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Olu317:
Can you explain the reason the Opa Oranmiyah is Hebrew ? If you're inferior ,then that's your self conviction. So infer your view like a scholar.

You'll first explain HOW it is Hebrew

TAO11:
Shut up!

You have already contradicted yourself on this before.

You said it wasnt the Yorubas who came up with the connection.

You wrote for weeks that it was your Obas who sold you cheap and fabricated the connection with Ife for cheap political gains.

Did you not say that? So, why are you now trying hard to change the narrative just a few days later?

You have to make up your mind, little boy

I'm just reading their chats and laughing.
Two Bini clowns
That Areafada fear Yoruba more than anything
The inferiority complex is realer than real

TeeBabss:
https://www.newtelegraphng.com/i-believe-makinde-only-had-dry-catarrh-not-covid-19-senator-buhari/

The senator's name is Buhari

I can't take any Yoruba man named Buhari seriously

adee17:
Don't close your mind to learning@macof no matter how strange it might look. There are footprints of evidence around you of Near East ancestry of Yoruba but you can't see it or you choose not to. In fact it is almost proven conclusively that Torah itself was written in Yoruba language, I mean ancient Yoruba Language, not the 'Oyonised' version we are all speaking or writing now. I found it odd that you are contesting that Yoruba are migrants here when our tradition, culture, Language, and even oral history of some Yoruba towns alluded to it.

don't tell me that nonsense. You provide something worth learning and sensible people will learn
You can't bring jargons worth the shit of a baby and say I should learn from that

You attest to the abundance of evidence... Provide them
Provide the torah written in ancient Yoruba language

What towns alude to migration from the near East?
Note I asked what towns not what religious sects
That some miscreant Christians and Muslims use the bible and quran to create imaginative stories about the Yoruba does not serve as history.. The traceability to recent religious influences is evident by the sources being of non - traditional (ie. Isese) nature, in direct contradiction to Isese. No town's established traditional records would be in such disassociation from Isese institutions

PS. Notice how you did not answer any questions

adee17:
How are you sure they were converted hebrews? Are you saying there are no original hebrews on earth again? I know religion is not ethnicity but I wonder why those migrants from far away Spain and Morroco choose to come to Yoruba land if they dont have prior knowledge of earlier migrants to the same place. Mind you the story of the migration of this Bnai-Ephraim is known and recorded in history.

How am I sure they are converted? Well discrepancies, lack of evidence, the claim being in complete contradiction with established facts

How are you sure that they have always been Jews living in Yorùbáland?

1. There are no records of Jewish or Hebrew religion in Yorùbáland.. Not by the Sufi scholars of Gao or Timbuktu, not by the European explorers and certainly not by the Yoruba
If you are aware of records of Jewish religion before Christianity in the 19th century do share

2. Even if there were records of the presence of Jewish religion prior to Christianity (or even Islam, good luck finding evidence for that though) that would not mean that those Jews were always following the religion or that they were ancestrally descended from Hebrews

To prove that such an early Jewish presence was in fact present since the beginning of the Yoruba civilization
You would need to provide archeological evidence of Jewish art or any form of tangible Hebrew artefact that is as old as the Yoruba civilization

To prove that descendants of Hebrews indeed settle in Yorùbáland you would have to provide dna analysis tracing the modern Yoruba to 4000 year old Jews


Oh do provide the records of the Bnai Ephraim you claim are original yorubas practicing Judaism who migrated from Israel to Spain then to Yorùbáland. I would love to read a scholarly work on this migration

I also saw in that laughable oriki thread where everyone is just saying nonsense that you say Whydah is the kingdom of judah because you saw Whydah written as "Juda" on a European map
Man, how lazy can Nigerians be. Now is it too hard for you to study Whydah history and see if it is stated to be founded by Hebrews from the Kingdom of Judah or by Black West Africans?
Did you bother asking yourself why different European maps would write the name of saveral African kingdoms different? The inability of Europeans to pronounce the proper African names never occurred to you?

You got a lot to learn man

adee17:
Well if true that Yoruba ancestors left Arabia because they refused to absorb Islamic tenets, what of those that have migrated earlier than 700-800AD( peak of Islam in Arabia). Yoruba migrated in waves as earlier as 1000-2000BC and the most recent was returning from Spain and Morocco around 14-15th century thereabout following persecution. They were called Bnai-Ephraim and settled in Lagos and some in Ondo. Mind you I am not disputing your theory .

Lmao
A religion is not an ethnic group. Those are converted into Judaism making up nonsense history like converted Muslims did 200 years ago

davidnazee:
Delusion is when you say a small powerless village ruled over a mighty and powerful Kingdom.
I guess u don’t know the meaning of delusion even tho you like to play with words.

I’m not crying oo. I have never been conquered or subjugated so why I go cry?
you should be the one crying and hurt, we know your history.

Chairman of knowing the history of others
Small man fighting online war for his small people

davidnazee:
Any historical evidence for Ife within 12th and 19th centuries points to the fact that Ife was a small underpopulated village, many times abandoned and was in fear of its neighbors. That is the only evidence of Ife from those centuries.
Those evidence describes (it’s actually also documented) Ife as not great and almost non existent.
I wonder who is hurt lol. Me that my kingdom is described as great or you that yours is said to be dead lol.

Ife can be great to you, I won’t argue that but it was never Lord over Benin. It was too small and powerless to do that.

LOL. As TAO11 said "delusions"
Go and cry in your usual corner kid

davidnazee:
Any history that is narrated by only myths is fictitious to me. Anyways I’m more concerned with Ife from 12th to 19th centuries. Ife during that time was not great, was correctly acknowledged to be a small village, very underpopulated and was in constant fear of the little Yoruba Kingdoms around it.
This Ife was never lord over Benin.

It's not myth if supported by historical evidence and can be fit properly into general chronology

Also your hurt feelings don't count :* sorry baby

davidnazee:
Mugu then I shouldn’t take you and your likes seriously when u come online to claim a fictitious Ife greatness.

It's not fictitious when supported with records and reliable sources

davidnazee:
So "inferiority complex or pests" is your own words? no wonder you Yorubas also claimed Jerusalem is Ijebu, historically know as Jebu Isalem and Queen of Sheba was buried there lol.. you guys are insane.
well you claimed Benin too so I'm not really suprised..

If you have encountered any Edo man before you will know who actually sees themselves big, and those who are really small.

ọdẹ, it's not everything you read online you should take seriously.
If anyone tells you Jerusalem is Ijebu Salem how is that Yoruba people's business? Did we send the person? Does such person speak from Yoruba history?

Gtfoh with your inferiority complex when you lot have finished your online war you will rest
Ants

2prexios:
In a thousand years you will go in circles with this guys without a finish line in sight. All they want is to make the subject "inconclusive".

They never made you study Yoruba history through "Yoruba indeginous knowledge", because they don't have any idea a knowledge like that exists.

The irony is to go through modern "Oyinbo scientific knowledge" as proxy to "Yoruba history". You never get to learn anything Yoruba from this folks.

Their treasure or assets are foreign words and phrases like lower guinea, Bantu, Niger Congo etc that has no interpretation in Yoruba.

Isn't that "Historical colonialism" or "whitewashed" African history by folks blaming others for inferiority complex? So what is the difference at the end?

That's fake history bro. Fake history from precision machines and Pittsburgh hoaxes. Why not employ Yoruba tradition to tell the white man's history?

We are not dinosaurs of Sahara, we don't have to be discovered from electronic apparatus, we can tell our history the way tradition put it.

We need no 40 million of years ago to be proud of. Just allow Yoruba tradition speak as your DNA and other precision machines speaks too

That's all.

Will you keep your dumb self shut. What Yoruba indigenous knowledge do you learn Yoruba history from?
When indigenous records say Ife is the origin of yoruba, you say its a lie.
When indigenous records say oduduwa is from Òkè-Ọ̀rà you lot say no he's from the middle East

What Yoruba tradition told you that Yoruba are Hebrews? Where is the record of yoruba migration from the middle East? Where are the mentions of the places settled between the middle East and west africa?
Why did yoruba lose the culture and traditions of the middle East but clearly posses a west African culture and tradition?

Your source is the bible, you read the bible looking for Yoruba in a book that the Yoruba don't exist in.
You have no traditional source so keep quiet

davidnazee:
who is the everyone you are referring to? I don't see Benin arguing with other tribes. It's the Yoruba with their inferiority complex that tries to use Benin (the only renown greatest kingdom) as a measure of their own greatness.. you are your own pest.

Lmao. Because I say you suffer from inferiority complex you have started using my own words
We know who thinks themselves small, those who are really small

Born2Breed:
Ovbioba!!!
Ughator otemwen.


We all know the tribe who has inferiority complex. They are dominated by children of returnee slaves who are bent on re-writing history. It all started with those who had no surnames but had to adopt English/Portugues surnames.

To summarize what Ogidigan said during his coronation "tell your history and let me tell mine".

We gave them a Prince who became their god.

Edo orisiagbon!!!

Then you reduce history to mere storytelling

RamessesIV:
Just wanted to confirm ohh,before they will accuse me of eurocentrism and following white history

ibn battuta moroccan berber adventurer and historian,dude suffered from real culture shock in india and mali dude couldn't stand that women didn't cover their breasts����,he was even linked with rise of puritan islamic/jihadist movement that spread over west africa.

There's nobody I envy more than Ibn Battuta though
Dude was Mr. Worldwide

Lol. This one is not normal

MetaPhysical:


They are pushing English missionary work but they dont know it. Anything outside English missionary authority is rejected by them.

They refuse to look at Ajami, there are volumes of written work left by Portuguese and Dutch in contact with Yorubas in Lagos. They dont care about it.

I cant wait till I can break free and respond to all stuffs I missed since yesterday.

Na Oduyoye I go take flog them.

same missionaries were the ones who made your beloved mecca claim popular by putting it in several books. Without the missionaries the mecca nonsense would have died a long time ago, thank goodness its dying now


so do Portuguese and Dutch records say Yoruba originate from the middle East?
Why bring this up? How is this relevant to your attachment to the middle east?

And FYI, there are already articles and books reviewing Dutch and Portuguese contact with yorubas
Works from Robin Law, Jorge and Isabel Castellanos are just few that I have read and worked with myself


Oduyoye who was a clergy ie. Christian leader, a inheritor of the missionary work
How can you say missionaries wrote nonsense (which I mostly agree with BTW) and then take out oduyoye one of the most radical Christian preachers of his time real cognitive dissonance
You have already shot yourself in the foot before even firing the shot... What a mess

TAO11:
Lol.
1st I realized how quite easy it is to beat stretch, and twist almost any word in almost any language to mean and sound like what we want them to mean and sound like.

For example, I can beat, stretch, and twist the following English words viz. wore, iron, concern, me, our, inner, etc. to mean the following Yoruba words viz. wo, irin, kan, emi, awa, inu, etc. respectively.

I would then claim that the Yorubas are descended from Englishmen (or vice versa) --- if I have such agenda --- on the basis of such kindergaten methods.

2nd, I came across the work of a Yoruba linguist who taught in Japan and returned with many examples, in the Japanese language, of such words (legit this time around).

Yet our Yoruba people won't clutch at Japan as our roots. I realized quickly that the reason why they won't cluth in this case is simply because of the absence of any influential Japanese religion in Yorubaland.

It became too obvious that religion is the key driving-force behind most of these interesting claims.

Our people are trying to make sense of (i.e. reconcile) both their African heritage and their foreign religion just to heave some sigh of relief.

I noticed the Christian-Yoruba among such people often leans towards a Hebrew origin, while the Muslim-Yoruba among them often leans towards a Meccan origin.

3rd I know some Arabic myself, and this allows me access to the earliest, most authoritative, and most comprehensive bilingual Arabic-English lexicon (i.e. Lane's Lexicon) which is based on medieval Arabic dictionaries and classical Arabic vocabularies.

So, this helps me to have a good laugh at the claims people make with Arabic words, and to some extent Hebrew words, as the two languages are sister languages with so many cognates.

Most of the Arabic words (or even Hebrew or Egyptian words) which they claim to have so and so meaning usually do not have those meanings, and often times the supposed Arabic or Egyptian words do not even exist altogether.

This is the thing

Those so called "Cognates" they keep bringing up are rubbish when you look at it properly
Either they don't mean what they say they mean or the word doesn't exist in one or the two languages being compared

For example he still hasn't addressed how he goofed by saying Kaaba means "place of exaltation"
Watch how he runs away from that

A nairalander @olaochi once dropped the Japanese angle to try to get them to think for once on the possibility that what they are doing can be done for any two unrelated people
They were sceptical over the Japanese angle and even infuriated but say "ema" is "iye" in Yoruba and they jubilate

At a point their words didn't have to look alike anymore, just same meaning was enough. Or they go to Igbo language take "okoro" and connect it with something in Hebrew and say yes! Yoruba are Hebrew
Same igbo they say has no connection with yoruba
Or the latest was to go to Edo and take "Odion" (Version of Taye) to connect claim this was sign of Edo being Esau (Edom) and Yoruba being Jacob

I've seen interesting things

RamessesIV:
Lol the guy is a guy joker,he is still arguing about Yoruba influence and religion in the Americans ����

I'm beginning to think he actually thinks yorubas aren't in the americas and it's all a lie from the academic world as Yoruba's place as West African natives is a lie

Yoruba were noahdic, from their culture the culture of the Arabs and other semitic people of the near East was derived but Yoruba left the near East and migrated to west Africa at an unimaginable and unknowable time to fit in properly into their new home in West Africa and miraculously their Afro-asiatic language just suddenly developed Niger-Congo elements and lost the Afro-asiatic elements but is still Afro-asiatic because you know, some words like Akaba and Aramean = Oranmiyan still exist

MetaPhysical:
My friend, stop all this your nonsense. You have been on this thread since day one and other people have moved past where they were at beginning of it....you remain stuck in the same state and position, not learning and not teaching knowledge.

Is Niger Congo the ultimate yardstick to trace Yoruba ancestry, yes or no? If you say yes, then apply it to quantify spanish and portuguese speaking people you earlier admitted are Yoruba by descent. Use "methodology" to position Portuguese and Spanish into Niger Congo and Kwa grouping.

learning what? So I should learn from you who makes things up from your ass and not from qualified, peer reviewed works from scholars?
I have asked you for evidence.. You have provided none and you say I should accept what you say because it is you a semi-illiterate with no training in the field that says it

You don't even think Yoruba is Niger-Congo so what's this
Go and answer my questions and stop running

Such a coward and dishonest illiterate. If you can't answer admit it and gtfoh

MetaPhysical:
He is a fraud!

He is trapped in his own Niger Congo advocacy and cant get out. Now he is trying to say I made a 180 turn from my position on day 1 of the thread.

He now admits that people can be linked via religious and spritual beliefs, independent of linguistic grouping. Can you imagine?

I am a fraud says the semi - illiterate who says to figure out Yoruba history you don't need academic principles and scholarly disciplines but a creative mind

When a person who has below average knowledge of yoruba language, traditions and history and same for that of the middle East but nonetheless tries to connect these two without any evidence but calls another who is involved in the study of the Yoruba both traditionally and academically a fraud
What irony

Where did I admit such to you?
And I thought you said linguistic groupings by scholars were wrong? Only your language grouping is correct. You claim Yoruba is Afro-asiatic not Niger-Congo so what is your interest with scholars linguistic groupings now if not just to make excuses?

I will repeat myself for the last time
1. There exists records of Afro descendants in the americas coming from Africa. We have names, dates and vivid details of their journey
2. Genetic studies reveal that afro descendants in the americas are indeed from Africa and its not just a mere statement but a fact
3. Linguistic groupings doesn't mean languages of different groups cannot be used by a single people or that a people cannot adopt a language from a different language group
I know you're not bright but come on. We are writing in English right now and even some with yoruba parents in Yorùbáland today don't speak Yoruba but English alone

So afro descendants can speak different languages from that of their homeland that doesn't mean the people are original speakers of Spanish or English or Portuguese
There exist however traces of African languages in their form of Portuguese, Spanish, French and English
African Words and Semantics carried into French, English, Portuguese and Spanish to form a creole (it wouldn't be called a creole if it was original to them)
Like Turkish people carried words into the turkic language they adopted after their switch from a Persian - related language

I literally have to tell you the most basic things

Your bid to use the model of African diaspora to further your Yoruba semitic movement is void of common sense
And also not consistent with your general argument
Because you argue that you have words to show Yoruba is not Niger-Congo but Afro-asiatic
Why then are you saying "people linked, independent of linguistic grouping"?

Your main argument is not that linguistic groupings are not valid, what's not valid according to you is the grouping of yoruba with other West African languages that have nothing to do with semitic people

Go back and answer my questions from my 3 previous posts that you ran away from

MetaPhysical:
Please represent with orderliness. This is all jumbled up. I will answer everyone of your question but present it in order and possibly as separate posts.

You have some good questions there and I will answer them all.

More excuses
That was a response to every point you made.

If it appears jumbled up then that should tell you something about the post it was in response to

RamessesIV:
Bro is not today,Igbo's do it two,look for similarities to lash,forget scrunity or proper empiricism,bunch of discrepencies they are calling facts,I don't get the obsession with sub-saharan africa countries with northafrica/middle east if they are not claiming culture from their,they are claiming they were the original ones there I thought instagram was worst till I came to nairaland

. Youtube is the worst of all
I have run many out of nairaland

I actually would enjoy the fantastic stories if they were not trying to replace their fantasy with history. It is so sickening to see that they actually mean it to the bone
They have been psychologically sired to the middle east

@tao11 how did you even realise there was something off with this sort of claims?

Roycemadeit:
I saw a post you made in 2011 on Christianity and it's inquisition, that prompted me to look through the other threads you have created. I must say I am very impressed. Unfortunately, many of us have no mind of our own, what we have is what the white man told. If only we could go back to our traditional religion, we would be better off. At least we wouldn't have politicians embezzle funds after been sworn in by an authentic jazz.

Thank you very much.
It's not easy growing out of religion and the older you get in religion the harder it is to grow out of it
I was fortunate to be critical at a young age and question everything

There's no gainsaying, Africa cannot have a surge of development and advancemen with a huge Renaissance that will contain the depowerment of these foreign religions

MetaPhysical:

What is your evidence that Kaaba means place of exaltation
Every dictionary gives the definition of Cube, Square

Don't run

You didn't address so many points and just make excuses and jump to more claims

OK, now you have said you never claimed the Yoruba are semitic but rather the semitic people derived their culture, traditions and language from the Yoruba who used to live in the middle East long before the supposed time of Abraham
That should put the Yoruba presence in that region to earlier than 2000BC
Never forget this, because I know you suck at chronology

How come the studies on semitic culture and language hasn't been found to descend from or be influenced by the Yoruba?
The semitic people have had a writting culture for over 4000 years, meaning they possessed the ability to retain history better than civilizations without writing culture
One major reason silly people are quick to conclude that Africa had no history

Now let's say ok, Yoruba who civilized the semitic people, left them and went down to West Africa
Somehow they lost the writing culture of the middle East?
I would have said they also lost their language but you claim Yoruba is still an Afro-asiatic language.. So oK

You used the example of afro descendants in the americas and asked how do we know they are really afro descendants?
Well first thing is that there are records of it from 3 continents
1. Africa where they came from
2. Europe who was involved in their transportation
3. America where they arrived

And no evidence exists to debunk these records
But evidence exists to support them

Now my further questions are
What records from Yorùbáland exist and what records from the middle exist.. That state Yoruba were in the middle East? Under what names were the Yoruba called in the middle East? because we know the Yoruba never had a single name to refer to all speakers of the Yoruba language so surely the Yoruba were not a unified group when they were in the middle East right?

MetaPhysical:
Which semitic people are you talking about? Who has ever said Yoruba were semitic people? I think you are mixing things up.

I have always said here that Yoruba is not Arab and Yoruba is not Jewish, Yoruba remain an authentic race. Even if Yoruba is found to be origination in Afro-Asia it was the parent or progenitor to those we call Arabs and Israelites today because both came from Abraham, a descendant to Noah. While Jews and Arabs are ABRAHAMIC, it is believed Yorubas are NOAHDIC.

So in order of ancestry I could never place Yoruba under a Semite or protoSemite. However, the language is proto-Semitic.

Semitism came out of Akkadian and Canaan - both were Nohadic in spirituality. The people who settled and assimilated the Semitic language is what is called Semitic race today but they are not the original speakers of semitic tongue.

Don't mix this up again.

I could easily just end this by asking you what your source for this "it is believed Yoruba are noahdic" and "Yoruba Language is proto-semitic".. But let's go on and analyse the whole post, I will ask you later

isn't Abraham a descendant of Noah according to Hebrew narratives?
I am unsure of what Arabs say
(@RamessesIV. Can you educate me on this as you would know more about this)

So logically Abrahamics are Noahdics too.

And earlier you said Arabs descended from Ad now you say they descended from Abraham
Why the inconsistencies? You don't get to shift argument like that what da heck

And don't tell me I'm mixing anything up, you lack consistency and all 4 of you (absoluteSuccess, olu317 and obalufon included) support each other but when you get called out and you have no come back, you switch to a new argument and leave your brothers in the cold.

How was that supported.... did they mention names, tribes, towns, family compound....or was this support just on the strength that we both share same rituals and worship?

wait what exactly are you doing? Are you seriously implying the black people of the americas are not African?
Because you need to be clear on that

But to address the question.. yes several enslaved Africans who were born in Africa and regained freedom mentioned their original names and described their homeland and family in Africa. And in some cases descendants of an enslaved African born retained information about their homeland like in the case of Kunta Kinte's descendants

For an enslaved people forced to lose their identity that is impressive....

Oludah Equiano, Cudjo Lewis, Ayuba Suleiman Diallo and Abdul-Rahman ibn Sori are only few examples
If you are interested in the topic of enslaved Africans go and get their biographies and autobiographies because I don't get why you even think this is comparable to your claim of yoruba originating from the middle East

Masjid is what Arabs call Temple. It is derived from Sigid, meaning to prostrate. This is taken from its original, Sigidi, a Yoruba word. Yoruba keep Sigidi in shrine and in acts of worship we prostrate to the deity represented by it. "More sensible people" will see a relationship in this and it supports a cognate between the two places.

To stretch this further, when Islam came to Mecca, Masjid was adopted as the name to call Muslim Mosques. Yoruba muslims don't call it Masjid, instead we borrowed from Hausa to call it Moshalashi. It makes sense....there was no sigidi in it. So the linkage of Yoruba with Mecca is supported at both ends, with Yoruba turning out as the original.

Shake your Islamic attachment loose so you can see. Traces of Orisha worship remain till date in Mecca as it does in Brazil or Cuba or Puerto Rico.


[s]Look, you don't have any similar anything with yoruba language and Afro-asiatic languages prior to the relatively recent establishment of trade and borrowing of Arabic words. And these borrowed words are very recognisable
There's even a list on nairaland [/s]


I can't deal with this level of ignorance and intellectual blindness to facts

Except Sigidi doesn't mean to "prostrate". It refers to a clay effigy, the very core nature of the word "sigidi" is the characteristic of the object not that people prostrate to it or sing to it or pour oil on it. The name has nothing to do with the actions people do with it


Furthermore, you would have to explain the evolution of the word Shigidi to Sujud and apply same method to many other words to get your desired Cognates

Im not new to you here. I do not concern myself with genetical links. I only threw that in since you brought it up. My own focus is on religious, spirituality, culture and words of expression and their corresponding phenomenon. Nothing more...



Obadio will not be the custodian of Yoruba oral history. His role is that of a priest. That role of historical recount is usually with bards and arokin. The oral history is there nonetheless.

You don't concern yourself with genetics but you bragged about possessing sources that state Yoruba and bedoiuns share same haplogroup

Another change of argument

And the role of a priest is what? If not to hold knowledge of what he is a priest of
He is the priest of oduduwa yet you say his role is not to posses information about Oduduwa's origin?
Where do arokin get their information from if not from the priests and families themselves?
If an arokin comes and sings something he heard from someone else about my family in a bid to surprise me, so I can't tell the arokin that his informant is wrong?
Arokin are mere praise singers

MetaPhysical:
God bless you! This has always been my position. This thread is vast....if you start from page1 to where we are one you will see a consistency in my position.

In fact, this has also been the position of absolutesuccess (prexios). Same with Obalufon and Olu13.

Lmao.
This is some drastic 180 turn

Even the topic of the thread shows you are lying

You all have been promoting the idea of yoruba having semitic heritage, of being the people(or among) talked about in the bible

MetaPhysical:
Don't inject sentiments of their psychological state in this exchange. It is agreed that the cross-Atlantic slaves suffered and were oppressed and stripped of their identity. That is not what my post was about. If you didnt understand it, read again and resubmit to show underatanding.

there's no reason not to bring that fact up. You talk about enslaved Africans and question their Africanness for whatever reason, be it as a joke or silly excuse to further your semitic obsession
The first fact to raise is that slavery is oppressive and entails a huge lose of identity

Again, I ask were the semitic people who you claim migrated to populate Yorùbáland enslaved and forced to forget their homeland?

Because you are the one comparing this to slavery

Are those traces not coincidence? How are those traces between Yoruba and Atlantic diaspora traced to be co-rooted but similar traces in Yoruba and Afro-Asiatic dismissed as coincidents and non-cognates? Is that not bias?









Exactly! Thank you!
So its not about Niger Congo when we discuss Atlantic footprints but when the rituals of Yoruba is revealed to be a mirror with the practices and rituals in pre-Islamic Mecca then Niger Congo is thrown in.

You guys are frauds!




You continue to attach to the idea that Yoruba came out of Islam or a Abrahamic faith. This is your problem. You are stuck in that precept and refuse to shake it loose.

There are two possibilities -
1. Yoruba was an original inhabitant of Canaan and subsequently Mecca and subsequently Niger Benue (Old Ife).

2. Yoruba was originally Niger Benue (Old Ife) then Yemen then Mecca and returned via Sudan to Waddai to Dafur to Kukawa back to Niger Benue.

Which one is it?
We are tracing footprints to discover if 1 is the corrwct story or if its 2. Nothing is assumed or ruled out. Period!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQBG_0ShlUs

Yes, because this must be a coincidence.

More sensible people know it cannot be a coincidence because this supports the records of African slaves in the americas

Where are the records of semitic slaves in Yorùbáland


Look, you don't have any similar anything with yoruba language and Afro-asiatic languages prior to the relatively recent establishment of trade and borrowing of Arabic words. And these borrowed words are very recognisable
There's even a list on nairaland


I can't deal with this level of ignorance and intellectual blindness to facts

Even the Yoruba deities are strictly West African.. So just what ritual or worship footprint?

Similar studies show genetic link between Yoruba and Bedouin. I will be shocked if you don't know that....and I'd be more than happy to share if you dont already have the info.




When you say local, are you referring to oral traditions? We have oral traditions that link Yoruba to Mecca.

Lmao
First of all Yoruba do not have their own personal haplogroup or something. It's a haplogroup shared amongst West and Central Africans.. With little traces in other regions
Same applies for Semitic people like the Bedouin you keep mentioning who are majorly of the J-haplogroup
So if you are looking for Yoruba and bedouin haplogroups. I think that research is already done
and to suggest Yoruba and bedouin share same haplogroup is to imply that all of Africa and western Asia share same haplogroup


Secondly, the mecca story is not traditional
I have been through this
The traditional narrative has always been Òkè-Ọ̀rà

Go to the Obadio

gregyboy:
Benins never originated any yoruba or igbo people

We all are different people stop turning history to myth

This is the problem we are trying to correct between benin-ife connection that was made up
For political reasons,

Scholars are putting thier heads debunk this myth the energy scholars would have put in reassessing other aspect of our history is now been wasted on debunking myth.....



Op shut your trap you're not an edo person because no edos as ever lay such useless claim of yours


The more this myth are created the more stress it gives scholars debunking while the real history is left unattended to

What scholars?

gregyboy:
Is Oduduwa from the middle east

Capital No.

That's like asking if George Washington was from East Asia

MetaPhysical:
This response is inaccurate.

Canaanites were the pre-Arab occupiers. Bedouins (Bedu) were the indigeneous people of Mecca and its sorroundings as well the land later known as Arabia.

The progenitor of Arab was Ad. From Ad came Yarib who founded the Arab clans.

Many of the customs in Arab culture were copied from Bedouins. Many of the worship and rituals in Arab were copied from Canaanites. Their philosophy of a supreme being and deity worship of 360 gods was introduced via Orisha, Irubo of the Yoruba Canaanites. The center of that cult worship is the Kaaba.

Even after Islam came to them, traces of Yoruba rituals is found in the new religion. This is heavy in the Hajj rituals, beginning with the dress mode in white loins, shaving of head for men, circumambulation, kissing of the black stone, and so on.

Oh boy

MetaPhysical:
It is said that enslaved Yorubas took our cults with them and supplant it in Brazil, in Cuba, in Puerto Rico.

The event of 18th to 19th century.

Yoruba did not know we had people in these places. We did not have written record of people sold or their destination. When they arrived on other side their Yoruba names, language and tribes were stripped. They learnt and spoke a new language completely unrelated to the one you call Niger Congo.

Can you say there is relationship between Niger Congo Yoruba and Latin language - Portuguese, Spanish? There is none. Yet you cannot deny those people are Yoruba when you hear them use words like Babaluaye, Orica, Orixa, Chango, Alafia, Ache, Yemoja in spiritual worship. Are these words coincidences?

Since we had no written record of them and our language is not related , how then did we connect them to us? Can you explain this?

Lmao this is funny and sad at the same time.


1. The afro descendants of the americas were taken as slaves, oppressed and deliberately made to lose much of their culture and identity

Were the semitic people who you claim migrated to West Africa to become the Yoruba enslaved, oppressed and forced to forget their homeland?

2. Despite slavery, among Afro descendants in the americas, there exist cultural and linguistic evidence.
From the traceable African influence on African American vernacular to Jamaican patois to Haitian Creole to Colombian Palenquero.


3.Genetic Analyses shows that like West and Central Africans the Afro descendants in the americas are of the E1b1a haplogroup

4. All over West Africa, local records exist of the existence of slave raiders, and the white man's role in transporting captured people away.
Why do you think Facial marks became necessary in Yorùbáland?
Even tales of the white man being "gbọmọ gbọmọ" was rife.
That Yoruba did not have a writing culture is no opportunity for you to twist things... There are other forms of records

5. Despite slavery we can see that not all former slaves lost their identity.
The afro Cubans for example were clear that many of them originated from the Olukumi country ie. Yorùbáland
And to prove it they still retained the worship of Yoruba deities

Please tell me the Semitic deities we have in Yorùbáland? Or the Islam or Christianity we have prior to recent interactions with Muslim traders and Christian missionaries.
Depending on when you claim these Arabs and Hebrews migrated to Yorùbáland


6. And if all this doesn't add up to you.. If you can only work with written records.. There are countless written records by Europeans on how many captured Africans they took from various coasts and where they dropped them off.



You are just obsessed with semitic people, all your excuses are frankly embarrassing