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Banderas:
A question I always ask myself. But saying they were gardeners is quite unwise. At the time of Jesus, ethiopea was by far a wealthier region than judea was. And gardener? Really? Do you think people had domestic servants then? There were slaves. And Judea being an "occupied area" would mean jews were more likely to be slaves than slave owners.

Personally, I don't even think they actually saw Jesus in the way we think they did. It makes no sense. The whole idea of Jesus ascending to heaven is a bit strange - No human being is supposed to be able to see God.

There's an extra body in the whole tale, where there should only be a spirit.

But your ethiopean story,  nah.

Banderas:
Kehm? Naah. it was just a name. Think Arnold Schwarznegger.

I believe the egyptians were darker than they are today. I believe the same of the israelites. I also believe Jesus Christ wasn't caucasian.

But what do I know?

And Marlbon - surely you jest. Ethiopean gardeners? hahaha.

Abuzola:
Do you hear how you sound ? Like a myserable mortal, no one will tell you that Allah is an angel, why not go through wikipaedia instead of rambling. Moses, enoch, jacob, elisha and many others met God according to the bible. You need to go back to school bro

alimat 2:
@OLAADEGBU

Im nt a fool that follows a doctrine without solid spiritual bases/backing, Thank u for ur sermon

if u wanna convince me of ur Jesus,god and the Hsprite put together as 1 then i want u to tell me if trinity is the same God of Abraham,Jacob,moses, etc.

For me to accept ur view i need to be convinced without confusion about who Jesus really is god,son of god, son of man,etc.

Since it has being stateted in the bible that Jesus brought the message of ONE TRUE GOD and it as being confirmed in the Koran the GOD IS ONE AND NOT TRINITY OR FRACTION gOD(1+1+1=3 or 1/3 god).then y wont i serve that ONE TRUE GOD of Abraham,moses, Jacob,Noah,Jesus,Mohamed(PBUT) instead of serving a god that is not complete(fraction).

I keep hearing this on the religious thread. You do not have to be convinced. Truth is truth and does not depend on your conviction. You rather depend on truth. Scientist looking for truth have discovered the truth about the flood and Noahs ark. God does his things without minding whether we believe him or not. The first chapter of the book of John was a direct inspiration direct from God Almighty and till date remains the most powerful religious verse ever written. In koran "We", plural is constantly used as a statement from God. It is a mystery, because in this case 1+1+1=1, whereas our natural answer is 3.

The Lord that interacted with Abraham, Jacob, Moses, etc was an angel of God. Christ confirmed that when he came. Similarly Mohammed received his messages from An Angel - Allah.

Lik u quote the holy quoran and u read about Jesus and other Prophets, i guess the quoran did not tell u that God has son or he is 1/3.The quoran told u not to discriminate among the prophet.
Since u know the son of god can u tell me who his father,mother and wife is?

alimat 2:
Pls i will like to know if the ONE TRUE GOD of the old testament that NOAH, ABRAHAM, JACOB, ISAIAH, ISSAC,MOSES and other men of God worship is still the same Trinity/Jesus of the new testament

becos the God of the new testament is Trinity/Jesus and the God of the old testament is ONE TRUE GOD CALLED JEHOVAH

Has the God change or its still the same?




Since i was born and now that am old i have never seen the Lord change but now am confused

kola oloye:
Have you ever seen/ read these before?

1. Exodus 6:3
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty,
but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

2. Psalm 83:18
That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

3. Isaiah 12:2
Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song;
he also is become my salvation.

4. Isaiah 26:4
Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength:

May kelly:
Bible said in John 1verse1 

[b]In the Beginging was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

and the same was in the begining with God

John bare witness of Him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.[/b]


John did not say " he that cometh is my second person or rather myself again - likewise other prophet that had gone b/4 Jesus.

So do not let pple deceive you - Jesus will come as a messiah and will answer Jesus - He was never Angel Michael, nor john the baptist nor what have you. because bible made it clear that God created Angels with Him in Heaven.

John the baptist is not Elijah pls do not let confussion fill ur mind.

kola oloye:
Where did you learn that from

May kelly:
There is but only ONE KING of Kings " Jesus Christ".

olumba is never and can never and his never the kings of kings.

Even in the grave Jesus is LORD.

^{DO not be decived!}

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Bobbyaf:
Here is my take on what will happen at the rapture:

What happens when Jesus comes for His church? Several things:

1. The living righteous and the resurrected saints are caught up to meet Him in the air, (see 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17)

2. The living wicked are struck dead by His glory and brightness,
2 Thess. 1:6-10 say, "6Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; 7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day."

In 1 Thessalonians Paul speaks of the first resurrection and associates it with the righteous who died. John in Revelation 20: 5,6 say this, "5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

The rest of the dead in verse 5, obviously means the wicked who did not resurrect when Jesus came back the second time. They will be resurrected after 1,000 years. John like Paul associates the first resurrection with God's elect who had died before Jesus came back. I'd go on to say that the first resurrection will comprise all of God's people from all dispensations, which includes those who lived before the cross, and those who lived during and after the cross. The Cross of Jesus spans all dispensations.

The earth will be empty of humans during the 1000 years.

The second coming of Jesus would have been so gloriously powerful and majestic that the earth will be broken up. John describes it as follows - Revelation 6:14-17 "14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.  15 and the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Peter describes it as follows - 2 Peter 3:10-12, "10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?"


The only life forms that will survive are Satan and His demons. According to John in Revelation 20 Satan is bound for 1,000 years. It will not be a physical binding as such, but a circumstantial one, meaning since the earth has no human form for him to tempt and deceive, his "hands are tied", so to speak. He will be left to contemplate for 1,000 years his fate, and what a mess he made of things.

Even the OT prophets saw what the day of the Lord would have been like:

Jeremiah 4:23-26 say, "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. 24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. 25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. 26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger."

Jeremiah 25:33 says, "33 And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground."

Isaiah 24:1,3 says, "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof. 3 The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken this word."

So there is unity in what the scriptures have to say concerning the destruction that will occur at the day of the Lord. Jesus is coming back as Lord of Lords, and King of Kings. He is not coming back to give anyone a second chance. Humans had ample time to pay attention to the gospel. Jesus said, "This gospel shall be a witness"

All the mockers of the bible and Jesus, God's Only-Begotten Son, will be rudely awakened. Soon and very soon we shall see the KING.

Hmm, interesting, Let us take it one by one

Meet him in the air and so shall we ever be him. So you will be with Christ suspended in the air for ever! Good for you my friend, but I don't think that will happen as the air is actuall the world. You will meet with him and be with him in the world.

2. Yes, the bad guys will be punished. Remember we are not told that the punishment will occur immediately he arrives. There will be some time lapse before he is revealed. That was why he compared it to the days of Noah.

3. I notice you are confused about the 1000yrs and the first ressurrection. Let me explain. After Christ died, he started ruling. The 1000yrs reign started with the death of the disciples and faithfuls who were killed. The 1000yr reign was from the heavens and we are past that stage now. Remember he said that all powers were given to him in heaven and on earth. For you to be qualified for the first ressurection, you first must die with him (be baptized of the holy spirit: when you are dipped in the water you are dead in him, when you leave the water, you ressurrect in Him). When you have been baptized subsequent physical death has no hold on you . If you die before his coming, it means little as you will surely regenerate when he appears. When you regenerate, you will not be overtaken by the 2nd death.

3. It is wrong doctrine to say the earth will be empty of humans. Christ went to great pains to tell us how the end will look like , including giving us signs and telling us that two people will be together, one will be taken and the other lrft. He is simply saying that the evil ones will be elliminated from the world. Note he did not say Christians or Muslims or aetheist, He only classified two classes of people. the righteous and the unrighteous. The righteous have a reward, they inherit the earth.

4. He comes as a thief in the night. A thief does not come with noise. He comes with stealth, taking you unawares. It means that when he comes, you may not know untill he reveals himself to the world. The ones that will know will be the ones he chooses. That is why when he is revealed, the world would mourn. They will mourn because even in his second coming he will not expected to find faith among men. That explains him liking the second coming to the days of Noah. Are you sure he is not already with us?

MrCrackles:
This is serious. . . . .

SoWhat77:
No matter what David says about my beliefs I will continue to preach what I believe to be the truth. Just as he comes to this board with his beliefs I will come with mine. It is up to the individual to believe what they will and I nor he should have the right to try to influence someone else with insults and degrading speech. So I will refrain from arguing with him directly because I am not here to argue against David but to argue on behalf of Jehovah God and the teachings that I believe to be false.

With that said, I will say that there are going to be ones caught up in the clouds with the lord, but it is not in a literal sense. Again I will say that the bible speaks of 144.000 that have been bought from the earth, already chosen to rule with Christ in heaven. These are the ones that scripture was speaking of.But what it was concerning was the fact that have not died at the time of Christ's coming. These ones will die but will not remain in death awaiting their Resurrection to heaven. They will instantly"in a twinkling of an eye" be taken to heaven. When other es  of this chosen group have died we do not know exactly when God resurrected them to heaven but for these ones that are left until Christ's coming will probably never experience death because their Resurrection will be immediate.

Now there is a lot of talk about about Elijah ascending to the heavens, but if you look at John 3 :13 Jesus clearly stated No man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the son of man Also again I will say that at 2 Kings 2:1 it says  when God was to take Elijah in a windstorm up to the heavens it did NOT say He took him into heaven. If you compare Genesis 1:6-8  it says and God went on to say let an expanse come to be in between the waters and let a dividing occur between  the waters and the waters7 then God proceeded to make expanse and to make division between the waters that should be beneath the expanse and it came to be so.8 And God began to call the expanse heaven. And in verse 20 it says[b]And God went onto say Let the waters swarm of living souls and let flying creatures fly over the earth upon to face of the expanse of the heavens[/b]

So we see here that the bible often times referred to the sky as the heavens. And to use a little reasoning here we also know that the literal heaven is a dwelling place for spirit creatures only, it is not a place that birds fly in.

Kuns:
@Jairzinho

Tell that you your christian and muslim folk waiting for a pale albino to come save them?

Brain washed is what you should to be, because most folk are brain dirtied. You folk need to get your brains washed, clean, from all the filth and lies of christianity, Judaism and Islam.

Don't pray for me o, Jo o, please o. Pray (Prey on) for those who religion has brain dirtied.

Abuzola:
Hahaha, already known to the world the atheist and animal are bird of the same feather. Whether you like it or not your first father was a muslim, .

davidylan:
Another fool roaming this section.

Abuzola:
Your enmity is too much for islam. May Allah, the God of jesus deliver you

wirinet:
@ Marlbron,

I like the way you argue unlike a lot of christians on this forum who get aggressive and resort to insults, at least you present your arguments in a precise manner.

I will take you up on your assertions on historical Jesus.  All the quote i highlighted in red is false and made up with no backing whatsoever. If you have evidence to back those claims please furnish us with links or refer us to books, so as to confirm your postulations.

First, there were many men called Jesus during the time of Roman occupation of Palestine, as Jesus was a very common name. so there was not only one man called Jesus.
The Romans did not colonize almost the whole world, they colonized only all most of southern Europe, some North African territories - Carthage and Egypt, very few north European territories and some territories territories of Asia Minor - Turkey, persia etc. They never reached india not to talk of China. The People that conquered more than half the World was the British Empire. That was the largest Empire that ever existed.

I had not read anywhere than any Caesar knew of the existence of your Jesus not to Talk of sending for him. Please tell us which Caesar was in throne during the time of Jesus and the source of your story.

The story of Jesus also going to India to study the Mystical arts is all conjecture with no evidence - historical or Biblical. please give us Biblical Proof that Joseph died before Jesus stated his Ministry.

Chrisbenogor:
Sounds wise to me, the past is loads of fun though.
@david
That was some serious copy and pasting you did there, something you hate abi
Why are you against voting, is it not what is mostly used to decide stuff after examining the evidence?