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How often do somalians travel to Nigeria? And majorly on wat purposes?

striktlymi: I hope we understand the task?

Pagan 9ja is not here, please inform him.


Thanks!

Am so sorry, but I do not understand the task

And what exactly is the duty of the names which you compiled?

When does the voting start cause that's what am really interested in and not all these preparations(not that am not in for any time am needed but it just doesn't seem fun)

my biafran friends I hail o.

We sef are tired of Nigeria,

Up Oduduwa nation!!!

presiade: In what way(s) IS Egypt better than Israel?
Ancient Egypt was saved by the God (of Israel and all flesh) through the founding fathers of Israel, even before the nation-Israel- was established!
The greater is the one who most times saves or help the lesser now, abi!

I have been to both countries and I have read their history, I follow world economies and their developments. Egypt is by far better than Israel.

If not for the political problems Egypt is facing now, God would help them

italo: The simple question you are incapable of answering is: WHO TAUGHT YOU THESE?

Orunmila has given us insights and I have acquired knowledge of my own

May Orunmila bless you with wisdom. Ase!

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]yeahh but for that guy to know, you have to tie him up to a seat with ropes and place him in an empty room and speak to him.[/quote] lmao. The dude annoys me but I just feel obligated to show people my opinion and make them see the light to escape mental slavery

italo: I see you are ashamed to say who taught you to limit God.

People like you only know how to criticize other people's faith without even understanding your own faith or even knowing what you're talking about.

God can never be brought down to earth to live as a man. No way, it's impossible, God is pure energy dat controls the universe and so every man including u and I are sons of God, human manifestations of God, but we are not God. Why then do u err by confidently proclaiming a dead Jew as God almighty, who came to live among men?

JMAN05: that is purely illogical cos you ve not seen Plato, Aristotle, Pythagoras, but you believe they existed, not so?

because I have read about them, read about people who knew them, I have seen images of them, there are more than one book talking about what they have contributed to the world. I have read books written by Aristotle himself, although translated from Greek to English.

But Jesus has no image, unless the once made 300 years after his death, which aren't his real face. No book except the Bible talks about Jesus. However I have spoken to Jews that claim Mary was a halot just like Jesus's ancestors(prostitution flows through his lineage) that alone debunks the Bible, because the Bible claims he Mary was a virgin mother. There really is no evidence to back up the existence of such a great man as yeshua

striktlymi: macof welcome what happened?

What about pagan?

phcn wahala. Just managed to get my battery to.30%

[quote author=m.k.o2005]The biblical God is the God of all and treats us as HE pleases irrespective of what you think !HE knows what is best for us !

God help us[/quote]the biblical God knew wat was best for the amalakites when he ordered for Israel to totally murder them

[quote author=m.k.o2005]The Israeli nation wouldn't hav been extinct becos there was a covenant with God ! Extinction of the Israeli nation before now would had mean God lied ! But ofcourse 'WE' know God can not Lie irrespective of what you believe.

God help us[/quote]Yes I know God cannot lie, but the God of the Bible is a master of lies

Mintayo: this ur confusion get as e be o,the last time i checked,God has no business with Egypt,He didnt make any covenant with them but only the Israelites,na wa o!

God of Israel might not have business with Egypt but God of the omniverse has always been with Egypt.

presiade: It is a big lie! Joseph only came to the rescue when all attempts by the socerers in Egypt failed! Their god ('or' or so) failed them because He was no GOD!
They went to bring Joseph from the prison to unravel the mystery, which only God almighty can solve!

that same Egypt dat u excuse of not having a God, was is and would always be better than Israel that has a God

FOLYKAZE: Bros, i so much respect your intellectual awakeners and exploration of Yoruba spirituality. But I found out that you are westernenizing Yoruba terminologies and it seem it corrupting, degrading each terms.

Lets start from the myth tag. This is problematical as it cut down the symbolic and metaphoric meaning. This brought problem into translating terms like 'Eku ile'.....even though we force meaning like 'welcome' to it, it lost it core meaning there henceforth.

Like you said ABORISA is religion. Lets analyse it

Aborisa = A + Ebo + Orisa

A = Person (like afoju....it plural pronoun use for respect for personalities. You cant call elder 'o' but 'e' or 'a'. E.g awon daddy lo so ~ this doesn't implies many daddy)

Ebo = Nourishment (wife bo husband ~ wife nourishing husband..)

Orisa = selected consciousness

Therefore, Aborisa is the person who nourish consciousness. I dont see how this relate with religion.

The reason why I try to modernize the Yoruba belief is for non-Yoruba to understand and make sense out of it. It isn't as if am trying to perform some kind of Evangelism or westernize it.

I didn't create the term "aborisha"- high leveled babalawos did so as to make the world understand that the Orisha and Ifa is nt just Yoruba.but about the world. We have catholic, orthodox, pentecostal, Jehovah witness, Anglican Christians. But they all worship Jesus.

In that same sense Santeria, candomble and the rest are refered to as Aborisha. Because we all worship The Orishas.

It is left for the individual to have a good relationship with the Orisha of his choice, however in santeria, the orisha is the one dat makes the choice. But of course it has never been a must to honor any orisha. You choice to out of free will.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]Ifa is not a religion in itself. It is a part of Yoruba religion.


I do not consider all these new South AMerican variants as pure religion.[/quote]Yes. Santeria, candomble and the rest are not genuine. Not only have they mixed with catholism but they have little difference in the characterization of the orishas.

But these religions were established by Yorubas, and they are very into Ifa as much as the original Yoruba

I know you to be a man who supports pure paganism and I expect you to debunk santeria and the other South American variants as nt being pagan but the truth is where ever a man stays and worships the gods of his fathers he would still be referred as pagan. It's now left to the non-Yoruba origin South Americans to decided if they join in the worship and embrace Yoruba beliefs.

Royver: I had to laugh when I saw this your post. Are u SERIOUSLY trying to rationalize The Alpha and omega? Or have u forgotten he conceived himself in Mary's womb without any physical contact? How about the "simple issue" of rising from the dead?(am not even going to mention making the deaf hear or the blind see or the dumb speak-too 'easy'). You cannot cage the powers of The Master of the Universe, dear. You either accept it on faith now or at the end of time. Your call.

So Jesus is God for making the blind see, and making the deaf hear and raisin one dead man.

Ezekiel raised an army he gloried God

Obokun healed Oduduwa of old age blindness, he gave God the glory

Oranmiyan's personal babalawo healed Eweka of his dumbness he gave Olodumare the glory

And many other miracles performed throughout the world. And you call a mere Jew God.

You say Jesus was born without male conception, well if you ask a Jew, he would tell you Mary was a prostitute/halot just like many of Jesus's ancestors

presiade: No, I'm not crazy (but you should check yourself)!
Having said that, if Joseph hadn't interpreted (and proferred solution to) your almighty Pharaoh's dreams where would the nation called Egypt be, even with her mighty army in the face of 7 years drought and famine?
As for those saying Israel would have gone extinct as well, I disagree; God would have provided another source survival for Isreal (as he demonstrated in the wilderness- He rained Manna)!
I suggest you read Genesis 41.

God would have also found a way for Egypt if Joseph hadn't interpreted the dream.

[quote author=m.k.o2005]Only God can take people like you serious becos HE cares about ur soul and want's to save you !

God help us[/quote]Of course you don't have to tell me that I know.

God is the giver of soul, and it's only normal to care about my soul and to save me from danger, lack of knowledge and mental slavery

Mintayo: interestingly...you should read the Bible more and think more.
What if Joseph did not interprete pharaoh's dream?
If you look at the life of Joseph very well,you will see that God was with Him; also,without Egypt,God would stil provide a way for the israelites.
Joseph going to Egypt and saving them plus Egypt later ruling over Israel for 400+ yrs was not an accident...God had already told Abraham about it...

where did God tell Abraham?

[quote author=For wetin nah?]Helloooo..Isreal (Jacob)was just a FAMILY then, Egpyt was already a NATION. The Isrealites(Jacobs sons) were NOT the only people who went to buy food from EGYPT then. As a nation, EGYPT stored more food. God has his ways..joseph was in Egypt for a REASON![/quote]we are still saying the same thing.

If Egypt was affected by the famine, Israel wud have been extinct before they even started

striktlymi: Um...I just need to know if you guys are available to be part of the team?

sure thing

JMAN05: read Annals. the reference is above. Josephus also spoke of him.

did the authors of this books know him? did anyone who wrote of him ever met him?

presiade: If Joseph did not save Egypt in the first place, where would Egypt or Pharaoh be about 430 years after...?

Egypt would probably be extinct. But so would the Israelites even before they became a nation, because there would have been no Egypt to feed them

italo: No. God was truthful when he said (in the Bible) that he was the only God.

God was also truthful in inspiring Isaiah to proclaim Jesus (in the same Bible): "Eternal Father, " "Mighty God."

God was also right in inspiring John to proclaim Jesus (in the same Bible) as the "Word that was with God" yet "the Word that was God."

Jesus was truthful in proclaiming himself "the alpha and omega; beginning and end."

God knew what he was saying when he said "Let US make man in OUR own image."

Now can you answer my questions?

If your compiled piece of papers can proclaim a Jew as God and you believe.

Anyone can believe that Superman is real

striktlymi: You were selected to be a member of the planning committee precisely because we do not want the 'PDP style' of election. If anything goes wrong, then you and the rest of the crew would be held responsible.

It is your show, run it in the best way possible.



Um...they have their own section. This is unique to just the Religion section (excluding Islam).



We still have two more slots to fill. Feel free to nominate any two who you believe can do the job.

Please, kindly confirm your availability.


Thanks!

About that email? I can't access my email with the current browser am using

nokingasgod: I agree with you almost in totality but disagree with your perception of Jesus, the Christ. Christ may rightfully be termed the Son of God because He was and still is, a part of God deployed on earth out of the Love of God for Redemption of mankind. Apart from this, all other assertions you made, I think, are correct.

Ok. You seem to have me interested in learning about your views of Jesus/yeshua. Pls tell me wat you believe.

Pls I'll appreciate if u avoid Bible passages. I don't take the Bible seriously

[quote author=Bidam][/quote]wats this one saying Do you know Aristotle?

Aristotle supported Phyragoras claim of a spherical earth around 330BC

In fact non of the apostles or any thing in the bible ever contributed to world science. It's too lame brain to be true

kizmartino: yours is so rediculous..

They were deify by whom..same mere mortals..

We serve God(creator of the whole universe including sango,oduduwa,oranmiya etc) and Jesus isn't a mere mortal..He transformed his being..just like you people claim oduduwa did

now you are revealing the fraud of christianity

So Jesus transformed himself into God? Lol this is interesting

Oduduwa was a god right from the beginning of time, and Ifa had prophesied that he would become king at Ile-Ife, that is why no one was king over the whole Ife before Oduduwa.


I agree God(Olodumare) is the creator of everything including Oduduwa, Sango, Oranmiyan etc. but don't act as if Jesus is any special.

If u say Jesus was an extra ordinary man, and was deified after death, I'll believe but not that he is God, or that he is the only son of God.

I am also a son of God, my father Oduduwa is also a son of God, so wat is special about Jesus?

You think if some Yorubas were as conning and shameless like some apostles they wouldn't have come up with a Messiah of the world story for Oduduwa, Oduduwa was our Messiah from heaven and we accepted him, we didn't go around shouting believe and worship him.

The major population of Jews rejected Jesus upon the prophecy of a Messiah coming. What is now my business with a Jewish Messiah whom the Jews don't even believe in?

splashybone: l.God's word the Bible provides us with the most satisfying answers only if we are ready to accept it. When we see ring of truth can we accept it as truly God's word or do we still have doubts
1. John 3:16 answers God loved the world so much that He gave his only begotten son that whoever BELIEVES will not be destroyed but have everlasting life
2. Jesus is not the only criteria for us to inherit God's kingdom why? John 17:3 answers this means everlasting life the taking in knowledge of You the Only true God and the one whom u sent forth Jesus Christ.
3. The Bible made it clear that its not everyone will make Heaven rather its only a selected few whose responsibility it is to rule with Christ in Heaven Rev 5:10 made it clear the work these selected few will be doing while the remaining great crowd of other sheep will inherit the earth Psalms 36:9,10,11&29
4.Almost all the prophets prior to Jesus Christ prophesied about him and all the things said about him fulfilled
5.Hell actually means the common grave of mankind. meaning all humans whether good or bad will go there
6. Even from a human stand point it was not possible to do that recognizing that fact made Jesus to trained people to carry on the word to the most distant part of the earth
7.It is my him only we will have salvation that why in the name of Jesus every kneel whether in heaven except He that gave him such authority and the ones on earth must bow. We don't worship Jesus because God alone should be worshipped and rendered sacred service even in Jesus' reply to Satan's temptation proved this point
8. refer to 5&7
9.Cornelius still was a gentile and much good was attributed to him.
10.Its so because they are a people special to God
11.If u can recall the convenant God entered with Abraham that my means of his seed all nations on earth will bless themselves. Jacob who was renamed Israel started that nation. That seed the primary part was Jesus Christ but. when the Jews refused to accept the provision of life God offered He now threw the invitation open why because God is not partial but the man that fears Him us agreeable to Him.
So my friends pls do not fight with Words or abuse yourselves rather give it a careful thought pls

I even forgot to redress this post

1. So because John said so, I should foolishly believe without using my common sense. I could write a book telling people to believe in sango or perish. The fear of that verse is wat drives u all. Fear- because it is a very compelling statement. "believe or perish" but my ancestors didn't believe and they did not perish.

2. Still on the same point as 1.

3. I asked "what ur ancestors said about heaven and how to make heaven" not what the Jews said about heaven and how to make heaven.
Or are u Jew?

4. Are all the prophets in the Bible your ancestors? Isaiah was the only one dat made a prophecy about a Messiah. Show me any Bible verse other than Isaiah's dat talked about any Messiah
Note: Joshua, Moses, Nehemiah Deborah, Esther etc.were ones Messiah of the Jews. Wat makes Jesus the Messiah of the world, not just the Jews? Is it because the Jews rejected him his disciples changed his story to Messiah of the world?

5. Where have you learnt that from? Is dat ur personal opinion, or from the Bible? The English and many European nations believe that but I don't think the Jews(whom u follow) believe that.

6. But isn't Jesus God himself?, can't he do all things? Is he not the light of the world? Why show light to only Israel?

7. U didn't answer the question but going by ur blab, I can resolve that you believe Jesus because the Bible said so
The Bible that is written by ordinary men.

8. I take Yes! as the answer

9. Cornelius was a gentile(meaning foreigner in Hebrew). How convenient for Paul to give cornelius good attributes, since he was to convert to christianity and attribute bad to non-Christians, but Moses attributes bad to non-Jews. So I wonder wat category makes you really bad- non-Christian or non-Jew? how about not being Jew or Christian?

10. So God created the universe, and all the nations of the earth but biasly chooses one nation over the others, it's not like that helped them because they have never been a world power and they were made colonies to several nations. This point is untrue and made up by the Jews to make themselves feel special.

11. So assuming they accepted Jesus, all other nations won't be free, so that means right from the beginning the God of Israel had no plan for the gentiles, but he got angry at the Jews and gave the gentiles a chance. You are really full of sh*t

kizmartino: @macof..

What god(s) do you claim your fore-fathers serve

Were they not mere mortals

mere mortals like sango, an extraordinary man, that controlled fire when he died he became deified, much like Hercules of the greeks who possessed unbelievable strength and endurance, but was deified after death.

However before sango, the Yorubas had a thunder and lightening god called "jakuta".

We worship gods, we worship God.
www.nairaland.com/1463158/aborisa-yoruba-religion

But you people worship man and claim he is God. That is just stupid

I feel this awards thing would be like a typical Nigerian elections. Christians are like PDP having all the mods and population, and we all know how discriminative and bias Christians are.

I see no slot for muslims.

I think we have Jews, Buddhists and Hindus on NL let them come out for recognition so we know if they deserve a slot

JMAN05: 1. out of point. try again.

2. do you need the one written by angels?

3. that is not the answer to the question. second chance.

4. abeg which of the questions did you answer? what did they serve Him with, His word the bible or what? one question remain unanswered.

5. thanks. hope u are cleared.

6. read well man. Your responds is out of context.

7. out of context. try again.

8. replace "Ijew" with "jews" in above. what is your point?

9. refer to your question.

10. Prove.

11. Prove.

I have no more need to educate you.

I see that you reject education on the slightest sight of it.

I pray Orunmila blesses u with wisdom. Ase!