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samuk:
Argue with those that listed the word Oba as a Benin word with Edo origin in the international dictionary. I feel your pain, the Benin are always a thorn in the flesh of those that want to shove their Igboness or Yorubaness down the throat of everyone else. So it's understandable when Igbo and Yoruba collaborate against Benin because just like most parts of Yoruba land Igbo was also under the old Benin empire. History is what it is. It's not our fault.

The compilation of the English dictionary didn't start recently, if the word Oba had a Yoruba origin, the dictionary would have say so. You guys see everything from the prism of population. In your logic, it has to be a Yoruba word because they are more in population. You call yourself historian and don't know that Benin is much more older than Yoruba, what sort of skewed tribal historian are you.

So pitiful that in your inability to provide one document in your so called documented history since 1400s, that shows Bini use of the word "Oba"... After two days you can only provide a screenshot to an online dictionary that says
"used by various people .."

Here's the 2nd definition your own dictionary gives
This second definition even comes with a source [the renowned Collins English Dictionary]
Rendering the second definition more reliable than the one you made a screenshot of

gregyboy:
At 1882, nigeria was already been formed as a country the process was already going on and the British were many years in Yoruba land already



So a writer referring the monarch as oba in 1882 was normal, at 1882 the yorubas have already united for political gains so common words were already shared from eastern Yoruba to western yoruba

And the title oba was only the most renowed name for king in the then nigeria because of the influence of oba of benin, so she using the title oba for Yoruba king was not from yoruba knowledge but from her own independent knowledge


The British renamed oba of lagos from eleko n eko, not because oba of lagos was the name but because the name oba was already known for king in nigeria


So calling the yoruba kings obbas was her own decisions from a renowned name for king in benin

Lmao

gregyboy:
Lmoa, its funny



You dont being evidence to me without evaluating it first, because i will rubbish to your face


Everyone knows little was known of the yorubas untill the British began colonization


Now was she making a report speech or she was
Making a direct speech


At 1882

The Europeans were already in the heart of yoruba land

Now we are also going to check if it was a revised edition
I will have to check d pdf later

Please stick to the matter at hand. I know you are sobbing right now and feeling very emotionally traumatised but try ehn, sorry.
Just provide the thing we are asking
You know you asked us first, we have provided our own

TAO11:
Gbam!

To all Benin liars on Nairaland:

”K[í] Aṣípa tó jẹ Olúwo á pẹ́, bí [O]Lísà bá ńbẹ l[í] ayé Aṣípa kò ní jẹ Olúwo.”

~ Yoruba Proverb.

meaning as long as you dey, Bini miscreants must hide

gregyboy:
I will check d pdf later on


If you have anymore evidence bring them foward


First of all did she visit nigeria, if not how did she know there was a word ilke obba used by yorubas


Answer those questions before i begin checking the pdf for validation


Valirex
Ghostwon
AreaFada2
Etinosa1234

lmao

gregyboy:
Please let me see the evidence TAO11 brought forwards let me evaluate them myself

scroll up and stop embarrassing your ethnicity

gregyboy:
This an 1896 quotation refering to the king of benin as oba


Ruggedsniper
Etinosa1234
Toa111
AreaFada2
Sarah20A
Valirex
Ghostwon
Ghostwon
Afam4eva
Macof
Fregeneh
Alba3
Abagworo
Samuk

That is not the assignment you have boy

Provide a pre - 1900s document using the word "oba" to address a particular Ọmọnọba

Provide the 1896 document not a rephrased quotation in a recent paper, let's see

You miscreants started it by asking TAO11 for a pre-1900s document which she has provided, now when asked to provide your own two days of sleepless nights and extensive research now still no answer


Below is a pre-1900s document showing Yoruba Kings referred to as Oba.
This is what you should have done


www.nairaland.com/attachments/12712594_20201120li_jpeg669beaef00c457b182431ec02a16e2d9

Elisée Reclus & A. H. Keane; “The earth and Its Inhabitants", Vol. 12, Published 1882, p.265

valirex:
Present a written evidence of what the Ọbas of Benin were called from 1500-1900

what clowns

Bini miscreants - Oba is a Bini word yoruba stole it and deceived everybody that it is their word, yoruba can't provide evidence of using the word before 1900
Tao11 - *provides documents showing yoruba used the word before 1900
Bini miscreants - Show us the particular oba that was referred to with the word 'oba'
Tao11- *provides evidence of Jayin, Ajagbo and Abipa*.. Show us your own evidence of bini using the word before 1900
bini miscreants - *no evidence* *wailing and sobbing* are you saying oba of benin was called something else before 1900

clowns

samuk:
So you have proved that Benin borrowed it from Yoruba.

You may call Benin minority but the fact remains that almost the entire eastern Yoruba including Lagos were once under the Benin empire with your almighty Alaafin of Oyo even paying tributes to the Oba of Benin and your Alaafin begging the almighty Oba of Benin for troops.

I already provided you guys more than enough evidence starting from 1485 when the Oba of Benin became known to the Europeans. If you dispute that the Oba of Benin was not known as Oba, it's left for you guys to tell the readers what the title was.

Take it or leave it the title Oba spread from eastern Yoruba that was under the Benin empire to other parts of Yoruba land.


This is what Hugh Clapperton have to say about your Alaafin of Oyo:

"In the evening we had a visit from the king of Oyo, to thank me for the presents I had given him, and again to assure me of being welcolme; said that he wanted nothing, unless it was something that would speedily cause the submission of the rebels. He said that he had sent to his friend the king of Benin for troops to assist him in the war."

- Hugh Clapperton, Journal of a Second Expedition Into the Interior of Africa, from the Bight of Benin to Soccatoo, 1911.

please be sticking to the matter at hand. provide a pre-1900s document showing bini use of the word "oba" to address any particular king of benin. we are not doing take it or leave it here. You can't make ridiculous wild claims that you can't defend

just to show you what you are expected to do
here is a document from 1882 by Elisée Reclus & A. H. Keane refering to yoruba kings as 'oba' [this is not even the earliest volume]
do the needful or just keep quiet next time to avoid unnecessary embarrassment

samuk:
Igbo-subject thread?

Yoruba and ignorance, you don't even know the ethnic composition of your region and you want to debate history with Benin. You still call Ikwerre Igbo despite their no 1 citizen denying being Igbo. They actually claim Benin ancestry if that will help. These people don't need the Yoruba to tell them who there forebears were. Imagine the insinuation that the Oba title started with Oba Ovonramwen.

You are always on yoruba threads to promote divide.. Always on igbo threads to do same

Everyone cannot be minority like you, sorry

Imagine saying Yoruba borrowed the word "ọba" from Bini language but can't provide evidence of Bini use of the word before 1900s

samuk:
Since you are insinuating that Benin kings were not called Oba, please kindly tell us what they were called.

Please provide evidence to your claims or do I take it that you have nothing to defend your claims? You have made some wild claims on this thread no single evidence

TAO11:
Hi macof, the guy whom you quoted here is actually correct — although for the wrong reason.

I will paste a link to a thread where I once had a similar engagement shortly.

Please follow the thread to the end.

Ok.

NGpatriot:
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Not interested in your worthless ipob anti Nigerian rant, look for another customer.................

wéré

I doubt you know an ipob when you see one

Mad people so rampant nowadays

NGpatriot:
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Not interested in your worthless ipob anti Nigerian rant, look for another customer.

You must really be retarded to think I'm ipob

You are obviously obsessed with them

I am patriotic to the Nigerian people not a state or system that doesn't even work
That's the difference between people like me and slime like you

NGpatriot:
Don't you mean as she shares her lies and fake news?

Just imagine, she's going everywhere with her lies and fake rubbish, bet she won't go to the judiciary panel with her story, obviously, she
s dodging hard question under oath.

Why is it that most of the people peddling these fake rumors are ipobs.?


Nigeria is bigger than you lying bigots and enemies of Nigeria.


God Bless Nigeria

God bless Nigeria? Lol
I don't think you want a blessed Nigeria

A blessed Nigeria cannot come by having liars like Lie Mohammed and Sanwo Olu in public office
Or military shooting at unarmed civilians
Or fools as yourself who turn public issues that effect you into ethnic tussle. If in this case you are not thinking as a human being but still doing "ipob are against this, so I will stand for it" then you are mindless

Look at this one, judicial panel that is powerless? Why did the judicial panel not make use of the videos and live stream already? What panel needs the physical presence of the person who took the live stream before it can use the live stream as evidence?
She should turn up so they arrest her or kill her?

samuk:
When the Benin debate history with the Yorubas, it's always unfair fight, it's like going into the battlefields will AK47 and bazooka and the Yoruba are holding pebbles and stones.

Imagine what a historical timeline like 1485, 1552, 1668, 1669, 1704 and 1897 does to them, with actual publication on Benin history in Amsterdam in 1668 and another in 1704 amongst many other European written records.

Our Yoruba friend want us to believe that the Benin Oba that sent an ambassador to the king of Portugal in the 16th century was not called Oba but king. These people will shamelessly hold to anything no matter how nonsensical it sounds to defend their falsehoods.

Can you present any of these documents from 1485, 1552, 1668, 1669, 1704 and 1897 in Amsterdam and all over Europe using the word "oba" to refer to any King of Benin?
Simple task

TAO11:
I know right!

The most pitiable thing about these disgruntled unrepentant liars is what you’ve just mentioned.

They know themselves to be liars even from the outset without anyone refuting them.

But their simple aim is to deceive as many unsuspecting people as possible.

That’s particularly why they rush to other threads to peddle the same absurdity for which they’ve just been flogged into oblivion.

Tao Tao always giving them hard education. They of course will not take it because that's not what they are after but to prevent those who don't know better from taking their nonsense seriously it is important to give education

Imagine still asking for source that calls a Yoruba King ọba
Even after you explained that the word "ọba" is a common noun and Yoruba Kings are referred to by their styled titles.. A Bini person can't grasp this because to them "ọba" is a title (as a result of it being foreign to them) and "ogie" is the word for King

Permit me to add

1. "ọba" as a common noun doesn't necessarily mean a sovereign but any king or chief or honoured personage who presides over or dorminates something
For example, Ife nobles before the creation of a united ife were all known as Obas presiding over their quarters ie. Oba Idio, Oba Ejio, Oba Iloran, Oba Iwinrin etc and the most famous of them Obatala doubles as a deity.. Missionary sources of the mid 19th century mentions this name as a deity

Even the Peacock is an Ọba as the Yoruba would say "Ọkin ọba ẹyẹ"


2. Oranmiyan specifically intended to not raise his status when he was in Benin to that of an overall sovereign and held no styled title... Probably because he actually was not a sovereign considering the obstacles he met from Ogiamien
So this word "ọba" that some miscreants are trying to claim actually is not something they understand 
Rightly so as it is a foreign word and to them since their Sovereign is called by this word it must be a special title for a sovereign

3. In direct response to what the miscreant is trying to restrict the argument to.. That is, a particular king referred to with the word "oba". The first Ọmọnọba or Oba of Benin referred to in a document with the word "oba" is Ovonramwen and only in retrospect as this was after he had been deposed. Documents I have only date to 1906
.. If he can provide a document from an earlier date showing any Ọmọnọba before ovonramwen called "ọba" it would be very impressive but I doubt such document exist.

While you have provided earlier documents for your argument

TAO11:
You’re welcome sir.

Having debunked his ass, let’s wait (if not forever) for the 600 years old written evidence with which he seeks to demonstrate the use of “oba” among the Binis as he has claimed.

To think he wants to bring proof from 600 years ago when he couldn’t even bring ‘proof’ from freaking 121 years ago. Wonderful! I cant laugh abeg.

Tao, you supposed to be Archiving the sound education you are giving to this people
He will still return when the craziness has reached maximum level again or run to another thread to repeat the same nonsense

michealdeco:
Of course he was going to pick Ronaldo ahead of Messi

This is just like expecting players like Ronaldinho, xXavi and Iniesta to pick Ronaldo ahead of Messi which is impossible

The truth remains that Messi is the greatest

Ronaldo can go to rangers and scorw But he keeps moving from one top team to another waiting for tap ins

Guy even waiting for tap in is about positioning... That's a skill

Nemere2020:
https://m.guardian.ng/news/resignations-allegedly-rejected-by-police-high-command/

both the IGP and the lowly ranked officers are crazy.
First of all there's nothing like "hundreds of police officers tendering resignation", a handful is not hundreds. This is Nigeria we know they can't resign without alternative of another job.
Secondly, IGP should allow those FEW officers want to resign to go. Why should people be forced to carry out a job as sensitive as police?
Third, obviously the entire police force as an institution and the police officers themselves have no plans to stop police brutality, bribery and incompetence at security.
Look at that one saying "we are also Nigerians".. Yeah Nigerians who harass other Nigerians and sometimes murder them and nothing truly happens as you often threaten

We are such unfortunate citizens of the country Nigeria

NNEWIsuper:
I guess you came here to troll Afonjaa a if not this doesn't require a reply.. Enjoy your zoo

I told you, you are confused.
Those questions I asked ought to trigger your brain to start thinking but the only thing you saw was a troll... Quite unfortunate

Secondly you call Nigeria a zoo.. The popular ipob slang, meaning you are in the ipob school of thought yet here arguing for igbo presidency. What exactly do you want? Do you think igbo presidency will give you biafra or you will drop biafra agitation once you get igbo presidency? How does that solve the problem of the common igbo man?

Igbochief001:
So no igbo man is fit to be president but Yorubas have people fit right ?
South south has people fit right ?

Oh please there are credible people in every zone in Nigeria

U are saying the arguably the most educated zone has no one fit to be president ?

Yes Akinwunmi Adesina would have been a brilliant president of yoruba extraction but unfortunately he cannot be president not until we have a total transformation of the system and put an end to Godfatherism, nepotism and mediocrity

NNEWIsuper:
When is turn of igbo presidency you cursed lots will come out of your tiny hole to tell us how tribe doesn't matter but u have been coring your tribesmen since.. Get losed Afonja

you are even confused. I asked you how does an igbo man being president benefit your own interest? What has your common representative in Parliament done for you or how has your governor proven he can make a good president

What is the usefulness of igbo presidency? what is the agenda?
Asides beating your chest that an igbo man is president what again is there for the common igbo?

Igbochief001:
and u blame Igbos ? South west have ruled ...south south have ruled ...is it not their turn to back us ?

rule what?
You think you have any igbo politician who has sense enough to be useful to the common igbo man? Or its just ethnic ego that is driving this call for igbo presidency
All this nonsense about igbo presidency what do you want to use it to do? What's the agenda? How does it benefit other southerners.

It's not about the president being igbo, its about what kind of person is that and how do the common people benefit from such a president

9japride:
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The north are good in playing politics. Majority of southerners live 'wetin concern me' kind of life. While an average northern carries he's radio always to follow up on national issues.

It's not about the North being good. The South are just bad
The worst are even the middle beltans

QuotaSystem:
How can "uneducated & unintelligent" northerners be capable of such machiavellan strategy?

False alarm.

because the foolish South thinks education is all about Western books and school system. As a reader myself I know burying your head inside books doesn't best prepare you for real life situations

The northern elites have been playing the game since the early 60s. Educated South fooling themselves by not having an agenda of their own

juman:
Buhari presidency is disgrace to the north.
Obasanjo presidency was disgrace to the yorubas.
Jonathan presidency was disgrace to the niger deltans.

Today, daura is as safe as zamfara.
Anybody can be kidnapped by the bandit from there.

One nigeria has failed us.

I disagree that Buhari presidency is a disgrace to the North.
Yes the North remains the poorest region in the world (yes, because of the North Nigeria is now poverty capital of the world)
But the northerners are not bothered about poverty, what they want is that their elite should have power and to control other people's resources... This they do

Foolish southerners. While you fools were divided into PDP /APC, SW/SS /SE. The northerners have remained united in their agenda to remain in power either through NW or NE or through PDP or APC, it doesn't matter to them as long the North is in power and continues to move to take over the whole Nigeria

buJu234:
Everyone in those days did that na.. until women got their freedom

From England to French to Jewish to Iraq to etc..

its not about women but about slavery

Bkayyy:
Please bear in mind while reading this that those caught slaves and war captives were fellow yorubas.
Yorubas never conquered another ethnic group but themselves

bear nonsense.

Shut up if you don't know what to say in order not to mislead people who don't know better

Fahdiga:
Those involved will never go unpunished. blood of the victims are crying for justice

its up to us to deliver the justice.
We must never forget

Vaughanlanrewaj:
Lately,Germany has been the base of some people acting against our national interests and I kept wondering why Germany does not see the risk in it.

Most nations that see the burning down of Lagos by now will think twice before acting non challant when next Nigeria reports the activities of these people to their host nations.

Imagine someone asking people to burn down Lagos or someone tearing Nigerian passport on live video and still staying back in Germany or attacking a sitting Nigerian Deputy Senate President in Germany yet allowed to stay in Germany. To do what?

I hope the innocent ones among these deportees get justice. They should not be lumped with those Germany rejects for sabotaging Nigeria.

#justice for victims of Lagos carnage

Lmao what a clown.

You think they will deport a legal resident highlighting the incompetence of Nigeria 's leadership?
Why do you think people run away from Nigeria in such numbers if not due to the failed system?