₦airaland Forum

buygala:
Pastor Paul and Sister Anita when they were 'born again'....before they got carried away by the 'sins of the flesh' and the 'pride of life'


See as Paul hold Bible like person wey God dey speak to on per-second billing.... Now he holds silicone nyanshes and artificial boobsies



We, the Members of BAAN (Born again association of Nigeria) are still fervently praying for Brother Paul's deliverance from the claws of Baal

BROTHER PAUL AND SISTER ANITA, JESUS STILL LOVES YOU... DELIVER ALL YOUR WORLDLY RICHES UNTO ME, FOLLOW JESUS AND BECOME FISHERS OF MEN

Are you joking or wat?

almostFamous:
Would u blame the lady? I wouldn't! Even if it were chinese guys who came with the fake cards and then a japanese comes days after(u can't tell the diff btw a chinese and a japanese),I will react the same way the lady did.

are u high? Who in London doesn't know Samuel Eto'o?

bigfrancis21:
Calabar was Nigeria's first capital but I don't think it lasted too long to have any effect on Nigeria the way Lagos did. However, when I mentioned it in reference to Lagos, I meant a long-existing capital as Lagos experienced.

jst to be clear Lagos state was never capital of Nigeria...only the island was

barcanista:
Kabiyesi Sir, Oba Rilwan Akiolu has been campaigning for Ambode in Lagos.

He said, “In Ijebu here, it is not possible
for any Oba, not even only in Ijebu, in Yorubaland, to go out and say
vote for this, vote for that; that person is
looking for
trouble.

Oba Adeyemi of Oyo has also been campaigning for Apc

bigfrancis21:
The Bini King's (custodians of culture and tradition) folk lore story mentions being the progenitor of yoruba people. Thus 'Oba' might be of Bini origin. Their story version seems more plausible to me given the evidence such as edo-like names in Lagos such as 'Idumota'.

I would rather more readiliy accept their story than any other.

FYI: I don't hate Yorubas. My 2 close friends here in the US are Yorubas.

Smh
Truly you are hopeless when it comes to Nigerian history...no point arguing with you

GooseBaba:
Na you quote scriptures oh. That means to say, the coming of your god is evil. No worry the koboko wey we go take flog that evil dey dry for sun...

ladionline:
I'm afraid that my Igbo brothers will one day send you to the west. Tribalism is inevitable though, but it shouldn't be too apparent as if its a trophy. Knowledge is the principal thing. At the other thread, tribalism made the apparent so elusive, which is that, maybe the word Oyinbo/Oyibo is some of the 'common ancestral words' that has survived in the environ, but no one think in that direction, someone must win someone .

Lmao "

ladionline:
Most of us write like 'when politicians become historians' dangerously. Thank God for the few other guys that are umbiased, (like yourself and some other guys at other thread). I don't know where I belong either. The word 'OnyeOcha' rhymes with 'Osha' (Orisha) which is connected to Afin (Albino). 'Sa' is Yoruba equivalent of 'bo' which is when you lose pigmentatation. For instance, bo ra is bleach skin. It is plausible that Osha were Ocha, and that 'Ibo' of old have bleached skin.

Guy you totally misunderstood the idea behind Orisa.
you use it in such an unclear way like it's one figure/person in reference to Afin. It's Obatala (Orisa nla) that is specific to Afin not jst Orisa
And I doubt that ibo are the orisa of old

Thanks brother.

I want to tell u about this ese from a Babalawo I heard from TV

Ototo n'Ifa je
Ototo ni a n j'epa
Ototo ni a n so olu esunsun s'enu
Ohun toori ni je ti ori
Ohun toori ni to ori
Ohun toori la fi fun Obamakin lode Iranje

is this not the same obamakin that is osangangan? Surely it is. What is his relationship with Iranje?


9jacrip:

pazienza:
Where did you get the idea that Ndiigbo call the whites onye ocha only?

We call the white man different names, depending on the part of the part of Igboland you are from.

In my part, the Oyibo for white man is used differently from the Onye ocha.

For example, all things associated with Whites is referred as Oyibo, for example we say " obodo Oyibo " meaning the white man country, "Aki Oyibo" for Coconut, "Ego Oyibo" for foreign currency like dollar and paper money, Igbos were using cowries before the whites introduced paper and coins.

My grand mother sister, her name was " Okwu Oyibo", meaning the white man era, she was born during the time my town Ogidi first had contact with the whites.


Onyeocha is used to refer directly to a white man, while Oyibo, is used to refer to things connected with the white man. More like Spanish and Spaniard is used for Spain.

Oyibo is a very old Igbo word, in my part of Igbo land, for those in southern Igbo axis, "Bekee" took the place of "Oyibo", and central written Igbo chose Bekee over Oyibo.

One might as well settle for The words being native to the people, all of southern Nigeria plus Igala use a form of Oyinbo/Oyibo to refer to white people
I know Yorubas have always called light skinned people Oyinbo before even Europeans came along talkless interaction with the Igbos at the creation of Nigeria
If anything Igbos under Benin developed Oyibo from Ebo as the Edo called Europeans

Confused party. Instead of getting adults that can vote they go for children that don't have pvc

semitunde:


You quite annoyed me in your other post. This is more friendly and I will follow suit. I will also withdraw the caustic comment if you do yours. I'm not here to make enemies, it doesn't bring food to my table.

Back to your new accusation. Do you know the number of States I've been to by virtue of my work? I was tell the story of the igbo boy in Benue and some other Hausa guys in the north ( Bornu state actually), you think they are jokes or lies? No ore, that also doesn't also put food on my table. I've probably been to many note states than you have ever ventured going. Travelling is education and enlightenment. You aren't chating with someone seated in his state bro.

About verified or verifiable sources that you said you quote from. When did wikipedia become one if such? Yet you have quoted Wikipedia as if I cant create one and modify as I like.

Finally, I'm sold on the fact that you actually are the one the one that hasn't gone out of your domain. You may be educated, but not exposed, and I mean this not as an insult, many people are not exposed too.

Unless you are joking, you won't say I must be dark skinned since I'm Yoruba. You have allowed yourself to believe your own lies that most Igbo are light skin. Bunkum. Many Igbo are as dark or even darker than the Congolese. But then again what is in colour of skin that it becomes a status symbol? If Ojukwu had bleached would you have accepted him more?

Can you please tell me which states you have been to?

The guy believes if you are African and light skinned you must be Igbo as if only Igbo have different skin tone among them
You would see how the guy said Oyibo is "O yi ibo" because Europeans look like Igbos

bigfrancis21:
Your logic makes absolutely no sense without academic evidence, son. You can't sit in your bedroom and type false statements and expect everyone to believe you. Sorry, but whatever so-called civilization Oyo had never crossed the borders of the more mightier Edo kingdom to get to SE. The civilization whatsoever was checkmated by the greater Edo kingdom of the Niger Delta, which is more known worldwide than Oyo.

Why have you failed to furnish any academic exercise, even if it is half-baked to backup your claim? Why is that difficult for you??

. Nonsense from ur ass...try using ur head more and stop ur hate it's damn too obvious

ChristyG:
Ibos always claiming and famzing,yeye people..very soon they will tell us that joor,jare,oshey,abi are ibo words.ibo language is not even that influential sef.for yorubas to even borrow another language into theirs,it has to be one that is has close proximity to us or those who yorubas have been interacting with us for a long time,they are some words in yoruba that were coined from hausa language due to trading with them.how will yoruba now borrow words from ibos when we have little or no interaction except from when they started living in lagos.yorubas rarely live in iboland,we dont have historical ties together,and iboland is very far from us,so how will yoruba be borrowing words from ibo?oyinbo is a yoruba word,if u dont like it,go and jump into d lagoon.

Yoruba do have historical ties with Igbo.. going back 2000BC we must have been of one ethnic identity
But since the separation Yorubas have had next to nothing to do with Igbos

bigfrancis21:
Evidence so far proves 'Oyibo' is most likely the original word, being only pronounced as 'oyinbo' elsewhere. Further proof of this is the fact that asides south west, other tribes of Nigeria that have come to adopt the word all pronounce it 'oyibo'. The famous Nigerian mathematician, Gabriel Oyibo from Igala bears 'Oyibo' as surname. http://www.math.buffalo.edu/mad/PEEPS/oyibo_gabriela.html

The truth is words have spread between languages in Nigeria. Yoruba words like 'jare', 'oya', 'ni' etc. have spread into Nigerian pidgin English through the influence of the language in the music industry and Lagos being the economic nerve center of Nigeria (had Kano, Enugu or Calabar been in the position Lagos was, as former capital of Nigeria, Hausa, Igbo or Efik might have had more influence today), thus attracting people from all over Nigeria into the state, while Igbo words (especially in food) such as 'akamu', 'okro', 'nna', 'ogbono', 'dey' (I dey. 'dey' is said to be originated from Igbo 'di' in Jamaican Patois. i.e. Chidi = God dey, Chi di mma = God dey good, Nne di mma = Mama dey good, O di risky = E dey risky, etc. A word which is still used in Jamaican Patois till today - one of the legacies left behind by Igbo slaves who once walked on the plantations of Jamaica) have spread into Nigerian English and other languages via the dispersal tendencies of the Igbo outside Igboland, carrying their food and language along with them. No tribe in Nigeria today has a well-assorted dish menu well-known all over Nigeria as the Igbo. My mother and grandmothers taught me very well how to cook and I have had some of my non-Igbo friends approach me to learn my style of cooking, even here in the US.

At the end of the day, all it takes is simple humility to accept our differences and accord merit to whom it is due.

And so Igala must have copied it from Igbo?
Wat exactly does Oyibo mean, some say English language, Onye Ibo and many more..we have no agreement on the logic behind the word. Wat we know is Igbo calls white people Onye Ocha...as simple as that, no complication

Lagos state was never Nigeria's capital, only the Towns in the island, which the biggest is Eko(Lagos island, originally the only town known as Lagos) was. Calabar was capital too. Go learn history pls

bigfrancis21:
Correction, Edo people pronounce it the proper way = oyibo or ebo.

How many Edos have u heard saying Oyibo?
so Edo also copied from Igbos? Lol

bigfrancis21:
Nah. Trouble in Igbo is 'Nsogbu' and when speaking Igbo, Igbos use 'Nsogbu'. 'Wahala' doesn't even fit in Igbo language to start with. In Igbo we say, Nsogbu di (trouble dey) or Nsogbu adiro (trouble no dey). Wahala is only dominant in Pidgin English.

Yoruba is influential in Nigeria, no doubt, owing to the influence and position of Lagos and a great role it has played in Nigeria's economy.

@bold...if that is the case why is your brother finding it difficult to admit that 'Oyibo' might have been adopted by the Yoruba? It has become a de-facto trend of Yorubas that they must be the 'inventors' of any thing Nigerian common all over Nigeria, even when it is glaring that they are not but yet they find it difficult to admit they adopted from other cultures.

In order words Yoruba were so dumb that we didn't have a word for light skinned among us until Igbos came into Yorubaland in guise of Nigeria
We didn't pick "Ebo" from Edos since 13th century, it's Oyibo we would pick from Igbos in the 20th century
We didn't see any difference in Europeans and didn't have a word to describe them until 20th century

Lmao
Fact is Yoruba have not been influenced by Igbos in any way of linguistic, cultural or general ethnic identity.

bigfrancis21:
You keep making empty statements without backing them up with any evidence. In the world of academia, academic evidence is key to establishing early origins of words. Olaudah Ekweanuo of blessed memory left behind a wonderful biography detailing the Igbo people of 17th/18th century and left evidence of the usage of 'Oyibo' by the Igbo people as of that period. With no evidence proving the usage of the word by another west african tribe before the 17th century, then that word did most likely originate from Igbo.

Until you are able to furnish evidence supporting your claim, then it is mere wishful thinking.

I already spoke of Oyinbo-mefun in Ota established in the 14th century or early 1400s

Olaudah didn't write anything at 17th century he was born in the 18th century...why do u keep with moving his work 100yrs forward? such criminal intent you have


You came asking for books written in the 17th century by Yorubas with oyinbo knowing that there aren't any. 18th century Igbos under Bini used the word doesn't mean it originated from Igbo language
Igbos have been taking from Edos since the time of Oba Ewuare

Which brings me to the fact that the word "Oba" was first written to refer to the king of Bini doesn't make Oba originally an Edo word

If you can get past ur ethnic hatred for Yoruba(which is so obvious) you world realize words are first passed orally before they are written by those who got the chance...more so at a time when Southern Nigerians didn't write books
You expect the first use of the word on paper to denote origin of the word?
So Oba was first used only around 15th/16th century when the first Portuguese to do trade with Benin heard and wrote it?

It is not wishing thinking, it's using the "head" your ability of cognizance

Cherrywhite:
Realy?........
Hmmmm........



Am suspecting u bros!

Suspecting me sey wetin? You know I spoke the truth

Dump christianity and embrace paganism...embrace your ancestry, embrace your identity
These pastors will keep lying to you and killing your soul

Non-fulani Nigerians if you don't see to it that Buhari cries again on March 29, it's at the risk of your lives because these terrorists will come even stronger and there's nothing you can do about it

She's serving the community...that's how a lot of young ladies are now
No culture

Agbero trained by Tinubu...no right thinking person would do this

This is why APC should be kicked out of Lagos

Instead of APC to address the lies of Buhari they are busy talking about a man that isn't contesting with them

dunkem21:
Which deceit? The second Niger bridge project is on going. They are at the preliminary stages, though. I happen to know that the Govt is committed to this project. I cant say that for the dredging of the Niger.

That International airport in Enugu is a huge credit to GEJ.

Tell us what you will do for us, Buhari.

Let him even tell us what he has done
The man no get sense

Cherrywhite:
Ifa worshipper?...wat does Light and darkness av in common.?

light and dark complement each other
It's not rocket science

Btw Ifa is the best thing that ever happened to West Africa

jnrbayano:
The Almighty God knows there's another god (the devil) who doesn't stop at nothing to possessing the people he created in his image after his likeness.

Feeling resentful over evil is God's nature because he is all good. The kingdom of God (light) is always at war with the kingdom of Satan (darkness)

This satan is a boss. So much so that his kingdom is strong enough to give the kingdom of his creator trouble for over 6000years. Jehovah has created a mountain he cannot lift
Can God win this war? If he could he would have done so long ago, unless he doesn't care...he is probably like Emperor Palpatine in the star wars epic movies - playing leader of the bad guys at night and good guys by day

9jacrip:
Though it makes no sense to debate who named the white man but in actual Yoruba it is Oyibo not Oyinbo.

Oyi in Yoruba = cold wind/breeze

Bo = peel/fade/scratch/whiten/lighten

Combine the above and you'd have the answer.

@ bigfrancis21 and Macof

Oyi?
Growing up we called cold breeze Oye

bigfrancis21:
Honey + peel utterly makes no sense whatsoever. If we should go by meaning, oyiibo in Igbo might mean 'looks like a [red] ibo', (o yi ibo) probably used to refer to a European who looks like a light-skinned Igbo.

To buttress your claim, furnish evidence that proves Yoruba invented the word and were using it prior to the 17th century.

http://www.mynewswatchtimesng.com/confab-must-remove-punitive-measures-igbos-oyibo-thompson/

But why do u keep trying to use English to make sense out of another language?

Oyin + bo makes perfect sense to anybody that speaks Yoruba, there's no other way of saying it

that's a recent idea you just made up, no people would refer to foreigners the same name they call themselves
And you really need to stop acting like Igbo are people of light skin. Most Igbos are black and only few have "peeled skin" like you have all around southern Nigeria. Difference is Igbos have more compared to their neighbors.
There's no way "o yi ibo"(looks like Ibo) would have been used to refer to Europeans when most Igbos are black and look more like their neighbours than anything from outside sub-Saharan Africa

Onye Ocha is what everybody knows Igbo speakers call Europeans and Light skinned Negros
Just like Yoruba have only word for that which is Oyinbo
You want to say Yorubas didn't know what light skin is before 20th century?

Olaudah said his people were subjects of Bini, Bini call Europeans Oyinbo too, but mostly Ebo
Which could be rendered by Igbos subjects as "O yi Ebo" to refer to the light skinned among them
So it's no surprise Anioma and Anambra people say Oyibo

It could also have spread by Olukumi people in Aniocha delta

U keep saying 17th century, where's the record Igbos used it by that time. The man u quoted from was a slave who's account especially in terms of names and terms were not rendered properly. More so it was in the 18th century nt 17th century

9jacrip:
I typed a lengthy response but I mistakenly closed browser and lost it but I'll attempt a summary.

BabaYeye is one of Orisa Nla's numerous names.

No, Osangangan is another person's (Obamakin) name.

Yes, I do know the Oriki/Chant well.

Obalesun is the name Obatala was called when he got drunk off palm wine and slept - ara orun were amazed and said 'Oba le sun' (Ife accent/intonation) - so the king can sleep/so the king sleeps/so the king could sleep.

This became an appellation for the person standing in place of Obatala whose is regarded as Obalesun just as Araba is used to refer to the representative of Orunmila. So Obalesun was not a title for Obatala, he was regarded as Obatala, Orisa Nla, BabaYeye, Obataasa - makes sense?


Idita is a nomenclature used to encompass the entire lineage of Olorisa. Iranje is/was a town both of which Obatala is/was the head.


In Idita, there are two lines. The Ilesun (descendants) and Ilale (the slaves killed for sacrifices back then and non descendants). Only the Ilesun (blood descents) can be Obalesun and every house titles while the Ilale could only become Obalale - second to Obalesun (the max for them) and some selective titles.

Note: an Ilesun could also be an Obalale.

The idita is a encompassing term for all lines of the family (descendants) with each 'oba' heading an 'eku'

Obalesun - paramount head of idita.
Obanurin
Obalepon
Bale
Orisagbuyin
Obaluru
Orisawusi
Leemo

Etc

There are others -- some of these were names of other Obatala's children who started the family. Asides Olufon who moved to another quarters in Ife to start his line then later moved to Ifon close Osogbo to found the town.

In Yoruba towns, Obatala his called different names and worshipped differently but many worship his offsprings same way they worship him - like Ifon is worshipped but with slight differences/taboos.

So if you find something different in your town, it is as a result of that or environmental factors.

Between there's Itapa street or area in Ekiti.

Pardon the grammartical gbagauns in between

can u explain more on the bold part
Is Idita not a single town and Iranje another town?
Most of Obatala's praises you would hear something like "Abi lode ugbo o lo j'oba lode Iranje" and it seems there are occasions that Obalale and Obaluru are identified with Iranje
And then you say Idita is jst a nomenclature for all compounds where Obatala descendants are...including Iranje? And maybe Ifon and Ife-ijebu outside Ile-Ife since he has descendants there too

Btw is this the [url=http//en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Prince_Ademola]Ifon[/url] you are referring to? You should also note that the link states that Obatala ruled Ife before and after oduduwa

Am jst trying understand Obatala's personality better cus there are so many aspects of Yoruba that ultimately point to him, I noticed he is known by names in some towns Unknown to other towns like am sure Ife don't call him Olu-iwaye (I used to think this was oduduwa), Obatakuntakun, Orisa Olufon = closely related to Obalufon

pkjag:
Actually coming from a black man, Einstein was a jew, you can see from his pictures that his hair isn't blonde, like the typical caucasians. Please do some research first before displaying your hateful racial sentiments!

Well you are right about that but when I made the statement I meant actual Jews of the Hebrew civilization

bigfrancis21:
How does honey + peel make any useful meaning to you? Just because you're trying to concoct a meaning out of the word that coincidentally means something else in Yoruba doesn't make it originating from south west. Just as, " 'Obasanjo' means 'he spreadeth evil' (O basa njo) in Igbo doesn't mean the name is 'Igbo'. Or just as Oduduwa coincidentally means 'leader of the people of the world' (odu = leader, du/ndu/ndi = people, uwa = world) in Igbo, therefore I should claim the name and the legendary (unverifiable) man as Igbo coming from the South East. Yoruba legend has it that 'he fell from the sky' out of nowhere, which is symbolic to mean that he came from outside ancient Yoruba territory, which may have been Igboland. Since science proves that nobody is able to 'fall from nowhere', definitely not from the sky (), thus Odundiuwa (an Igbo man. Corrupted to 'Oduduwa' as usual) must have migrated from somewhere to Yorubaland, which is from the South East. Afterall, legendary Ife folk lore holds it that an ancient people called 'Igbo' (which modern Yoruba authors render as 'bush' people) inhabited the Yoruba closely during the times of yore and its people raided and constantly terrorized the people of Ife (or whichever people it was) until Moremi exposed their secrets. A surviving Yoruba legend which proves the ancient Igbo-Oduduwa connection.

Records have it that the Igbo have been using the word as at early as 16th century or even beyond, before the slave trade era. Till today, the word is still used in Igboland and all over Nigeria. Asides Yoruba land where it is 'Oyinbo', it is 'Oyibo' elsewhere. I've asked you before to furnish verifiable evidence of 'oyinbo' usage in ancient Yorubaland. You failed to do that. Thus, you have no basis for your wanton claim. Oh, that reminds me, an Igbo man was the first Nigerian to write a book (biography). No Yoruba wrote a book before him. How would you provide evidence anyway.

At the point Olaudah wrote his book, he mentioned the word as what his people (who had barely and outside influence with any non-Igbo speaking element. Mind you, he was from Isseke in modern-day Anambra state) referred to a light-skinned person. No, he didn't learn that word after he was sold into slavery and 'encountered' Yoruba-speaking slaves who 'taught' him the word () which suddenly made him to go back in time to before he was kidnapped to mention that his people, not him, used 'oyibo' to refer to light-skinned.

I'm glad you provided the Yoruba equivalent for Okro, Ogbono, Agidi, etc which are growing less and less in usage and substituted by Okro, Ogbono, Agidi etc. from Igbo language. You've furthermore proven Okro, Ogbono, Agidi etc are Igbo words, often used in Yorubaland today.

More jokes..I don't know why u expect English sentence structure to make sense out of Yoruba
Let me explain it the way little kids will understand
"oyin" is a noun. "bo" is a verb. No object followup necessary. [I don't know Igbo much but I expect it to have similar sentence structure...if nt identical]
Yoruba will say Oyinbo = honey peels her/him/it

Oh well you can claim Oduduwa and the Ugbo-Ilaje people all you want, you'll jst be giving the impression that you are a mad man

we have Oyinbo-mefun in Ota, Ogun state. Ota origins is recorded to have been around 1400AD
"efun" is white chalk. You see all the connections?

Lemme tell you the origins of the name are stated in Ogunda Meji and are closely related to Ogun


jst because there are no books before Olaudah making use of the word Oyinbo in all it's variants doesn't mean it's an original Igbo word
Oyibo doesn't even make sense in Igbo language and cannot be broken down to make sense...people have tried and failed
There are no places called oyibo


I jst told u nobody calls them that in Yoruba. Stop trying to force it into Yoruba language
Nobody calls them that! I already gave you the Yoruba names to prove u wrong but you insist on slander