₦airaland Forum

Rilwayne001:
smh... I'm starting to regret voting these clowns to power.

Wtf..

I no tell you?

where's folykaze who insulted me and fellow yorubas for not backing a fulani bigot who is not only a lover of violence but also an incompetent President

Yujin:
Lol. See how the Yorubas are bullying the binis over this picture but will still find a way to explain it away if it were the other way round. They have been rigurgitation the tussle they had with the binis over kinship and kingsh hiererchy all over this thread and mocking the Oba's regalia. The Oba of Benin remains a highly respected king all over Nigeria as he is backed with many verifiable history of his people's exploit. For me, the Oba bending forward in greeting the young queen could be as a result of the history his throne had with the brutish British. When you see the one who heads those who exiled your ancestor and sacked your palace, you are bound to be extra courteous with him/her. Also note that the ease with which a Yoruba king will respond to the queen is not same for the Bini Oba because of the obvious difference and the fact that power doesn't belong to him any more. Awolowo had more power than him that time. By 1956 Nigeria was still part of the British territory.
Finally, I'll like to know the Yorubas response to how the Sardaunan Sokoto(Ahmadu Bello) greeted the queen at a similar time.
https://www.nairaland.com/2647594/see-how-ahmadu-bello-greeted

many of the people commenting here aren't yoruba. they can see the lies in wat the Bini are saying.

there's no way to explain it. ..An Oba shouldn't bow for anyone. ..simple

and what concerns Ahmadu Bello with this?

oga move along》》》》》

Ubenedictus:
i think u've gat history upside down. it is the yorubas that were conquered by the nupes and driving away from their palace severally, they were even pursued from oyo. the nupes on the other had were mainly traders with d beni people, they didnt conquer bini, as for d igalas the opposite is true, the beni king drove the igalas out of d areas d ebira people now live. d attah once paid taxes to d oba.

the people who were been conquered then were d yorubas, D benin conquered them, the nupes conquered them the fulanis conquered them and their empire ended up killing itself even before d british came.

nupe never conquered yorubas.. they occupied oyo. ..so? does yoruba begin and end with Oyo? did oyo not return to take back their land and invade nupe to control theirs? ... face ur Oba who is not even up to the Awujale in majesty. ..

nupe conquered ekpoma. ..a part of Bini empire. .. they took territory from you and turned ur brothers into Muslims and you dare speak when Yoruba speak?

below is the Awujale meeting the same queen Elizabeth

SeverusSnape:
When we spoke against the loan, Zombies came for our jugular. When Fayose spoke against it, they, like the biblical pharisees, Called for his crucifixion. Can you all see that other eminent citizens are speaking up?

By the way, Is falana planning to join the wailers club??... No way!, No more admittance. If the Lagos state chairman of our great association should surreptitiously give him that form, let him get ready for disciplinary actions. Falana should remain in his zombie coven.

falana is angry he wasn't given a federal government position.


hypocritical activist

double0seven:
Let's even assume it's not photoshoped because can't really tell.

What proves that this Abuja or that the cows even belong to fulani herdsman?

it could be just any random picture.

why do you people keep making excuses for these criminals?

first Photoshop. .now It might not be abuja, or the cows don't belong to fulani herdsman.
it's just a Random pic


make excuses for them until they become worse than boko haram

johnmartus:
Afenifebi always make jocular remark i wonder when "yinka"turn to ibo spokesman rubbish the governors did not mention yoruba name

Fulanis are even a bigger problem to us than they are to igbos

we in the south need to be united

praizeblog:
she no resemble witch nah.... lol

witch get their own face

dominion001:
i never denied my fathers/ancestors but saying i will not be existing without dem is laughable and a lie from d pit of hell.

do you even know what you are saying?

how can your children exist without you? na wa for all this dead jew worshippers o

based on my knowledge of Yoruba culture... I'll say Tiwa can have custody of the child only if she is not to marry again or sleep with another man before the child reaches adulthood :p

RichYoungNigger:
This is 2016 not 1867.

Wake up you drunk gay fish

all that insult for what?


so it's 2016? does that mean "act like westerners year"?

delishpot:
Yes. The custom of enslavement. Later you guys come here to wonder why our mothers and foremothers never left their abusive and sad marriages. This is the reason why. The custom made sure to tie a woman down to a man one way or the other.man.
If she left the child as custom wants to force her to do, it's still those same hypocrites that will say she abandoned her baby and left the marriage. If she wants to carry her baby and leave those same people will say according to custom she should leave baby with the man. How then can a woman escape an unhappy and abusive marriage?

don't be quick to attack yoruba customs. .. every law is made with the best interest of the people at heart.

anyway @op. .. I don't really think the Yoruba have a set in rule as to child custody... Yes in Yoruba culture the father owns the child but Yoruba culture also talks so fondly about Motherhood and the unbreakable bond of mother - child

in some cases in yorubaland, the children don't live with their father but cannot live without their mother. ..unless she disgracefully(to herself) abandons them.


what is most important is that the child doesn't live with another man acting as a father when the real father is still alive. ..and has relatives

dominion001:
who ar d we? I reject u and ur ancetors. My life is hiding in christ Jesus.

forget my ancestors...concentrate on knowing your own ancestors

Jesus or no Jesus. ... your own fathers are still your fathers

TANTUMERGO007:
and they compare this great man to ommi of ife way like bribe

truthfully Oba Erediuwa was such a better traditional ruler than Oba Sijuwade or any other in Nigeria but when we talk of the thrones - Ooni and Omo n'Oba, the Ooni is greater

dominion001:
who ancestors epp

ancestors epp you and everyone else. ..cus without ancestors we cannot even exist

hmm
great Igbo people

AdeniyiA:
Their action is totally condemnable, meanwhile the manner our ladies dress nowadays, seriously we're going back to the days of Adam nd Eve...

the way a woman dresses is no excuse for Sexual harassment

promise101:
See a fool thinking foolishly. Sorry, you are an OT ignorant carnal man

go hug your transformer under the rain

anyone in Thüringen?

lawani:
Even if a myth, it was a myth well known to the man who came from Mecca and was renamed Oduduwa and crowned Olofin Aye in Ife. Josephus knew Nimrod, Nebuchadnezzar must have too and etc. So the Meccan who was made Olofin Aye in Ile Ife was also aware of the myth. So he instructed the Yoruba to pass down the name to their descendants.

If someone had come from Europe and mentioned Charlemagne rendering it as Shalemani or so, you would still say it is a myth?

Oduduwa never instructed anything to Yorubas please. most of what is exclusive to Oduduwa is kept as a family matter in Ile-Ife not open to outsiders..... that's why they don't even talk about his origin. ... thanks to the coronation rites and existing relics scholars have realized that Oke-Ora is the origin of Oduduwa. ...not Mecca.

what is the Yoruba name for Mecca? be deceiving yourself


At least Charlemagne is real unlike the fictitious nimrod

I guess the bottom line is that Beyonce is appreciating her African roots with the art in her new album

lawani:
You are the joker because you have brought links to show that Nimrod was a great man known to South Arabians in the past, proving clearly that someone coming from Mecca in the 7th century, a well read Royalty will revere him and would mention his name to people which Oduduwa did. My own link had references, so you can check those references. Many cities were named after Nimrod. The Jews were anti Nimrod but Nimrod was not fighting against the real God but against the bad God who flooded the Earth. You may call him pagan, idolator and etc but he knew God too, the objective God and not the sadist God. Jewish sources report him as bad but the Epic of Sumer speaks glowingly of him. He is also known as Gilgamesh.


So to my own understanding, that was the man mentioned to our ancestors by Oduduwa whom they made Olofin Aye at Ife.

The original character lived 5000 years ago, while his descendant who was renamed Oduduwa lived around 1500 years ago or 7th century AD.

ok

when you realize Nimrod is nothing but a myth give me a mention please.

lawani:
This Nimrod link on wikipedia is something you could have gotten by yourself. It shows clearly that Nimrod was the hero of those who lived before Christianity and Islam in South Arabia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod

you are a joker. ... a bad one at that

I never said a character with the name " Nimrod " doesn't exist. ... I said a real human being that fits all that Nimrod talk never existed. the wikipedia link doesn't stand as evidence. ... that's like directing you to a wikipedia article on Big Foot as evidence that he exists. ..

lemme show you what you expect people to take as historical evidence backing the existence of Nimrod

According to Ronald Hendel the name Nimrod is probably a polemical distortion of the god Ninurta, a prominent god in Mesopotamian religion who had cult centers in a number of Assyrian cities such as
Kalhu , and also in Babylon , and was a patron god of a number of Assyrian kings. [27] Nimrod's imperial ventures described in Genesis may be based on the conquests of the Assyrian king
Tukulti-Ninurta I (Dalley et al., 1998, p. 67). Julian Jaynes also indicates Tukulti-Ninurta I (a powerful king of the Middle Assyrian Empire) as the origin for Nimrod. [28] Alexander Hislop, in his tract The Two Babylons decided that Nimrod was to be identified with Ninus (also unattested in Mesopotamian king lists), who according to Greek legend was a
Mesopotamian king and husband of
Semiramis , with a whole host of deities throughout the Mediterranean world, and with the Persian Zoroaster . The identification with Ninus follows that of the Clementine Recognitions; the one with Zoroaster, that of the
Clementine Homilies, both works part of
Clementine literature . [29] There was a historical Assyrian queen
Shammuramat in the 9th century, the wife of Shamshi-Adad V , whom some speculations have identified with Semiramis, while others make her a later namesake of a much earlier Semiramis.

In some versions (as in Flavius Josephus), Nimrod is a man who sets his will against that of God. In others, he proclaims himself a god and is worshipped as such by his subjects, sometimes with his consort Semiramis worshipped as a goddess at his side. (See also Ninus .)
A portent in the stars tells Nimrod and his astrologers of the impending birth of Abraham, who would put an end to
idolatry . Nimrod therefore orders the killing of all newborn babies. However, Abraham's mother escapes into the fields and gives birth secretly. At a young age, Abraham recognizes God and starts worshiping Him. He confronts Nimrod and tells him face-to-face to cease his idolatry, whereupon Nimrod orders him burned at the stake. In some versions, Nimrod has his subjects gather wood for four whole years, so as to burn Abraham in the biggest bonfire the world had ever seen. Yet when the fire is lit, Abraham walks out unscathed.
In some versions, Nimrod then challenges Abraham to battle. When Nimrod appears at the head of enormous armies, Abraham produces an army of gnats which destroys Nimrod's army. Some accounts have a gnat or mosquito enter Nimrod's brain and drive him out of his mind (a divine retribution which Jewish tradition also assigned to the Roman Emperor Titus , destroyer of the Temple in Jerusalem).
In some versions, Nimrod repents and accepts God, offering numerous sacrifices that God rejects (as with
Cain ). Other versions have Nimrod give to Abraham, as a conciliatory gift, the giant slave Eliezer , whom some accounts describe as Nimrod's own son. (The Bible also mentions Eliezer as Abraham's majordomo, though not making any connection between him and Nimrod.)
Still other versions have Nimrod persisting in his rebellion against God, or resuming it. Indeed, Abraham's crucial act of leaving Mesopotamia and settling in Canaan is sometimes interpreted as an escape from Nimrod's revenge. Accounts considered canonical place the building of the Tower many generations before Abraham's birth (as in the Bible, also Jubilees); however in others, it is a later rebellion after Nimrod failed in his confrontation with Abraham. In still other versions, Nimrod does not give up after the Tower fails, but goes on to try storming Heaven in person, in a chariot driven by birds.

Inconsistent record. .. one version this, another version that. .. yet this so called Nimrod who was said to be Mesopotamian got no mention from Mesopotamian records just foreign Arabs and Hebrews

the closest Nimrod has to be being real is to be identified with Tukulti-Ninurta I.... and even at that, Tukulti-Ninurta I lived around 1200BC...doesn't fit Nimrod's proposed timeline of 3000BC. Abraham is put at around 2000BC.... see the inconsistencies?

in that article no mention of Nimrod as the ancestor of Arab royalty

Nimrod is just a myth

lawani:
Nimrod was not mentioned in the Quran even once. Can you quote where he was mentioned? So no chance of getting the name from Muslims. You can only get it from a South Arabian royalty.

When I was in Ilesa Grammar school in the 90s, we were taught that Lamurudu was the father of Oduduwa.

There is nothing special at all in Ife. A man was left there titled Ooni with the sole duty of coordinating the upkeep of the tradition of the first terrestrial civilization on Earth from when land rose above the waters. The story is kept in anthems and stories passed down from the very beginning to explain the origin of humans on Earth. Nothing more. I am a descendant of Ogun Ajero and it was my ancestors that left those people in Ife to be reciting anthems and tales for the purpose of keeping history. Nothing more than that.

whether quran mentions Nimrod or not. . that name is known in the Islamic world and rendered in Arabic as "Namrud" from where "Lamurudu" was derived....so it goes back to Yoruba Muslims

Pls just provide the evidence that pre muhammad Arab kings were descendants of Nimrod
in fact provide evidence Nimrod ever existed as a real man

do that and let's go back to the topic of the thread - Sango

lawani:

Pre Mohammedan Arab monarchs saw themselves as descended from the Nimrod that was mentioned in the Bible, present day Arab monarchs who are Muslims do not. You need to read more and form informed opinions. Research who Nimrod was in South Arabian history before Mohammed came to usurp his position. You dont need to tell me to stop believing everything I read because I dont. I have a brain to analyse things and I dont just take everything hook, line and sinker. In schools, children are taught that Lamurudu is the father of Oduduwa, so Rev Johnson did not manufacture the name out of thin air. It was passed down.

You dont have a place for Lamurudu because the man never came to Ife, he was not a Yoruba man. I have never heard his name mentioned in Ifa. The name was merely dropped by the Meccan monarch who came from South Arabia. Ife is not the final authourity on anything. Their job is to keep the history they were left there to keep. It does not make them all knowing.

Were you there too? Your question is childish sir.

Pls share me your source to that information

In schools? is this not Nigeria? or you haven't heard history is no longer taught in schools due to the Education sector's poor knowledge of history. ... In fact how much of history were you ever taught in school?

since Ife doesn't know Lamurudu, shouldn't that tell you that the name was not "dropped" by Oduduwa after all?
Johnson picked that up from Oyo Muslims

you keep saying "he dropped the name" like you were there. .. hilarious reading that

And she had issues with the police today at Osogbo

lawani:
51 Kings away can coincide with 7th century at just over 30 years per King and there is no other way to explain the Lamurudu account. that name is not even an orisa. it is just a name dropped as a form of id.

he dropped the name... were you there?
yet no yoruba traditional institution knows that name

it had to take Johnson, a man not grounded in Yoruba traditions and Muslims to speak of Lamurudu.
how come Ile-ife don't have a place for Lamurudu?

going to the Arabs. .. Arabs never saw themselves as descended from Nimrod

Stop believing everything you read

Isaacmacdon:
The reason I decided to comment is because I sense a lost soul dat needs retribution... Wakeup before its too late.. That form of art has lead many to eternal death.. Go n read ur bible cos its obvious u r lost in iniquity..

Pls as you don't have tattoo. . who you epp?

124mumsy:
Mr man pls in Nigeria we have our culture, it was never build on this ground, if you find it nice and accommodating u can draw them on your children, but it is never our ways and we can never find them interesting no matter your education on this subject, pls endeavor to attend deliverance class for further knowledge and side effects.

in Nigerian cultures tattoo is very much a part of them
the whites came told us tattoos are bad, we foolishly stopped and they took it up

Presbulg:
Ever wondered how the popular saying 'Gudu gudu meje yaya mefa' came about ?

Here it is.

hilarious

but is this true?

Yoruba history didn't start from Oduduwa. Oduduwa just began a new era

btw op. the Oduduwa of the creation tale is different from the Oduduwa of history

buharisbae:
pls what is Yoruba who they EPP?

I love that song sha

politricks:
This post was meant to foster unity but you had to go against it.

Nigeria is and cannot be united