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QuinQQ:
And what's your point anyway? That there is no hell as the JW say or what?

We believe there is Hell but it simply means Grave a place of no activity! Ecclesiastes 9:10

QuinQ:
So please explain this screenshot to us.

Book of life means there is a record before God regarding people who love studying His word {Malachi 3:16} so if someone's name is not found in that record such a person will be completely destroyed like Death and Hell! Revelation 20:14

QuinQQ:
Quite the opposite. You KNOW you've learnt a lot from yours truly. You still haven't told us what an eternal Lake of fire where souls are tormented for ever and ever is called as staated below

I no dey teach you again.

If you don't know that the lake of fire means complete destruction after reading in the Bible that Death and Hell two things that are tied together were thrown there {Revelation 20:14} when the next chapter told you that death will no longer exist {Revelation 21:3-4} it simply means you are not sincere with yourself!😂

kayjordan:
The Universe is neutral - two Schools of Thoughts "Religion" and "Science" are claiming Universe (Dragging it).

This is really hilarious walahi talahi!😂

Please when did the so called scientists discovered the force of gravity that the Bible spoke of thousands of years back?

When did so called scientists discover the shape of the earth?

When did so called scientists discover water circle?

When did so called scientists discover that there are many planets out there but only earth is habitable?

Ọmọ the Bible is far far far ahead of your so called scientists in all of these!🙂

kayjordan:
What exactly is happening today that cannot be easily predicted by anyone?
The spiritual gospels are brainwashing.....almost no different from politics. One profound reason why religion survived to this date is because - there was no internet in ancient times to verify religious hypnotisation. Today, it's too late to do that, the damage had been done.
Everybody blindly believes in one unseen God or the other.

It's because you haven't known what was predicted (prophesied) in the Bible.🙂

God said He will use His laws to gather obedient and faithful people throughout the world under one umbrella {Isaiah 2:2-4} of course that may sound so cheap right? But then He said at that same time the world will be filled with racism and politics so that there will be killings here and there {Revelation 6:3-4} while His own worshipers will have love among themselves {John 13:34-35} and there will be false religions claiming they are worshipers of God everywhere {Matthew 7:15} but their failure to make peace reign among them will expose them! Matthew 7:16-18

Today a global group called Jehovah's Witnesses emerged and fit in to all these descriptions and there is no nation or race that is not part of this group just as the Bible foretold {Act 1:8} do you think all these things are coincidental?🙂

Let me shock you again.

In the same Bible God foretold that an ancient city called Babylon known for it's grand glory will be destroyed and it happened just as it was written but the most shocking part of this prophecy says that city will remain in ruins after its demolition {Isaiah 13:19-20} and that is exactly what has happened till today!

Do you think that was a coincidence?🙂

Ọmọ you may have decided in your own heart never to allow religion get control over your life but don't think those sticking to religions have no brain o!😂

Ọmọ it's not mature but childish talks.

People have been living on this planet for thousands of years and it's life's experience that's increasing as they continue to exist on the planet a mistake made by one person becomes a lesson to others coming after him.

So life continues to improve just as God foretold in His word:

Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth. Genesis 1:28

God said humans should fill the planet and subdue it in other words make good use of whatever you find on it.

So how has their discoveries out ruled timeless informations from God?🙂

kayjordan:
This is a mature piece!
If it's not, then what realm of platform are you using to communicate with me now?
What connection does scriptures of 1,000 years have with scientific evidences?
Even if science is 10 years old - it's what's helping your current life as we speak...

kayjordan:
Please list out "FIVE" miracles Jesus performed in the Bible and to whom he performed them for?

Miracles aren't the evidence why we believe in Jesus rather what he foretold that is happening today is what makes us believe in him!🙂

This is really childish!🙂
So after thousands of years of trial and error on the part of humans trying to make life easier that is what you want to put above God's word where words written thousands of years ago are undergoing fulfilment today shey?🙂

Guy there is no evidence in what you just said. There were times on this planet when people used stones tied to a plank to strike one another in battle before they graduated to bows and arrows before they graduated to swords before they graduated to guns.

No sincere person can compare that to words written thousands of years ago that we are now discovering what the writers penned down today!🙂

kayjordan:
Basically, logic fails where "practical avoidance" is achieved - ACKNOWLEDGED!
In the best of my knowledge, the car that moves, the aeroplanes that flies and the phones that call others - are the physical "living" evidences of Science. Believers and Unbelievers go the higher-institutions to study them - after study, they practicalise them.
If Science failed - students will be the first to notice. Spirituality on the other hand, is "make belief" - people just believe in it out of fear or cultural reasons - not because of what they've personally experienced with it - but rather what they've been told about it.

Truthseeker10:
This guy is an unserious fellow. He claims that Hell is not related to Hades because his own NiV uses Hades instead of Hell in Revelation 20:14. The funny thing is that he has a picture on this thread that shows that Jesus was reffering to Hell in Luke 16:23, 24 while his own NiV uses Hades🤣. I have been asking him to now explain why his picture is showing Hell and why his own NiV is showing Hades if Hades and Hell are not related. He is just beating around the bush since morning.🤣

When someone specifically mention the name of another person who isn't engaging in a discussion:

QuinQ:
Most people don't mind NOT going to heaven. They just don't want to land in hell. JW taught people like MaxInDHouse that there is nothing like hell?

Know that he has learned a lot from the person in question he just doesn't want to admit it!🙂

kayjordan:
In my opinion, Jesus was just an ordinary man in Israel who was famous for walking the streets and markets - and some over-joyous writers decide to paint a supernatural picture of him when he was just an ordinary mortal man in the Bible.
You can educate me if I'm wrong - show me the evidence?

I have shown you evidence but you kept demanding something else.

This is what Jesus said will serve as EVIDENCE of his existence:


You will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” ‭Acts 1:8 NIV‬


If anyone wants to see the evidence that Jesus really exists all he needs to look out for are people from all the nations of the earth PRACTICING what Jesus taught them. Of course if Jesus never existed people from different countries throughout the world can't be obedient for real to the extent of being peace loving people just as Jesus commanded nah! Matthew 5:43-48🙂

kayjordan:
Religion on the other hand is - "believe in the evidence of things not seen".

WRONG!
There are things we SEE but when you are making demands on what you want to see that is where your so called "logic" fails.

Science is not evidence based but what you have been told to present as evidence if i should ask you questions regarding what you have never experiment before no scientist can provide any evidence!🙂

QuinQ:
You are adding to the Revelation as Revelation warned you not to do. Where below does it say they'll never exist again?

Hmmm the answer is there in your copy of the Bible!

@ Revelation 20:14 the Bible say:


Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. ‭Revelation 20:14 NIV

Then in the next chapter the Bible say:


‘He (God) will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.” ‭Revelation 21:4 NIV‬

Death and Hell (grave) always go together {Revelations 6:8} because it's when people die that they are buried in graves so if death will be no more the same thing will happen to graves. They are both thrown into the lake of fire! Revelation 20:14🙂

kayjordan:
What do I think?
I think Jesus Christ and righteousness don't exist and never existed.

Ọmọ you just want to deceive yourself!🙂

kayjordan:
Are you a righteous man like Jesus Christ of Nazareth - for believers are many, "few" are chosen?

If you don't believe Jesus then why not ask for what you can see as evidence?

Jesus said:


“A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah". ‭Matthew 12:39 NIV‬


So is there no miracles today?

Of course there is but you can't demand or set rules for the true God nobody in the Bible did such.

Therefore you need to humbly ask for the evidence we have not you setting the standard just as the science you claim you trust can't be told what we want to see rather it's what he chose to display that you can see.

If i want to make demands from any scientist regarding their so called logic they can't fulfill it rather it's only what they know they can display!🙂

QuinQ:
You keep ducking the question about Revelation 20:15. What do JW call that Lake of fire? See it underlined below again

Bible called it the second death.



Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. ‭Revelation 20:14 NIV‬

There is resurrection or a come back for those who undergo the first death but there is no coming back for anyone who undergoes the second death.
That's why God's word said death and hell were thrown into the lake of fire since they will never exist again!🙂

kayjordan:
The blunt truth is - the Bible is a book of scriptures that tell many stories that aren't even realistic in modern times.
Are you a righteous man like Jesus Christ of Nazareth - for believers are many, "few" are chosen?

If you feel the Bible tells many stories that aren't realistic then what do you think about Jesus Christ and righteous man because both are found only in the same Bible that you claim is unrealistic?🙂

QuinQ:
So what is the second death?? You were asked severally what you JW call the Lake of Fire in Revelation, you can't answer.

Before anything could be called "SECOND" there must be "FIRST"
God told Adam and Eve that rebellion will lead to their death which means if they never rebelled against God they would have lived till today.
It's through them that we all inherited sin and death {Romans 5:12} even when someone served God all his life as a righteous man he must die!
So the death that has no boundaries is the first which has spread to all humans {Romans 5:12} out of His mercy God will resurrect people from the first death {John 5:28-29} but the death that only affects unrepentant wrongdoers {Isaiah 65:20} where there is no resurrection {Psalms 9:17} is the second death. That is why God's word says Death and Hell were cast into the Lake of fire {Revelation 20:14} because neither death nor grave will exist in the kingdom of our God!

QuinQ:
What has Romans 6:7 to do with Hell? It simply says dead people can no longer sin. How do you extend that to "God has no business" and Hell?

Your church fathers misinterpreted that verse what Paul said is that anyone who has died has been acquainted of his sins {Romans 6:7} because the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23

God never spoke of any other thing after the sinner is dead that is why none of you can say where Adam whose sin affected the whole world is today yet you believe sinners who were infected through Adamic sin must face another punishment after death.

kayjordan:
"Hope" and "Resurrection"
If the believers resurrect and recapture their planet-earth from unbelievers, would they appear as skeletons or zombies?

You have a right to disbelieve the Bible and we have the right to believe it but if you want to ask questions regarding what the Bible says please go straight to your question because we are fully convinced with living evidence of what we believe!

I didn't say Jesus is the oldest Jehovah's Witness rather what i said is he is the first and foremost Witness of Jehovah.
There is a difference between a founder and oldest member of a group nah!🙂

QuinQ:
Death still means being lifeless in today's English. He'll is different.
What does JW call that Lake of fire? And how do they answer these verses below?

Jesus spoke in PARABLES {Matthew 13:13} God has no business with the dead because they have fully paid for their sins! Romans 6:7

Jesus said you will know the truth {John 8:32} but you people love lies. Satan is the one who lied that there is no death {Genesis 3:4} when God said the wages of sin is death! Genesis 2:17; Romans 6:23
As for a place to torment people Bible God said such an idea is totally strange to Him! Jeremiah 7:31

johnstin:
You have said the plain truth.
Anybody that has ears to hear should hear!
For those saying there is no such thing as hellfire, it will be fatally catastrophic when you die and discover there is hellfire - when it will be too late!
For those hardened unbelievers insisting there is no hellfire, no problem, we will all discover the truth when we die.
The big problem, however, is that once you enter hellfire, there is no coming out!
You better humble yourself now before death and hellfire will humble you by fire and by force!
Those of us who have chosen to follow Jesus Christ at all cost, are not stupid.
We will soon be vindicated.
There's no question about that.

QuinQ:
Irrelevant. Whatever language it is, that is what today's English language calls Hell.

False religions has changed it's original meaning so as to instill fear in people but originally DEATH means being lifeless!🙂

QuinQ:
Hell and Hades are NOT used interchangeably.

According to Wikipedia or Encyclopedia what is the difference between Hell and Hades?🙂

See the answer to the above question:

ChatGPT!
In Hebrew, “Sheol” (שְׁאוֹל, Sheʾol) is the ancient Hebrew term for the realm of the dead, the grave, or the underworld. It appears many times in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament).
Core Meaning
Sheol was understood as:
the place where the dead go after death,
a hidden or unseen realm beneath the earth,
a place of silence, darkness, and inactivity.
It was not originally described as a place of eternal fiery punishment in the way later ideas of “hell” developed.
Different Ways It Is Translated
Depending on the Bible translation, “Sheol” may appear as:
“grave”
“pit”
“hell”
“realm of the dead”
For example:
In Psalm 16:10, some translations keep the word “Sheol,” while others say “grave” or “realm of the dead.”
In Job and Ecclesiastes, Sheol is often pictured as a shadowy place where all people go, whether righteous or wicked.
Etymology
The exact root of the word is debated by scholars. Some connect it to a Hebrew root meaning:
“to ask” or “to demand,” suggesting that Sheol is the place that continually “claims” people through death.
In Ancient Hebrew Thought
Early Hebrew writings generally describe Sheol as:
common to all humanity,
not a place of reward vs punishment,
separate from later Greek ideas like Hades or later Christian concepts of hell.
Over time, Jewish and Christian beliefs about the afterlife became more developed, and ideas connected to resurrection, judgment, paradise, and hell became more distinct.
Related Terms
Hades — Greek term often used in the Septuagint and New Testament as an equivalent to Sheol.
Gehenna — a different term later associated with judgment or hell.
Septuagint — translated Sheol mostly as “Hades.”

chieveboy:
A dictionary would help you better.

Dictionary can't help where the Bible is talking!
What has the dictionary or AI help your Eckankar sect to achieve that is missing elsewhere?🙂

chieveboy:
Didn't they train you guys in what you represent about how authorship works? Or at least what it means?

Authorship has only one goal:

Foretelling what his book is meant for and making sure it is achieved.

So tell me what your own god foretold and it's achievement!🙂

Someone worshiping artificial intelligence can't focus on his own god and what his god has achieved among it's adherents but claiming his own is better than the God who has achieved what mankind has been struggling to achieve for thousands of years!🙂

chieveboy:
Talking about lies about the authorship of the Bible and all...

I am talking about my own God and what is WRITTEN in His word so talk about yours instead of arguing over my own!🙂

QuinQ:
That "Lake of Fire" is what we equate with "Hell" in our language today.

So can you explain how Death and Hell were cast into the lake of fire? Revelation 20:14🙂

DeepSight:
If he is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, please allow the Oduduwas, Okonkwos and Abduls to find their own God thank you.

Who stops them from finding their own God nah?
Just imagine i'm talking about my own God and you are talking about people haven't find theirs!🤔

Ask how the book got to mankind don't fabricate lies against God's word!🙂

chieveboy:
I am very sure you somehow in your head believe that book was written in heaven and sent on the beak of an exotic bird to earth.

QuinQ:
Non of us can claim Hell to be anything since we neither made up the word nor were we there when the authors used them. We can only state what the general consensus is as to what they mean biblically and otherwise. Read them below then disprove them one by one, NOT pick one obscure verse and focus on only that!

If you can't answer the simple question then there is no need arguing with you!🙂

The Bible God chose a lineage through which He will make His name known globally. He claimed to be the one and only true God and that all other tribes of the world has been captured by demons whom they are worshiping as Gods.
So He continued with that lineage to prove what He said in His word but if any other nation feels slighted by the Bible God let them present their own God and what such God told them!🙂