₦airaland Forum

lawani:
The name Ishmael was found only in the Torah as at 100 AD. Nobody bore the name. Mohammed was born in the 7th century AD, prior to that Meccans never heard the name Ishmael, except if some Arab Christians heard of it. The whole concept of Arabs descending from Ishmael is a sick notion fundamentally flawed and has no basis. People living in South Arabia used to bear names like Nebuchadnezzar, Haman and etc. Not a single one of them had a Torah or Bible name. Abraham left South Arabia around 3000 BC according to Jews, visited Egypt and many other places, died and was buried in Canaan. He did not leave children behind in South Arabia, neither did his children return there at any time. South Arabians dont know him. He is known only to Jews.

The father of South Arabians is actually Nimrod who was ancestor to people like Nebuchadnezzar and who is known to Yorubas as Lamurudu.

I guess the biblical references to the Qederites and Mecca are also 100AD .... in fact ishmael did not exist neither did Esau who the Torah claims to have married a daughter of Ishmael



What has Yorubas got to do with this

correction: Abraham was 2000Bc not 3000Bc

IndianBwoy:
The true Arabs are from Qahtan. Not from any judaic connection of ishmael which was forged post-islam. Every Arab knows that. Abraham never built the Kaaba.

of course. ..but this doesn't dispute the op on the grounds that Abraham was Pagan - his "Arabized" descendants are proof

lawani:
Abraham lived in Sumeria and Nimrod was his King. Nimrod would have been older than his father. Any Abraham story in the Quran, not corroborated by Jews are pure lies, figments of the imagination of Prophet Mohammed because Abraham is the property of Jews just like Ogun is the property of Yorubas. Those who knew Abraham learnt of him from Jews and not from anywhere else. His story got to Arabs through Judaism, Christianity and Islam and that was from whom Mohammed first heard the name., So any Abraham story not corroborated by Jews are pure lies.

Since Abraham was a Sumerian, it does not need telling before knowing that he was an original Earth man and his people today are Aborisha, Shinto, Hindu and etc. Not Christians and Muslims who are barbarians.

and what about Abraham from the Arabs doesn't correlate with the records of the Jews?

most Arabs are descendants of Abraham just like the Jews and have every right to their ancestor. ...except for the Qahtan Arabs(the only surviving aborigines)
all the Arabs of Al-Hijaz are descendants of Abraham through Ishmael

you can say Abraham didn't build (or maybe even didnt lay the foundation of the kaaba) but to say his descendants never resided in Mecca cannot be taken seriously

funny people on nairaland.

why not just face history the way it is instead of sitting down and inventing stories

JIGHU:
ODU TO DA IWA IS NEVER THE SAME AS ODUDUWA, IT IS A CLEVER MANIPULATION BY YOU .....IWA AND UWA ARE NOT SAME THING....UWA MEANS HOME IN BENIN LANGUAGE AND IWA MEANS ATTITUDE IN YORUBA.....HOW ODU TO DA IWA CAN MEAN ODUDUWA MUST REALLY CONFOUND YOU WHO CRAFTED IT

you dont speak yoruba so whats all this nonsense?

bini and inferiority complex

JIGHU:
THE NAME IS IZEDUWA OR EKALADAREN ...LIKE I SAID BEFORE YORUBA EXISTED LONG BEFORE ODUDUWA AND HE DID NOT FOUND YORUBA LANGUAGE.....PEOPLE LIVED IN IFE BEFORE HE CAME (THE ASSUMPTION THAT ODUDUWA OR IZEDUWA FOUNDED THE YORUBA RACE IS THE MOST UNFOUNDED POSIT OF ALL TIME) NAMES LIKE OKODUWA, OMOJUWA,IZEDUWA STILL EXIST TODAY IN BENIN BECAUSE IT IS PART OF THE LANGUAGE BUT NOBODY BEARS ODUDUWA OR CLOSE TO IT IN YORUBA LAND.....

this guy is a slowpoke sha. How is Oduduwa the same as Izeduwa.... where did you throw the "odu" to?

oduduwa is the founder of the Yoruba nation... founder doesnt mean first to inhabit or Language inventor....get some sense

shut up ignoramus... Oduduwa Emmanuel is a player in the Nigeria's under 23 squad

Annunaki:
Yes the bible made it clear that abraham's people were pagan before God called him out.

and so was Abraham till the end of his days

truthman2012:
All your assertions are mere formulations without authoritative backing.

I have clearly refuted all your posts earlier and wonder why you keep repeating the same thing .

you got nothing to say. damned hypocrite....you can attack islam for the same thing christianity is guilty of

truthman2012:
macof



1.
No, you are wrong.



We didn't copy the Ancient Egyptians. We use cross symbol because Jesus was killed on the cross.



2.
Says who ?

Did the pagans call their festival "Christmas? Did they have Christ in their mas? If both Christians and pagans have "mas" common in their festivals, it is only a coincidence of language, afteral, Christians don't manufacture their own language differently.

Do Christians celebrate Christmas for 12 days?



3.
Did the Babylonians call their celebration Easter? Show proof

Christian Easter is celebrated in remembrance of the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ. It has no connection with paganism. Nobody carries symbols decorated with Eggs and Rabbit on Easter day.



No, Christianity was founded after Jesus Christ and not after any pagan idols.

im here to teach you your dumb religion, apparently you are ignorant of your own religion

1.
there's absolutely no reference to the shape or design of the wood work Jesus was crucified on... historians believe it was a straight Stake.... ever wondered why Jehovah witnesses dont use the cross?
ask yourself, where did the Romans get the idea of a cross? - The Egyptian Pagans

2.
The Name is irrelevant as christmas is known by different names in different languages, from "Navidad" in Spanish to "Weihnachten" in German.
even in english we still say "Yuletide" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule

pls read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Days_of_Christmas for more knowledge on your religion

ever wondered why you use christmas trees and christmas lights? - its a pagan rite

3. "Easter" is simply a corruption of the name of the Babylonian Godess...
why not tell us why
I. eggs and rabbits - same symbols of the Pagan festival of Ishtar - is used in Christian festival of Easter
II. tell us the meaning of "Easter" if its not a corruption of "Ishtar


jesus ke? you mean the same "Jesus" which actually means "Hail Zeus" from "Ie seus"....go learn Greek...or listen to "Jesus" pronounced by Spanish or Italian speakers
I hope you are aware that the dead jewish gay wasnt called "Jesus" but "Yeshua..."jesus" is a fake name

you mr. truthman2012 are an idol worshipper just like the muslims since your religion has a lot of paganism in it

Annunaki . at least you did not dispute the fact that the cities Abraham lived were major cities of Moon God worship, and at a time when one's profession spoke of the deity he venerated...as a Herdsman Abraham must have been faithful to the MoonGod

Annunaki:
Your analogy is faulty as Abraham never visited mecca talkless of building the kabba. Infact the city of mecca did not exist until about three hundred years before mohammed whilst abraham lived at least 3,000 years before him. The whole Abraham thing in the islamic religion was conjured up by mohammed to give credence to his newly invented religion.

this is so wrong, Mecca might not have been a city during the time of Abraham doesnt mean the land was never inhabited or at least visited.

the wilderness (surrounding Mecca) of Faran was mentioned in Genesis 21:21 as the area Ishmael settled
and arab records have it that the sons of the first son of Ishmael, Nabaioth built Mecca but was later controlled by the Quraysh, descended from Qedar(ishmael's 2nd son).... this is not islamic or mohammed's teachings but pre-islamic records of history

most True Arabs(not the wannabees) are descended from Ishmael, especially through his Two eldest sons Nabaioth and Qedar.

truthman2012:
Do we do what pagans do like the muslims?

Idol worship is worshiping idols.

yes you do what pagans do

1. you use the symbol of the cross which is a mystic symbol from Ancient Egypt

2. you celebrate Christmas - which is really a 12 days pagan festival for the Sun God... ever heard the Christmas Carol "12 days of Christmas"?

3. you just celebrated Easter, you probably didnt know that; This Holiday is in honour of the Babylonian Goddess of Fertility Ishtar, which the canaanites called Astarte and Hebrews called Asherah. Ever wondered why The Easter symbols are decorated Eggs and Rabbits? there's the answer


So if Pagans are idol worshippers, and muslims are also idol worshippers for having pagan origin so is christianity

Paganism is the origin of everything!

truthman2012:
Did you read the OP ?
How else do you want me to prove?

of course i did. but how are muslims different from you? again ans my question
what is idol worship?

truthman2012:
Prove.

lol... see who is askin fr proof!
u called others idol worshippers did u prove dat? i asked u what "idol worship" means did you give an answer?

so just STFU!

Im back to the Religion Section

Like I said before Islam is plagiarized from Christianity, Judaism and Arab pagan practices centered around the Moon God
Let's look at the known history. ..
In Mesopotamia, the moon God was Sin-Nanna who's patron are Herdsmen and patron cities were Haran and Ur. Abraham was a native of Ur and he moved to Haran in his later years with his family. Arab records has it that the Kabba was built by Abraham and Ishmael. When the Kabba was cleared out the major God who's idol was found is called "Hubal" identified with the moon, rain and divination...let's see, what possible connection exist here?
Abraham was a Herdsman who owned cattle and flock of Sheep which were his only means of livelihood ( the bull is a symbol of Sin-Nanna, his other symbol is the crescent ). Lot was also described as a Herdsman, Abraham's family were probably herdsmen, as they were led by their father, Terah to Haran (possibly looking for greener pastures for the cattle and flock). Abraham and Lot left Haran to Canaan, they moved as far as Egypt and according to the arabs they reached mecca. ..you know how herdsmen walk long distances with their cows.
Looking at all the divine instructions the bible and quran narrates Abraham got from God one can conclude these instructions were through divination which Hubal is strongly identified with
Hubal is said to have come to Mecca from Mesopotamia. ..and the major cities of a moon God veneration were the cities Abraham lived in. No doubt "Hubal" is the arab rendition of Sin-Nanna, and over time associated with Baal Hadad, God of weather of the nearby Canaanites
The Quraysh tribe of mecca claim to be descended from Ishmael, and these are the people that were the custodians of the Kabba, a duty they performed since it's foundation. During the muslim vs pagan wars, the Quraysh praised their God by the name "Hubal"
Mohammed was a member of the Quraysh tribe and his family were devoted to Hubal, his grandfather was known to use the Hubal divination, and named his(Mohammed's) father "Abdullah" - servant of Allah. . We can clearly see that Hubal is Allah, the same deity the Kabba was built for by Ishmael
Mohammed simply incorporated aspects of Judaism like "one God" and their numerous prophets and icons , he even made mention of Christianity as practiced in Arabia - the arab Christians were known to take the trinity as - Father, Son and Mother

this is my old post from another thread which i thought to make a topic out of


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truthman2012:
The only one god the muslims worship is an Arabian idol and that is why you worship him like idolaters worship their idols. You don't worship the true God the same way they worship idols.

dude shut ur mouth. u are also an idol worshipper if we must use the term

OROSUNBOLB:
Trust me,North is not the problem. The last time I checked,the attack came from the East through Ore in Ondo state !

you would be gullible to think the northerns are your friends
With the igbos...they are mere chestbeaters in need of security, economic empowerment and sense of freedom...these same thing yorubas sought for in form of Regionalism and Resource control which the north denies us.. out of the stupidity of the South to remain at eachothers throats throwing verbal attacks while hausa traders cause havok in lagos, fulani herdsmen destroy farms, kill our men and rape our women

In the lagos brawl, some yoruba people who survived reported that they were spared for speaking hausa...speaking hausa in your own land.... what a shame! we now act like conquered people

tell me when have igbos dared kill the innocent in yorubaland?

if u think attacks arent coming from the north then you must have been living in a cage in the bush


pls go to get a video of all the evil committed by the hausas in Lagos some weeks ago....i can send to you if u so need a clip

puritygen:
CAPITAL NO, YOU PEOPLE "YORUBA" ARE BACK STABERS.......

really? what nation hasnt stabbed a back in its history?
lol... you igbos like bringing up yorubas are back stabers but u forgot u had invaded our land, and yet blast with verbal attackers

igbos cannot be relevant in the socio-politics of Nigeria without the help of fellow southerns..chiefly Yorubas

shadrach77:
He is trying to to back to the roots. That's the way Oduduwa, the first Ooni used to dress. Remember Ooni is first and foremost a priest before being an Oba

all obas and olus should be in mystic associations first and foremost....that is if yoruba traditions and the memory of our ancestors be respected

OROSUNBOLB:
Yorubas are definitely not the 'Bosnians' in this context. Asides the fact that Yoruba people are strategic thinkers and planners,SW region is strategically located. It cannot be encircled and Isolated in an event of civil war in Nigeria.

More importantly,Yoruba people are not found in Nigeria alone. There are millions of indigenous Yoruba people all over the world-Benin Republic,Togo,Ghana, Brazil,Cuba,Peru,Trinidad and Tobago,the U S,Venezuela, etc. These are the natural Allies of the Yoruba nation within Nigeria. If you think these people will fold their arms and allow yoruba people to be exterminated by any tribe in Nigeria or outside, you simply don't know the meaning of Oduduwa!

We cannot be defeated by any tribe in Nigeria. It is not possible.

wo egbon ... maa lo tan ara e
dont deceive urself

the governments of most of the countries u mentioned arent natural allies of yoruba nation
the only countries worth mentions are Benin, Togo and Cuba

yorubas should be prepared for any attacks from the north

Tallesty1:
That Ori-Okpa(first ix) get swagg die.

and im feeling the secound one

Hagm0nd:
More like syncretism and seeing their deities in symbolism

yes this is one way aborisha can be practiced

lodscott:
just to be clear...
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days."

thank you for this. arabs and hebrews have always behaved alike

eagleccentric:
Thanks bro for the above.
Truth be told, every group has its own cultural history whether oral or written. However you look at it, the Benin history of Prince Ikalederan/Oduduwa makes more sense than what the yorubas hold on to that Oduduwa descended from heaven with a great chain. I wonder how people can believe such a fairy tale in this generation.. (SMH)

The fact that the yorubas were the first to embrace western education and hence the first writers of modern Nigerian history does not make the fables that was shoved down our throats in primary and secondary schools to be reality.

OP please forget about fairy tales and embrace reality. It is a known and accepted fact that Benin empire were the first to have have ambassadors in the royal courts in Europe but do we force that down the throats of others??

For those still doubting, i leave you with a simple question: How comes the name ODUDUWA has a Benin meaning but yet no known yoruba meaning or translation??

oduduwa came from Orun(u may choose to translate this as heaven or sky) thats what it is. however the oduduwa you should be talking about isnt the Sky Oduduwa but the earthly one who WHO CAME FROM OKE-ORA northeast of Ife
just because he didnt come from the sky doesnt mean he came from Benin.... same way u called ur first dynastic kings "kings from the sky" doesnt mean they actually came from the sky
stop acting like benin doesnt have its own myths which get woven into history





lol. but u arent even yoruba and cant speak d language. how do u expect to know the meaning of a yoruba name?

bigfrancis21:
It is quite interesting to think that Obatala means 'he/she has entered' in Igbo language.

so are you saying obatala has igbo origin?

Beremx:
you don't have sense. i wonder what's funny. so i cannot criticize a government i voted for that is not performing? I wail for a better government and i am not like you who wail because Jonathan lost.

You better stop disturbing my mentions. O buru n gi ka m ga aria zi

maybe the wailers wail not for the man "Jonathan" but that they always knew Jonathan was a better option

mikolo80:
e be like say my people enjoy suffering. how can people with brains prefer pdp to anything

is the suffering under the incompetence of buhari better for you? how much is apc giving u for your brain?

emperorgoke:
so Noah and his descendant not part of history? This is one of the untold history of Africa, u mean the ORIGIN of black race on earth not part of history? I am not a theologist, I'm a Social scientist " Geographer" nd have read so many archeologist papers. Nimrod and Tafari(Haile Selassie) should be on the list. Emperor Haile Selassie is the only king respected by Jamaicans in Africa. Take it or leave it

yes, Noah is not so much an historical figure as he is a religious figure

origin of black race got nothing to do with the Jewish religious text

excuse me but why do you think nimrod is African (assuming such a person ever existed)
I have nothing against Haile Selassie

emperorgoke:
bro! Google the name, king of shinar, the Grandson of Noah in the Bible. The Grandson of Ham the youngest son of Noah

you seem to pick your points from religious texts and beliefs ..

We talking history here sir not theology or anything of the sort

more on ikere history please

triplewisdom:
Really?

believe that comedian at your own peril

Freegift75:
Yes exactly

The man Onayelu who was the hunter to settle where we know as Ijebu Igbo today married igbo woman. When they settled, the woman came with four of her siblings. The name Ijebu (Igbo) originated from the identity of the igbo woman

I don't know about who Onayelu married but Ijebu igbo named after ibos is a big joke