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eTECTIVe:
Jus d same way Oduduwa fell from d sky abi?

JikanBaura:
Obas in Kwara state are villages chiefs/heads compare Emir of Illorin They all are mire servants and Infact an emir can punished, disgrace and impeach them. nothing will happen.

I have a say, illorin is under SOkoto caliphate and I'm decendernt of Abdullahin Gwandu. Show some respect. ko Kaci

JikanBaura:
1. Yoruba is Yoruba but you are deceiving yourself bro
when you said their are no yoruba Muslims and Yoruba Christians, they are the minority whom igbos sees as easy target to brainwash. Just be happy that you could stay United as tribe despite smartass igbos wanting to devide you instead of forcausing on how to united within their tribe and neighboring tribes.

2. We are equal partner we are Muslim and nobody is above other, have some fulani mixed yoruba relatives and friend from Kwara. Are you from Kwara?

3. Kwara is Islamic State, illorin it capital is rule by Emir and his people. In Kwara Oba is just a traditional title not mire than maigari given, In other Yoruba land like Lagos Oba might be an important (traditional) ruler.

4. One Emir was killed and another was sent to Sokoto. The British saved the dynasty by installing a Fulani back on the throne..... interesting, would love to know more.

5. Dynasty could change, it could be hooping from one tribe tO other i have no problem with that. All that matters they are all brothers bound by blood and Islam and actually it will still be cool if pure blooded yoruba took over the Afterall they muslim brothers.

JikanBaura:
Whatever might happen , The bond between Muslims Kwarans (in irrespective of their tribe) will and can never be replaced with nonbelievers. YORUBA and Fulani and other ethnic group of Gwarans are Muslims brothers and if today Kwarans Muslimci should come out and said we want a Kwaran who is not Fulani by tribe to be our emir so be it. One can only feel bad about if he thought things are not done on the right cause. But the majority Muslims won.

Igbos that's are hating. Let's me advice you ignorant with no civilization. You are hoping to creat conflicts within Muslims, Yoruba Muslims we forever choose a Fulani muslim Over igbo infidel. An Igbo muslim is no inferior to a Fulani muslim in the eyes of Yoruba Muslim. Those igbos that think they can replace fulani are deceiving themselves.

We knows very well you hate Islam, Muslims and as whole you hate every tribe in this country stop giving funny advice like you cares. Yoruba kwarans knows very well you hates them and they will prefer Fulani over you anyday anywhere. Likewise Hausa we will choose Yoruba over you anytime anywhere. Ungrateful losers.

Islam Muslims were the reason some some Muslims (who heppen tO be fulani) became to be emirs in Kwara and only that Islam and Muslims can change that right away. Kwaran let's a pious muslims among you be your leaders even if he's a tiv. If their is need to change emir and you can do it just don't allow ethnicity be your reason. Let Islam be the reason.

9jakool:
I didn't know that. Well with that in mind, it's safe to say that they didn't necessarily originate from the Junkuns.

9jakool:
Yes I know you aren't pushing the Meccah theory, it's usually the lost Arab wannabes who believe that nonsense.

I didn't say Oyo conquered Kebbi, the Songhais did. I mention this to show the distance proximity between the two. In fact, the Songhais under Askia The Great in the 1500s encroached well into the borders of modern day Nigeria. Much of the Northwestern parts of Nigeria was under their control. Just to show you how far they encroached, the Nupes lived directly South of the Songhai's conquered territories. The 1500s also happened to be a period of scholarships among them and one of the scholars that lived during that time period was Ahmed Baba who wrote about Oyo. Do you see the connection?

Olu317:
I am here to bring you macof to your knees . You claim you are knowledgeable on Yoruba IFA , why does ODU OSA OGUDA says this in one of its verse;
In Odu Ifa Osa Ogunda, part of a verse says, “Iri tu wili tu wili la fi da ile aye, la bu da ile,” which means, “Dews pouring lightly, pouring lightly, was used to create the earth world in order that goodness could come forth into existence at once.”? Does this not look like the biblical account?

..... .....
Ifa is the Oracle. Ela is that invisible energy that moves between the oracle and Orunmila, and between Ori and Olodumare – the umbilical cord. Ela is Oro after it hits the primordial abyss. Oro, as primordial matter, has an innate urge to communicate.
The oro that drops from the elderly is stupendous
It was divined for oro-oro-oro
Who did not have anyone to communicate with and started groaning
HOORO, HOO-ORO! (Ogbon, Imo, Oye, descend!)
Olodumare made HOO (Ogbon, Imo, Oye)
HOO descended to become Hoo-ro (I can’t help but notice the similarity between Hoo-ro and Horus)
Ela made Oro digestible and useful to human needs
Ela is the manifestation of the primal urge to communicate. It is the link between human and God; human and human; and human and the universe. This extensionistic conception, prevalent in all religions, is Oro, which manifested is Ela.

Categorically, ‘El'( Eli)is God of Hebrew. Infact the creative power of God of Hebrew was his word . Even Yoruba Almighty God 'El edumare ( Edumare stand as God even in Odu IFA OSA OGUDA) Is God and he created Oro known in ODU IFA OSA OGUDA as Ela.How were they similar?

I have given fact in the above statement even inside the Odu IFA ,which is part of your stronghold in Yorubaism.

Who need to get fixed and be more studious? It is you because Ela reside in me.

9jakool:
Are you saying the people willingly allowed foreigners to rule over them?

9jakool:
A fun fact: The traditional ruler of Yagba kingdom of Ayede in Ekiti state is referred to as "Attah(Ata)" of Ayede. I too don't think Ebira or Igala originate from the Jukun as many would like to claim. The Kwararafa kingdom existed in the 16th century and both the Igala and Ebira have been in existence along the confluence far prior to that. Like you said, their languages are not even related.

sherlock229:
which tribe are you from ?

AreaFada2:
Lol. Oh he did not descend with chain again?

Well the other fairy tales and lies are many: came from Sudan, came from Egypt, came from Israel. Which of the lies is yours?

Unlike most people, I can actually help you with your mental issues, be it mania, psychosis or whatever. Or enlist the help of one of the best in the business that I know. An award winning mental health specialist. Feel free to get help. It appears those dump 9ja centres like Aro and Yaba Left have failed. On second thought, I doubt if the interior minister will let a raving lunatic into the country. Too bad.

AreaFada2:
As soon as you show me evidence of the chain Oduduwa used to descend from wherever, ask for mine too.

Rex123:
Itsekiris is classified under Edodroid languages

AreaFada2:
Hate? In APC era everything is hate speech. I do not spend my time hating anyone. I just wrote my observations and history.

The fact is Benin gave Ife Oduduwa. I have consistently stated this for years here on NL.
Of course people hail own tribe. Why should I expect anything else from you?
What people are very bad at though is introspection.
It take unique people to seek the truth. Lazy pedestrian people find tribalism and nationalism far easier.

baralatie:
Odùduwà is generally said to be of Easterly origins (some in Oyo say Mecca, but historians generally assume Ekiti-Okun region at the confluence of the great rivers and the general area where language shift occurred between the Yorubas and their neighbors).
The Ife oral traditions, on the other hand, tell that Odùduwà was the son of the supreme God, and was sent by him from heaven to create the earth. It was established that when Odùduwà arrived ancient Ife, he and his group conquered the component communities and eventually evolved the palace structure with an effective centralized power and dynasty.
Oral history tells us that Oduduwa had a son known as Okanbi. Okanbi had EIGHT children. SEVEN (Onipopo of Popo, Onisabe of Sabe, Alara of Ara, Ajero of Ijero, Orangun of Oke-Ila, Owa Obokun Ajibogun of Ijesaland and Oranmiyan) by his “legal” wife, and one (Ooni) by his slave turned wife, named ORUNTO. The first seven were sent out by their father to establish other kingdoms while Ooni stayed behind to take care of their father and he inherited the throne of his father after his demise.

baralatie:
you have come o!
Oranmiyan's is not oduduwa's son?
please help me out here?
how Ogun enter ife matter?

baralatie:
what we're you expecting before?
Oduduwa is at a big risk if he leaves ife to return to Bini.The best option is to send Oranmiyan with a priest.it does not change the fact that Oranmiyan' is the heir to the throne and not ogiamen!

Y0ruba:
Degbin Kumbusu was their ancestor. He was the brother to Derin Ologbenla & Derin Ologbenla was an Uncle to Ogunwusi Ayikiti Ojaja l the present Ooni’s great grandfather.

baralatie:
because Ekaladerhan on arrival in ife changed his name to Oduduwa to conceal his identity but found out by a search party from Benin led by Elders but by this time he is now the ooni of ife

Y0ruba:
Ogedengbe was not the man’s name.

Ogedengbe is an excerpt of a congnomen or nickname if you will.

Ogedengbe agbe ogun gbe oro is the full thing.

It is the same way Ayikiti was written out in Samuel Johnson’s work and that had a good number of us looking for whom Ayikiti was in the list of past Oonis but it was a congnomen too - Ayikiti ninu aran (roll around or wrapped in aso oke) whose name was Ogunwusi.

Several examples abound but my point is that, Ogedengbe should not be treated or interpreted as a stand alone name.

baralatie:
Now that you have realised that there is an ogiso owodo .That is a good start
Now Ogiso Owodo had a son by the the name Ekaladerhan who came and settled in ife and became the spiritual head after his displacing of obatala at ife.

baralatie:
point of correction!
the ogiamen is not ogiso!
there is no record in the line of the ogisos that had ogiamen as an heir to the throne because ogiamen was a chief in the Benin palace when ogosi owodo died
the oral traditions of the Benin folklore and Benin records states that the son of Ogiso Owodo came to Ife and settled there
the folklore also states that the son of ogiso changed his name to Oduduwa that is why you do not have his birth records in ife because Oduduwa whose real name is Ekaladerhan, is the son of Ogiso Owodo. Ekaladerhan now Oduduwa cannot abdicate his throne in ile ife as ooni because of obatala who he has displaced to be the spiritual head now sent oranmiyan his son to ascend the throne as an king where oranmiyan's was resisted by ogiamen!

Ogiamien family insists that the Oba of Benin signed a treaty that made him a tenant - Royal family adds that the Oba's family are from Ile Ife - Accuses the Oba family of distorting history

https://www.naija.ng/832915-controversy-crown-prince-eheneden-erediuwa-tenant-benin-kingdom.html#832915

baralatie:
unfortunately there is no evidence to lay claim that your Oduduwa is from oke ora.
so sorry about your own loss

When Owodo was banished to exile for killing the pregnant woman, Evian his younger brother a man of many talents, a mystic, craftsman, an herbalist, an astrologer, any areas you call him he was always available to and he will do it perfectly. All these actually endeared him to the Binis to make him rule them, when his elder brother same father and same mother that is the last Ogiso Owodo was banished. So when he was old he decided to nominate his son to take over from him after ruling for 40 years...

This be the case; the Ogiamien Royal Family demands as follows:

That total establishment by the Government of Edo State, a separate Traditional Council for the Ogiamien Royal Family Chieftaincy as contained in the Traditional Rulers and Chiefs Edict No. 37 of 1968 and all other extant laws in this regard.
The total refund of the amount of money due to the Ogiamien from the Local Government Councils under him from 1968 till date.
Proper observance of the treaty of Ekiokpagha.
Direct collection of his royalties from the Local Government Councils under the domain of the Ogiamien.
Recognition of the Ogiamien as a King and not a Chief under the Oba of Benin as the Ogiamien is equal in rank of status with the Oba of Benin (in modern times) if not superior to, because the Ogiamien remains permanently the Oba’s Lessor
http://www.theeaglegate.com/ogiamien-vs-oba-of-benin-what-will-the-court-decide/

baralatie:
how does it change that fact that an Edo prince is the ooni of ife

Efewestern:
What then makes a people if not for culture and tradition?, All eastern Yoruba have similar culture, believes and traditions which can all be traced to Bini, Example of such bini influence can be seen in ilaje and itsekiri cultural practices and beliefs.

The ilaje Marriage and Burial rites are exactly same with Edo, no doubt they won't agree to be under bini, but all facts still points towards that.

Konquest:
^^^^^^
^^^^^^
OK...

Something just caught my eyes...


The Birth of the First Oba [Oranmiyan].

1.] "Uhe o bie Oba"
Ife gave birth to the Oba in Bini-Edo language.
[Edonised Yoruba].


2.] "Ife o bi Oba"
Ife gave birth to the Oba in Yoruba language.


"Uhe o bie Oba" and "Ife o bi Oba" are VERY SIMILAR. "O bie" and "O bi" both mean "Gave Birth."

... This is very interesting.


The Yoruba and Bini have different origins, but there are profound linguistic and cultural similarities as well. I love both cultures.

Thanks to all who have contributed positively
to this thread for the benefit of all!

Efewestern:
What of ikale?
Ilaje?

Those areas were at some point in time controlled by Bini, this can be seen in their cultures, Festival etc.

Lagos , ondo and Delta are extension of Bini culturally.

historyworld031:
Who can have a discussion with crazy yoruba people ? What in hell are these fraudsters doing here anyway ?
yoruba, take your nonesense elsewhere and leave us Edo alone.
Each thread about Edo on nairaland keeps getting infested with ethnocentric yoruba who would come and start making the most laughable claims. Could you guys keep your stupid stories for your own threads ? Jesus !
Enough of this harrassment !

AreaFada2:
Now you see. It exposes the myth that Yoruba people are accommodating and tolerant. Behind your back they are not. An anonymous platform like Nairaland gives them the perfect medium to show it.

I liken many SW people's way to the ignorance of some Europeans. While educated, their education and worldview are very narrow and centered on self/nationalism.

In the middle of a major European city, SW colleagues of an Edo man berated fellow European workers for relying on an Edo man when seeking information on Nigerian/African politics and history in general.

An Edo man with a First class degree from 9ja's premier university. The Europeans had come to appreciate his concise analysis of current affairs. And they always cross-checked his analyses and found them very factual. But SW people told the Europeans to ignore his opinion because as " a minority tribe, he knows nothing about Nigeria". Behind the Edo man's back of course. The Europeans marveled at their foolishness.

Over the years here on NL, I have robustly engaged SW people on history. When frustrated they end up swearing and cursing. Resorting to agbero tactics when their pretentious intellectualism fails. So much about cultured and sophisticated omoluabis.

I am sure of my history. I heard same consistent oral history from people born in 1870s. Many lived till around early 1990s. People who were at least teenagers when Ovonramwen crisis broke out in 1897. My people played a part in our history. No herd mentality, use of tribal numerical advantage or harassment can faze me.

Landmarks of that history remain. Dukes and chiefs whose ancestors played a part in that history are today's "living history".

They believe only their Northern masters have the right to speak. Southern tribes should be their servant.
But we in Edo had colonies in swathes of Yorubaland from Eastern Yorubaland to Lagos. They can deny it as they want. They can twist it as they want. But they cannot change it. No farytale of someone using chain to descend from heaven or hell can change it.

Onijagidijagan:
Oba means king in Yoruba before the reign of Oduduwa.

Example Obatala was the predecessor of Oduduwa. Oduduwa also was an Oba(king)
they all have titles which symbolized where they are reigning over.

Know the different between King and a title of the kingdom.

Every king in Yoruba are Oba