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zimoni:
I'm so so so GLAD.

This is a GOOD NEWS.

I was afraid Ajimobi was going to compromise due to his closeness to PMB.

Now we are waiting to hear from Aregbesola and Amosun. Ajimobi and Mimiko have spoken, remaining Aregbesola and Amosun. The grazing nansense will never work in Ekiti and Lagos, I'm quite sure. No land for them in Lagos, Ekiti-Ketes are the most stubborn Yoruba's, no marauders can't take their land for grazing whatever.

The Bill must be killed and rejected.

Say NO to Fouta Jalons.

Alaabaa.

of course that nonsense cannot even work in Ekiti. the land in Ekiti has owners and no way an Ekiti man that doesn't sell land to a foreigner to build on or farm will allow his land go to Fulani herdsmen

the Fulanis need to go back to fouta jalon if they need land so much

9jacrip:
Egbon mi, sleep don come but let me attempt a reply, I hope I am able to make sense with whatever I scribble.

Ifa contains spiritual tales (for spiritual purposes), Myth (for story purposes) & actual history with existing evidences recorded for history purposes. Everything woven together makes Ifa sturdy for divination yet fluid as an encyclopedia for general knowledge.

Although, I do not know who owns a deity's name first - the spiritual figure, the mythical figure or human figure? I am yet to unravel this part and this will go a long way in understanding a lot of things.

First Obatala in Ifa was a man, Oduduwa's brother that was robbed. Who was suppose to create the world; he who created people but messed both up from alcohol intoxication.

Along the line, in order to explain how the word is a calabash, Obatala became the woman - wife and Oduduwa became the man - husband. Oduduwa the first half of the calabash then Obatala the second half. Which makes it the second Obatala in Ifa.

The third Obatala was the man, Oseremagbo. Obamakin's big brother. The owner of Ade Are, the king of Iranje-Ideta Ile & Oko, Yeemo's husband, father of Ilesun & Ilale etc

I don't know who bore the name first but as with other figures like Orunmila, Esu, Osun, Oduduwa to mention a few - there are spiritual, mythical and human parts to their stories.

Baba's oriki that you cited was just a line from a long verse. From the same verse it also said 'Okunrin a sa'ra m'eegun' which goes to show Obatala was a 'he' in the human form.

One interesting thing to note is, prior to the Obatala human - Yeemo's husband, there was no Obatala worship anywhere recorded. It began after the passing of the Obatala of 15 centuries ago (like you said). The same is the case with all other deities.

Eruwadaaji.

very important information here. I've noticed many people don't realize that when the name of a deity is mentioned it could be on history, myth or spirituality. that's why when we talk about historical Oduduwa, people still bring up the tale of coming from the sky on a chain or that Oduduwa is a woman.
and this applies to all deities

ghostofsparta:
Do you mean Oramfe is Ile-Ife or Oramfe is in Ile-Ife ?
Jakuta as I understand from my past research would be classified as a 'TITAN' with divinistic attributes, who hauled boulders hence 'ja kuta' (one who fights by hauling huge boulders) has it ever crossed your mind that there must have existed enormous entities similar to the Greek 'titans' from your Ifa researches but our ancient Ifa folks has no way of translating to us in that way. I have data that points to the existence of giants or titans in ancient Yorubalands lending credence to outer-space earth-visitors theorists and writers such as Eric Von Daniken. I am beginning to agree with my hypothesis that Irunmoles are Titans and Orishas are Gods because I have researching for a long time the difference between the two.

Oramfe is in Ile-Ife. . one of the most important deities in Ife and Ilaje


the Greeks never saw the Titans as different from the Olympians as you do. the titans were forebears of the Olympians as the Titans were preceeded by the Primordials or Protogenos like Ananke, Chronos, Tartarus, Gaia etc

you must bear in mind that the Greeks had different eras with different ideas. .. hence their View on Gods carried different versions

quickly:
Oduduwa was an Egyptian- black Egyptian

Other thing is black Egypt was.attacked.by Arab Muslims similar to isis.

So.every.body was scattering as far as possible because those guys were slaughtering anything that moves .

It could have taken oduduwa 5yrs or less to get SW. Even faster with a horse or camel

It.is very possible. U forget that cars were invented in 1900 but translatic slave trade has been going on be dat

Egyptian black at 12th century chased out by Arabs at 12th century

please go and learn history. Oduduwa got nothing to do with Egypt.

Oduduwa is Yoruba property... no Bini, Mecca, Sudan, Israel or Egypt involved

oduastates:
4th mainland bridge is a shortsighted waste of money as a result of lack of planning.

Flashh:
Those who transports themselves from Ikorodu, ketu and co. To Lagos Island, to and fro everyday will tell you why it's not a waste of money.

o boy, true talk. I moved out of Ikorodu because of the discomfort of the journey to Island. I always felt that Eastern Lagos is marginalized

9jacrip:
My big brothers, I enjoy reading your posts and tapping from knowledge you drop on the pages of nairaland - May Olodumare continue to keep you for me and many others who learn from you both.

My own thoughts are that, Yoruba civilization reveres and ascrbes a deity to any (super) natural phenomenon.

Thus, we have the irunmole and the actual human figure for each phenomenon mostly intertwined which makes it difficult for the 'ogberi' to distonguish what from what.

As for lightening and thunder.

In Ife, it is Oramfe but then there's actual Oramfe figure and history surrounding him. Oramfe, apart from being the deity of lightening and thunder in Ife goes further as the deity of night and day (time) and rain. (His brother also controls rain, can't recall his name right now).

Sango, what was Sango's actual name? Sango the human was not known to control thunder & lightening. He, apart from having popular wives - Osun, Oya, Oba & Ganbiolu, was known for his tempranent and emiting smoke/fire from the mouth and also using stones to fight - stones that cause an explosion of fire upon hiting target - hence, 'Jakuta'. From the Sango human's life style, he was all about smoke, fire & stone not thunder & lightening.

We can say the mattee of lightening & thunder was incorporated into his followership much later and it was copied off of Oramfe.

Obatala is not the name of the isese sect. The worship and followership of Obatala was/is a family thing and we called ourselves Omo Olorisa or Ile Olorisa. There was Obatala the irunmole who created things and was next to Olodumare then there was Obatala the human who existed and didn't start a cult other than Ogboni which one of his sons founded. He was a king and had friends/followership from other kings - Oluorogbo, OrisaIkire, Ijugbe etc who were remained independent but saw him as a senior and most powerful - the Oduduwa war brought a sharp division that made everyone take different sides of the divide. Despite the sign up for his team, an 'Obatala cult' did not arise from it.

What we have is just a family compound upholding Obatala's temple and artefacts, propiatiating him as he requested all revolving around certain guidelines, rules and regulation. I do not see this as a cult

Just my 2 cents even though no one asked me for donations.

nice input egbon.

obarese is the name of Oramfe's brother. and I think Ijugbe is the place in ife where he is worshiped

ghostofsparta:
Macof

I have stated repeatedly that Sango the once Alaafin of Oyo who attained prominence for acquiring Sango-like attributes is different from the actual Sango the Irunmole who is at a level below the prime Irunmoles in the Yoruba pantheon.
One was born a human who wield Sango powers while the other is a deity supernaturally unique like each one of the 401 Irunmoles, all of whom manifest-existed in dual form.

90% of folks and scholars of Yoruba cosmogony unknowingly and mistakenly tend to blend the two together and has thus given critics the opportunity to disregard Sango as no more a human deified into a God.

before the Alaafin, nobody called on the name "Sango". It was Jakuta and the Jakuta cult was reformed by Sango

it's only in places that were under Oyo influence that have Sango. .. In Ife and eastern yoruba areas like Ilaje, it is Oramfe. The center of Sango veneration is Koso, where Sango followers founded...
Oramfe is Ile-Ife

Sango is an orisa not Irunmole.. similar case with Obatala who was the leader of the Cult that came to be known with the Name "Obatala"

lawani:

You can google it, words like suegbe-fool, ika-wicked, lareja-knowledge, ibudo-dwelling place, On-person, ma-know and over half of modern Yoruba vocab was used in exactly thesame way in kemitic Egypt. So that our current language is descended from that language is not debateable. it is the fact. i for one believe our ancestors spoke Akoko dialects in the past. I once heard an Awo on radio saying our old word for house was Arigidi and that Ile is new. That we speak a language descended from kemitic Egypt does not mean we are descended wholly from kemitic Egypt but definitely a large number of them joined us and we adopted the language same way we are now adopting English.

this is what I call gullibility. how can you believe every dumb shiit you read online?
who gave the authors of those online articles the knowledge of the Egyptian language?

all those things are lies Mr. man

absoluteSuccess:
I've wondered why grandma says ehu after greetings most of the time. Yeah she's Fon.

Then I suspected that 'ehu' is 'e Ku'. I don't know how Yoruba words crept into Egun language, because ehu means 'you death'.

Most times the Yoruba words in Egun are already "Egunized", as you have it in the saying "apakrioko" which is Yoruba word.

So I asked mum who was my informant and a very Yoruba as she is Egun. She couldn't break the code either.

But I think, it is Yoruba and it means 'a pa kiri oko' wandering fighters. I think the code mixing is on purpose.

The ancient fathers uses secondary languages to say unpleasant stuffs that are important to be said.

I observed this in how Yoruba often says "Ayanma", is this a corruption of "oyinoma"?

We can relate with this irony, using someone else's (language) good word to say good word to imply the worst in your own language.

For instance, 'e fon dagbe' is a Yoruba slang meaning, 'good as gone' but it is an Egun phrase meaning 'hope you wake up fine?'

The Yoruba are great with words. But often their ideas are paradoxical. There are delicate words beyond our scopes at our disposal.

The best example of complex use of ideas is to be appreciated in Yoruba euphemism.

Most of today's Yoruba unpleasant words are euphemism originally, mo fe ya gbe, I want to branch off to the bush.

This ironically is Yoruba euphemism for using the conveniences. But we now take it to mean (saying) the uncouth word.

But the very Yoruba for the very act, the culprit we are running from is "mo fe se igbonse" that is, "I want to do reflex-and-discharge".

Actually, Igbe is bush, while igbonse is poo. In a way, we sensors the euphemism and protect the vulgar word we intend to sensor.

We sensor 'I want to use the conveniences' and we protected 'I want to defecate'.

I hope someone can relate with the idea I'm striving to put across. its complicated.

I remember when I think of the word "Eran-Igbe" I felt disgusted thinking it as "Poo Meat" only to realize it actually means "Bush meat"

lawani:
Go back 5 thousand years, Yoruba was not spoken anywhere in Nigeria just like English was not spoken anywhere in Britain, the people adopted the language in same way we are adopting English nowadays. I for one believe that the old language of the Yoruba was Akoko but in a proto form more related to Igbo and Edo than it is today. Just like in Britain there are still a few Celtic languages including Irish, Welsh and a few in England, we also have Akokoid languages remaining in Yoruba land. Those languages are directly descended from our old languages. They will be close to Orofe, the old Ife language known to many Awos. The present Yoruba language is descended from the Kemitic Egyptian in exactly thesame way English is descended from old German. Those Akokoid tongues are the old languages of Yoruba people which means the people are more proto Ife than the people in Ile Ife who now speak the new language derived from Kemitic Egyptian.

Yoruba language has nothing to do with Kemetic language. nothing about Yorubas descended from Egypt. we are pure west Africans
if we must trace our origins outside west Africa. .. such proto-YEAI language would still be part of the Niger-Congo languages. .. not an Afro-Asiatic language which ancient Egypt spoke

rileydaddy:
I DONT KNW WHO POST THIZ BUT,TRUELY AM VERY SORRY 4 UR LIFE..SORRY HUH.

is there anything wrong with the post

queenstll:
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Our source confirmed that his contract expired 2 weeks ago and Lil kesh said he’s not interested in renewing the deal.
Lil Kesh will be floating his own label soonest named “YAGI” soon.
Our source further confirmed that this is the main reason why Olamide has not said anything concerning shooting or releasing a video for any Track on the Lil Kesh’s Album… Very Unusual of YBNL.
We’ll keep you all posted as new stories unfold in the YBNL’s Camp.

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Source: http://timenaija.com/exclusive-lil-kesh-to-leave-ybnl-before-end-of-next-month/

to own record label. .. no be everybody e dey help o
Lil kesh should chill

JMAN05:
OK. Jehovah/Yahweh do not make friends from anyone who serves another god. Abraham must turn his back against the moon god before being used by God, Yahweh.

He reproved the Israelites countless times for paying homage to other gods. You should know this so well. That's why your position is inconsistent with what the Bible says.



Far from that„ a genuine Christian works with the truth. Gods word is truth.

Unfortunately for you, Abraham didn't turn his back away from the God of his father's house. .. where in the bible did it appear he did? that Christians hold him so dear to not imagine him a pagan doesn't change real facts revealed by study

in fact knowledge of Yahweh(a tribal mountain God) came to Abraham through an ancient Midianite clan of smiths (these were the Kenites; mentioned severally in the bible) .... Over time Abraham discovered Yahweh as a Personal deity. .. It was yahweh that asked of him; his son Isaac in sacrifice.
notice how The sacrifice was to be done on a mountain
Moses' father-in-law was a kenite and priest of Yahweh. Moses discovered yahweh on a mountain. Mountains like Zion and Horeb(its other side was called Sinai) have been described as Yahweh's dwelling place

in fact if you want biblical proof that Yahweh was just another deity in the list of many deities in the middle east I will give you. so my position is very in line with the bible .... Abraham was just like any average pagan


it seems to me that a "genuine" Christian is one who is blind to truth.

ycat:
Eddiot, your mother must be a Japanese and you know what. if I'm Hausa, you just don't know it as with everything else in your life.

I don't want Yoruba to align with anyone actually, and if at all alliance must be formed to get something done quickly for the benefit of Yoruba, and Yoruba alone, then it must be with Hausa, because they don't hate us with passion, to them, we are just better than other tribes.

You are just bitter cos I'm anti stupid Yoruba who see through your deceit here. You are NOT Yoruba and you know it.

you buffoon. . just shut up and stop disgracing your useless family.
now you know my life. .. I'm not only "Not yoruba" but my mother is Japanese too e ma wo olosi

unfortunately for you Yorubas will align with her fellow southerners sooner than you think.. you are too irrelevant to be taken seriously. you should run back to your stuupid mother ..wherever she is ..

stonemasonn:
Abraham worshiped El Shaddai (god of the mountain).

this is the personal God lawani talked about.

as the deity said to Moses ‘I am Yahweh. To Abraham and Isaac and Jacob I appeared as El Shaddai; I did not make myself known to them by my name Yahweh.’ (Exodus 6:2–3)
yahweh isn't just the Deity of mountains but stars too. .. in the bible. .. countless mention of "Hosts of heaven" under Yahweh's command is made

In the Exodus story, Jethro, Moses’ Kenite (one of the Midianite clans - they were ancient Arabs) father-in-law, is a priest of Yahweh (Exod 18:7-11) even though he is not an Israelite. By combining this observation with Moses’ “discovery” of Yahweh in Midian and other passages, many scholars concluded that Yahweh had originally been a Midianite god whom the Israelites learned about from Jethro via Moses and not Abraham.

Abraham's connection to Yahweh was as a Personal deity ...
we have this in yorubaland too.
one diety can be venerated in your town/family but your personal deity is the one that works with your Ori


Yahweh comes from Sinai.
He dawns upon us from Seir.
he shone forth from Mount Paran. (Deuteronomy 33:2)
this passage tells us where yahweh is really from.

Pls read Habakkuk 3:3-7 see how it describes the origin of Yahweh as well as the fact that his power lays with rocks, mountains and the likes.. a reference to Midian was also made



Deuteronomy 32:8–9 describes the sons of El Elyon(The Most High; not yahweh but a higher God), including Yahweh, each receiving his own people:

When the Most High (Elyon) gave the nations their inheritance,
when he separated humanity,
he fixed the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of divine beings,
for Yahweh's portion is his people,
Jacob his allotted heritage.

lawani:
Idolatory is good. Why do you think it is bad? Is it offensive in any way?

Even Christianity and Islam embrace idolatry. ... although many don't realize
the bible, quran, crucifix, tesbil, the black stone in Mecca etc are all idols

but idol worshipping is a different level. to call someone an idol worshipper is silly and a grand show of idiocy

truthman2012:
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Yes, your opinion about Yuletide is false. Yuletide or Christmas celebrated by the Christians is in remembrance of the birth of Jesus. It is a day unanimously chosen in Christendom to remember Jesus birth. Look at the meaning of Yelutide below:

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/yuletide

it's not my opinion but facts.
look at the celebration of yuletide. .. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule

see the resemblance to Christmas? same pagan practices on the same dates


why was the day of a pagan festival. ..the biggest festival in pagan Europe chosen to remember Jesus?

why celebrate Jesus birthday on a day that isn't his birth date?
you see pagan influence in christendom?

Easter, as I have told you before, is also to commemorate the death of Jesus. You lied by saying Christians celebrate idol Ishtar. That the names sound alike doesn't mean they are the same. Easter is not the same as Ishtar. No Christian celebrate Easter for Ishtar as you wrongly asserted.

Ishtar is not an idol but a Goddess. ..
Why celebrate Easter on a date determined by the movement of the moon and other celestial bodies? same method used by pagan Babylonian cults

I bet you didn't know the Catholic Church uses mathematicians and astronomers to determine the changing dates of Easter

you probably never asked yourself why easter changes dates. ...ignorance of your religion seems to be your pleasure

Which pagans celebrate Yuletide on December 25? For which idol are they celebrating their Yuletide? What is the meaning of Yuletide? Yuletide means festival. Yuletide, a name for festival can be adopted by any religion.

like I said there are different names for Christmas. ..weihnachten, Navidad, day of the solstice, yuletide etc
the origin of the festival is pagan not Christian

read the link above for clarity

Celebration of Christmas is not a commandment in the Bible and the reason for some Christians not celebrating it. But if a day is chosen to celebrate the birth of our saviour Jesus Christ, it goes.

why was it chosen to celebrate Jesus? what special reason if not a way to retain pagan practices that were hard to erase
Christmas season is the period the winter sun comes up... and there's much merriment. ...Yule actually means Merriment. ... was there merriment at the birth of Jesus?
give way for the sun God for Christmas is truly a celebration for the birth of the Sun(for the new year)

Jesus was killed on the cross. How did the cross used in Israel in killing Jesus look like? Was the cross designed by the Christians, who never existed at that time? What does it matter if the cross used by the enemies of God who killed Jesus looked like Egyptian mystic? The event of using the cross to kill Jesus has overtaken that of Egyptian mystic.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/7849852/Jesus-did-not-die-on-cross-says-scholar.html

Jesus wasn't killed on a crucifix like that

it was a straight pole. .. ask jehovah witness why they don't ever reference the crucifix

it's a pagan symbol in Christianity. ..and the bible never said Jesus died on a crucifix of such shape. .. read the link above for clarity

JMAN05:
As Christians we don't think that all the story ends with the bible. However, since we accept the bible as an inspired book and we don't believe Koran is, we thus view it with suspicion.

Any book that contradict what the bible has to say is wrong. If not for you, it is to any genuine Christian. As such, combining the bible with Koran and other sources you have there, and concluding that Abraham venerated idol is unacceptable to a genuine Christian. That makes the info above irrelevant to us.

still I ask, what part of the op contradicts Genesis account of the life of Abraham?

I never said Abraham venerated an idol. ..he was a Pagan who never turned his back against the moon God of his people...totally different thing

is a genuine Christian one that rejects knowledge and truth, to settle for half baked piece of information that most certainly contains distortions?

Krismart:
Rubbish. Why have d North as one and then divide the south into SE, SS and SW so that they will always have divided votes. And the south foo.lishely agree.

this is why I say d south needs to be united

ycat:
Yes I'm Hausa or even Japanese just like your whoorre mother.

Yoruba will one day wake up and it will be game over for you wall geckos.

see buffoon. ... unfortunately for you my mother is neither Japanese nor a whoore

it's paining you that Yorubas cannot ally with the north.... get ur hausa self outta here

Kulas:
Hausa's are not.It is a product of Zoning arrangement.Are you expecting the North to rule only four years of PMB and hands off? so that power will again move to the south.No!.Obj and GEJ are all South and calculate the number of years they ruled.The point here is that for sure ,the North will go for atleast 8 years if not 12 years.Thats is 8 years if PMB want to go for second term under APC or 12 years under APC or PDP if PMB dont want to go second term come 2019,then another Northerner under APC will fly the ticket and go for 8 years if he or she win the election till 2027,ofcourse he or she will go for second term making it North to rule for 12 years.Also if a Northerner fly PDP ticket 2019 and win,he or she will occupy till 2027,still on the norm of ruling for two term,hence PMB four years plus the Northern PDP 8 years which is 12 years.So as it is now in Nigeria politics,the North will rule for atleast 8 to 12 years starting from 2015 of PMB.

be deceiving yourself. no northerner is Taking that sit after Buhari. if buhari loses in 2019...or dies as president, a Southerner takes over

Islie:
…South-south to produce Reps Speaker




http://sunnewsonline.com/2019-pdp-zones-president-to-north-vp-goes-to-south-east/

beginning of failure for PDP
igbos cannot be enticed by VP position.

and why north again? is buhari not from the northwest? unless pdp means North central

pdp wants to make the same mistake of before. .. SW for deputy senate president? Yorubas won't vote this one o

adenine02:
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#istillstandwiththisgovt














exactly two yrs ago
today






over hundred pple was blown to pieces
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and over two hundred girls were abducted frm dr school in NE









and the beafrod hero was seen doin this that day

and what is wrong with the picture? president cannot go for an event again? did he know beforehand that all that atrocities will happen the very day?

JMAN05:
All these has no relevance to a xtain. merging the Bible with Koran is the mistake here.

you are wrong. . Abraham is a key figure for Christian religion. Christians should strive to know more about him.... this is what I'm trying to help you with.

sources aren't only from bible and Koran but also anthropologic studies of Mesopotamia and the lands Abraham ventured into

you should not reject knowledge just because what is being said isn't in the bible. ...Abraham goes beyond the bible

ycat:
He's one of the ibos claiming to be Yoruba. Watch out for monikers like tonytony208, macof, Ooni, wolfslair among others.

and you must be an hausa (or some other northern) LovePeddler


no Matter how hard you try, Yorubas will never ally

johnydon22:
Ignore the attention seeker who cannot make a simple sentence without managing to jam and insult and gibberish in one sentence.

not worth your time...

I see. .. I missed religion section and all its crazy folks

truthman2012:
Christianity is not guilty of paganism, it is your false opinion as you have been unable to susbstatiate your assertions with concrete proofs from the Bible other than hearsay. The onus of proof lies squarely on you. If you go outside of the Bible to show your proof, it is not acceptable because it is the opinions of the enemies of Christianity. Everything I am saying about islam is from the quran and hadiths, their own sources.

my false opinion? did I invent the festival of yuletide (now called Christmas)? or did I invent the Goddess Ishtar (that is celebrated during easter) or did I give the Egyptian mystic cults the symbol of the cross?
this is not my opinion at all but facts.


bible is your last resort abi? show me where in Bible, Christmas or any Christmas activity( tending trees and light decorations) was performed....but it was performed by pagans on December 25th for Yuletide
show me where easter was performed by Christians in the bible. ...and where in the bible were you told to decorate eggs and feast with rabbits. ...but pagans did this in honor of Ishtar

show me where it was stated in the crucifixion that Jesus died on a cross shaped like the Egyptian mystic symbol



you are only in denial. .. bible cannot save you here. ... you will end up ignoring the thread in shame at last. .. I'll keep watching

blueAgent:
Clown. Abraham's family were idol worshippers but Abraham himself feared God. and that is why God called him out from his country .

there's nothing like idol worshipping. no human being worships idol. .. what is done is Veneration of the Divine; idols are elements of veneration not objects that are worshipped


Abraham feared his God. ..doesn't mean he wasn't a pagan. Pagans fear their God much more than you religionists


God called him out of his country? as a herdsman why do you think he needed to be called out of his country? obviously for greener pasture for the herd and flock

nowhere did Genesis say he turned his back on the God of his father's house
the evidence is overwhelming. .. Abraham was a Pagan like his people back home

lawani:
Pls quote the Bibllcal reference to Mecca, we are all learning.

start with Genesis 21 : 21 Paran is the Hebrew name for the wilderness around Mecca. ... & 25 : 12 - 18
notice how Verse 18 gives a geographic description that fits Arabia.

numbers 10:12 tells that the Hebrews on exodus from Egypt, left Sinai to Paran (which is the area surrounding Mecca)

1 Kings 11:17-18 states that when
Hadad the Edomite fled from Edom to Egypt, he passed through Midian and Paran on the way to Egypt. This means that Paran was a place on the way to Egypt right after Midian from Edom.... this fits the northern tip of Al-Hijaz

Psalms 84:5 & 6.. Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee...who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well...

Baca is Makkah/Mecca

It is generally acknowledged that Nimrod lived 5000 years ago and Abraham lived around the time too. Jewish accounts say his father was working for Nimrod.

general knowledge that Nimrod lived 5000 years ago it's not even general knowledge that Nimrod ever existed.

Jewish accounts say Abraham was thrown into fire by a Sumerian King. ...no name of the Sumerian king given. .. everyone just seems to call up the name "Nimrod"
"Namrud" or "Nimrod" was the arabic/Hebrew name of the Sumerian God of hunt - Ninurta
not an actual person from Sumer

Nimrod is the person referred to as father of Oduduwa in Yoruba stories but he was his ancestor and not his father because Oduduwa lived not more than 1500 years ago.

Pls take this to culture section. it has no place here

Anything can be written by Jews but they are not in a position to tell the stories of other people. They just can not go and say these are the children of Esau while others are the children of Ishmael. Abraham was just one man of millions and during his days there were many nations, he himself encountered many Kings in Bible stories. So there is no way he can be the father of so many people. Haggai was an Egyptian or Ethiopian, so when sent away she would have returned with her child to her people and not to Sumeria. There are many prominent people in pre Judaic South Arabian history and it is blasphemous to say those people are descendants of Abraham. They are not.

When someone is credited as father or founder of a people. ..doesn't mean all the people are actual descendants by blood.

Ishmael and his mother didn't return to Egypt or move to Sumer, they left Abraham and met the Jurhum arabs.....many other ancient Arabs exist ie. Thamud, Ad, Kenites, Amalekites, Jadis, Qahtan

truthman2012:
Christianity is not a religion, it is a way of life. Besides, as a born-again Christian, you are sure of your relationship with God by His Spirit. So it doesn't matter what anybody says.

topic has finally changed.
well for your information. Christianity is not a way of life. ... culture is a way of life
culture is integral to an ethnic identity.
Christianity doesn't fit into culture. ..but religion

It doesn't matter what anybody says when sure of your religion? good! then shut up and stop talking down Islam for the same thing Christianity is guilty of

Christianity is Paganism mixed with Judaism

truthman2012:
There is nothing new you have said lately. Re-read the thread and you will discover you are only repeating what you had said sometime ago, which I have trashed over and over again

now you really don't know what to say. . it's to be expected after landing a heavy blow of facts about your religion that you never knew