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xamuel17: Tribal marks is highly crude and lame.. I rather opt for tattoos for my kids... They have a tattoo on their forehead, that reads "MADE IN CHINA"

See this demented one..tatoo on his forehead reading "made in china"
This is the modern mental state of Africans, later we wonder why nothing is working in Africa

frosbel: I believe in God no doubt , but do not believe he is exclusive to the Jews, I think that's the point I am getting at

In other words, God is the God of ALL !!

If you don't believe your God is the lord God of the Hebrews then you don't believe the Bible...you are a cherry picker


Pls stick to something and stop ur confusion
You are better off as a deist but I'll advice you drift to your ancestral spirituality as you go

donroxy: macof again, NoBody is asking you to live your life in a particular way you don't wanna live it as that is simply your problem !!

Then don't quote quran...resolve ur religious doctrines to a non-Muslim with simple logic and life based observations

I remember when I usually referred your brain as PuffPuff and that of all LogicBoy's moniker because you guys will never stay on point of discord but dillydallying just to unreasonably refute facts !!

when you can't handle a comment this is wat you spill...rubbish!

I posted based on the Topic of the thread ( read the Topic and Op) and U quoted asking questions and I replied you with reasons why Religion wouldn't use Logic in conducting what they do since scriptures is what they use to conduct their activities !!!


Only for you to turn around and made this thread about yourself!!

This thread is not about YOU nor whatever you belief!!

tis about why is Logic not allowed in Religion....... ...... You guys just argue dirty and baseless


what is my business if you belief in drunkards or not , that is your own problem not mine , my own is to give reasons why Religion doesn't allow Logic and I have done that

In other words, you agree ur religion is strictly against you using your (some may say "God given" intelligence?

Rossikk: You can do a lot better than try to use a quote which damned your position, as a tool of attack. If only you could show us a corresponding quote from the era stating that "it was upon the borders of the Lower Nile that a white/yellow race of men organised complicated systems ....". Alas there is nothing like that in the historical record. All you have today are periodic treats to Zaki Hawass and friends' lunatic utterances, and our having to put up with the knuckle headed rants of their foot soldiers like you. Also, telling lies about my supposedly claiming "blacks ruled the Mediterranean" won't help you much either. By the way at some point in deep antiquity, it must have been the case that blacks ruled the entire Mediterranean. Homer was the first voice of Europe and the Greeks in 800BC. The Mediterranean has been an economic and information super highway from as early as 4,000 BC.


So of course there was a time blacks ruled that region, because blacks were the ones who migrated and populated all the regions on earth.

It's a simply thing to do -just show us evidence from lower egypt showing that they were black.

After you got no sensible thing on the black/Mediterranean Egypt case, you shift to the bold
You are a fraud indeed.

Who's talking about early humans moving out of Africa to populate the regions of the world??
This here is was Lower Egypt black or Mediterranean??

donroxy: Qur'an

"Wa maa khalaqtul-Jinna wal-'insa 'illa liya'-buduun."
Quran Chapter 51 Ayah 56

I created the Jinn and humankind only to worship Me


Bible :

Matthew 4:10 New International Version (NIV)
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Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’

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The Only medium through which God has communicated with HumanBeing are the scriptures and the only essence of creation is to satisfy/worship God


How you satisfy God :

You do that by complying with his Dos and Don'ts !!

Sorry! This doesn't answer my question.

I asked "has the creator ever asked u to satisfy it and how do u satisfy it"

Stop telling me wat men have written with their hands and tell me what Allah has said with his mouth

I don't go around living my life based on wat some 6th century drunkards wrote

Rossikki: The French writer Constantin-François Volney (1757-1820), in his important work, The Ruins of Empires, extends this point of view by saying that the Egyptians were the first people to "attain the physical and moral sciences necessary to civilized life." In referring to the basis of this achievement he states further that, "It was, then, on the borders of the Upper Nile, among a Black race of men, that was organized the complicated system of worship of the stars, considered in relation to the productions of the earth and the labors of agriculture; and this first worship, characterized by their adoration under their own forms and national attributes, was a simple proceeding of the human mind."
Volney's Ruins; or, Meditation on the Revolutions of Empires, Boston, J. Mendum, 1869.

Did you get that Mr Pagan? Not "among a white race of men". Not "among a yellow race of men". Not "among a mixed yellow, red, orange race of men", but "among a BLACK race of men".

Tell us when you're going to commit suicide. Because I will produce more testimonies and proof than your system can handle. Servant of white supremacists pretending to be an African. I guess Count Volney too was a "racist" against his own white people for stating the truth! In your dull head, anyone who states the truth about ancient black majesty is a 'racist'. But I'm sure you wouldn't call me a racist if I say Rome was a white civilization. You'd probably buy me a beer. Oyibo servant.

This your quote betrays your argument. See the bold, that's exactly what I've been saying

Blacks inhabited upper nile..moronic racist scumbag like u would exaggerate and say blacks ruled the Mediterranean

donroxy: Yes, you were created a logical being so as for you to able to distinguish right from wrong , positive from negative and in the longrun , whatever your resolution is shall be reviewed by your creator and you shall be adjudged !!

Religion is simply based on Belief (Faith) and Humanitarianism (Love) !!

In Religion , Faith and Humanitarianism is never based on Logic i.e your own mere conception or what you felt is the right or wrong !

because :

The essence of Religion is to satisfy your creator and to satisfy your creator , you have to conform with HIS Do's and Don'ts or else your soul will bear some consequence in the longrun when your body dies !!

And did the creator ever tell you he wanted you to satisfy it?
And in what way it wants d satisfaction?

italo: I wonder!

My religion embraces logic and reason more than any other group I know.

says the nigga that believes his saviour would come back on a horse from the sky

italo: If the body of a person can remain incorruptible for centuries, why can't a virgin give birth to a child.

You prefer the comfort of ignorance than to challenge yourself and research.

Incorruptible

Yh we would research a baby produced without sperm

Any sensible person can see from your comments how Christianity is strictly against logic

9jacrip: And this is the reason I've been holding out, I was thinking this was the case but then it seems history of Yagba is history of Okun? We are yet to hear histories of more Okun towns and you're right about settlements pre-migration from Ife.

#out of this thread
There's a thing bothering me on the history of Oduduwa's household and his princes and their migration into various parts of yorubaland.
I don't really know any Ife person who knows much or willing to spend time on this.
I would open a thread inviting u later.

9jacrip: Oh...
I haven't heard that before and to think Okun ancestors migrated from Ife according to their history, I am curious how their language is more ancient than that of their source?

Isn't it only Yagba - an Okun subgroup, that is said to have migrated from Ife??...not saying others didn't but Yagba are the only ones famous for that.

I realized with Ekiti, not all people migrated from Ife even at pre-Oodua period. Many towns were already flourishing before visitors from Ife settled between 1300-1500AD...so Okun could be identical

Macelliot: Macof? So you are still active on NL, I taught your acct was affected when NL lost its data?
Who is this new "Makof" I see here on this forum?
I taught you were the one. Smh!

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Though, there are many Johns. I think it's John the brother of James.... Not sure !
But the Book of Revelation is very reliable!

Makof is my clone.
The bold proves my point...nobody can be sure of the authorship of the books...they are all unreliable.

The new testament itself is a joke...the Romans literally created it

Apatheist: Yes, your ancestors made their Gods, the Jews made their own gods. Every god was influenced by other cultures and other gods,except most of sub-Saharan Africa because we evolved/lived in isolation.

Every culture has its own god it uses to explain things it does not know.

The Argument From Locality:
Argument from Locality runs as follows. Every religion currently being practiced on this planet, as well as every past religion which no longer has followers, has a definite, discernible origin in time and space. Even if the exact beginnings of a religion are murky, that religion still originated in a definite area and in a definite time period.

However, I argue that any god or gods which existed and which desired to reveal themselves to humanity would not do this – they would not provide a revelation to only one culture, at one time, in one place. There are several good reasons to believe this, and if it holds, then any religion which did have only a single point of origin cannot possibly be true. In short: The fact that all religions originated in one specific culture, at one specific time and place, points strongly to their being the product of that culture, time and place – and not the product of divine revelation."

How come your Jesus never revealed himself to your ancestors? All of them will go to "hell" because they didn't believe in him.

But you are wrong my friend.

Paganic societies don't use "God " to explain what they don't know...rather they use it to explain what they know
@apatheist

Paganic spiritualities have no "origin period". Every knowledge held is based on decades and centuries old research and understanding.

Stop fitting Paganism into the scope of christianity

Qsscruz: @Op who told you a moral man is ever in control of things. Everything under the sun and above it is controlled by a supreme being..God..Whether in a critical condition or in a pleasant one, he is always there..There is God, only a fool thinks otherwise.

Yes but telling us that jehovah or Allah is that supreme being is ridiculous

FOLYKAZE: I still cant find how God comes in here. Are you counting for a tragedy to surface so that you can mock 'God'?

The Abrahamic God should know better than let tragedy befall his children for no reason.

Afterall he is all loving, holy and pure...I wonder what's happening to this God because the universe doesn't portray should a creator like jehovah or Allah

Liveair: Yes, i agree with rationalmind.
As a last resort, most people at crossroads desperately grab on to straw!
Believe in a god, any god for that matter, offers yet another hope.

Fear is what draws people to religion. Hope is what keeps them in it.

I tell you Faith has nothing to with christianity, it's just fear and hope

Image123: Started off you say? Don't bank your life on unreliable mythology.

Such a sensible statement from a stuupid fellow who does exactly what he is preaching against.

Adam and Eve
Noah
Abraham
Elijah
Jesus

All the stories revolving these characters are unreliable mythology but you foolishly believe them without a question

Macelliot: Mr. Man wake up!
A 1500yrs old Bible...
Jesus lived around 0 B.C - 33 A.D.
Paul and Barnabas lived around 10 BC - 85 A.D.
Paul first book(letter to the Romans) was written in 70 A.D.
Barnabas died before 90 A.D.
Out of the 12 Apostles of Jesus Christ, Only John(author of Revelation) lived to see 100 A.D.
Back again
A book written about 1500yrs whereas Jesus lived around 2000+ years ago...
2000+ - 1500yrs = 500 years...
That means that bible found in Turkey was written in the 5th-6th century...
Muhammad lived thesame time the so called bible was Found. Obviously, that bible was written after Muhammad brough Islam..
AGAIN
The gospel of barnabas was written 1500yrs ago whereas Barnabas died 1900yrs ago. The book was written by an unknown individual 400yrs after the death of Barnabas.
AGAIN
The Book was written in Spanish... Jesus never spoke Spanish. Barnabas never Spoke Spanish...
They only Spoke Hebrew and Aramaic language....
AGAIN
The Book denied Jesus being the Son of God and also denied Jesus being the Messiah/Christ.....

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I know that you are a Muslim....
I think you are really CONFUSE...
Even your Quran reffered to Jesus as the Messiah.. Isa Al-masih(pbuh)..
Confusionist Muslim....

You do realize that the entire new testament excluding those authored by Paul are very unreliable.
John for instance isn't the author of revelations
Matthew isn't the author of Matthew

In fact we have so many 1st century Yahannas (John) that we can't ascribe any Book to a particular one in certainty

RikoduoSennin: .
This report most likely is false. Even if it isn't, it goes to show the OP's limited knowledge of Christianity.

1) During Jesus era, there was nothing called the bible. They just have various scrolls and parchments of Hebrew and Aramaic writers.

2) Jesus native language was not Aramaic or Syriac. Look closely at his name "Yehosuah", His ancestry, the time period was around the rise of the Roman Empire which was presided by the Greek Empire. Now you understand why the New testaments were writting in Greek (consistent with history).

3) The Holy Scriptures/Bible as a whole does not contradict itself, it is harmonious. How then can Barnabas call Paul and imposter yet both books written by Paul and barnabas was most likely found in your Supposely found bible.

4)Not all books written are inspired of God, Some books are called Apocrypha books which are not included in the Holy Scriptures. Only 66 books were inspired. These books were written after the death of the last Apostle- John. Barnabas lived during the first century AD/CE, that was almost 2000 years ago not 1500 years ago.

5) You are implying that Jesus did not die but ascended alive defeat the purpose for which he was sent (as a sacrifice), things the law command in the Hebrew scriptures fore-shadowed, why did he come to earth then?.

I am only interested in 5.
Wat did Hebrew scriptures fore-shadow?? WTF does "fore-shadow" even mean

Jesus came to earth like every other human - to grow in consciousness, not to die for anybody's sins
The universe doesn't work that way, Karma is a real biitch and she gives u exactly what you deserve.

The rate at which muslims lie against Christians you know something is seriously wrong with that religion.

A religion where they must authenticate their beliefs and hopes by the teachings of another religion

Muslims all over the world, I see you all.

Just revert to the True Spirituality as ordained by the creator - Paganic Spiritualities, which your ancestors practised. There you find true peace with your consciousness

9jacrip: Interesting, please expatiate.

actually, it's what a lot of people say..I haven't observed okun language myself.

expected! Ife language is one ancient one which most Yoruba groups broke out from but I have to say Okun is more ancient than even Ife language.

9jacrip: As Mr. TonySpike rightly pointed out, no Yoruba dialect supersedes each other and in addition, every Yoruba sub-group speak correct and original Yoruba (except the Lagos pop-Yoruba). But going by your premise -the bolded, I need to point out that original and correct Yoruba could be said to be the one spoken in Ife - you'll find drops or elements similar to Ife language in every Yoruba dialect. And also it is best to add that the actual/original Yoruba is spoken in Ooni Ogboni (Ife chiefs and chiefs across Yoruba labd join), this is the type of yoruba spoken in the days of old, it is mostly effective for incantations and charms etc.

Joel3: thanks so far and I appropriate. The reason i gave reference to that God is that no other God have record of creation other than the same God the Muslim, Christian and Jews gave creation lordship to...

The earth existed before. Its without form and shapeless according to the bible. And remold it, just like other planted that existed.

Not that I believe this creation.

There are so many question my brother.

And you haven't been exposed to other creation stories...
A pity really

owendei: how did d universe come to exist?

The universe has always existed, but it's current state is a result of expansion

emtimes: alright the space do concerns us but not in religious way, God is not trying to teach us what we can do with the space all he did in the bible was to show us he is the supreme God and draw us back to him i think thats why has to tell us breifly on his creation days.

God didn't show you anything..it's nt the creator's duty to show you his nature..it's for you to find that out with Nature

The Bible is simply a book of men

emtimes: u got it, space cannot be God and, space seems to be a thing, it must be created by something who is not a thing but a superbeing. God might have not mention space cause it didnt concern us

Lol . You right tho, space is a result of a superbeing,but letting us that superbeing is jehovah is simply ridiculous

UrbanMystique: i gave 3 options there..
okay, now that you agree that universe is endless (which to me could 50:50), you cancelled out option 2.
which means its impossible for god to create the universe.

now left with option, 1 and 3.

if universe created god, what is the point of worshiping god and not universe. which brings follow up question, if universe can be very intelligent enough to create a god, how are we sure it isnt the same universe that created humans and put the gods to lord of humans like we lord over other animals? or of what use is god to universe?

The universe is not after our worship...but indirectly all we do honours the universe

your God whatever God it is, doesn't exist. It's jst a human concept trying to explain the universe

UrbanMystique: 1, if universe created god, then god is the universe.
2, if god created universe, then he must be out of this universe to create this universe. (e.g its impossible to be in a computer to create a computer)
3, if universe created god, why do we have to worship god and not the universe? the god's god. the universe is the almighty. because without universe there wont be any god.

finally, this topic get as e be.

God itself is the universe...God is nothing but a personified concept

emtimes: What u posted is mans foolishness. do you think u made urself? do u know all the thoughts in you God gave u the ability to think them. so if u aint thinking by ur power instead u were giving the wisdom to then, shut up and follow the one who gave U. the question is who gave u? either nature, devil or God. the answer is the one who says he is their creator.GOD

For the sake of better understanding..define God.

Donmarrius: Yorobbers doesn't have the ball,to lay claim to those areas,unless they want to get drawned in Atlantic ocean,as Fulanis will run them over,onces again,like they did in Kwara.

Coming to Ondo,Dokubo and Ijaws,will make life unbearable for you Yorubas,should you dare touch their 'oyel' producing area,in Ondo state.

The speech of a mad man

dozzzybaba: You are a Liar

Last year, Governor Babatunde Raji Ifashola deported some ibo destitutes and gave them a free bus ride back to iboland but we remebered how you ibos wept and wailed over the deportation.

A Yoruba man will be happy to go back to Yorubaland

An Ijaw man will be happy to go back to Ijawland

A Hausa man will be happy to go back to Hausaland

It is only the ibo man that would cry whenever he is deported back home

Igboland seems like a curse for these people. I wonder what's scaring them away from home