and stories' are mythologies. Unfortunately only you the Yorubas been making mouthful of them in Nigeria!

You Wrote: "...that's enough"

So your own historical concoctions are not funny? Or because you'd been tribally hoodwinked to believe them as 'stories from God Almighty' that cannot be (and must not be) challenged? Is it not funny that all you have as 'facts' are Yoruba folktales, folklore and mythologies? And you fervently bring these up to challenge another tribe; claiming yours is truth and others wrong?

All those words/names/titles (Obalesun, Obalara, Obalale, Obawinrin, Obaluru, Obalase, Obaloran, Obatala, Obaluaye) you are bringing up here are ALL modern creation to vanish the Benin origin of the title OBA.

Finally let me tell you an open truth: Until you Yorubas develop an open mind about ancient histories (especially the folklore, folktales and mythologies) that have no proof, and STOP your 'Yoruba SUPERIORITY' - am-more-correct-than-you-attitude - Nigeria will NEVER develop a true history we can collectively be proud of.

more jokes...are u a comedian?
Go ask ur uncles about Lord Oranmiyan and how he was sent to wipe ur asses if not for Ogiamen he would have succeeded in completely colonising u folks