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ssuccess:
Ode ni e

gbogbo iran e l'ode. Oponu osi

Rexnegro:
yeah I think u are right , it's either the 2nd or 3rd son that went to benin , met people and rule over them after they got him angry then he named it Ile Binu now called Benin instead...once again u are right ..

not 2nd or 3rd but last son Oranmiyan

AdaFonju:
Benin people migrated from Ile ife, everybody knows this and they're dragging land with indigenous Niger delta tribes, oborisoapu

Bini people did not come from Ife
It is only the royal family

Excerpts from leading works on the Yoruba - Egypt connection:

Read:

"The Religion of the Yorubas" by J. Olumide Lucas
"Religion of Ancient Egypt" by A. H. Sayce
"The Opening Up of Africa" by H. H. Johnston





The gradations of status recognized by the Yoruba as existing between their deities are as follows:

1. The Supreme Deity - Olorun.

2. The Major Orisas, of whom Esu and Ifa are the most important.

3. The Deified Spirits of Ancestors and other Spirits, of whom Oro, Eluku, Agemo and Egungun are the most important.

4. The Minor Orisas.


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Olorun <-> Horu
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Over and above all the other deities classified above and excelling them in power, honor and majesty is the Supreme Deity known as OLORUN. He is credited with omnipresence, omniscience, and omnipotence.

Olorun (pronounced Or-lor-roon) may be divided into two parts, viz., Ol'-orun. The word Orun means "sky," and the syllable Ol is only a reduplication of the initial letter of orun together with the letter "l" generally used to denote ownership or agency.

The word Olorun therefore means "Lord of the sky or of the heavens."

Now the Egyptian word for "sky" or "heavens" is Horu. Before the establishment of the Egyptian dynasties and during the early part of the dynastic period, the name Horu was applied to the Sun-god (the eye of Horu) who was afterwards known as the elder Horus (Horu).

The changes which the word underwent in Egypt are clearly illustrated in the Yoruba language. From Horu is derived the word Oru(n) - the aspirate is elided and the final vowel nasalized -, "sky" or "heavens".

When the word was applied to the sun-god the following words were derived from it:

Oru(n) -> The Sun
Oru -> Heat, originally applied to the heat of the sun, and afterwards to heat in general.


It will be remembered that after the establishment of the Old Kingdom the faith of Osiris spread from Abydos in the Delta to other parts of Egypt, and was at one time universal in Egypt. Horu the sun-god was displaced by Horu (Horus) the Younger, son of Osiris. Later on Osiris, who was originally the god of the dead, was translated to the sky. Osiris became "the Lord of the Sky".

[A] The Yoruba beliefs of Omnipotence, Omniscience and Omnipresence may be traced to elements in the Osirian faith.

Olorun is Eleda "Creator"; so also was Osiris.

Olorun is the impartial Judge; men have to give an account of their doings in His judgment hall; men are commended to Him only by uprightness and goodness. All these are relics from the features connected with the Osirian judgment hall.

The importance of the god Thoth in connection with the judgment has its echo in the words O-ti-to, "truth" and e-to, "uprightness" or "justice" derived from his name.

[B] The ideas of the Yorubas about heaven are identical in many respects with those held by the worshippers of Osiris. For example, the Yorubas usually say Ole ti aiye ko gba, ti orun ko, "An idle man the world refuses a place and heaven also rejects." Compare this with the statement that the "Osirian heaven had no place for the idle and inactive."

[C] One of the titles of Osiris is "Lord of Zaddu," Zaddu being regarded as the place of the dead. The very word Zaddu in its modified form of Sadu is in use in Yoruba land, and it indicates the abode of the dead.

[D] One of the great objects of terror in early Yoruba land is what is known as Ohun Didu. Even a courageous animal like the lion is said to dread its approach.

Ohun Didu means "something which pertains to Didu," that is the Didu (or the black wooden image) of Osiris. Idols painted black, resembling the Didu of Osiris exist in Yoruba land.

[E] Another name for the abode of the dead where Osiris ruled was Alu. Here was the abode of the Osirified Bull. The Yoruba word for "bull" is malu, which is a contraction of omo-alu, a native of Alu (literally, a child of Alu). The word malu therefore contains an unmistakable reference to the worship of the Osirified Bull (osiris-apis) at Alu.

[F] One of the titles borne by Olorun is Olodumare. The meaning of the component parts are as follows: Ol'odu-ma-re.

The word Odu means "a chief", "an exalted personage". Olodu is its intensive form, indicating completeness.

Ma-re menas "I shall go" or "I must go"

The meaning of Olodumare then is "the Chief or the Exalted One to whom I must go or return".

Now according to Egyptian belief the highest reward which will be given to the good soul is to be permitted "to see God face to face and to lose itself in its ineffable glory".

A return to Osiris followed by identification with him is the desire of every devout worshipper of Osiris.

Olorun may only be reverenced and is hardly worshipped by the Yorubas, except by certain priests. It must be observed that although the faith of Osiris was widespread, his worship was almost entirely the monopoly of the priestly class.


It is not clear why the name of Osiris was not adopted and retained by the Yorubas as the name of their Supreme Deity. The name Osiris, however, is well known to the Yorubas who use it in the sense which shows that they are conversant with the myth of Osiris. The name survives in its original form of Osiri in the expression "gba osiri re" or "da osiri bo o" which means "to plot against an innocent person with a view to murdering him".


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Esu (pronounced ay-shoo) <-> Set, Shu, Khepera
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The conception of Esu involves a dualism in which Esu, the supreme power of evil, stands in opposition to Olorun, the most beneficent deity.

With the transference of worship from Olorun to the lesser deities, the antagonism is also transferred to these deities or Orisas.

The Yoruba saying "Esu ni ota orisa", "Esu is the enemy of Orisa" supports this.


Ancient Egyptian religion contains a dualism between Osiris and Set. "Osiris is the good power both morally and in the sphere of outward nature while Set is the embodiment of all that Egyptian regards as evil."

Just as the Yorubas say that "Esu is the enemy of Orisa" so writers on Ancient Egyptian Religion always say that "Set is the enemy of Osiris".

The opposition existed originally between the elder Horus and then between Osiris, and subsequently between the younger Horus on the one hand, and Set on the other hand.


There are three forms of the term orisa: "orisa", "oyisa" and "orise". The word "orisa" may be divided into two parts, ori and sa.

The first part is a modified form of Horu. For example the Egyptian god Horus-Bakhu "the god of the mountain" of the East, survives in Yoruba as Orisa-Beku, signifying "the god of the mountain".

The second part of the word, "se", is derived from Set (the final consonant is elided; this is customary in Yoruba language). The other form "sa" (pronounced 'sha') is the animal representative of Set.

The word ori-sa or ori-se, is therefore a modified form of the word "Horus-Set", the name of a double deity whose worship existed for centuries in Ancient Egypt.

It will be remembered that the double worship of Horus-Set came into existence when the crowns of the two kingdoms were united. Prior to the unification, Horus had become the title or part of the title of the deities worshipped in Southern Egypt, while Set the representative of the North, was widely worshipped there, but was regarded as the enemy of Horus.

The Yoruba migrated from one or more of certain districts in Ancient Egypt where the double worship of Horus-Set persisted.

Further evidence in support of the identification of Esu with Set is supplied by the fact that Esu is represented by a stone. Set was also represented by a stone. Esu is also represented by pillars; so also was Set.

According to Egyptian mythology there was a god named Shu who came forth from the primeval waters. He forcibly separated Sibu, the god of the earth, from Nuit, the goddess of the starry sky. He thus became the god of the space between earth and sky. His representation is that of a god in a kneeling posture holding up the sky with both hands.
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Later on he became fused with Ra the sun-god, and thus became a sun-god. As a sun-god he was regarded as a beneficent deity and an impersonation of power. He was the life-giver, "The principle which animates matter". Through his benign influence, righteousness and truth reign.

At a later period, however, greater attention was paid to the scorching heat emanating from him than to the animating effect of his rays.

He thus became, as the god of the scorching sun-heat, the dread sun-god, most closely allied to Set; and the ass, the animal of Set, which is also called Shu, appears to have belonged to him as well.

The above considerations show that Shu is regarded both as a benevolent and as a malevolent deity.

The conception of Esu is a fusion of the conception of Set and that of Shu. The Yoruba word "su" (pronounced shu) means "to stretch out over something" and hence "to cover up, to darken".

For example, the Yoruba expression, "Orun su" means "the sky is covered up", that is, with clouds; in other words, clouds have stretched out over the sky. The Yoruba verb meaning "to fall" is "su-bu" (shu-bu), that is, stretch out over or cover up the place (bu - a place, both in Ancient Egyptian language and in Yoruba).

The Yoruba deity thus derives its name and character both from Set, the enemy of Osiris, and from Shu, the sun-god, originally regarded as a beneficent deity and afterwards as the dreaded sun-god closely allied to Set. The reason why Esu is credited with the opposite qualities of beneficence and malevolence thus becomes clear. His beneficence and malevolence are traceable to the conception of Shu, whilst his malevolence is also traceable to Set.


The origin and meaning of Elegbera or Elegbara can be explained when it is remembered that the Shu became a sun-god by being fused into the body of Ra. Ra is known by two other names. As he himself says: "I am Khepera in the morning, Ra at noon, and Tum in the evening". The name of Khepera was also applied to Shu. As a result of this, Elegbera, the alternative name for Esu, is derived from Khepera. Every consonant must have its own vowel in Yoruba, Kh in Khepera is therefore elided, leaving epera. The labial sound p does not exist in Yoruba, p is changed to gb, and the word becomes egbera. To signify fullness or completeness, the initial vowel is reduplicated with an l to give El'egbera


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Oba'ufon or Obalufon <-> Typhon
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Obalufon II Mask, 11th-12th century., Copper.

This deity has been described as "the god of a prosperous empire", "the god of the peace of the kingdom", or "the Lord of Speech".

Oba'ufon has two parts.

Oba means "king" from Egyptian word "ba", which means "a soul" the king being regarded as the incarnate soul of the people.

'ufon or lufon comes from Typhon. The name Typhon must have been obtained by the Greeks from the Phoenicians, who identified Set with Ziphon, the god of storms. When the word was adopted by the Yorubas the initial consonant letter was elided in keeping with the rule that ebery noun in Yoruba must begin with a vowel.

The compound word Oba'ufon or Obalufon (since the placing of two vowels together is unusual in Yoruba, the letter l is inserted for euphony) is therefore another name for Esu and is derived from Typhon the Grecian name for Set or Sut. Obalufon possesses considerable power ("agbara" in Yoruba) because he is the same god as Set or Shu, who is regarded as an impersonation of power and who has been identified with Esu. During the last century in Yoruba land he was often propitiated with human sacrifices.

Human sacrifices were also linked with the name of Typhon in Ancient Egypt. According to Plutarch, "In Eileithapolis they used to burn living men to ashes ... calling them Typhoneian; and the ashes they winnowed away scattered. This, however, was done publicly and at on special time".


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Ifa - the god of divination <-> Nefer
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Derived directly from "nefer", the title of Osiris. Again, every Yoruba noun begins with a vowel. The initial consonant of a noun borrowed from another language either receives a vowel-prefix or is dropped if it is a weak nasal consonant.

nefer becomes 'efer or "ifa" since the sound "er" does not exist in Yoruba, and an "e" sound is represented by "i" in Yoruba.


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Obatala - Olorun's vicegerent <-> Khnum
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The name Obatala may be divided into three parts, namely, Oba-ti-ala.

Oba means king

ti means "of" or "pertaining to"

ala means "a boundary"


Obatala was formerly a Nile god. The word ala is a modified form of Iatur-au, Iaur-au the Ancient Egyptian name for the Nile. The Ancient Egyptian word becomes Iaro, Ialo in Coptic. Timon, the mathematician, used the very word ala in designating the sources of the Nile which he called Phi-ala, phi being the masculine article in Ancient Egyptian language, and ala being a modified form of Ialo.

Obatala then means "the King of the Nile" in a literal sense and "a Nile god" in a religious sense.

Obatala has been described as "the potter" (Orisa-popo, alamorere), and "Father Greybeard" (Obaba arugbo). The prototype of Obatala is undoubtedly Khnum, who was given titles identical with or similar to those of Obatala, in Egyptian mythology.


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Oduduwa - Odu-dua <-> Mut
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One of our mothers, an elderly priestess of the goddess Odua, Egbado-Yoruba

Odu - "exalted personage"
Dua - "the other world" from Ancient Egyptian word dua-t

Oduduwa means "Mistress of the Other World".

Another name of Oduduwa is Yemeu-u or Yemuhu which means "the living Mut" or "Mother Mut".

Ye is a West African word that means "the living one" or "Mother".

meu-u or muhu is a modified form of "Mut". The letter t is often dropped in Yoruba.


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Sango - Jakuta <-> Ptah
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Also known as Jakuta, "The Stone Thrower" or "The Fighter with Stone".

Ja-ku-ta means "the living soul (Khu) of Ptah". The Egyptian god Ptah was regarded as incorporate in a stone. The Yoruba word for stone is O-ku-ta, "the soul of Ptah".


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Ogun <-> Khu
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O-gu(n) is a modified form of the Egyptian word Khu. Horus, the patron god of several nomes in Ancient Egypt, was known by his worshippers as Khu. Ogun and Horus are both gods of iron and of war, the patron god of hunters and blacksmiths.

Horus has been identified with Nin-ip, the Babylonian sun-god of iron. Yoruba word for iron is i-rin, derived from Nin. Again the rule that every Yoruba word must begin with a vowel applies. Also the letter "r" is often substituted for the letter "n" in Yoruba and some other West African languages.


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O-l'-o-sa, "Owner of the lagoon". Sa in Ancient Egyptian language means a pond, a lake.


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O-l'-o-ku(n), "Owner of the sea".Khu (Ancient Egyptian)== soul. Oku(n) is the Yoruba word for the sea, regarded as the origin of the watery vapor resembling the soul (Khu) of man.


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Da-da comes from Da, name of the Egyptian lion-god.


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O-shu(n), from Shu, Ancient Egyptian god.


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Aje Saluga, "The Living one of Salug", that is, the God of (Wealth) of Salug.


Read:

"The Religion of the Yorubas" by J. Olumide Lucas
"Religion of Ancient Egypt" by A. H. Sayce
"The Opening Up of Africa" by H. H. Johnston

seeing this piece of bullshit again after about 3 years. I've not seen any post as stupid and insulting to Yoruba history and traditions in 3 years

isalegan2:
I didn't get the question at first. Lol. You're thinking of something like Omo Lishabi, what Egba people call themselves because they take pride in their liberator from Oyo kingdom.
https://www.nairaland.com/675773/great-leaders-nigerias-history-before#8398863

Luwabi? A man named Luwabi. That's not a bad name actually. Interesting.

That's true. He could mean Lisabi

FeelDeMusic:
Hi all,

So I sometimes come across the name Luwabi here on NL when I'm reading cultural or religious threads. According to the people who write about him he was a famous Yoruba person who... umm..... was wise and had an impact on Yoruba civilization somehow? I really have no idea as their descriptions of him seem vague. So I want to know what you guys who are knowledgeable about this know about him. Thanks!

There's no such person

Omoluwabi just means a child/more appropriately a person of inherent good character
Omo ni iwa bi

PAGAN9JA:
Thank you but I don't like liars distorting our faith and culture.

The arabs done that with us, the europeans done that with us now folk like you trying to connect us simple tribespeople to egypt.

you people are suffering from the worst form of inferiority complex. its incurable. the reason for this is your upbringing and you have never grown up in the village or in a traditionalist home.

I didnt grow up in a traditional home either. I had to find my way at a young age

These people trying to connect us to Egypt and the middle East are just mad.. they have mental problems

davidnazee:
The first Europeans to visit West Africa was in 14th century. So I can call that about 1000yrs ago. and Benin Kingdom was among the earliest to make contact. na u sabi

smh. Why would you want to dive into something you do not know very well? You do not study history so why do you think you know better than someone who does?

just look at this nonsense you are posting

The first european contact to west africa was in the 15th century by the Portuguese, not 14th century and for half a century or so, they never ventured off the coast to inland west africa, they simply set up trading ports along the coastline. so how would the europeans have recorded bini history?
let me not even argue too much.. just direct me to the european authors of any book on bini history.

Because as far as I know the europeans who visited Bini never recorded Bini's history, they simply took short notes of observations, much of which like of every other african kingdom or region was limited and distorted. Europeans did not know enough about african geopgraphy and politics, not until the late 19th century when they were ready for 'a place in the sun' as historians call it. So europeans are not an authority on bini or west african history

Also, 14th century(which is infact wrong, as i have stated above) is just a 600-700 years not 1000years ago. do not be dubious

Benin was no doubt among the earliest to make contact, but that's due to coastal activities in trade with Kumasi, it ends there. it is not due to Bini being so wonderful or strong or the best thing in africa..just one thing: Benin had coastal activities(championed mainly by the Itsekiris, it was the Itsekiris that directed the Europeans to Bini), the europeans had coastal activities, and they met along the line of the coast and europeans, being in the so called 'age of discovery' wanted to 'discover' hence the first european to visit Bini was Joao Afonso d'Aveiros during the reign of Oba Ozolua(oba Esigie's father), who happened to gather from the Oba of Bini himself that the Oghene (Ooni of Ife) was the source of the Oba's authority...if you want proof just ask

Is it not the Europeans that documented early accounts and history West Africa? We only had oral history and myths

your knowledge of West Africa is very limited. that is why i said you should study a little about the Malian Empire, they had universities and libraries
Europeans documented nothing of oh so wonderful significance. Every historian knows this

if it was common in the 14th century when the Europeans first made contact and explored West Africa they wouldn't have been amazed to find a very developed and planned city in West Africa with the concepts of planned streets and roads and street lamps to light the night in "primitive Africa"

like i said, 15th century not 14th century.
Mr. man planned streets and oil lamps are general. every city had it. Even Ile-ife went a step further by having Paved streets.
Europeans were ignorant and racist-inclined. 'primitive africa' was a misconception

Benin was more advanced and highly developed than any other West African kingdoms the Europeans encountered.

europeans are not an authority on west african history. how does bini beat mali in development? like i said before, it was because of Mali the europeans even came in search of West africa. The arabs told them of the great gold and power Mali possessed

Are you kidding me? We are talking about early foreign relations with European countries you are comparing with relations with fellow African Kingdoms.. If it was that then Benin Kingdom had relations with fellow African kingdom from Igbo lands, through Yoruba lands up to Ghana. We conquered all and built military camps, built cities. Benin Kingdom colonized parts of West Africa

lmao. Mr. man do not be deceived, the europeans never thought of Bini as significant partners. of all the books on european history i have worked with, i have not seen one page dedicated to Portuguese- Bini relations. This was very insignificant to Europeans, they just wanted to explore and exploit not build an international alliance with a west african kingdom. It is shameful that you will see pride in a one sided relationship with a people who never considered themselves in a relationship with you.. imagine you have a wife who doesn't see you as her husband

Relationship among fellow african nations that had more relations with more nations was very significant. like i gave an earlier example, the Oyo empire was in alliance with the Songhai and even had significant contact with Mali, with a trade route established through the Niger river (i believe the Alaafin of Oyo once claimed Sango studied in Timbaktu, but well that's for another discussion)

the entire area Bini conquered is just as the size of modern day Oyo state, it was in theory a small empire, due to the fact that Bini people themselves are so low in numbers and have a small landmass

Did you know that as early as 15th to 16th Benin City had almost 100, 000 inhabitants? and you call that a small city.
Did you know that until the late 19th century Benin Kingdom was the only and still existing West African Kingdom and was a major and powerful force the Europeans encountered?

I know you don't know but now you know. Knowledge is power.

Ashanti, Ijebu, Dahomey were still existing states that the Europeans faced in the late 19th century and Arochukwu was only defeated in 1902 while Sokoto was only defeated in 1903

Stop saying this nonsense, what do you mean by you know i don't know? what do you know?

and to that moronic brother of yours, who keeps mentioning me to get my attention.. I am not obsessed with Bini kingdom. I am passionate about history in general, and african history in particular, yoruba history even more so. and you cannot discuss yoruba history without Bini, because both groups had such deep relationship ( this is the importance of significant alliances)

it is the moronic idiiots like some of you bini guys on this forum who troll, i pass knowledge and information not going around pushing some ethnic-ego-massaging-neighbor-hating agenda

davidnazee:
Mr man you lack understanding..

Documentation of Benin Empire written about 1000yrs ago was done by early European explorers at that time.. so it is right to say Benin Kingdom was the first West African Kingdom to be documented on paper..

I happen to have a great understanding

This is 2018 ..1000 years ago is 1018
Which Europeans were in West Africa at that time?

And just for future reference, are you saying Europeans were recording your history for you ?
Are you confirming bini lacks it's own historians ?

Yes Benin City was already using street lamps almost 1000yrs ago and it was oil lamps.. No other African city or villages at that time had the ingenuity to come up with that idea.

oil lamp? Dude you must be kidding, I refuse to believe you can be this retarded to think there's anything special about oil lamps.. these were common

And for your information I am not comparing Benin to other historic or mythical African empires although Benin is regarded as being highly advanced and developed than those empires you mentioned.

Thank you.

No. Benin was not more advanced than any if the kingdoms and empires I mentioned.

Size: As a kingdom bini was the smallest of the aforementioned..however bini was able to grew into a small empire

Foreign relation: Mali had relations with the entire sahelian cultures an even the middle East. European knew about West Africa because of Mali
Oyo had relations with the Songhai and Malians creating a point of contact to the transsaharan trade route

Military: except for Ife, which had no standing military.. every other aforementioned kingdom had better organised military

So how is Benin greater than the kingdoms I mentioned

davidnazee:
Liar ke? there is more sweet facts ooo..

- long before Africans were shipped as slaves to Europe and America Benin Kingdom indigenes were already travelling to Europe for Business and pleasure just as we do now.
- First Christian King in Nigeria was the Oba of Benin
- First Church in Nigeria was built in Benin City
- Oba Esigie of Benin Kingdom was the first West African king to establish diplomatic relations with a European country.
- Oba Esigie lived and studied in Portugal for many years before returning home to become king
- Benin Kingdom was the only West African Empire whose Empire covered different people/tribes/languages and ruled over other kingdoms.
- Benin kingdom stopped the islamization of the Niger Delta region by defeating the fulani jihadists.
- Benin Kingdom is the only West African Kingdom to be documented and written about 1000yrs ago. (all other kingdoms have oral stories)
- Benin Kingdom is the only Kingdom in Africa not defeated by other African kingdoms..
- Benin Kingdom was before and after all other kingdoms in West africa
- Benin City was the first city in Africa to have street lights at night and this was over 600yrs ago.. (the people are too intelligent)

Thank you for reading and stay blessed..

Smh.
Go and study
Wagadu empire, Mali, Songhai and Sokoto, Ashanti Kingdom, Dahomey, Oyo, Ife
Most of what you claim Benin is first or only of was done by many other africans

The below highlighted points are however false
1. Benin is the only WA kingdom to have a documented history from 1000 years ago.
First bini did not document it's history. The first bini historian was Jacob U. Egharevba who lived in the 20th century.
Secondly the songhai and Mali empires had libraries with scripted/documented records of events as early as 1400AD

2. Benin city cannot have had street lights over 600 years ago without electricity. No city in the world had street lights. Unless you mean lamps of oil and fire which just about every city in the world had at that time

I am not a bini hater, Im just correcting this pseudo-history

prolog2:
You don't want me to menton you, yet you take time to write a message and modify it after telling me not to mentgion you. Hmm
Learn how to comprehend: the quote you were replying didn't have the word "macof" on it, this is how dumb you are.
It is easy to see through your imposture.
What ethnicity would you be claiming next ?

It seems you are looking for a banter today but sorry I don't do such with morons. Well I know you are stupid and a shameless liar
Let me expose you again

That's "macof" clearly highlighted

prolog2:
I see you have decided to use your macof name.
It would be nice if you would stope lying for once, I used the name historyworld031 and I never claimed to be a medecin student.
You erronously made that claim. I laughed at your expense for a while until I corrected you. I am a mathematician.
The simple fact that you are quoting (with "macof" handle) a comment of mine in which I am outing your alternate handle without mentioning "macof" is a proof of how right I am. Why don't you just use your real identity and stop claiming different ethnicities.

Smh. Your last post had "macof" in it. You are a real shameless fool, displaying so much stupidity and telling so much lies, so disgusting how a human being like this can exist. Stop mentioning me

prolog2:
This guy (omanbala1) is clearly the same person as that idiot calling himself macof. He speaks the same way, with the same words.
He (omanbala1) keeps changeing names and claiming different ethnicities while repeating the same venom against Edo.
This troll (omanbala1) needs to be ignored.

says the fool who lied that he studied medicine in France, after disgracing you, you had to open another account

I don't even know who this omanbala1 is I haven't noticed any post from that moniker but if a moronic shameless iidiot like you is against that moniker then I'm sure he/she must be an intelligent fellow that exposes good for nothings like you

ezeagu:
"We found evidence for historically complex and regionally distinct admixture with multiple HG and Eurasian populations across SSA (Fig. 2 and Supplementary Note 5). Specifically, ancient Eurasian admixture was observed in central West African populations (Yoruba; ∼7,500–10,500 years ago),"

"Our finding of ancient Eurasian admixture corroborates findings of non-zero Neanderthal ancestry in Yoruba, which is likely to have been introduced through Eurasian admixture and back migration, possibly facilitated by greening of the Sahara desert during this period13,14."

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature13997

I dont think you understand simple english. This your bid to challenge my Statement is not going anywhere
..very simple use of words " we are one of the purest Africans"
"Eurasian DNA in small amounts from 7000-10000 years ago" does not invalidate my earlier comment

And I have come across this information, being quoted word for word over again... one wonders what the original source is and the geneticists who actually made this findings
This is not an established fact that you should be posting as a reply to my earlier comment

LordVoldermort:
I had the impression I was addressing this

your post was not addressing that in any reasonable way.

LordVoldermort:
If you just did that simple maths you'll discover that 600 years ago in your family tree you had over a million ancestors how many Yorubas existed then? What if we go back 1000 years? The only way you could have pure ancestry is if your parents married their brothers and sisters on and on

You are not a very intelligent human being.

Go back and reread the first post you quoted and tell me how this relates?

LordVoldermort:
There's no such thing as a pure tribe you sef do maths

You have 2 parents 1 1
You have 4 grandparents. 1111
You have 8 great grand parents 11111111
You have 16 great great grand parents 1111111111111111

One generation =30 years

Twenty generations =30*20= 600 years

Twenty generations = 2^20=?

How many yorubas existed back then? Don't tell me you truly believe you were created in Ife

What's this one saying

ezeagu:
Actually Yoruba people have Eurasian DNA in small amounts.

We are one of the purest Africans..

Your little irrelevant post here doesn't invalidate my earlier statement

Ps. There are no credible sources to this "Eurasian DNA in small amounts"

RZArecta2:
the Yoruba believe Oduduwa flew down from heaven, the Binis on the other hand have a more logical explanation that Oduduwa was a banished Prince of their kingdom and didn't fall from any sky. It's a fact though that the original north-East Africans especially the Egyptians were originally black though before Arab invaders took over but Oduduwa wasn't from any Meroe neither was he from Iran, he didn't fall from any sky either. Oduduwa was most likely a Prince of the Bini kingdom which has the most likely and verifiable proof of his origins so far.

Ps, before you ethnic jingoists come attacking me, I'm an Ijaw man so fashion your insults properly make i laugh

The name "oduduwa " refers to many entities and personalities in Yoruba stories

The oduduwa that came (not fell) from the sky was an Irunmole also called Olofin Otete who in Yoruba creation story formed dry land

The Oduduwa that is the first Ooni, is a man who actually existed and came from Oke-ora, a small community northeast of Ile-ife ... evidence lay in the entire traditions of the Ife area ; shrine sites, lineage rites, coronation rites, town festivals and oral history

There is no evidence for this bini claim

LordVoldermort:
If you don't understand posts you can ask for proper explanation jeez it won't kill you

shut up. Your thread is idiotic
Yoruba are one of the purest Africans

We have zero connection to the middle East

IdeyFindWife:
I just hope it's not the much touted ritual money that he's trying to use the girl for.

I think some department of govt has to seriously get involved in regulating the practices of traditional worshippers. It's often always some "jazzman" herbalist somewhere who fingers their brain into thinking "the ancestors" will make-it-rain on them if only they can despoil young girls, delimb pple or, outrightly, mine their skulls. And they're often after women for some crazily odd reason

And idiotss like #Freeze will gingerly, hypocritically and snobbishly step around these kinda posts, all the while, looking for supposed high-profile targets in his misguided crusade instead of raising string awareness & sustained advocacy efforts with his platform!

Injustice everywhere, who will get justice for this family now? Even at that, the girl's life will never remain the same again.

those type of ritualists are not herbalists(herbalists are people who deal with herbs for medicinal purposes) and many of them are not as traditionally grounded as you think. They are rogue and criminal

amani63:


See let me tell you guys don't you ever love a girl because she will make you to behave foolishly.

I have been cooking for this girls most times and sending her tons of money when the need for that comes but when it comes to shaku dance period this girl will refuse to show me her breast.

For over three years, I have not for once see this girl boob.common nipple I haven't see.

Is this not wickedness
some guys were right when they said " cook for her,be her best chef she will still dance nak:ed for another man bed".

In the picture below: from my lag downward is all I get to see when the need shows up.

Don't love/ trust ladies for your own good.

Meanwhile stay tune because I will be cooking

Yam with Egg Sauce tonight

If your woman is not having sex with someone else outside I say she's a very descent girl.
She doesn't trust you enough to submit herself to you. Take your useless cooking and money away if you just want to use her
But if you feel she's worth it, and you have no reason to suspect she's playing away match, keep the girl...such smart and focused girls make good mother figures

Juliette3Ken:
I really love this Thread.
I agree with you OP. Being a virgin is worth it and I don't see anything wrong with it.
It's a matter of choice and also self respect.
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i love that part of "self respect"

visijo:
Visijo family... The list is not complete.. I have not seen dangote family

I believe Dangote is a branch of Dantata.

JewelOma:
You see that you are not well. When talking about virginity you automatically relate it to women:
It is weak women that sleep around,
a strong woman would never allow herself be used
Can you now see you are raving mad? Lunatics!

why not call nature mad for giving women hymen and excluding one from men. You are just too stupid to use your brain. It is obvious you are the raving mad one here. When Bleep boys have finished using you, you become frustrated and blame someone else for your stupidity and gullibility. Go get a life, go chase a dream and stop sleeping around
Look at these fools. Later they ask why their lives and marriages fail

agadez007:
so if he claimed to be Ugbodu and not Igbo,he wouldn't be a Jobless ode, okwa ya?

come on don't be naive. The person is an obvious jobless troll

Don't because you like his pro-Igbo rant make a fool of yourself

shaybebaby:
So you are placing the responsibility of their baser nature on the sheep?

no. Both parties are responsible for their individual behaviour but when woman stop falling for the tricks, the fvck boys will be forced to give up.
When you look at it critically women are the ones with the power, it is men who take it from them, because some gullible women allow it. There is a story about this in my tradition

I simply advice for women to seek to improve themselves rather than devalue themselves

prechbills1:
trash... as long as there's money, they'll be used..

spoken like a true Bleep boy. It is because the women around you do not respect themselves that you have this kind of impression.
That's why women need to start taking their lives seriously and stop sleeping around, guys like you will lose

shaybebaby:
Any advice for the fvckboys?

They are a mess. Honestly they are the wolves and the gullible girls the sheep. If the wolves find no sheep they will be extinct

You can see some if them in this thread, fighting for their survival

prechbills1:
trash... as long as there's money, they'll be used..


by saying virginity is the best thing a woman can offer her husband.. you're simply implying that sex is the best thing a lady can offer her husband. ..what a disgrace

Mr. Man pls comprehend. I can never say virginity is the best thing a woman has to offer her husband or boyfriend or anybody.

I mean virginity is better than any form of sexual experience..especially to the extent of promiscuity ... I was comparing these

I believe a woman should strive to improve herself, get a good education, have dreams and chase it, get a decent job and chase a wonderful career not use your time jumping from one Bleep boy to the next

prechbills1:
you lack sense... obviously a kid

you must be a moronic idiot. Its your type that have no relevant purpose in life. You use women and find yourself complaining

laudate:
No sir, being a virgin is NOT really a sign of good character. It just means that such a person has not had sex. Does it mean he/she cannot be a liar, a thief or a backstabber? No. In this world, there are only good and bad people. Just as you have virgins with good character, you also have those with bad character. Same thing goes for non-virgins as well. I have done extensive work with adolescents, and you will be surprised at their thinking.

There are very many strong women who do not sleep around, and do not allow themselves to be used, but are non-virgins. The world is more complex than you have painted it....

Actually I must say my argument is against promiscuity. I understand sex a few times out of love for the guy but when that reaches a stage of what we in Lagos call "Olosho" she is just a weak woman who enjoys being used and such a woman can never make a good wife, her psychology is already damaged, her priority misplaced, her body used, her character bad. There is still nothing better than a virgin, it is a sign of self discipline and a woman who cannot allow herself be used - this tells a lot about her character

I have noticed many men are against decency and abstinence in the form of this "virginity issue" because they fear a situation where young girls no longer want to be used but focused and improve themselves... hence no free punna