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Olu317:
Àwón àgbà wí pè ,‘ Iwà l'òbà àwùrè .Hmmmm I don't always engage people with who are emotionally attached to what they dont but uses negative terms because I wasn't brought up in that manner. Well, I belong to a generation that cane was the order of the day to straightened any erring child, so being a deep thinker before reaction has mastered my personality. So ,I am always careful because I don't know who is reading as it concerns here.

I must confess, I appreciate your concern over a lot of issue and obviously the person that attacked my personality is of the same ancestry with Olugbo....So I know where his strength lies and his hostility. And I don't expect everyone to agree with me as you had clearly stated but when it gets to negative words being used on me , I stop quoting such person when it degenerate to such state because if one need a defence line on a subject matter, references should be in numbers and not defamation of character.

You see, I am on this platform temporarily to inform and I don't have any intention to discredit my lineage or Yoruba history's account but germane questions are unanswered ,which made the history of Yoruba inconsistent. Take for instance, the following questions:

1. How can Yoruba and Ibos came from the same source and not known?

2. How can the list of all the kings before Ooni Odua not made public?

3.How come Ibos Igbo ukwu artifacts is older than Ileife's?

4. How come lamb serves this same purpose as the ancient Hebrew ?

5. How come Yoruba is the only group in subsahara that recognised Aries power ( Ram) as a symbol of royalty and still kill it for sacrifice ?

6. How come Yoruba language stand alone in southern Nigeria,even the Igala that shared semblance don't have strong affinity with the germane Yoruba lexicons?

7. How come Yoruba word are shared with far away people in middle east( ancient Hebrew,Arabs and Egypt?

8. How come Yoruba had knowledge of eternal knots ,which is also known as Solomon's knot stand as royal design in Yoruba world?

9. How can Orunmila ,who is the pioneer of Ifa's knowledge was not known by Ibos, Hausa and Nok people if it all started in Nigeria?

10. How come it is hard to interprete the hieroglyphs on oranyan's staff since over 1000 years?

11.How did they gave birth to Olofin Ooni and Obatala?

There are so many ‘how '... without answers. And when I make reference to scholar work,they use negative words.

12. How come Àarà is used for thunder in Yoruba land and not used in Hausaland,Igala,Borgu,Ibos , Fulani West Africa, subsahara Africa etc but has Semitic link?



These were some of the things I asked they should explain to us but instead they use negative words on me .
Lastly, I had stated previously that time will tell.


Regard

There is only one question i have for you for now; If Yoruba are descendants of Hebrews why did we need christianity to expose us to Hebrews? Certain families should have traditions of Hebrews and spread the knowledge of their existence

I mean even Islam came years before christianity yet Yoruba seemed oblivious to the existence of the Hebrew or Jewish people

hayoholla:
@ obalufonlll. Please let not degenerate to insult. we are all here to learn. no one knows it all. you are yoruba, neans you should know better than attacking your brother. Although, I dont agree sometimes with olu317 assertion in yoruba history. but I must say he is doing a fantastic and great job at unravelling our history bit by bit and sharing it here in this platform. That he qouted a scholar research paper does not means he is wrong and that does not makes you right either. we all have our divergent opinions on various issues based on the angles we sees it. I must say yoruba history is a very complex and knotty one due to a lot of dispersion, intermingling, migration and emigration, which makes it very difficult to agree at a consensus. no matter how right both of you are in your view, I still hold to my assertion that no scholastic view of the yoruba race is so sacrosanct that it should be taken as final. if you ask me, just take a look at the bickering between the olugbo and the oni different view of history of yoruba. The qulams is yoruba leaders and Kings has done little for the yoruba race to even reach an agreement on our origin largely due to the influence of religion and western influence. Please obalufonlll and olu317, call a truce. table your opinions like respectable yoruba men, else we become a laughing stock to others. thank you. omode gbon agba gbo li afi da ile ife.

Although this wasn't directed to me I have to say if you want to learn you should do well to question your teacher. "teacher don't teach me nonsense" comes to mind. The person who has the facts is the person who is right no matter what you believe or what opinions you want to religiously and sentimentally hold on to

The complexity of Yoruba history is only due to 3 factors - 1. Secrecy and Mysticism which you can only overhaul(if you think it is a problem) when you are deeply in the tradition. The importance of initiation and active practice cannot be overestimated when it comes to Yoruba 2. Yoruba history is not Yorubaland-based or Town-based but first of all Family-based. Each family has their own history and traditions that revolve around certain events in the history of that family. Even what you might think are town festivals are mostly just certain families reenacting an historical event that is specific to that those families not the entire town. 3. The duality of most Yoruba figures. Most characters in yoruba stories have historical and spiritual aspects, the spiritual aspects are myths that guide the Yoruba religion. This can be a total mess to a person who doesnt know better, that is why you hear of Oduduwa creating the earth as he came down from Orun, yet that name is also given to the first Olufe (Ooni), take it as one side inspiring the other, sometimes we don't even know which inspired which...although in the case of Oduduwa the two sides seem to have inspired eachother, which the name Oduduwa coming from an older spiritual myth but the myth itself changing to incorporate elements of the historical events eg. Oduduwa the man, came down a chain from Ora hill, Obatala lost the war mostly due to his drinking problems
So its complexity has is not due to migration or intermingling in the sense that you think.

The seemingly different views of the Olugbo and Ooni's palace are actually both right, same way it might seem as if the families of Obatala and Obameri are telling different stories, they are saying the same thing just from different perspectives

lavert:
[left][/left] To those of you who are busy claiming that okun is Yoruba,pls give us real historical proofs forget about d iya agba lo je mi concerted stories as it holds no water,and mind u research has proven that okunland was long inhabited evn before ile ife,as the archeological artefacts founded in okunland has proven same.okun pple became yorubas through acculturation rather than descent, while other tribes such as the ebiras,igalas,binis itsekiri etc have been retracing their steps our okun youths due to fear of beign termed north are busy claiming Yoruba to their own peril.pls go check old okun names and their meanings in Yoruba ulld understand better that we are not Yoruba's.names like kabba,iyara,gbedde,ilai,mopa,ejuku,jege,amuro,akutukpa,otube,agbaja,obajana,tajimi ejiba,okunran,omi,ogbom,alu,ogale,aduge,kakun,ootu,egunbe,ayangan,olle,egboro,tsado,okumi,etc are not in any way related to Yoruba.

First, so a people can only be part of a larger group by descent? secondly, you said it yourself, Okun are yorubas, whether through acculturation or descent, it doesnt matter

I'm sure you are not Okun, because even Okun and Ekiti have such strong ties that go way back. Also it would be nice if you directed me to a link or book that reveals the archaeological artifacts you mentioned

And stop using the word "tribe" to describe these people. These are ethnic groups not tribes

ArmedRobber:
really

I haven't come across any
Note: I'm not saying it's not true, just I don't take the claim seriously

ArmedRobber:
yeah .
Infact Yoruba was the lingua franca of palace of Benin kingdom until it was stopped

Eweka was known to speak Yoruba but asides this there's hardly any evidence that yoruba was prominent in the palace

Femi Makinde

The Oba of Benin, Omo N’oba N’edo Uku Akpolokpolo, Oba Ewuare II, made an historic visit to the Ooni of Ife, Oba Adeyeye Ogunwusi, at his palace in Ile Ife on Saturday.

The Benin monarch during his maiden visit to the Ooni’s Palace since his coronation urged President Muhammadu Buhati to stop the persistent herdsmen/farmers clashes in the country which claimed many lives.

The Oba arrived at the palace in Ile Ife at 1.15pm with his chiefs and some dignitaries from the ancient city of Benin. He was received at the residence of Oba Ogunwusi inside the palace before both of them went into the hall where various cultural troupes entertained the monarchs.

Oba Ewuare said, “This visit is to appreciate your imperial Majesty for the honour done me, my family and the entire people of the Benin Kingdom with your personal presence at my coronation.

“This visit should provide us the opportunity to reawaken the cordial relationship between our two kingdoms which seemed unfortunately to have hitherto pulled off since my father’s visit to Ile Ife in the reign of Oba Sijuwade for reasons I am not too sure of. It is my prayer that this visit will restart the cordial relationship, which because of historical affinity, should exist between our two kingdoms.

“We should explore and tap on what unites us rather than what divides us for the advancement of our cultural heritage and social/economic development.

“It is gratifying to note that you and I have already been in regular communication even before this visit. We must increase visits to each other because such will augur well for the desirable close relationship between our two kingdoms.

“Your Imperial Majesty, Your Royal Highnesses and distinguished ladies and gentlemen, may I crave your indulgence to highlight three major issues of national concern. They are the persistent cattle herdsmen and farmer clashes and their attendant criminal activities in the country; human trafficking and illegal migration and social economic pursuit to be indeed eloping underdevelopment activities.

“The aforementioned problems are plaguing the country in unacceptable proportion. These problems are further complicated by our porous borders particularly in the northeastern part of Nigeria and lack of adequate infrastructure and dire need to improve on security architecture of the country.

“While commending the efforts of President Buhari in tackling the insurgency in the North-East , I want to, on behalf of all traditional rulers in Edo State, join traditional rulers in Nigeria, appeal to the President, as a matter of urgency, to intervene in these and other threats to the unity of our country. “

The Ooni said the solution to the security challenges in the country was community policing, saying the people would know their policemen and the policemen would also know the people and understand their terrains very well.

Oba Ogunwusi said, “You all know that we are all from the same parents. We are so interrelated; we have an ancestor and our kingdom have a very common ancestral history. We are very grateful and honoured to receive you.

“We wanted to take you to our common ancestral place where Oranmiyan is still resting till today because we believe he is still with us. But we won’t be able to take you round because of time. We are having security challenges in Nigeria and the way forward is community policing. We should join the government and security agent to find a lasting solution to these problems.

“This is Olokun Week in Ife and Olokun is one of the deities that the Benin people do not joke with. We should see ourselves as one big family. We should uphold our cultures, heritage and tradition. I am very happy that Benin culture and tradition are still intact.”

The two prominent monarchs visited Orun Oba Ado, which the Director of Public Affairs, Ooni’s Palace, Mr. Moses Olafare, described as the place where some of the predecessors of the current Oba of Benin were buried before the tradition stopped. He said that no Oba of Benin would visit Ile Ife without visiting the place where his forefathers were buried

The duo prayed at the place for peace, unity and progress of the two kingdoms and Nigeria at large.

http://www.punchng.com/benin-oba-visits-ooni-asks-buhari-to-stop-herdsmen-killings/
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NetworkNewsNG:
To the best of my knowledge, Ooni of Ife was coined from Benin. A Benin Prince was the first monarch of ILE IFE

this knowledge is faulty sir.

1. have you heard the popular Bini saying 'Uhe n'o bie Oba' Ife birthed the Oba
2. Why is the priest of the Oba's ancestral shrine one of the people who accompanied Oranmiyan to Bini.
3. Why is the Oba called 'Ovbie Oodua n'uhe' son of oduduwa of Ife
4. why were the corpse of the early Bini kings taken to Ife for final funeral rights
5. why does the Ogiamien of Utantan (formerly Ogiso) claim Oba of Bini is a foreigner. Ogiso dynasty was still existing until Oba Ewedo finally defeated Ogiamien.
6. what is the hidden meaning of the Ekiopagha Treaty?
7. Why is any refers to Ekalederhan absent in the coronation rites of the Oba of Bini or any tradition that has to do with the Oba?
8. Have you heard of Ughotun, the town founded by Ekalederhan? If he went on to be king of Ile-ife, don't you think Ife people would know of Ughotun and even know of Ekalederhan being oduduwa?
9. What do you know about Oke-ora? Oke-ora happens to be according to Ife traditions the origin of Oduduwa. [If you want to know more about Oke-ora, you can open a different thread where i will answer your questions, or better get in touch with Ife chiefs - the Obadio and Olojudo]

Moorish:
The same Europeans we worship today, we taught them how to bathe

We did rule Southern Europe for 700 years. But how many Africans know this

exactly
How many reading this now know that native Africans made up the large portion of the Moorish invasion of Europe? Yet some sit back in their small villages claiming a non existent achievement just to spite a neighbour rather than consider the achievement of one African nation as a cause of pride for all

shizzle1:
you are very very reasonable and observant, the type of yoruba I want to have and keep as friends. I'm not surprised they almost lynched for speaking the truth

Truth is-Igbos a darn to busy to start thinking of Yorubas. An average Igbo man has his mind on eking out a living and being happy wherever we are. Igbos are peaceful, no time to start plotting evil or attacking anyone, but yet you see yorooba leave a discussion or topic about hausa or Fulani and turn it to Igbo bashing. Yorooba just love to see Igbos as enemies-fact.

He, was when the Oba of Lagos said he would throw Igbos into the lagoon if we don't vote his candidate (in a democracy'o) and you begin to wonder if some of these people are lunatics

mr. Man it is from all sides.. igbos bash Yorubas for no reason. Stop playing victim

And when you think of it, a united south is what both groups need.. when a united south is achieved we can start moving towards a united Nigeria

And I don't necessarily mean political unity but a unity in goals and agenda and working together to achieve it

Moorish:
It is racists in England that made me study

I embraced an afro centric mindset

But most of us worship the white man

you see?!
Foreigners look at Africa as a land without history, our youths cannot mention 5 kingdoms of pre-colonial Africa.
And even blacks in the diaspora are taught that Africa was savage and uncivilized.. till now, even on this thread people are calling Yoruba, Edo, Igbo tribes.. can you call French, German, Dutch tribes?
Ego tripping and refusal to learn, our people feel they know it all already without any struggle to obtain the knowledge. Why won't there be enmity? Everyone wants to show himself

Born2Breed:
I've always known you are not just dumb but intellectually lazy.

With that last paragraph of yours? I give up on you!

So run along now kid.

stop acting like a fool. You know all I said is true. Quit denial. This is not taking anybody anywhere

If you claim Yorubas did anything against you to warrant the enmity then state it with evidence. I put it to you that you are just hate filled and posing a greater problem to yourself than you think Yorubas are to you.

And if you think you know so much why did you not answer my question? If you know you had nothing to say you shouldn't have bothered mentioning me.

And in what way does calling a person you don't know kid make sense Do you know my age? Smh. There's something fundamentally wrong with most Nigerian youths truly

Moorish:
I used to be a lurker for years here. I recognize your name

See, there is no human on earth that you will show respect that won’t reciprocate

I have lived in different places in naija. We need to travel more and stop stereotyping

Imagine the diversity of naija if we harness it

Good you know my activities here for years. Im sure I don't come off as a bigot or unexposed ignoramus.

I have good intentions and hope for Africa, I think beyond Nigeria. That is why we need to set things straight, including our history. We cannot continue to treat ourselves as a people without history and tradition - it is from these we know our identity and obtain pride in it.

IgbosAreOsus:
Lol
Says the miserable Osun bastard boy.
Your father is not even fit to be my gardener.
Ọ́dẹ́

oh shut the hell up you fool and get off my mentions. Go deal with your messed up life and don't bring your frustration here. It's not my fault your father never taught you anything. Insane slowpoke
I've marked your moniker as another madman on nairaland
It is infact very obvious that you are truly mad, what kind of stupid moniker is that? Useless troll, your only aim on this forum is to attack. Wasted life. Get off my mentions omo osi

IgbosAreOsus:
Lol!
What a retárd. Just because you were given an opportunity to teach yoruba in one local miserable primary private school and you've read some bullshìts written by some nonentities, you think you're educated. With that ssce certificate
Fool.

Says the idiotic fool that doesn't know what Obaship is in Yoruba traditions but wants to talk about the same Obaship

Lmao .. Akintoye a professor of history is a nonentity? your father is not even fit to clean his shoes. Your father doesn't even have primary school cert. talkless of ssce. Oponu osi

IgbosAreOsus:
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Lol! Who taught you that?
What an illiterate
I'm done arguing with an illiterate.

it is obvious you are an Insane slowpoke. Your father is not half as educated as I am

Saladin25:
I like your explanations. Could you please, recommend some books that is well written by a Yoruba Historians not the one distorted. Thank you.

I will recommend Yoruba Art and Language by Rowland Abiodun, Art and Risk in Ancient Yoruba by Suzanne Preston Blier, A history of the Yoruba people by Prof. Akintoye

Ps. Suzanne Blier references the great historian and archaeologist Prof. Eluyemi in great length, you can try some of his books

IgbosAreOsus:
Shut up olodo
You're definitely not a Yoruba. Just an ignorant troll.
The ooni was ab ordinary priest to the Aláàfin of Ọ̀yọ́ before he revolted against him and made himself a king.

Get that into your thick skull.

Smh. Obaship in Yorubaland is king-priesthood
All Obas are supposed to be the head of the major cults and heavily involved in the traditions of their domain

Ooni being a priest is the proper thing. Alaafin is also a priest, head of the sango cult worldwide
That due to colonisation and foreign religions and many Obas don't fulfil their priestly roles doesn't take away the initial duties attached to the title of Oba

Saladin25:
If I may ask you, where is the word "Oba" originated from? As I have said before Yoruba accounts contradicts a lot. Now you are talking about Oke-Ora that according to the people of Ile-ife it is the Origin of Oduduwa. Which one do you want us to believe? Is it the Mecca version or Oduduwa coming from the sky with chains or Oduduwa coming from Egypt? Have heard another one Oke-Ora? Yoruba Historian should go back and pick one source or else, the Origin of Oduduwa will always be a subject of mockery.

Good, genuine questions are a good thing, we should be discussing not insulting

1. Ife used to be a confederacy of 13 communities...Each leader went by the title Oba eg. Oba Ijugbe, Oba Idio, Oba Ijio, Oba Iwinrin etc
2. Oba etymologically has the root word 'ba' which means to 'dominate'
3. Oduduwa coming from the sky is cosmology, a part of the creation story not history, do not confuse the two
4. Egypt is a recent nonsensical claim by people who normally attach everything to egypt. No reference to yoruba traditions. There are people who claim Edos came from Egypt too
5. Mecca, blame Oyo muslims of the 18th century who in a bid to seek legitimate reasons for their conversion to islam concocted a ridiculous Islamic connection to Oduduwa. No reference to Yoruba traditions

I completely agree, it is attitude like this from yorubas that make people take Oduduwa as a subject of mockery. Yorubas have turned away from tradition, how many people take part in festivals, how many speak to elders, how many are initiated into one orisa cult or the other? the coming of foreign religion and colonialism has damged the mindset of our people and it is causing real lack in our knowledge and appreciation for History

Saladin25:
Well, You are entitled to your opinion, but where I have issue with Yoruba account is;

1. Yoruba claimed that Oduduwa fell from sky, some said he came from Mecca and while some came into conclusion that he is from Egypt. But let us look at these accounts does it makes sense. How could one fall from the sky? He came all the way from Egypt/Mecca, do you know how many cities and towns one would pass through before getting to Ile-Ife. All these account are ruse to me.

2. As for all Yorubas kings/queens are appointed in Ile-Ife that is a fallacy. Oba Sikiru Adetona and many Ijebu indigenous people have refuted this claim that not all Yoruba people came from Ife. The Ijebus came from Sudan, the Olugbo of Ugbo, Oba Akinruntan (aka Obat) said Ugbos never originated from Ile-ife. Ugbo people were always terrorizing the people of Ile-ife before Moremi Ajansoro used her deceit to conquer them.
https://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2010/06/25/ijebus-are-from-sudan-awujale-insists/

3. As I have stated before in one of my comments, Benin fought wars with the Yoruba, Owo was at war with Benin but were never conquered. Eko(was a war camp) for the Benin warriors, which the Awori, the indigenous people of Lagos Island always pay tribute to the Oba of Benin.
Even Alafin Abiodun sought the help of Oba of Benin when Fulani were threat to the Oyo kingdom.

1. Yes, Oduduwa is said to 'come' (not fall) from the sky. But this is in reference to the recreation of the world after a great flood. It is those who are involved in Isese that know this. This oduduwa is gender-fluid, can be male, can be female. It is simply a tale based on Yoruba cosmology not to be confused for the historical oduduwa that is said to have started a civil war. People tend to talk about Oduduwa but fail to go to those who are traditionally assigned to Oduduwa matters. The likes of the Obadio of Ife who is the head of the Oduduwa cult cannot be bypassed when talking about Oduduwa#
2. Ijebus did not come from Sudan. Even in that same Ijebu-ode in the tradition is that the first Awujale Obanta Ogboroganlada was a son of Oduduwa and his mother was Gborowo. Oba Adetona is mixing things up, rightly so as he was not brought up in a traditional environment neither is he a committed african historian. In Ijebu they say ' Ijebu omo Owodaiye' he is confusing this for Waddai(which is impossible because Waddai was an Islamic caliphate founded in the 16th century in modern day Sudan). Owodaiye here refers to the first Ife, 'Ife Oodaye' in standard yoruba dialect. Olugbo never said his people did not come from Ife, he said his people own Ife and he is the rightful number Oba in Yorubaland, which is not totally wrong, you can ask why for a more detailed reply

Saladin25:
Common, am also a Yoruba person, but am a Nigerian first ahead of any ethnic/religion. Using that derogatory statement isn't okay. After I did all my findings about the origin of Oduduwa I realised, the Benin account is somehow right. If Oduduwa never came from Benin, the Chiefs of Benin wouldn't have picked Oranmiyan to come and become King after the Ogiso dynasty came to an end.

you have not done any findings

1. have you heard the popular Bini saying 'Uhe n'o bie Oba' Ife birthed the Oba
2. Why is the priest of the Oba's ancestral shrine one of the people who accompanied Oranmiyan to Bini.
3. Why is the Oba called 'Ovbie Oodua n'uhe' son of oduduwa of Ife
4. why were the corpse of the early Bini kings taken to Ife for final funeral rights
5. why does the Ogiamien of Utantan (formerly Ogiso) claim Oba of Bini is a foreigner. Ogiso dynasty was still existing until Oba Ewedo finally defeated Ogiamien.
6. what is the hidden meaning of the Ekiopagha Treaty?
7. Why is any refers to Ekalederhan absent in the coronation rites of the Oba of Bini or any tradition that has to do with the Oba?
8. Have you heard of Ughotun, the town founded by Ekalederhan? If he went on to be king of Ile-ife, don't you think Ife people would know of Ughotun and even know of Ekalederhan being oduduwa?
9. What do you know about Oke-ora? Oke-ora happens to be according to Ife traditions the origin of Oduduwa. [If you want to know more about Oke-ora, you can open a different thread where i will answer your questions, or better get in touch with Ife chiefs - the Obadio and Olojudo]

Born2Breed:
The Benin's have always respected the Yoruba's as a cousin. But what did the Benin's get in return? Insult and derogatory reference to the Benin's as omo Igbo.

The old Western region the Bendel axis were insulted and deprived of regional allocations, the major resources the made the western region increase its pace of development was gotten from the Bendel area. Cocoa we contributed 35%%,Timber 50%,Rubber and Palm Oil we contributed more but what did Bendel get? We all saw what the break away of Mid Western region did to the west.

Check this thread,its always the Yorubas that derails it without verifiable claims.

You all talk about size forgetting Japan once ruled over China and Italy over Europe.

Forget the mercy part, when e set believe me you and you co-warmongering crew will be the ones begging for mercy.

o pls either you are intentionally lying or you are just ignorant. it is ego and vain pride that made bini go out of the old western region. provide the official reports to support this your claim that the major resources were coming from Bendel area?

mid-west region was created in 1963, 3 years after independence, in what way did Yorubas or the Western region government extort from your region? Ok now after over 50 years of being away from the 'bad evil' western region, what development has Edo state obtained? is Benin city now a paradise?
Use your head please

Yorubas have done nothing against you folk

P.S when did Japan ever dominate China
and italy over europe stop talking through your ass

ariesbull:
That's why I told them that they should pray for United Nigeria because if anything happens....benin would be a war booty

I share your thoughts as well. They do not realize that it is dangerous to be at loggerheads with both large nations at both sides

Moorish:
Don’t be too arrogant

I am Yoruba and I love my culture

I also respect Benin. It was mighty

i respect bini too. It was a kingdom all Africans should be proud of but these people of today are hateful and disrespectful for a people of such insignificant landmass and population
They have no place in a greater Africa of tomorrow with attitude like this. Their hatred towards Yorubas especially and all other Africans in general is disgusting
They are ignorant, boastful, rude, dishonest

I stand by it, when provoked these people should gain no mercy. Yorubas have treated them as brothers for too long

Moneywomen17:
the guy is a disgrace to his Benin people he even accuse his oba of lying by saying oranmiyan their first king is just a fiction even thou people who followed oranmiyan to Benin like the Yoruba priest still remain in Benin till today

forget that guy he uses different monikers
It is his lack of relevance in life that drags him to madness

prolog2:
Well, what are you waiting for. Son of two w.h.o.r.e.s ?
What's the delay ?
Why not "wipe us out" rather than continu your crazy time consuming and stupid rantings on nairaland ?

why not provoke? Carry your madness on the street and see
Only Ilaje will handle you, no need for other yòrubas to be involved.

Insignificant Nigerian population won't maintain their level

Moneywomen17:
the guy is a disgrace to his Benin people he even accuse his oba of lying by saying oranmiyan their first king is just a fiction even thou people who followed oranmiyan to Benin like the Yoruba priest still remain in Benin till today

The Oloton (custodian of the Oba's ancestral shrine, Azama n'uhe: Uhe is the bini accents way of calling Ife) came with Oranmiyan and remained with Eweka
Yet these bastards deny the fact that the Omo n'Oba's ancestors came from Ife

ariesbull:
When your people where killing unarmed Igbo of anioma origin in Benin city you didn't know there was repercussions..what where your clowning oba doing then....you guys asked for it and we gave it to you and would still do that


Thank Lord the ijaw are doing the needful in Gelegele....oya go and take....the oba of a dude is walking upandan looking for whom to help him


These Benin folks don't even realise that they are minority..Yoruba or Igbo can easily walk over them....they are not even upto 3 million in population....abeg make una close mouth jhoor


Who the hell is the Oba seff

honestly this Edo people need to be taught a lesson. They are getting too wild and disrespectful to people who can wipe them out if provoked

Rexnegro:
thanks for the correction bro..I appreciate

you are welcome. It's what I try to do here - promote Yoruba history

prolog2:
How in hell should I know.
Was there a book keeper who was keeping records ?
You are talking about an event which might have taken place several thousand years ago !

then shut up. You do not know bini history
Your father failed to teach you anything no wonder you come here spewing thrash daily

Born2Breed:
Ise!!!



Those re-writing the history of the Benin/Ife are mostly kids of slaves returnees from Sierra Leone and Brazil. They needed an identity after the Kiriji war and started these nonsense of Oba of Benin is son to Ooni.

The same Ooni who was at the coronation of Oba of Benin, the same Ife that has a stool designated for only the Oba of Benin and its refered to our fathers stool.

Im sorry but that is very much false. There is no such stool in Ife.

You can take a tour of the Ile-oduduwa if you care for history and culture. There is no such special stool

prolog2:
Weird, your ooni of ife didn't dare say this trash in presence of Omo n'Oba n'Edo.
the only thing which came from ife is mental illness which you have in abundance.

always mentioning me this foolish son of a foolish father who couldnt him anything