₦airaland Forum

prolog2:
keep quiet, you have never been a history student.
I have engaged you in the past and you didn't know the first thing about history.
You have been claiming that you were a history student for more than 6 years now.
Do people ever graduate in that imaginary school of yours ?

what's this fool saying?

AxxeMan:
Don't mind that bastard lunatic

your father is the bastard lunatic that could not give you a legacy
Wasted 2 generations

davidnazee:
Jealous idiot go and find out how old Benin City is before u start spitting rubbish.

bini city founded by Oba Ewedo in the 14th century
I happen to study history you deep shiit

My annoyance at you moronic elements is not because I am Yoruba, it is because I am a passionate history student

davidnazee:
Are u from Kush, Mali or Wagadu? Foolish unknown idiot.

As expected the foolishness in your genes will manifest itself.

You claimed bini is the oldest and largest kingdom in Africa, I mentioned 3 older and larger kingdoms
And this is your response? Look at the shameless piece of worthless shiit

Aizenosa:
It's quite funny when you Yoruba speaking people because of ur number begins to claim superiority to people who gave you unity, even ur king ooni was told and showed evidence of where he came from and guess what he closed his mouth and learned but u his subjects will not hear word, all ur kings of those days were buried in Benin because we regarded ur king as a class of the oba as at then, there are still evidence till today to show you, its until u lots started seeking for approval left and right that that stopped, even the oba of Lagos case is still fresh, so please u yorub alots should stop spewing rubbish u know nothing of. Even the Benin history dates before your own.

another bini fool again

Why? What is wrong with this people?

davidnazee:
Hahaha.. You make me laugh.
Black Africans came out of the Edo people.
Benin kingdom is the first African kingdom, it is the oldest and also the last African kingdom.
Benin kingdom existed before Christ.
Earliest civilization in West Africa was Edo people.
We were first to form a civilized society.

wtf! This is a classic example

Bini oldest kingdom? This fool has never heard of Kush, Mali, Wagadu and so many others that were older and larger than Bini

FisifunKododada:
I have stayed out of this Yoruba- Bini issue on NL. But I realized that keeping kwayet is making this little villagers think they can talk to us anyhow. So, I have decided I will command the wind to blow so that every1 can see fowl yanch. I have not even started anything yet. Until you learn to keep to your little village East of Ore, you will continue to gba-abode on this Yoruba owned forum.

By the way how many major roads go through that village? Isn't there an Ijaw king scaring the little village shade wearing headmaster as we speak?

Edo people are the most unintelligent piece of shits on this forum, every single one that identifies with Bini

I'm amazed! I wonder why Yorubas have been allowing them so far

AxxeMan:
Don't ever Put Edo in the same sentence as Yoruba!!....greatness and Fraud don't mix!!

this ones hatred for yorubas will still land him a juicy heart attack

fucktoto:
nobody worships idols?

then tell me what pagans do with the lifeless, wooden dummies they keep in their shrines and chant meaningless incantations to? are they toys?

i don't care if you call the crucifix an idol - i'm not a catholic and i don't support their form of worship. but the bible is a book of knowledge of God just like the qur'an.

You should probably educate yourself from appropriate sources not church and religious propaganda

Simple Wikipedia explanation would enlighten you on the meaning and etymology of certain words before you throw them around and insult people in the process

That I make a wooden image of sango and place it in my alter does not mean I'm worshipping the image... are you dumb to not know that?

Bible is an idol unfortunately for you

fucktoto:
i don't think following the white man's religion is the cause of enslavement and domination among races and tribes. it has nothing to do with it at all. it's man's nature to be greedy, and greed breeds the desire to cheat, to secure power and dominate.

even in the time past when idol worshiping was rampant in africa, men were not united. one tribe would think their own god was superior to the other tribe's. then they would go to war, kill and maim, usurp lands and properties. they didn't have the kind of weapons used today, but if they did they would still use them. the black race lived in ignorance for centuries. admittedly, the damages wouldn't have been as bad as we witness now, neither would there have been improvements.

Wtf!
1. Nobody worships idols. It is your dumb Christian propaganda. Using idols doesn't mean worshipping idols.. for your info. Crucifix, bible, kabbah(in islam) are idols, your picture of Jesus and statues of saints are all idols

2. Africans never waged religious wars... pagans generally do not fight for their Gods.. they fight for economic and political reasons

PAGAN9JA:
Gaddamn tribeless oyinbo are coming here to accept our Gods and here we have full blooded Nigerians from some great tribes and great cultures and spiritual heritage who cant even respect the faith of their ancestors.

Nigeria can be such a Great Nation if we all return to the Gods of our ancestors and construct great shrines to the Gods and centres of nature worship and spirituality.

but unfortunately we chose to serve corrupt pastorpreneurshops and deadly imams. Tufiakwa!

The only time these hypocrites consult oracles is when they have evil intentions at their heart. Why cant we use our great spiritual knowledge for good.

Unfortunately the real African traditional religion is dying out with our elders in the villages while touts are being promoted.


Check out these fake new shrines in some places . they are not the real thing. They dont even have proper idols representing Gods. They just make a dirty mess and call it a shrine. In the past every tribe knew how to carve idols in their unique cultural sense to symbolize the Gods but that knowledge is almost extinct. And each feature of the carving had a unique symbolization. It was not random. Nowadays you can mostly find them only in private collections european museums.

Many brazilians have some yoruba ancestry. He could just be reclaiming that part of his heritage

Nwaohafia1:
Yes, we know nah.The herders you see are not the attackers. They have their armed group who on invitation by the owner of the cows invade any village they are told to attack.

Politicians, Fulanis, Igbos, Yorubas, Hausas, etc are all into cattle business.

what Igbo and Yorubas are into Cattle business on a relevant scale?

JESUSBOIY:
Tho i am of the Ibibio tribe, i know that Igbo people are hated by other most tribes in Nigeria for no reason. The unfairness shown towards this tribe is what's making them want to break away from Nigeria.

but igbos stand against the other ethnicities

Everyone cannot be bad and igbos the nice victims

Temptee101:
I can't seem to point to a single thing this man has done for his people since his ascension as the Oni rather than gallivanting like a dog on heat from pillar to post attending parties, birthdays, weddings, burials even inter-house sports etc...

That seat simply doesn't suit him

smh. I'm not a big fan of Ooni Ogunwusi but this your post is just out of ignorance

He has started a few good programs in Ife most aimed at youth empowerment

ClumsyFlimsy:
Friend of ndigbo

Ooni oluwa bless you o
Long live the king!

Seriously how I wish Nigeria can be restructured into southern and northern Nigeria


Forget all this fake beef and alleged hatred with Yoruba. We and Yorubas don't hate each other. I have so many Yoruba close friends and even my cousin is married to a beautiful Yoruba Lady and they are all happy and no tribalism whatsoever amongst us.

But when I come online i dey follow beef afonjas for fun

God bless Ndigbo
God bless Omualabi dem

We need to let go of our past aggrievances and move forward. The South needs to unite Nigeria and emancipate the northern almajiris from slavery. If the South continue to sit back and quarrel unnecessarily then Nigeria has no future because with the North as leaders ; we are forever doomed to be in a shit hole

The fight you are championing for fun can lead to many "not funny" moments in real life.
What's wrong with you people?

OnyeOGA:
Eri, the father of all Igbos, who hailed from Israel was the fifth son of Gad, the seventh son of Jacob (Genesis 46:15-18 and Numbers 26:16-18). He migrated from Egypt with a group of companions just before the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt many centuries ago. They traveled by water and finally arrived at the confluence point of Ezu and Omambala (Anambra) Rivers known as Agbanabo, located in present-day Aguleri, where, according to oral tradition, it was spiritually or divinely revealed to Eri that Agbanabo (i.e the confluence point of Ezu and Omambala Rivers) was to be their final destination and settlement. They moved into the hinterland and settled in the present-day Aguleri but the settlement wasn’t known as Aguleri at that time. Meanwhile, Eri lived and died at Aguleri.
Agulu was the eldest son of Eri who took over from his father after Eri’s demise.
As the population around Eri’s compound at Aguleri increased, and in combination with other factors, some children of Eri and their descendants left Aguleri and founded various other settlements that Igbos occupy today. However, Agulu, the first son, remained in their father’s home at Aguleri with his own descendants.
Agulu, fondly called Agulu-Nwa-Eri, appended the name of their father, Eri, to his name and founded Agulu-Eri (Aguleri) by calling the settlement where his father Eri died and he (Agulu) lived AGULERI.
Menri was one of Agulu’s siblings that left their father’s house. He (Menri) settled at a big forest, where he engaged in hunting and farming, while also performing his spiritual work like other Eri’s children. Menri called his settlement Agu-Ukwu (Nri).
When Menri was getting very old, he told his children to take him back to his ancestral home, as he would not want to die outside his father’s home. Menri was brought back to Aguleri, where he died and was buried. His grave is still marked at Okpu, in Ivite Aguleri, till this day. There is no other grave site of Menri, the founder of Nri, anywhere else in Igbo land, even in Nri itself, except in Aguleri.
It is also a known fact that, by tradition, no other Igbo man would break the kolanut where an Aguleri man is present, except with his permission. This is in deference to the fact that Agulu (Aguleri) was the eldest child Eri.
In fulfillment of the age-long traditional rites for kingship in certain Igbo communities like Nri, every Igwe-elect, must visit Aguleri accompanied by a delegation from his community, all of whom will spend seven days in Aguleri visiting sacred places, paying homage and making sacrifices to certain deities/shrines.
Agbanabo, in the oral tradition of Eri clan is not just any place ‘where two rivers meet’. It has great spiritual significance, because it was at this point that Eri had a divine revelation that they had reached their ordained place of settlement. Members of Eri clan, therefore, have a strong spiritual attachment to Agbanabo. And this has made it an important and mandatory feature in the coronation rites of the people of Eri clan.
The visit an Igwe-elect, with his people to Aguleri, including the places he’ll go to, making sacrifices and paying homage to certain deities/shrines, can be well captured in a video coverage these days. All such videos are available in Aguleri archives for anyone who cares to see and is interested in knowing the truth.

and this makes sense to you?

So it is the bible, that Europeans brought for the first time in the 18th/19th century that Igbo history should be learnt from Wtf!

OnyeOGA:
you are the mumu here.
Igbos are never negros like you people.
Please, if you want me to tell about my people's History, i will do that for you.
Besides, Yorubas are from Mecca. Believe it or live. They ran away from there homes because of what happened in the Era of Muhammad.

stfu! Yoruba are indegenous black africans

Its the same madness that is affecting you and causing you to claim igbos are hebrews that affected the morons that claim Yoruba are arabs

FeelDeMusic:
Ok wtf is isese?

isese is the tradition of the Yoruba people of West Africa
It's the actual name for our tradition
While the word for tradition in general is "Ise"

By the way, is it true you are blind? If so, how do you get all that is being posted here?

vaxx:
most of what i know are embedded in that links. go through yourself and find it. i will not spoon feed you.

Mr. Man what part of the link is evidence that Oduduwa came from nok?

Simple!

CuteMadridista:
apologies, I wasn't clear enough I meant the discussion on if isese is a religion or not

oh. That's really not a big deal anyway. The guy seemed to want us to dwell on the issue which I'm not prepared for

vaxx:
i cannot see you much more than that. anyway i am from osogbo

Well good for u to see me as that. Thats not my Problem

Oh! Ok nice, Im primarily involved in Isese for historical research, when I need an Osun indegene's knowledge I might hit you up

CuteMadridista:
I think were through with Isese let's move to other things

but the thread is about Isese

vaxx:
i was brought up in isese,so i am not just a convertee, it is what i do at home are in here erding. Anyway stop assuming what you yourself cannot defend.

if so that's good. But u talk as if you are a novice.

Lati Ilu wo l'e ti wa?

CuteMadridista:
that's shocking! I'm also guessing its another dishonest bullsheet slipped into our history by the Abrahamics

of course. It all started with Oyo Muslims and became really popular after Samuel Johnson wrote a book on Yoruba history including the middle East nonsense

CuteMadridista:
Honestly I've NEVER heard a Yoruba claim Oduduwa is from middle east let alone "most Yoruba" themselves as used in OP

oh trust me they are many that claim middle East

It's disgusting

vaxx:
what are you saying?

stop reading too much internet articles and learn isese first hand, directly from people you can interact with. I can get you in touch with a few

Nothing else to say at this point

vaxx:
You did not know and if you did, you will not ask this question.... this link explain better. take your time and read. http://originalpeople.org/the-nok-civilization-of-nigeria/

You sure like redirecting the tempo

What do you know about Nok to just claim oduduwa was from Nok?

vaxx:
Do you know what comprises NOK civilization... do a little assignment on it before you attack the op

I know very well. And you just ran to assume oduduwa came from nok? What do you know about Nok?

vaxx:
which mysticism fall into my definition,am sure you have go through my contribution here, do i in anyway sound superstitious? per the bold, this is uncalled for, your inability not to see it as a religion from my position of argument does not mean you are more right than i do and likewise the same apply to me. we can only settle it through clarification, which we are doing now. if you found my line of reasoning strange , you can ignore bro....using the word smh is absolutely a foul statement. NO one is going forth and back with you.

I've already given you enough reasons why the background or should I say basics of isese is not a religion. What you might see people practicing religiously is their doing. Not everyone has to devote their lives and worship an Orisha

You came talking about one person worships sango and has a certain concept, another Osun and has a different concept...how does that correlate with what I'm saying??

Smh. I'm tired of spending time on the same topic. If you want isese as a religion, fine it can be if you make it. To me it is not...simple!

Nok ko. Inoki ni

Ife traditions are clear, Oduduwa came from oke ora

vaxx:
i am not shifting, i am only shifting in elements that differ both of them....i see you realize the definition suit capitalism as well, hence i need to shift in clarification...my definition is from a philosophical point of view and not from the morphology in grammar...

as i said , isese to me is unstructured religion because it do not fall into set of standard that an organized religions adhere, everyone is free to choose the method that suit him/her base on the orisha they subscribe to in their home..

A songo adherent will have a different concept from osun adherent and likewise obatala, but that does not mean he/she does not acknowledge the both...each devotion is demonstrated on the practises each orisha required, ogun devotee is clearly different from songo devotee...

i am awaiting your response on the question posed earlier?

Smh. I don't like going back and forth

Isese is religion to you because you have created religion out of it...it's not to me ...simple! I even ignore most of the mysticism and concentrate on the history

Simple logic...no need for back and forth

What question?