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Amujale:
That makes a huge amount of difference.

The people who ran a slavetrade, stole, confiscated, pillaged, desecrated, raped and exploited the continent are by right disqualified from writing our history, thats simple common sense logic.

Yes, it does matter dur to the fact they would have an ulterior motive

Nothing disqualifies a scholar from researching and reporting the conclusion of his research.

If there is a problem with the research, scrutiny would reveal it.
You don't overlook the work and attack the person.

Such mentality can hurt you too because people can say well you aren't Egyptian don't talk about Egypt

Amujale:
Once we start to classify African languages as being Afro-asiatic, then that unfortunately takes us out of the necessary point of study.

Civilisation moved up the Nile.

Civilisation didnt move downwards.

civilization moved up the Nile, true, but it doesn't negate the fact that the language belongs to a language group that evolved separately from Niger-Congo languages.

Afro-asiatic still originated within Africa so what exactly is the problem my man

The implication is that Africans must have spread an early form of an Afro-asiatic language to the middle east where the people there adopted the language which would later develop into the proto-semitic or perhaps proto-semitic was already spoken in Africa and carried to the people in the middle east

It doesn't take us out of the study at all, rather the study begins with us

Amujale:
Perhaps the most mportant point to note is that the language classification of African languages wasnt created by Africans.

I hope we can all agree on the above statement.

And so? What has that to do with the linguistic accuracy or inaccuracy of the language classification?

Do we say that you as a Yoruba (I assume you are Yoruba) must be inaccurate of anything you say about non yorubas no matter how hard you study?

Amujale:
Who says the Ancient Egyptian language is Afro-asiatic?

That is only claimed by foreigners who seek to deny the fact the Egypt is African.

In what way does "claiming" Egyptian language is Afro-asiatic deny the people being African?

Most Afro-asiatic languages are spoken within Africa and by black Africans. Also the language group originates around the blue nile in Ethiopia

So how does Ancient Egyptian being an Afro-asiatic language affect the people being African?

Amujale:
If i spoke Yoruba?

Hahaha very funny.

Nje emi le speak Yoruba bi?

I know you arent disputing my credentials, just thought it necessary to reinforce my stand.

Anyways, one can learn to read and transliterate the Metu Neter.

There are many ways to accomplish such actions, i learnt the quickest way from the conscious community.

Assumung you are looking to learn as well, i can connect you with a sound tutor.

Now back to Obenga, yes some of his Yoruba translations werent accurate, however, he's not the one who constructed the proof i present to the thread, i did.

Furthermore, his work on Kemit is without dispute.

I would stick my scholastic neck out and say he's one of the world's leading scholars partaining to the study of Kemitic linguistics and how it relates to other African languages.

Yes, the Metu Neter is 100% African.

it was just a question besides one can never know on a faceless forum.

Hmm. Conscious community.
These African American "conscious" guys can be funny though, I have experience with them. I for one can only advise to scrutinize your teachings from them, examine the variables and implications of what they say and if it is consistent with reality and known facts


Obenga is indeed a popular proponent of the African identity of ancient Egyptians and even without him I am convinced that the ancient Egyptian identity is most significantly African.
But his work doesn't do a good job at using other African languages. One thing that we must remember is that the ancient Egyptian language is an Afro-asiatic language but he compares this language using words that he believes to be cognates from Niger-Congo languages

Also my trust for his expertise is very little as the Yoruba words he uses either don't exist or don't mean what he says they do

Amujale:
Its important to note that i totally agree with you on these pointers.

im confused
Did you misunderstand my comment before?

Amujale:
..

Where did you read such submission in this thread?

Kindly point to me where on this thread you get such submissions.

These are the submissions i provide here, are you contesting any of these?

So you didn't read this link before posting it? I got it from here

‘’Ancient Egyptian and Modern Yoruba : Phonetic Regularity’’ authored by Théophile Obenga.

http://www.ankhonline.com/ankh_num_16/ankh_16_t_obenga_ancient%20egyptian%20and%20modern%20yoruba.pdf


And my post was clear enough actually

absoluteSuccess:
You have been proven wrong many times a long time ago, but you are a self acclaimed "fact merchant". Whatever you state here Is the fact.

All hail the demigod, you are an oracle born, you saw everything you stated from your mother's womb. Facts followed you to this world.

Macof's Facts file

It's a fact that your academic status is in fact inconsequential. By that token, you are an inconsequential historian, that's the implication of one of your facts.

Everything you know comes from here. No idea who Robin Law is, no idea what he said about Oduduwa, no idea whom Professor Biobaku is, no idea his connection with Awo. And you are an historian, a Yoruba? LOL.

What is the fact in imagined green Sahara?
What is the fact in blackwashed the Bible?
What is the fact in Odiyan is not Odion?
What is the fact in your own findings?
What is the fact in oriki Eletu Odibo?
What is the fact in your Proper History
What is the fact in Igbo Yoruba history?
What is the fact in professor Akintoye's?
What is the fact in your only identity?
What is the fact in your education?
What is the fact in your own oriki?
What is the fact in your coffers?

These are the best things you contributed here, none of it is automatic, self motivated ideas but reactionary diversion, something to anchor your argument around but nothing to continue with.

These list would help you in the course of your research on the origin of the name Yoruba that's your future ambition across West Africa. I wish you good speed and good luck on your search.

Your future ambition is evidence that you already have all the facts, you just want to have fun, or you are a liar without direction pretending to be something you never was, to block the way of who will.

You are a mere stumbling block. Just answer yes and continue in your grandiose delution.

More rants of a frustrated dog

Everything here I have addressed in previous pages. I will not do another back and forth

For you knowledge and life is not progressive but to keep running helter-skelter, back and forth.

Do one simple thing... Debunk any of my points as I have debunked most of yours (the ones I didn't debunk I just decided to ignore)

donnie:
Learn to at least tolerate the truth cos it ain't going nowhere. Oloriburuku.

Anybody can call any nonsense truth doesn't make it truth
You are out of your league and area of expertis

Everyone knows who the low life unfortunate rabid dog is here so that "oloriburuku" is reserved for you

FrLukas:
I really don't see the connection between the word Samuel and Orisa.

Samuel can be broken down into its component phrases Samu-El El meaning God.

Same with Rapha-El, Micha-El, etc.

That connection you point to doesn't exist.

LOL. There is no connection between any of the Yoruba words these people try to link with names from the Bible

FrLukas:
I don't think the Yorubas have any connection with the Jews.

Rather I think we have a more direct connection with Ancient Egypt called Kemet.

Note that I said ANCIENT Egypt.

Apart from the many connections that have been hashed out in scientific and historical papers, there's one that strikes me the most.

That's the issue of kingship.

Ancient Egypt until a few millennia ago had god-kings. The belief that the king was a god was a prominent belief of the ancient Egyptians until a few centuries ago.

The same belief is still prominent in Yoruba custom and practices as the king is regarded as a god, Èkejì Òrìṣà.

The crown of an ancient Pharaoh that covers his face is very identical to the crown that the Obas in Yorubaland wear that has beads in front that covers their faces.

The reason for hiding their faces is so that mere mortals do not dare to gaze on the countenance of a god.

Just my humble opinion. I stand to be corrected.

What Egyptian Crown covers the Pharaoh's face?

You have more information on this crown?

absoluteSuccess:
Deceptive rhetorics

If your academic status is in fact inconsequential, and that comes from you, then your claims all along are inconsequential because they were at most, plagiarism.

Asking me to debunk you is expecting me to do a folly job that is your hallmark. You are to lurk in the dark, bark and bite like a dog. I am to be the reason you bark.

I never asked you for your academic status, I am testing your offline knowledge of Yoruba history, Robin Law and other Yoruba historians to be sure it's not all you are fed here that makes you an "historian".



There should be source to your claims except you are an eye witness to your claims. Try not to paraphrased yourself out of context, the post is still available on this thread.

As usual, here you are trying to dudge from answering questions or validate your failed conclusion as I've predicted. You are pushing a dogma that you have no idea how it works. You pride yourself in dogma.



A scientific piece can be debunked, but a dogma nobody can ever debunk because you can't possibly prove it to be wrong or right scientifically. You just have to agree with it or be scolded severely.

When you remember the last time you are scolded, or the hell that await your next rebuttal, you will keep in line and never tryna do distrupt the apple pie order of the "status quo". That's the validation of dogma: indestructible.



Because you are not original in any of your claims, you are neither reading nor learning but lurking around. Hence nothing new is expected of you other than the usual. This thread is where you learn all you know.

There should be other historians with variant claim to yours, if you do research. You have to strike a balance and speak for them. Scholarship is when you entertain contrary opinion to your position.



I can show you a thread I made for the etymology of the eponymous name Igbo back in 2013 or so, which you stopped with your perfect hatred and registered this account to pretend to be Yoruba.

Hence, you are not honest about Yoruba Igbo or Edo connection of any sort, only passing remarks to feed your confidence in the context, in order to do what you must. The kwa is a means to an end.

You are an Igbo man. The truth is evidence in your clipback at Obalufon about the hatred the Igbo have for the Yoruba. You exhumed the same hatred at the very heat of the moment.

To me, that's the moment of truth that betrayed you or whatever you stand for. Your science is without humanity, you couldn't use the opportunity that his moment of honest truth offer you to foster love, harmony and scholarship.

You have nothing you are searching for other than hurt for the Yoruba ego because it means nothing to you. You are an insidious enemy pretending to be friend.

You cherish the package than what it contains. You are empty, insult is what you improvise to stay relevant and escape scrutiny. But it won't do everything for you.



This is the entirety of your purpose on this thread, it's all you want to get done at all cost.



Cite a source to your claim about owo and ego, oruka and olaaka, etc, as shown in the picture below, from the same book you copied the input in question.

Use the same opening to butress kwa linguistic family a bit as did this writer. I think you claim back then that I don't read. You that read should know better how things work in this regard.

In all this long rants the only thing that is clear is that you cannot debunk any of my points.

Again I will tell you why... Because I state facts, evidence based facts

No need for long rants if I wasn't stating facts, I would have been proven wrong a long time ago

Keep running helter-skelter

donnie:
Look at this is idiot. So you don't know Africa is a continent housing many nations? My being Semetic is a fact and of true history. It's you who is too brianwashed and afraid to even imagine the truth.



Of course idiots like you will believe the tales that your first ancestor fell from heaven and landed in your village. As with Yorubas, same with Igbos etc they all dropped from the sky. Perhaps that's the "science" you were taught. Òde.

Only Hausas seem to have some accurate history because the Arabs gave it to them. Christian missionaries came and destroyed the remaining sense your ancestors had using gin and mirrors.

Lmao. Acted like a thorough rabid dog and made zero sense in the process

donnie:
I know the region where whites say the Bantus originated from (between Cross River and Cameroon) very well. That's a lie and meant to mislead. The Bantu migration was actually in the opposite direction, through Nubia/Ethiopia to Central and Southern Africa. There were however much earlier migrations to the region between Nigeria and Cameroon thousands of years before the Bantu migration.

Even those of West Africa also migrated through Egypt/ Nubia but through the Sudan, Chad etc. Others from Morocco. And others were shipped down there from Spain and Portugal.

These are all Ancient biblical ISRAELITES.

You deluded semitic wannabes often like to credit "white people" for too much. Any historical information that puts Black Africans as native Africans you declare "lies of the white man"

If I say my history as passed orally in my culture, fools like you will still say "so says white man".
History is a science not a game of someome says nor a race war

You lot need psychiatric treatments

Amujale:
Another good read is ‘’Ancient Egyptian and Modern Yoruba : Phonetic Regularity’’ authored by Théophile Obenga.

http://www.ankhonline.com/ankh_num_16/ankh_16_t_obenga_ancient%20egyptian%20and%20modern%20yoruba.pdf

If you spoke Yoruba you would know that Obenga 's work is filled with flawed Yoruba translations
I wonder if he gave flawed translations for the Egyptian words too

EG. "ni" does not mean "exit" in Yorùbá
"bùsi" does not mean "to bless", "bose" does not mean "secretly", "busa" does not mean "to honor". "ama" is a loan word from hausa, so that doesn't count.
And more

Also i was hoping you would provide an independent egyptian dictionary that confirms this particular list you shared ealier

Amujale:
Linguistic Similarities:

According to the semiotician Ferdinand de Sausurre in his 1972 book called General History of Africa, the surest way to prove a cultural contact between peoples is to adduce linguistic evidence.

In what is commonly known as the Saussure theory.

Identical/Similarities between Yoruba and Ancient Egypt/Kush.

ℹ Mi (to breath) - Mi (to breathe)

ℹBi (to become) - Bi (to become)

ℹOmi (Water) - Omi (water)

ℹOdo (river) - Do (river)

ℹTa (spread out) - Ta (spread out)

ℹTan (complete) - Tan (complete)

ℹOkan (one) - Kan (one)

ℹKumo (club) - Kum (club)

ℹEre (python) - Ere(python)

ℹFa (pull) - Fa (carry)

ℹOruwo (head) - Horuw (head)

ℹWu (rise) - Wu (rise)


There are over 100 identical words that have the exact same meaning in Yoruba as is present in the Ancient Egyptian/Kush dialects.

gregyboy:
Stop fooling yourself the story of benin-ife emerged after 1914 except you want to prove me wrong with proved dating from 15c to 1913

If you cant shut your trap oba has been the title of benin
The title ogiso is a mystical tales told by the benins to make their royalty divine there was never an ogiso... But oba

That is the kinglist taking by Roupell's 1899 a year after benin was invaded the king list never included oromiyan neither did Roupell's mentioned it in his book, after 1930s talbot took is own kinglist and included oromiyan, esekhure took is kinglist and absconded oromiyan

Bro our king never came ife stop priding your self
Ill gotten history

Since the whole "Ekaladeran is oduduwa" or "oduduwa is a Bini Prince" isn't catching on anymore, the new political history and revisionism is that the Ọmọnọba is not even connected to oduduwa at all

Funny miscreants

absoluteSuccess:
They are so many, professor Google Gbamila. But I will remind you just few and recent ones.

1. You asked for the hieroglyphs that a Yoruba man can understand: this question is two edged sword, it question your intellect as a man claiming to be an historian:

As an historian, if you are to come across an antique object in the field, e g an ancient orthography, would you understand it's meaning at a glance? Your question is saying "yes I will".

For instance, can an illiterate Yoruba understand Yoruba grammar at a glance? In that sense, you lack understanding of how to gain cognizance of artifacts in their pristine form. Work on this.

2. You recently claim that Obalufon has blackwashed the Bible by echoing the statement credited to Nasser, equally shared by Cheik Anta Diop when he claimed Hebrew were blacks.

But your counter argument is not new. This is a reminder of your imaginary Green Sahara dichotomy of the human race. You have this to counter everything Egypt, from lawani to Olu and turn it over to me eventually.

If Obalufon has blackwashed the Bible, did he equally travel back in time to paint the picture of the Greek satyr to depict the races as they were in the Roman empire?

Now the black people in the picture shows that black folks were still very powerful in the Roman empire. Your green Sahara is in trouble: I expect you to reverse to accommodate or discard them altogether.

Shakespeare's Orthello should haunt you. You simply have no clue what the heck the ancient races in the near East was and never ready to change. So, are you an historian?

3. Questioning me about Robin Law on Oyo empire and Oduduwa history exposes you as a fake. You don't know about Yoruba scholarship outside the internet.

Then you have read no history of the Yoruba save the free version of the History of the Yorubas. If you have, what's the relationship between Awo and Saburi biobaku?

4. I have claim Oduduwa ateworo means Oduduwa escaped the law that could have convicted her, you said no, the word means Oduduwa descended from heaven with a chain.

Here you are citing Samuel Johnson, yet you always claim the book is this or that. Why robbing Peter to pay Paul? Why quote the work you love to condemn?

5. Oduduwa ateworo is a test of your ability to be truthful. But you aren't. If ewon is a chain, it corroborate my claim and exposes you as charlatan.

You regurgitate tradition without understanding the underlying secret and never ready to learn but to burst a fake. What does chain connotes to you if you are Yoruba? imprisonment.

6. You are recently claiming that oruka and olaaka, owo and ego etc are your validation of Yoruba Igbo common origin: how do you make common history from this? Can history flow from this?

Meanwhile, ewon is a cognate with Hebrew awon, meaning "punishment". If so, this new light validate my claim that Oduduwa beat a penal code that should have convicted her.

Figuratively, if someone is in chain or in police net, isn't that a state of dilemma? Oduduwa was in this situation at a time, because she's a historical figure, she could land in trouble.

The almighty Ogunmola was equally captured and fed with ashes. It earned him the sobriquet, ajeeru-maku Great heroes have their trying times too, it's not always rosy for human icons.

But you are not a good thinker, hence everything must come out rosy. The same applies to Odiyan: someone from Esan told me it used to be "owohan" instead of "Akhere". I couldn't believe it.

Bible said that the second child revealed his hand first by holding his brother's heel, hence he's called Jacob, "òwó han" in Yoruba language means "hand turn out".

The implication of this is that you can't hold someone's heel without your hand turning out. This insight are the feeds that further establish my claim against your empty wailing.

You have lots of thrash that I can return back to you, but let me stop here.

I asked you to debunk any of my points raised here not rant and throw more personal attacks at me and my academic status. Whether I am a real historian or not is in fact inconsequential, focus on the points not the person making it.

The truth is you cannot debunk what is evidently a fact of its own. When I say the sahara was once green or highlight consonant sound changes between Kwa languages.. those are facts not mere claims and facts cannot be debunked.
On the other hand I have debunked your claims, so many of them and so many more that I just laugh over and ignore

I am not going to do another round of back and forth over the same issues addressed in previous pages of this same thread.

The conclusion of this thread given all the points raised is that you cannot debunk the points that suggest Yoruba are a native West African people with common origin with her neighbours.
While I have debunked your points suggesting Yoruba are semitic.

All that remains is for you to run helter-skelter trying to pick up your pieces and save face

Obalufon:
Just tell me your own ancestors are Congolese or Naija Congo so i will know you are among the animals my Yoruba ancestors are talking about .. Semitic or semolina claim atleast they are giving enough evidences to buttress their claim ,All you do here is trying to link us up with bunch of monkeys, the research one useless white man did over 100years ago , Get it in to your thick skull Mr =Macof Yorubas aren't Niger Congo , We have lot of cultural similarities with Hebrew ..Why is is hard for you to believe we are from the east .is about our colour ?

Nope, Yoruba ancestors are not Congolese. Nobody is saying Yoruba are Congolese mumu. I have to tell you this a million times over what a dense fellow

im waiting for you to do two things
1. highlight said evidence provided for Yoruba being semitic
2. debunk any of the points I have raised eg. The consonant sound change between Volta Niger languages of which Yoruba, Edo and Igbo belong; Genetic analysis showing that the Yoruba share identical y-dna (paternal lineage) with Igbo, Ga, Ewe and other groups of the lower Guinea region

All you are doing here is ranting and crying mr. Semitic Semolina
Whether you like it or not, Yoruba are original West Africans who share common origin with her neighbours

absoluteSuccess:
Yoruba is your only identity: hence you have no pedegree. "I'm Yoruba", that's your only identity, no more no less. You have no trace of tradition connecting you to our discussion.

Your ancestors are not the target of this research bro. Stop trying to force yourself on us, get outta here...

Since you are always at variant with yourself, how would one know which ancestors is yours of the Yoruba stock?

The one that sultan Bello's work precludes or the Niger Congo linguistic family proper implies?

The bolded: what point? Olodo generation: you have knowledge but lack understanding, you copied techniques and failed to put the knowledge to right use.

Go back and study cognates bro.

Fake historian.

I'm waiting for you to debunk any information I have given here.
As I have dealt your nonsense heavy blows

Wtf77:
1) French is my first language
2) I have studied in France from primary school to masters degree.
3) I write books in French
4) I teach high school students in France


Look, this is just an other proof of the fact you tao11 are a liar and an ignorant full of assumption person.
Talking to you is useless.

You are never accountable for anything you say, the responsibility is always upon the shoulders of other people. You are just like a photocopier coupled with a liar.
You make a claim and when asked to prove, you direct your fingers at someone whom doesn't exist or is unavailable.

You are clearly a kid playing adult.
And this is my last reply to you and your lack of common sense and logics.
You are trolling and deserve to be ignored.

Will you keep the hell quiet about being in france
Nobody ask you
Many people here are abroad and nobody is bragging or looking for some kind of ass licking for that. It's apparent that being in France is the only "achievement" you have so you keep trying to chip it in fvcking gtfoh

I told you that you are a fake edo without any upbringing in the culture and hence you have no knowledge of its history
You are exposing it yourself

Obalufon:
You call it hateful .....we have two class or groups of black people in Nigeria some migrated from the southern forest of African passing through Cameroon they escaped pygmism and the northern group that moved south due to desertification of Sahara Savannah Sahara desert was once flourish region.. Archaeologists and historians found art drawing on caves and ruins depicting once flourish region , men on horses and chariots, game hunting and taming of beast of burden...I made it clear that cushite Nubian empire stretched to present day chad region . .i'm not claiming Hebrew but i believe there was a contact with evidence given by scholars here

A contact is not what this thread was about. Claiming Yoruba are not Africans but of semitic origin was

Don't be silly

BTW. It would be lovely for you to present said evidence
And did you just call dimwits without any education scholars??
Wetin we no go see

absoluteSuccess:
See pain...

Can you stop forcing people to your convictions with your fire and brimstone empty erudition?

You claim knowledge but lack understanding of how the same knowledge you alluded to works, regurgitating everything you pick up online for the upteenth time to silence the same idea.

He's (Obalufon) come to the knowledge of the truth and hold his convictions na, abi na by force to agree with you?

At least, he once agreed with you but eventually abandoned you and your empty but fearful and lousy claims void of intelligence but cleverness.

Stop the bullying, he's learned enough to make intellectual choices and has right to his biases just as you do the Hebrew.

Put "Hebrew" in the place of Igbo, you can see you have nothing special in your claim than the same claim Obalufon has. You are thus the dimwit not to have seen this.

Little pharaoh, let my people go abeg.

You don't go around embarrassing yourself claiming you are doing what my ancestors did. Unless your ancestors are not yoruba, after all we can't say with you clowns who claim Yoruba but claim Hebrew at the same time

I'm still waiting for your born to be foolish self to debunk a single point I have raised. When you do that you get to talk to me

Obalufon:
i'm reflection of my ancestors with their norms and values ..The path they tread i will also take ..You can't merge me with bunch of monkeys ..These people you are trying to merge us with hate us Yoruba with passion ,you never ask yourself why you people hate us so much

Will you keep quiet. What ancestors? You who are a lost soul with no knowledge or connection to his ancestry
Wannabe Hebrew

And nobody is trying to merge anybody with anybody you dimwit.
Yoruba and her neighbors share common origin is not the same as saying Yoruba are Igbos
Damned retard

Amujale:
Yes, yes and yes.

Can you provide them?

Beelion:
May God forgive you for this because you don't know what you are saying. The Holy Spirit exist, He is the Spirit of God!

I know what I am saying.

There's nothing like holy spirit

Lol is God not a spirit again?

gregyboy:
Can you prove our oba is yoruba

Where did I mention that in the post you are replying to?
Anyway I don't need to answer your question
You yourself know the origin of your oba. So come off it

illicit:
Hmmm well I am not an historian per se.

I am Yoruba and a linguist.


I believe in Evolution than any creation story as well

These clowns are just obsessed with semitic people of the middle east. It's an imaginary based narrative nothing more

They are well aware of their lack of valuable content, its just they can't help but wish to be Hebrew, more especially to be descendants of Abraham

https://www.nairaland.com/4475313/yoruba-hebrew-heritage/77
I have dealt their nonsense charade a heavy blow on this thread

Wtf77:
You the Yoruba whom I exposed as being a pathological liar. You are still talking ? And now you want to tell me who I am and what my traditions are ?
Wonders shall never cease !
There is something wrong in your brain.
It is you the Yoruba who keep attacking us Edo by claiming all sorts of nonsense.
And making up all sorts of lies.
When we reply with proof, you claim we are attacking Yoruba.
Laughable.

Stop crying small boy.
I said what I said and it is the absolute truth. You are a fake Bini who doesn't even know his traditions

I'm sure you don't even know your family salutation but you are here acting proud Bini riding on that to hate on the Yoruba
You are too daft to even know your family history talkless of the Ọmọnọba's history

Which proof have you replied with? this guy is too daft
Your so called proof that defeats your argument?

You mean this?

Wtf77:
Just to recap, here is the fake translation of macof coupled with foul language and all sorts of lies:



Here is the actual translation:

"Captain Horsley called it Eco, and that is how the yebous refer to it; but it is not their land: it belongs to Benin, whom have named it Korame, you can recognise the Curamo from older Portuguese reports, just like Eko represents the Ichoo from Holland Hydrographs. Long ago Korame was linked to its metropolis by a very narrow piece of land contained between the great Laguna and the sea; but it has been a while since the Yebous have seazed that very narrow peace of land of which the eastern extremity was invaded by ouyo pirates; and Karamé remained isolated at the extremity of the great Laguna, while it continues to receive from Benin it's governor or political chief."

Wtf77:
One last time the Oba of Benin, Omo n'Oba n'Edo is not a Yoruba. And you know it, you proven pathological liar !

In some previous comments you claim I am a fake Edo, now you claim I am an Edo cursing my "traditional ruler"
Basically you even contradict yourself.

Ogiso is a mythical name created in a fairytale !
Ogiamien is a family of backstabbing bastards whom are allied with you the lying yoruba. You are just trying your luck at reverse psychology.

"You are a fake Bini " meaning you do not identify with Bini in truth. You only latch to it to attack Yoruba
You don't even know your traditions or respect your institutions

Wtf77:
Ogiamien family is a known family of bastards and backstabbing traitors who will one day face the hanger and Fury of the Edo people.
The disrespect and conniving which comes from that family comes with a price to pay, and you nevday the tax collectors will visit them.

Quite basically, the ogiamien are Yoruba attempt at Manchurian politics in Edo traditions.
Basically, you have this:

1) ogiamien claim the Yoruba claim (a bunch of fairytales) is right and proceed to claim the ogiamien are the ogiso (a fictional title from s fairytale)

2) the Yoruba claim the ogiamien are right and are the ogiso.

Each one pad's the other ones back and quotes the other one.
Problem is, people are not dumb enough to fall for this simple crooked trick.

Lol. Look at Bini youths cursing their first rulers the Ogiso and their descendants the Ogiamien in favor of our Yoruba son the Ọmọnọba
Even the Ọmọnọba knows where his ancestors came from

Christistruth00:
Oduduwa came from Arabia he was a Prince driven out by the 7th Century Jihads there even the Ooni said so last year. His. Brothers were ancestors of the Kanuri,Jukun , Gobir Hausa and Borgu go and read their History their founding Fathers came from Arabia.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kisra_legend

That has no basis in Yorùbá traditions.
That is a sahelian tale Muslim preachers loved to spread around Yorùbáland especially in Oyo to promote conversion

It takes someone very ignorant to take this Arabian nonsense seriously

Etinosa1234:
macof 900winer is this true...

I'm surprised

No. Oduduwa according to our traditions is a pure Yoruba man
Atigba can be excused for not knowing this before he is an ogiso descendant not connected to oduduwa

My own concern is that you should stop saying oduduwa is connected to the Ogiso