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Dtruthspeaker:
There you go again going backwards when we have moved forward to Daniel 12:2 and beyond.

And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt.

According to this verse God has nothing to do with the dead it's those living that will be given what is good.

OkCornel:
Not much of a difference. Everyone can be inspired but not everyone can teach. But definitely, no genuine teacher can teach without being filled and inspired by the Spirit of Truth.

That being said, the fruit of the spirit stands out for the genuine teachers, while the works of the flesh follows the false teachers.

Teaching doesn't necessarily including inspiration!
Young Timothy was an elder in the first century Christian congregation and a sound teacher of TRUTH {1Timothy 4:16} but he is not inspired, that's why he wrote no Bible book.
Some among Jesus' Apostles were inspired that is why they became part of Bible writers (Matthew, John, Peter, Paul) this are Apostles chosen by Jesus Christ {Luke 6:13-14; Romans 1:1} some of his disciples like Mark, Luke, James, Jude are inspired but not Apostles.

Jesus Christ commanded all his disciples to PREACH but then few will be given the spirit of teaching among them {Matthew 28:20} this are the ones TEACHING in the congregations {Hebrews 13:7, 17} but that doesn't mean all these teachers are inspired.

Inspiration ends when the Bible was complete {Revelations 22:18-19} otherwise the Bible should include the Qu'ran if inspiration never stopped {Galatians 1:8} that's why Paul said such supernatural gifts will cease {1Corinthians 13:8} so only love will help us to bear the mistakes of those taking the lead and continue trusting (believing) in their teachings {1Corinthians 13:7} because they continue producing the FRUIT expected of Christ's group! Matthew 7:16-18

It's the organization headed by spirit filled teachers that people will see their positive results globally just as Jesus said {Matthew 5:14-16} not each of them, today i'm in Nigeria i have never met any member of the Governing Body personally but i am seeing the positive effects of their teachings as their students here in Nigeria are doing everything in harmony with what God foretold in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

So even though they said they're not inspired i can say they're spirit filled teachers of God's word since their FRUITS are seen globally! Matthew 7:16-18

Dtruthspeaker:
They shall get up from the grave to continue their journey towards hell or paradise as The Judge would send them.

There you go again!
God's word says there is no activity in Hell (Grave) {Ecclesiastes 9:6,10} so there can never be any kind of feelings in the grave!

OkCornel:
Can teachers teach God’s truth without being spirit filled?

NO!

OkCornel:
What differentiates a genuine teacher from a false teacher?

The FRUIT: positive results of what they're teaching in the midst of adherents! Matthew 7 15-16

OkCornel:
Given both categories are teachers anyways…

NO! All Bible writers are inspired but not all are teachers, the gift of teaching began after pentecost when God anointed men with His holy Spirit after the world's most wonderful counselor of all time {Isaiah 9:6} established TEACHING of God's word! Matthew 28:20

But before then God only inspired men among the Israelites to tell them what they should do whether they understand or not they must do it or they will die. But after Jesus the spirit of teaching was released so that imperfect humans can teach their fellowman to the point of conviction! Act 26:28


So there's a big difference between one who is inspired and those giving the spirit of teaching!

Omooba77:
How is God's foolishness wiser than men's wisdom?

In the world today most people see Jehovah's Witnesses as the most foolish set of people because we are humbly submissive to a BODY of imperfection humans like ourselves.
But throughout the earth we are the only set of people who believe that politics is the root cause of all the evil things people deliberately do.
So while all others are busy fighting and killing even people having the same line of thought as them over politics {Revelations 6:3-4} JWs have successfully settled all our disparities among ourselves, erased the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons in our midst, vowed never to raise weapons against anyone again and as for military services we have said GOODBYE! Isaiah 2:2-4

You can check the below picture to see how wise people are as they choose humans to rule over them and at the same time carry weapons to kill themselves at the order from their chosen rulers while Jehovah's Witnesses are happily sending messages of LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL among ourselves! Galatians 5:22-23

Surely the foolishness from God is a million times wiser than man's ideas! Isaiah 55:8-9

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Dtruthspeaker:
Wake up means that they would be taking back their bodies

So they're no longer dead but alive and they're not in Hell (Grave)

Will you approve a man to kiss your daughter in your presence when they're not yet married?
What will you do when your daughter and a man is having a wet kiss in your presence after a minister has declared them husband and wife?

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Dtruthspeaker:
And then there is wake up from death and activity once again. Some to pain and suffering and others to joy and pleasure. Daniel 12:2

Now you're talking!

That means it's with the bodies that people can have feelings not without bodies {Ecclesiastes 9:6, 10} and they're no longer in Hell (Grave) because Hell will be destroyed! Revelations 20:14

graciamore:
Good morning brothers and sisters and happy Sunday to you all..I would like to be enlightened please, can God ever forgive an intentional sin? Commiting sin you already knew is a sin and you went ahead to commit it..can God forgive that can of sin?

Whoever is not on my side is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. “For this reason I say to you, every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven. For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come. Matthew 12:30-32

All the sins you can think of is FORGIVABLE except when you realize the gathering of imperfect humans where God's Holy Spirit is WORKING OUT what is impossible in for normal humans to do as a group and you begin to criticize it!


So under the present circumstances, I say to you, do not meddle with these men, but let them alone. For if this scheme or this work is from men, it will be overthrown; but if it is from God, you will not be able to overthrow them. Otherwise, you may even be found fighters against God himself.” Act 5:38-39

Jesus has organized a group of people and this group is formed by people from all races throughout the earth {Isaiah 2:2} they're using the Bible to teach themselves {Isaiah 2:3} even though their teachings totally negates what all others believe {John 17:14-16} and because God's Holy Spirit is WORKING in their midst they have successfully used what they found in the Bible to settle all their disparities among themselves, erased the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons, they have vowed never to raise weapons against anyone again and as for military services they have said goodbye! Isaiah 2:4

No matter what sin you commit and repeatedly as long as you're struggling to stop it God will always forgive you {Matthew 18:22} because He knows our limitations and fears that's making us to commit serious blunders! Psalms 103:12-14

But when we choose to stay away from His organized people and start criticizing them then we are deliberately hurting ourselves so there's no forgiveness for someone who deliberately chose to continue hurting himself!

Dtruthspeaker:
That is because it is your wish thinking and preference that burial of the body in earth (grave) should be hell whereas hell ordinarily means a very bad and evil place of great pain and sorrow and unhappiness and discomfort.

According to God there is just two options for humans:
Life ~ filled with all kinds of activities! Genesis 1:28
Death ~ no activity! Ecclesiastes 9:10

At death nothing survives humans so God said Adam will die if he disobey {Genesis 2:17} and he will return to non-existence.
Satan insinuated that "God is a liar" and that "the living will not (really) die" Genesis 3:4

So i choose the word of God regarding the condition of the dead you're free to choose the other side!

OkCornel:
The Teachers are inspired of the Holy Spirit to teach the truth

In the absence of that, rather it would be false teachers propagating corrupted truths to deceive many.

John the Baptist, Jesus, the Apostles, Jesus' blood brothers never had kind words for false teachers.

I agree with you, Spirit filled and inspired teachers still have their roles to play in building and edifying the body of true believers!

You misconstrued it again!

Inspiration is not the same as teaching, when God inspires someone such a person only say or write what God inspired him to say it doesn't automatically quantify the inspired one to be a teacher.

The gifts differs and as for spirit filled teachers it doesn't mean they've become infallible, they are still imperfect humans so they can make mistakes in their teachings because the spirit guiding them will not utter a word unlike that of inspiration so while trying to decipher the truth of God's word with their imperfect minds errors may occur but then if they remain humble the spirit of God will correct them in meekness so that they will continue to bear the fruit of God's Holy Spirit!

Dtruthspeaker:
lortreed, tamaratonye, judasix, workch, wilgrea7, maynmann, hopenonelandlord, maxindHouse, Oyakhilome, Adeboye, Oyedepo, etc.

All humans are going to Hell because Hell simply means Grave so once we die we all go to our grave to rest! Ecclesiastes 9:10

Sunnyshinylight:
The kingdom is official

No wahala you can gather in an office to worship your God!

Lukuluku69:
Of cos they ATE in your Bible but they didn't in the Quran.

So stick to your Qu'ran since you don't believe in an organization of worshipers having the same line of thought, i believe all God's people should have the same line of thought {John 17:22} which will ensure peace among them {John 14:27} so that they will no longer raise weapons against anyone not to talk of fighting and killing their fellow believers due to racism and politics! Isaiah 2:4

If your Qur'an can't do that then i have nothing to consider in your book!

ANTIlSLAM:
ÀBÚRÒ ÌYÀWÓ BABALÁWO, wa kuku san las las

Faithless churchgoer!

tctrills:
You seem super confused. The devil did not have the authority he was trying to give Jesus.
He was lying just the same way he lied to Eve.
So for you to trust the devil is your problem.
Again if you claim the devil is in charge of politics then who is in charge of rapists and robbers?
Again, don't misinterpret the word of God. This is what the verse he quoted truly says.
1 John 5:19
19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
This has nothing to do with politics

After checking your profile i discovered you're into politics for real. Jesus said:

For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. Matthew 6:21

Keep your TREASURE, just know that whenever i (Maximus) am making a comment there is nothing you have upstairs to condemn it! Isaiah 54:17

Farewell!

SeniorMan715:
Let me get some facts on my own and convince myself. We see how it goes

OK i will take my leave now!

OkCornel:
It’s still the Holy Spirit that provides the teaching gift among true believers to teach themselves. The Holy Spirit is the source of all truth and is the spirit of truth.

1 Corinthians 12 v 28-31
28 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles?
30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret?
31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts

Of course God's Holy Spirit teaches us but that doesn't stop the work of TEACHERS among the Christians, there will always be those teaching others within the congregation of God until we all become perfect!

tctrills:
The bible never said Satan overruled politics.

REALLY?

This is the truth!

Then the Devil said to him: “I will give you all this authority and their glory, because it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish". Luke 4:6

Jesus referred to Satan as:

 I will not speak with you much more, for the ruler of the world is coming, and he has no hold on me. John 14:30

Paul referred to Satan as:

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 2Corinthians 4:4

Apostle John referred to Satan:

We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. 1John 5:19


I will leave you in your self imposed ignorance i purposely engaged you to prove the stuff we are made of, our knowledge about God's word is too high for all churchgoers it's either you humble yourself to learn from us or keep shut when we are talking about God's word! Isaiah 54:17

Lukuluku69:
Straight from the Books of Bables.
If he rises as a spirit being as you claimed, why then need to eat? To rest? And hide?
Before you come with your programmed bables, I will show you from your Bible where Jesus ate, rest and hide.

The three guests Abraham entertained {Genesis 18:2} weren't humans, they RESTED {Genesis 18:4} they ATE {Genesis 18:8} and they HIDE! Genesis 19:10

Ọmọ stick to your Qu'ran this is beyond your understanding!

Kobojunkie:
This topic is regarding Jesus Christ. If your last Adam is not the same Jesus Christ this topic is focused on, then why in the word did you direct your question at me to begin with?

You can't answer because it's beyond your understanding!

Jesus was a mighty spirit being before coming to the earth, God transformed his life into an embryo in the womb of a virgin Jewish girl, he grew up as the only perfect human worthy of repaying the debt Adamic sin brought on mankind, it's his perfect human flesh and blood mankind need to pay off our sin.
So after he has paid it the body and blood is no longer his own because that's what he paid so he returned to spirit life!

That's what Paul meant in the Bible book of 1Corinthians 15:45

Olambees:
I don't understand your view of Islamic group .... There's no group in Islam. And I think I've answered your questions in my previous highlights....

If there's no Islamic group you can present that has conquered racism and politics then there's nothing unique about Islam!

God is supreme being and among worshipers of God there must be LOVE and PEACE, in the absence of that such a god is worthless!

Kobojunkie:
Which one of the many translations there tells you that the Last Adam was not a living being even as He was a life-giving spirit?

Jesus Christ was, from the womb, both of human(living being) and of Spirit(life-giving being since He was full of Truth and Life(grace)) stock. So, at what point exactly in His journey did He cease to be a living being?

The same Jesus Christ confirmed His living-beingness even after His resurrection to His followers, just before His ascension. So was He not aware of this loss you claim?

In Daniel 7 vs 13 - 14, He is described as coming in the likeness of a human - a son of man - to reign over all the nations of the earth, so again, is it that even God Himself ain't aware of Him supposedly losing his living-being-ness at some point along His Journey?

You didn't answer the question!

Who is the last Adam and when did he became a SPIRIT?

Sunnyshinylight:
What's more business than my father's business, do you realise the business like kingdom of God?
That Jesus had to proclaim " I must be about my father's business"

The word OFFICE shouldn't be!

tctrills:
So it is written in your jw bible that only politicians do not repent. I see.

That's the work of God's Holy Spirit not what is written in the Bible! John 14:26; 16:12-13

But you can prove me wrong using your copy of the Bible. Before the time of John the baptist God appointed Kings in Israel and few of his people worked with world rulers but from the day of John the baptist politics has become a no go area for the worshipers of the true God {Matthew 11:11-12} because our role model turned away from politics completely {John 6:15} and through him we learned that Satan is the overall ruler of this world politics {Luke 4:5-7; John 14:30; 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19} Satan and his demons are in control of all the political seats throughout the earth! Ephesians 6:12
So they are using politics to catch their agents who will promote all forms of works of the flesh! Galatians 5:19-21

Therefore when other sinners are battling with guilt to make a U-turn for repentance a politician is bent on retaining his political seat so they will be looking for ways to promote any act no matter how evil as long as their position is secured! John 11:48

Olambees:
Praise be to Allah...
You've really asked a good question and I hope by Allah, you get it well. And I will be using some verses in the Quran to justify my point since you were laying much emphasis on Islam.
The Quran said personal piety and deeds were the basis for merit, not tribal affiliation. And a Quranic verse quotes, "Chapter 49, verse 13 of Islam’s sacred scripture, the Quran, declares: “O humankind!, We have created you male and female and made you nations and tribes that you may know one another. Verily, the most noble of you to Allah is the most righteous of you. Verily, Allah is knowing and aware.”

Quran 49:13.
Three points could be deduced from the above verse in relation to the topic discussed.

Firstly, having a collective identity i.e. an attachment to an ethnic group is a part of the divine plan for humankind.

Secondly, God allows diverse ethnic, tribal and community identities to exist at the same time for a positive reason – “so that you might come to know one another.” However, knowing each other should not be understood as a mere exchange of information. More accurately, it should mean to learn from and to establish cooperation that would benefit each other for the progress of humankind.

Thirdly, Islam does not prohibit Muslims from having a collective identity such as Malay or Javanese because such identities exist by God’s plan and for the benefit of humankind.

Malcolm X once famously said that “America needs to understand Islam, because this is the one religion that erases from its society the race problem.”. Let’s take a closer look as to how Islam solved racism.

The fact of the matter is, Islam has all the keys necessary to defeat racism from society and leave no room for such kinds of discrimination.


When certain groups label all Muslims as terrorists or extremists, they look at us all as one entity. Whether we’re black, white, tall, short, they look at us as a whole. The unfortunate fact is that they do a better job at unifying us than we ever do!

When we stand together as Muslims, there are still many instances where a Yoruba and Igbo or Hausa family might be living in the same community, but they still don’t know each other’s names. And it’s not because they never happened to meet one another. They see each other everyday at the Masjid, their kids are in the same class, but they choose not to care.

And if you’re from another country, you might notice that there is racism and prejudice even from city to city. Or maybe even among different towns in a city! Antagonism has no bounds if we allow it to spread. Racism isn’t just an issue for the west, like the U.S., Canada, and the U.K.. Racism exists everywhere. If you don’t see it in your country, chances are that you might be among those perpetuating it.

Let me Highlights some proof's to proclaim that Islam has no room for racism, ethnicity or social status. I will post in a different page

You have not answered my question!

Is there any unique Islamic group where racism, ethnicity or politics has been conquered?

Because i never heard or seen any yet Muslims claims they are worshiping the God who asked them to greet saying
"PEACE be onto you"
Please tell me the name of that Islamic group that has successfully erased politics and racism from the hearts of the adherents of your Qu'ran.

Kobojunkie:
He resurrected as a spirit being? Where do you folks get your version of the story from abeg?

So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being" ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. ~NIV

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. ~ Holy Bible

So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. ~ NWT

Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. ~ RSV

1Corinthians 15:45

Please who is the LAST ADAM that became a SPIRIT and when exactly did he became a SPIRIT?

Thanks in advance!

Please don't allow what happened discourage you so continue with your story don't mind the other guy @ triplechoice most do follow threads without coming on line for clarification, they will ask JW conducting Bible study with them but it's like triplechoice is an exception.
So continue your story.
Thanks!

tctrills:
So how come you guys are not helping all the herdsmen rapists. Also, do armed robbers need help? How about kidnappers and ritualists?

Jesus promised a hardened criminal paradise {Luke 23:43} so our preaching and teaching is for everyone no matter their past deeds God loves them.
The only problem any sinner may have that will block him from forgiveness is politics because while armed robbers, hired killers, Kidnappers or ritualists may drop their evil deeds {James 5:20} a politician will promote all these evil deeds just to gain or remain in power! Galatians 5:22-23

So stop deceiving yourself because all of us are sinners and God wants us to repent from our sins but politicians are the children of Satan {John 8:44} they will support any kind of evil act as long as their political ambitions is at stake. When Jesus said "father forgive them because they don't know what they're doing" {Luke 23:34} he was praying in behalf of sinners who were acting on what the Jewish politicians paid them to do but as for those politicians they're sinning against God's Holy Spirit because they knew exactly what they're doing! Matthew 12:31-32

englishmart:
He resurrected as a spirit being. We just easily make up points when we can't prove logically.

Logically a human known very well by all his friends can't become a stranger if it's the same body {John 20:11-16; Luke 24:15-32} well it's due to the fact that he has returned to spirit form since his human body used as sacrifice for sin has been taken away!

englishmart:
The deal was that he who knew no sin, would die as a recompense for sin. After dying to save the world, he resurrected on the third day. Didn't his resurrection invalidate the deal?

For example, I hired and paid an assassin to get someone eliminated, few months later, I found out the person didn't die after all. Don't you think the deal falling through will trigger a refund?

This is what most religionists claiming Christians failed to understand, Jesus paid for mankind's sin as man but he resurrected as a spirit being, his human body is the sacrifice not his prehuman existence which must continue after his earthly mission!