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Wtf77:
macof the known and proven pathological liar.

Hear him talk, only lies come from his mouth. Of course he is praising the video to be the gospel truth since a part of it seems to tow his line.
The usual ways of the crooks: elevate those who tow your line and disgrace those who don't.

Actual facts about the video:

Atigba:
I don't want to wast my time proven what you already know to you.

For the people that are here to learn.. watch this, the number 3 man in your kingdom talked about how you migrated from ille ife.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZQZl-yyNqE

Wtf77:
Actually you were lying about history and also accusing me of lying when I said I were a maths teacher in France.
I then showed pictures in order to once again prove my claims and expose you as the pathological liar which you are. And you know all this, but you just can't stop telling lies.

Below my small personal library

macof:
You are far too impressed with being in france to be taken seriously. We are talking about History you are bragging about being in france. What has you being in france got to do with the topic? you are expecting respect and honor from people on this forum for being in france? mumu
europe still dey new for your eye

Wtf77:
Pathological liar, perhaps it is time you shot your lying mouth and have some shame !
By the way, I get a very good pay as a maths teacher in France.
I know you are pained in the gutter in which you live in southwest Nigeria.
Life here in France is good !

Wtf77:
A clearly french car next to me

Etinosa1234:
To be frankly honest...I never believed that Yorubas could be this dumb and foolish
Little Wonder Instead of them to recover the land that the Fulani army took from them by force(chasing the Oyo Empire to their present place)..they are so bothered abt Benin that doesn't want them

I said that if similarities in language is ur basis to claim that Oba of Benin is related to Ife..then there is high chance of the oba Being related to esan rather than ife...if u cant understand..I'm so sorry for u


There still remains no proof that Oba of Benin is related to Ife and similarities in language is not, sorry, can never be a basis to make that claim...

Hope u get and bring eyewitness reports
Thanks

Etinosa1234:
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence

U were the one with fairytale.. I only showed u report of the Benin...not I believed it...

Still u are yet to prove it...

U are bringing similarities in language...
if that's ur stance..The oba is more likely to be esan than Yoruba

Prove Ur Claims

Wtf77:
When will you stop telling lies ?
No shame ?
The document never said that Lagos was small !
You are just telling lies and more lies !

Once again, the translation in full:



Also, I studied in France from primary school to masters degree. I teach maths in a French High school in France. My French is way better than my English !

Look why do you lie so much ?

I urge everybody to translate the document themselves.

Wtf77:
Just to recap, here is the fake translation of macof coupled with foul language and all sorts of lies:



Here is the actual translation:

"Captain Horsley called it Eco, and that is how the yebous refer to it; but it is not their land: it belongs to Benin, whom have named it Korame, you can recognise the Curamo from older Portuguese reports, just like Eko represents the Ichoo from Holland Hydrographs. Long ago Korame was linked to its metropolis by a very narrow piece of land contained between the great Laguna and the sea; but it has been a while since the Yebous have seazed that very narrow peace of land of which the eastern extremity was invaded by ouyo pirates; and Karamé remained isolated at the extremity of the great Laguna, while it continues to receive from Benin it's governor or political chief."

Etinosa1234:
Still the same thing...

Bring eyewitness reports that supports ur claims

Dedetwo:
Yari.ba peeps always think that everybody is gullible and tend to throw craps around. If "Eko (Ereko) means field in Yoruba", where other places the Ijebu called Eko beside Lagos? Where there no other fields in Ijebu land?
.

Etinosa1234:
For u to say that means u didn't really understand Benin history
Benin historians say that the banished prince, Ekaladerhan went to Ife...where a prophecy had been made that their king will come from the bush. When Ekaladerhan came, he was later crowned according to the prophecy and renamed Oduduwa.Then when the Benin throne was empty as a result of the inability of the Former ogiso to produce a successor, Benin chiefs went to Ekaladerhan now Oduduwa for help. Due to the fact that Oduduwa was too old and couldn't come back to rule, he sent one of his sons Oranmiyan to be the new leader...Then Oranmiyan gave birth to the first oba, Oba Eweka.

At the last bolded, there is no single eyewitness reports about the origin of the first Oba, and many other tribes lay claim to being the origin. So therefore any historian that claim to dismiss Bini claims would have also dismissed the Yorubas claim as the Yoruba demselves have no proof abt it...Jus folktales like the Benin also

macof:
:
Ovbi' Umogun Oza
The Child of the Oba whose mother hailed from Oza

Ovbi' Ekpen N' Owa
The son of the home leopard

Ovbi' Adimila
The son of Adimila

Ikeji Orisa
Second in command to the gods

Agbaghe, N'Ovbi Olokun
Olokun's son, the cynosure of all mortals

Abieyuwa N'Ovbi Odua N'uhe
The son of the wealthy Odua of Uhe(Ife).

Ovbi' Ada, Ovbi' Eben
The child of the owner of the Ada =
scimitar and Eben = royal sword, Edo
symbol of sovereignty.

Ovbi'Ekenekene ma deyo
The son of beauty that never fades.

Ovbi'Ekuaho N'Olo, Ovbi'Ekuabo N'Olo
The son of the rocky arm, the brave and
powerful

Ovbie Ikpinhianbo kpuru no Gb'oduma
The son of the short fingered man that
was still able to kill a lion

Nohien utete no gh'ughe s'omwan
The king on a hill, who sees more than
everybody

Ovbi'Oghonwan nei bun aro
The son of the fearless, who looks
without twinkling his eyes

Ovbi'ode, ode n'ohan ren mu' ete
The son of the warrior whose enemies
got frightened at the announcement of
the approach

Uku Akpolokpolo
The mighty that rules

Ovbi' Adolo no dolo uwa dolo utomwen
The son of the wise judge and peace
maker who combined wisdom and
wealth with long life

Ovbi' oven owie no gbaisi
The son of the morning sun that covers
everywhere

Ovbi' Akpogunla, ogie no y'igho b'owa
The child of the womb of Akpogunla - the
warrior who fought big wars and built a
house of cowries


Oba n'osa
A king that is god

Ovbi' otolo n'olomi; Ologberonmwon nei rie iruen, ebo, ayemwinre eminiminimini
The son of the water controller, the son
of beauty itself, the starter of things and
the person whose reign saw people with
many tongues

OmoOlofin:
Yes I have a question as well, macof.

How do you embed an image to appear in-between texts?

Thanks.

Christistruth00:
From Sir alfred maloney
British Colonial Governor of Lagos 1890

Wtf77:
So basically after being caught telling lies, you just stick with your lies with no shame ?
The document proves without any doubt that Lagos belongs to Benin. I notice how you are avoiding to quote the true translation of the document

Let me give you it's actual translation one more time:

Etinosa1234:
Nonsense talk...
The Benin Palace said that the first Oduduwa was a banished Benin prince
The Ife palace say that Oba of Benin is a Yoruba man

There are two sides of a story...but u chose to believe the Yoruba part because..its what suit ur ego..

now... I want u to prove to me how the first oba conquered Benin from reputable historian
Tell me the year and how it happened

Wtf77:
Conclusion : I have proven that Lagos belongs to Benin !


I have also proven once and for all that macof and his fellow yorubas are liars. They will lie even when the evidence that they are telling lies is in front of everybody's eyes.

Areafada, Gregyboy, Samuk, Davidnazee.

macof:
Small boy, go and rest.
Posting something in a language the people you are expecting to reach out to don't understand thinking you won't receive a worthy response.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12010252_screenshot20200727183806_jpeg7e8ba116274a198806b36682563c2b7c
That text deals a heavy blow to the usual claims of you Bini miscreants
"nous l'a appelee Eco, et c'est ainsi que la designent les Yebous... Benin, qui lui applique le nom Korame"
"Eco(Èkó) is the name given to it by the Yebous (Ijebu)... The Benin call it Korame"

If you are to post this text as authoritative then you must know that you cannot claim "Èkó" is a Bini word. The Bini called Lagos "Korame" after the Portuguese "Curamo". So Bini didn't even know about the area until the Portuguese
Your own source testifies to it being named Eko by the Ijebu

Futhermore, the text says
".. Korame etait unie a sa metropole par la langue de terre resserree entre la grande lagune et la mer; mais des longtemps les Yebous se sont empares..."
"Korame (Lagos) was formerly larger, included a metropolis between the Great lagoon and the sea but for a long time the Yebous (Ijebu) seized this area"

Futher the text says
"dont l'extremite orientale a ete envahie par les pirates Ouyo; et Korame est restee isolee au bout de la grande lagune, continuant a recevoir du Benin"
"the Eastern part of this area was invaded by pirates from Ouyo(Oyo) and what is left of Korame is the isolated end towards the great lagoon, this is all that is controlled by Benin"



Do you see how you are not smart enough?
Reason you cannot post anything in English anymore
You don't know even in French you cannot escape with lying on texts.

As someone who is familiar with Lagos tradition, I can confirm this text is right. In Lagos nobody will testify to "Èkó" being named by Bini people. And the only area that has significance to the Benin presence is where we call Enuwa... A tiny space less than the size of a football field at the extreme end of the land towards the lagoon

Sanity33:
Wow, you are one big 419. Once again you skip the important sentence. Why are you so dishonest ?


"eco, et c'est ainsi que la désignent les yabous; mais elle n'est pas de leur domaine: elle appartient au Bénin"

Translation:

"Eco, that is how it is referred to by the yabous, but it is not their land: it belongs to Benin"

Notice how you just skipped this sentence and replace it with "..." Why so dishonest ? Do you just hope to discourage people from trying to translate the text themselves, by giving them your translation while hiding the important part ?

Sanity33:
Some people asked the question " who owns Lagos ?"

Well, I just dug up a book published in 1845 which states categorically that Lagos belongs to Benin.
And that the Oba of Benin decides who rules Lagos.

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k62093119/f11.image.r=Yebou

Sanity33:
1). A hereditary monarchy is a monarchy in which the only person who can take over from the king is from the same family as the king.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV5w143PCaY

Only 1 ruling family

2). The writer of the book which you posted is writing about the Yoruba and obviously by "Yoruba obbas" he means the Oba who rules over the yorubas. That doesn't imply the Oba is a Yoruba, nor that he only rules the Yoruba. Actually since your ooni and your alafin are not hereditary crowns, they are not Oba !
The Oba is the Oba of Benin, that is hereditary ! Also the writer writes about local semi autonomous chiefs and those are the only ones whom he claims are not hereditary. Therefore your ooni and alafin fall in that category ! Your ooni and alafin are not kings but local semi autonomous chiefs !

3). In no way, is oyo called " oyo empire" in the book.
Actually I believe the term used is "yarib.bah", no empire !

4). I see in the translation, you skipped some key sentences on purpose. A fuller translation is this:
"The opinion of Obi Ourano, our friend, is that the protection of the Oba of Benin will be powerful enough to defend us in jebu and yarrib.ba. In borgu and haoussa however, it is not certain because the Oba of Benin is not known well enough in those areas (Borgu and haoussa) for them to fear his retribution."

This implies, jebou and yarrib.ba do fear the retribution of the Oba of Benin ! That is the authority the Oba of Benin has over Jebu and yarrib.ba.

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5806879x/f13.image.r=Oba

Oh, I see why a revisionist would skip such an important sentence. But don't blame yourself, your ancestors were slaves after all.

PVision2020:
Arguing further with that guy is a waste of time and intellectual capacity. He's a troll without substance.

Sanity33:
Which one is hereditary:

1) ooni
2) alafin

Answer: none of the above !
Obviously the writer is not referring to your ooni nor your alafin.

Each town has its semi autonomous chief: that sounds like your ooni of ife, s demi autonomous chief !

As the writer claims, the only real King is the Hereditary one. Who may that be ?

Hint: the yorubas are among the subjects of the king, but the king is not a Yoruba and he lives in a city and his title is Oba .

Sanity33:
Précolonial text from 1880 calling the Oba of Benin by the title "Oba":

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5806879x/f13.image.r=Oba

I am still waiting for a text of that era calling any Yoruba by the title Oba. That is how you prove your claim.
But you can't. Because your chiefs copied the title Oba in the 1930's. There is no text of the 1890's calling any Yoruba by the title Oba. We know you can insult, but can you prove what you claim ?

By the way, this text also shows that the Oba of Benin had authority over the Yoruba and the jebu. Thanks for motivating me to dig this paper out ! I had been focussing on precolonial maps alone while there are also a lot of precolonial texts as well.

Areafada, Samuk, davidnazee, gregyboy

Sanity33:
Wow.
Actually I proved that the title Oba is from Benin and was copied by the Yoruba in the 1930's.
You are in the business of propagating falsehood. I prefer rather proving things which I claim.
And you are a revisionist.
You clearly know nothing about history.
I dare you to show a picture or text dated to the 1890's in which any Yoruba is described by the word "Oba".

Sanity33:
It is a folklore, a fairytale.
There was never any ogiso, just like there was never any Hercules or Santa Claus or batman.
But people like you just can't use your brains.
The title has been Oba for as long as can be testified for.

Sanity33:
Fvcking slowpoke, I am not entering this nonsensical debate of "what is the meaning". Rather you should ask yourself when your first Yoruba dictionary was written. That will tell you your "meaning" question makes no sense.
I see you are calling your yoruba trolls to come and help you troll.
Look, you guys are pathetic.
Trying so hard to deny and bury the truth.
Fact is fact.

Olu317:
Just imaging, ‘ To them Africans (hamite) are cursed' You are even worse than greyboy! Go and read about the Bible from the critics who studied the biblical history. No wonder you lacked the pedigree to differentiate beween Ibo's otutu and Yoruba's wuro,aro oro,auro, euro ,which is ; morning, sunlight of the day in both languages. This your poor knowledge can't understand how these root came to be from the formation from Waw+ Resh as explained, below

Waw; w,o,u,
Resh: Rii/R

This alone has shown you're simply finished and empty because you have no clue nor books to make as reference to support your baseless views. So, stop being backward and uneducated by reading books to know more than you have at hand.

TAO12:
Just so you’re aware, he is the same person as Prolog/Ghostwon.

I know he is always scared of me. Logycs, yes I know you are. Cry!

Obalufon:
You are not even a true yoruba person to lump us up with bunch of monkeys ,, . Yoruba are not congoloid or bantoid and i;m not claiming hebrew either

Obalufon:
That is the problem Africa is Diverse continent you have to know that Mr macof we are not the same "" Nilotic is totally different from Bantu and Cushite ...Hebrew are not white people they are black skinned people"" Moses married Ethiopian woman ,you can't tell the difference between Ethiopian and Hebrew and Egyptian in the Bible that is why Joseph and Mary flee to Egypt to hide Jesus from King Herod because they were black skinned if they had moved North they would be easily detected because of color of their skin among White skinned people ,.... During the pharaonic period kushite empire stretched to chad region ..The mysterious kingdom of Yam in Egyptian history is located their..Yoruba could be of product Cushite black that migrated down due to the desertification of Sahara or migration of Hebrew and Egyptian down south due to War in upper Nile . Igbo is totally different from Hausa genetically and phenotypically ..Yoruba is different

meobizy:
Naija boys keep marrying the lowest of the low caucasians all in the name of possessing pali. Yuck.

Olu317:
Lol

Logycs:
Yeah, African history is special. It doesn't obey logical rules established and respected elsewhere. In African history we must create a backdoor for revisionists, that backdoor we shall call it "oral history" or "tradition".
It allows crooks to make up stories, myths and present them as history.

Crooked macof, you will never change.

Logycs:
Where to start ?

1) all you said is unsubstantiated
2) oranmiyan whom you talk about as if he were real is actually a mythical figure.
3) do I need to say more ?

You still haven't changed. You just keep repeating made up stories and never care to prove any claim of yours.

The fact remains that you can't locate any precolonial text referring to your chiefs ( ooni, alafin...) as Oba.
But in the 1930's out of a sudden, all your chiefs started bearing the title Oba.

The only précolonial texts mentioning the word Oba was referring to the Oba of Benin.

Your chiefs copied the title of the Oba of Benin.
And you know it eventhough you refuse to acknowledge it and try to claim it through mythical figures (who were totally made up).

Of course you want to reduce the significance of the title, it is not yours after all.
You claim the Oba title is inferior to the ooni title yet, your ooni felt obliged to add it to his title. And so did your alafin and actually all your chiefs.
Laughable.

Crooked yoriba