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perousd:
Scared little boy. Its not about what you believe. What is:Is!
Reality remains!
Enjoy your delusion! but I promise you that your tears and grammar won't be enough to console you when it matters.

Veiniously:
The truth is that op is scared of the truth

Op knows about spiritualizm....and his even scared to the core
If you can be scared of that the God exist

perousd:
You're evading my request. Where is your location?? let's confirm your assertions. Let's "make you believe" . You have no idea of what is real. you think its by ranting on nairaland! Mtewwwww.

perousd:
Come make I take you go baba side make he nak u with jazz make you cough money cone out and then you will start explaining how it happened. Instead to seek for truth, you seek for evidence or rather seek to disprove evidences. Before I move on. do you believe that man is a spirit , has a soul and lives in a Body? Do you understand that man can leave their body and go places? do you believe that a woman or man can manipulate weather ,turn to a bird and fly?
I can help you see these things in case you haven't. I can take you to my village if you don't believe.
There's a God that beats your human capacity; intellect and proofs.
There's a master planner of everything. There's a higher power that render the human senses absolutely clueless.
But I'm serious about taking you to my village for proofs. If you do not believe in God after 3 days, I'll refund you for wasting your time.

Veiniously:
Still the same God different name Gpd has thousands of names more are yet to come

Kiddogarcia:
You overestimated my intelligence.nice one bro.the bible and the Quran made reference to Julio Caesar,both also talked about queen Sheba,and history tells us that both actually existed.apart from being religious book,both book serves as a way to revisit history,Egypt,Ethiopia,Jordan,Israel etc, are in the bible,and today they still exist till today,so point number one both books are valid
Number two,Muhammad came three hundred years after Christ,so just take a minute to think about this.almost all stories,all happenings in both books were the same,only the Jesus and Muhammad stories differs a bit.so if after three hundred years Muhammad could write a book of that has same stories,prophecy as the bible,then you have to know something was leading him,and that something leading him God.mind you there was no Christian in Arab land at that time,point number two.
We've heard stuff,Noah's ark was found in turkey,the building of queen Sheba still exist,miracles happens everyday,we've heard stories of people who died and came back alive,to tell stuff about after life.point number three
No one was there when evolution theory took place,those people that brought that idea only believed in what they didn't see also,and also there was no evidence that it really took place,so I have a right to believe in God,who I don't see also,but I have little evidence of him.tell me about your physical process am ready

TessBiwom:
Do you believe that you exist?what makes feel the man you call"dad"is actually your father?
What gives you the assurance that when you go to bed at night,you will see the dawn of a new day?

TheEminentLaity:
It seems you misunderstood what I posted earlier. Further reading of comments from this thread made me understand that, from your admittance, you do not know how the universe came about, neither do you know of 'the process(es)' from which it came about. How then did you become an atheist, what informed your decision, moreso if you came from a religious background? The gist of my earlier post is that you make suppositions with a certainty that is similar to religious fundamentalists that say 'there is (a) god'

You display an ignorance of the history of science. Chemistry had it foundations on alchemy. Theories are superceded, some become obsolete and some eventually turn out to be wrong. A simple internet search would reveal that. I don't believe in arguing for argument sake and I find many atheists reason that way. I would rather learn than win an argument.

Your original post reads like you are certain that there is no god, no afterlife, no 'supernatural' abilities even when you do not even know anything about the universe and the processes that led to its existence. It makes one think that you do this only to annoy the religious folks since you do not have any basis for your somewhat extreme positions.

I am not religious btw, neither do I believe in any god because I do not see anything in my existence and learning that shows that there is one. My position is based on something, mainly science and personal experience, but science itself is prone to changes. Why I insist that one cannot be stand on science and speak like a zealot.

Also, one cannot be an atheist – ala THERE IS NO GOD – in the literal sense because being that also requires evidence to show that there isn't a god, which everyone knows has not been proven. Those who then outrightly dismiss completely any possibility of a god/beign/intelligence is no different from a god believer.

https://www.famousscientists.org/10-most-famous-scientific-theories-that-were-later-debunked/
https://www.toptenz.net/top-10-most-famous-scientific-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-wrong.php

paxonel:
One atheist says because he is wicked God, thats how he created the devil to torment people.

Are there mosquitos in hell fire or heaven?

What are the economic importance of mosquito?

To me, i see mosquito as a reminder that we should clean our environment, what do you think?

MJBOLT:
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Veiniously:
What wrong God again
As far am concerned it's not

Veiniously:
Who told you

TheEminentLaity:
@martinez39 Interesting post. Personally, I think Nigeria as a country would change dramatically to a very productive nation if majority of the people have these principles as foundations in their culture and traditions. However, this reads as one written with a high degree of certainty that one – not excluding atheists and nihilists – cannot help but question how you arrived at some of your suppositions.

Other than making the exact opposite claim of religious fundamentalists about God, I do not fault your explanation. You cannot prove that there isn't a god (god would have to be defined; and it is, as you know, a fruitless hyperloop argument)

The message is apt. Live life, focus on what is ... but again, you cannot prove that there is no afterlife, so you especially – as one who supposedly arrive at positions with logic – cannot also make such claims. Don't know if you've come across 'NDERF' ... it may not disprove or prove anything but I'm inclined that you may find it interesting.

Suppositions of dogmatic certainty is antithetical to logic. People develop special abilities and strengths – some stronger, faster, super brains etc. The term 'supernatural' may just be semantics for an outlier ability resulting from evolution, genes or and even accidents. There are and have existed geniuses and phenomenal savants throughout history. 'Spirituality' and 'spiritual' on the other hand, are somewhat ambiguous and relative depending on whom one might be talking to. People who meditate for their well-being might refer to such as spirituality while other who babble in glossolalia would also say such is an aspect of spirituality. Throw superstitions away, perhaps? YES! by all means.

No really knowledgeable person speaks with utmost certainty like the religious folks because the more one learns, the more one's ignorance is revealed and the more one realizes that they know nothing. There are a good number of unexplained phenomena – call it mysteries – and theories for what is known in science that would be obsolete, if not outright wrong in the future. So, we really cannot be so sure.

Veiniously:
In conclusion nobody have a sound evidence
Please i want thiS thread to end

I just know 1 thing it better i die in doing the right thing and believing God exist and die to find out their isn't or die and find out their is than to

Die feeling their is no God and found out their is


It wont do you any good

apelike1:
did Jesus told your aunty to engage in immorality

You are blaming Jesus because of your lack of faith and also your stupidity! Sister you are not a believer!

Go and join the bomb squard religion! Or rather give your life to Christ and start studying the Bible to improve on your senses

cigaricon:
Well I know how the Universe came to be - GOD created it.

cigaricon:
Whether God exist or not is a thing of FAITH and BELIEF. You can choose to believe or not, nobody is forcing you, God Himself isn't going to force you to believe in Him. He doesn't have to prove to his Creatures that He exists Because HE MADE THEM ALL. Does a potter have to prove to the pot the fact that he made it?

And what makes you think it isn't you who is deceiving yourself?

Kiddogarcia:
i was expecting to see fact,but all i saw is i believe,i believe,when did you turned to Martin luther king.how can you come here to preach what you don't know.you don't even know about your so called "physical process" for two books to have stood the test of time,is just a proof of God .and inside those books there are predictions made hundred years ago,and the prediction is coming to reality now

Mikolion87:
I stopped debating on this topic a long time ago, seeing that I have noticed how bias people can become especially when they have their mind already made up. It is much better when relating with a "realist" than an atheist or even most religious fanatics. For the mention, I am a realist, and yes, a Christian (but a free-minded and realistic one). I tend to make logical decisions from REALITY (realistic philosophical school of thought- realism) than idealism ( from ideas or non-factual thoughts). Having laid this premise, I'll start by knowing whether the OP really wants to learn the truth of life or has already made up his mind..


Some of the things written by the OP are true while others are not realistic.

-The realistic ones have always been there.. Even the bible, in Ecclesiastes and Proverbs, including Sirach( Good news version) buttress the fact that there's the need to work hard to earn a living. Galatians 6:7 clearly states that a man reaps what he sows (I.e, when you do the right things you get the right results). There are also numerous quotations that encourages hard work . Ecc 9:10 states that, whatever thy hands finds to do, do with all thy might. etc etc. Even though some religious fanatics seat back and expect God to come down and perform miracles in areas that is clearly left for them. When one reads the bible in entirety, one would understand God's ways of working. It is wrong to choose a section and dwell on it as some religious fanatics do.. God has His role and we humans have our own roles to play too. But most people want God to come and perform their own roles for them, then later get frustrated when they don't get the right results.
Eccl 8:6 also buttress that there is always a proper way and time for every matter. That explains why people don't get the right results. There are laid down guidelines, realistic ways to live to get proper results in life.. All things being equal, when we do those right things and make right decisions, we'll get the right result (All things being equal). And the bible also mentions some of these things, "seeth thou a man diligent in his works,he shall stand before kings not mere men".. The bible is like God's manual of living (for the Christians). If we must be sincere, most people don't get results in life because, they do certain things the wrong way, and instead of learning how it should be done, they blame it on God. Even those who are born in poor homes can apply certain life principles (which the bible also teaches), such principles as
.humility, honesty, kindness, diligence,.. others such as, anger management, curtail extravagant living and proper planning.. while being constantly positioned for opportunities.. Most remain poor when they fail to spot opportunities that may come their way.


-Now as to whether God exists or not. That he has refused to provide manner for everyone on a platter of gold does not in any way mean he does not exist. He has provided a guide for living. So, whatever one sows, he reaps. No one can question Him.

.Come to think of it, even robots have makers, let alone being as complicated as humans. Everything is not only Physical. Life is begging for answers in many respects. But, if you critically view our reality, you'll find God's handwriting everywhere. Science may Have explained away the big bang theory, but have failed to clarify the source of the lightening and force that brought about the existence of the first product with well organized cells( which are all interlinked). I happened to have studied Medicine at a stage of my training in Dentistry/dental surgery. After seeing and studying the anatomy of man and the physiology, it will be laughable and even foolish to say, these things came about by chance. Even things carefully made by well organized and highly intellectual beings and scientists, end up having some loopholes and mistakes, let alone something made by "nobody" (chance,big bang theory).

.The way our world and the universe is organized also points to the existence of God. From the breaking of the day (when the sun rises) to the increased production of adrenocortical hormones in the human body (which increases alertness and activity), to sunset, leading to increase of serotonin (which signals rest). Or is it the different seasons... When you look at our universe, you'll notice orderliness and organization. You don't need a prophet to tell you all these are not products of chance. Except that man has contributed immensely to the expansion and beautification of the universe (by God-given knowledge), man also is the cause of several chaos in our world today.

. Now, concerning "village people" or spiritual wickedness, if you haven't experienced anything, it does not make it false. There are powers.. And some men use it either to torment others or for their protection. That is why today, we're talking about yahoo plus guys and using women's pants. Others use many other things for rituals... These things are not fake. You're probably not in tune with our reality. And I believe that God's role is majorly for those spiritual causes which we have no control over. That is where prayer comes in. Especially where diabolic persons may be trying to terminate your life or make you I'll by spiritual means, the Name of Jesus is very efficacious in this respect (I have experienced this personally).

There are so many things happening in our reality that has lent clarity to the fact that there is God. Except that, most people expect God to do everything for them.. God has laws and has made life and embedded principles into it. Failure to live by them results in misery and pains.

I have taken my time to type this so that you and many others can meditate on it and come to the truth of our reality and never be deceived.

Kiddogarcia:
why don't you just explain this your physical process.why would expect me to believe there's no God when you don't have valid fact.

Kiddogarcia:
relax when reading,it helps bro.i never wrote universe.read again and give me answer to my questions

Kiddogarcia:
and i would be glad if you can explain that physical process,the only reason i can believe that your crap is if you can tell me how all living being started their existence.you coming up with evolution theory right?i got questions that will scare you,be warned

Kiddogarcia:
and i would be glad if you can explain that physical process,the only reason i can believe that your crap is if you can tell me how all living being started their existence.you coming up with evolution theory right?i got questions that will scare you,be warned

Kiddogarcia:
why would you believe,when you are talking about fact,am a muslim let's talk

holuwasheyiWGP:
Nice one Op..
THE GREATEST FORM OF DENIAL IS SAYING THERE IS NO GOD
I'm not done I'll be back

CodeTemplar:
Well, while I agree with you to a large extent, I like to think of what you are communicating as the role of perspiration or hardwork.
There is also a place for talent/talent discovery and inspiration.