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tctrills:
You seem confused. Rape is a crime. If you want to help rapists, go to Benue and help all the Fulani herdsmen raping innocent women. You would fight to defend your wife from rape simple. So your funny claim of superiority is fake. Everyone fights for whats important to them.

Both the rapist and victim needs help not fight you may fight your son for raping your daughter, that's none of my business but from my own perspective both of them needs help if we truly love them!

Sunnyshinylight:
I corrected a brother, that Hebrew 10:24-25, isn't only when you go to church, study, coming together, meeting, it could be at home in the office anywhere you meet together, not necessarily church building please.

Hebrews 10:24-25 mustn't be held in an office!

It's strictly theocratic exercise that must not be attached to business activities like office!

tctrills:
Good
So I was right all along. The JW have no problem with fighting or attacking a rapist their only problem is fighting for their country.
So don't pretend you are different in any meaningful way.
It's ok that you pick and justify your violence but you are just as violent with a touch of hypocrisy

So helping people with abnormal lifestyle also means violence to you shey?
Your problem will be solve in Jesus name!

tctrills:
So what is your point? Are you saying that a JW member would not attack a rapist? I really don't understand your point.

Come on you understood what i've been saying perfectly all this while you're only trying to make a fool of yourself!

One human who goes out of his senses needs the help of his/her neighbours to call him/her to order, you and i agreed that a rapist only lost his/her senses of morality so when one is caught it makes no sense creating a hoax due to nepotism, the culprit or victim could be anybody your son, daughter, uncle, aunt, brother, sister, father or mother so what both the culprit and victim needed is help.
But when talking about politics this people are imposing their standard on others and using weapons to intimidate you so that's the problem not racism or religion.

Thanks!

The word "CHURCH" was misconstrued for a building long before now but that's not what the first century Christians mean when they use the Hebrew text translated to Church in our time.
A baptized follower of Christ is a Christian and the gathering of Christians is CHURCH so it's wrong saying someone goes to church since the original meaning of that word doesn't connote a building.
However real Christians do gather for a purpose and that is to encourage one another {Hebrews 10:24-25} and find ways to continue doing the work Jesus assigned to them. Matthew 28:19-20

Today most people go to religous centers just to pray and what they're anticipating is personal things which is wrong in Christianity.
Whatever personal should be discussed with God in private {Matthew 6:6} so when we meet together as Christians it's not to start listing prayer points guessing what each person wish rather it's to make arrangements for the preaching and teaching campaign of God's Kingdom and that's the only thing that brings Jesus into such a gathering {Matthew 18:20} because he is the captain who commissioned the work. As for personal requests Jesus said whether you're a Christian or not God will give all impartially {Matthew 5:45} so speak to God in any language or anyway you know He is ready to give all! Matthew 6:26

Mikee19:
Where? Just show me where! Did he say mountain is his child? Or goat? Or ant? Where in ur bible did he say they are his children? Not in one scrpture does God say this! If it were true u would be able to see scripture littered everywhere with God saying "My child, snake", "my child, stone", everywhere! U wont have to look for just one obscure scipture in the whole bible to try prove your point for something God always does. By the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses every word is established. Way too weak to stand up in a court of law

Don't digress too far, try to settle issues one after the other. This is what I told you:

MaxInDHouse:
Just as nobody can quote any verse that says otherwise regarding the word begotten!

The word BEGOTTEN remains undefined in the Bible and that's what you promised to quote a verse that tells specifically the meaning of that word "BEGOTTEN"

Mikee19:
oh I certainly can. And I will...

So go straight to the quotation i'm not ready for your hide and seek, God is the father of all creations and Jesus is the firstborn {Colossians 1:15} i won't go far with you on that because you're not ready to learn, i would have taught you how things like telephone, television, internet, automobiles and so many other inventions of man are God's CHILDREN.
YES! He gave birth to all these things but since you're not teachable i'll keep that for humble ones.
So provide the quotation that specifically defines that word BEGOTTEN!

OkCornel:
The Holy Spirit is the reliable source of truth.
He is the source of the truth. The Bible is a product which can be corrupted by errors and lies.
However, the source (Holy Spirit) can never be corrupted

1 John 2 v 26-27;
26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray.
27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.

You misconstrued that Bible book 1John 2:26-27
The Holy Spirit teaches only when Christians are looking for ways to continue the work Jesus assigned them in unusual situations but such guidance aren't found written in the Bible that's when God's Holy Spirit takes charge of the situation. Luke 12:11-12; John 16:12-13
Christians must continue TEACHING themselves!
Matthew 28:20; Act 2:42; Hebrews 13:7, 17

Watchtower materials!
Please complete your study with a qualified minister, dedicate your life to Jehovah and get baptized before coming to this figurative lagoon. Many i tell, have you totally have lost faith in God while discussing with faithless miscreants. Luke 13:24
God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Mikee19:
I'll really love to see where God calls a stone and a goat his children. This sounds strange to me, certainly not my own God Mountains being "born" was of course figurative, which is why u had to quote the NIV

When God call any creature His children it's a figurative speech as well God is a spirit who has no physical shape you can describe so all creatures are His handiwork so Jesus who is the firstborn of all creations simply means the first creature God created.
Note that the scriptures did not say the firstborn of all humans rather all creations so whether living or nonliving all are God's creation and Jesus is the firstborn!
I never accepted you as a worshiper of my God for once so you and i aren't on the same page!

vinexe:
@ MaxInDHouse THANKS U FOR UR POST

You're welcome Sir!

tctrills:
What was your question. Pls.
First I doubt you were in any service and even if you were, your experience personal to you.
But to show that you were never in the service as you claim.
Are you saying you have not heard of armed robbers rapping or herdsmen rapping women.
I am 100% sure that a Fulani herdsman would give you the beating of your life if you try to stop his from rapping your wife or daughter

Now you're changing the narrative again!

When you say "ARMED" then it's no longer about fighting but authority, during my service it's only women i heard in some countries that carries weapons mainly for the purpose of raping men because it's a sign of superior authority to subdue their victims.
Ọmọ that has nothing to do with FIGHT!

And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, Deuteronomy 14:26

Ask them to explain!

Mikee19:
oh I certainly can. And I will...

Your type just run along there's nothing you know other than trying to chat with a JW so you're welcome.

Mikee19:
lol mountain is a child of God. Na your own God born goat too?

God refers to all creatures as His children He is the source of all lives no be sexual reproduction we dey talk nah who bring them come!

tctrills:
What are you taking about please. I think you are a bit confused here. Take some time to clear your head and process you point.
If criminals have no right to fight back who has a right to fight back?

I asked you a simple question so try to answer this is not the time to resort to annoyance!

All my years in service i never heard a rapist fought back when caught in the act even men found with another man's wife in a hotel they both went to do it willingly never fights back when caught not to talk of a rapist who has no right whatsoever within the confines of the law.

Ọmọ you're just displaying how low your IQ!

Mikee19:

2 ppl liked it. Not a sinlge sripture backing it up saying "he is only begotten because he is only created..." Observe that the only true support for "begotten = created" is the watchtower

Just as nobody can quote any verse that says otherwise regarding the word begotten!

Mikee19:
i love this!
Means an ant is born of God too, as it "came through the same process"
As is a goat. And a stone. Following the same logic, all of these are children of God

Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the whole world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God. Psalms 90:2 NIV


Before the mountains were born Or you brought forth the earth and the productive land, From everlasting to everlasting, you are God. Psalms 90:2 NWT

Please who is the father who born mountains?

triplechoice:
Are you speaking on behalf of Jesus?
He told you personally he took Mary Baxter to hell because he wanted to focus on the present generation? Your reply is the usual talk for sheepies in your church who don't ask questions. Sorry, You don't have the answer to the fate of people who never heard of Jesus.
Don't make excuse for your Jesus. You're not his spokesman. Anyone who can think straight knows Mary Baxter story is the fabrication of a pathological liar. This has been proven
One wonders how possible is it for spirits or souls to now have flesh, made of matter, that burns in hell ,a place that is supposed to be an immaterial location, and that is ,if such a place even exist at all. And yes, Satan that's supposed to be receiving punishment is enjoying himself in a part of hell , called , fun centre, torturing souls that God gave him permission to misled. Mary Baxter middle name, Kathryn, which has been proven to be a fake name she adopted later in life, is what Jesus called her in the story. So Jesus didn't not know that Kathryn is not her really name and called her that?
Make una dey use una head to think abeg.

They will just fabricate fables add salt and pepper then use Jesus' name to season it and their type will swallow it hook line and sinker instead of listening to the truth {2Timothy 4:3-4} but when they meet intelligent people asking thought provoking questions they just expect everyone to swallow their stories without ascertaining whether it's true! Act 17:11

tctrills:
You just showed you are not an intelligence agent. You obviously don't know the definition of a fight. Fighting on its own is a crime. That's why the police would arrest fighting cultist.
Now it's look at the definition of a fight since you don't know. Take part in a violent struggle involving the exchange of physical blows or the use of weapons. a violent confrontation or struggle. "he'd got into a fight with some bouncers outside a club" Please rather than claiming to be a secret agent, just use your dictionary.

How many rapists have you heard fighting when caught in the act and dealt with?

Now you know that fighting has nothing to do with a criminal who has no right whatsoever to fight back when caught in the act.

Ọmọ this is my field so you will continue to tie yourself in the cobweb by trying to falsify what an intelligent officer told you about our field!

tctrills:
We are not discussing who a rapist can be. So far, we both agreed that JW members are allowed to fight off a rapist. So the notion that you are against fighting is not true. You are only against fighting for your country simply. So there is nothing special or biblical about your beliefs if you are prepared to fight in some instances and not fight in other instances.

I will continue to show you what being an agent of the intelligence means, so let me enlighten you again!

A FIGHT is what the law refer to as public disturbance or constituting nuisance but when a criminal is caught and beaten by the mob it's not called FIGHTING rather it's called mob action which could lead to the death of the culprit if not rescued by the law enforcement agents.
So you only think of FIGHT when the two parties involved have reasons to stand up against each other, in this case there is no criminal because both are fighting for what they both think is right but from different perspective which made them oppositions.
It's when there's no superior authority to resolve the issue that WAR is declared.

So your logic is misplaced, people fighting for what is right totally differs from a mob beating up a criminal!

Life is a gift from God! Romans 6:23
The various tastes you savour in different kinds of food, drinks and fruits. The fragrance of the flowers and other sweet smells all around you. The beautiful sight of different kinds of creatures both living and none living. The delightful sound of the birds and other creatures. The cool breeze from nature and the sea, what about the fishes of all kinds some good for food but others that's good for the eyes with multiple colours. The company of loved ones with whom you share the best of the best moments.
This is what life is all about!
The CREATOR never wanted us to enjoy all these things for a while but forever as His beloved children created in His image.

But Satan's system has made many lost the taste of life, they just feel like "it's no need staying long after all death is inevitable and there's nothing to do about it" {Isaiah 22:13} so when you talk about dying young it makes no sense to them because they believe no one lives forever.

That is why Jesus referred to what we are sharing as the GOOD NEWS of God's Kingdom {Matthew 24:14} it's not about some fairy Hell or going to heaven rather it's about living forever on this same planet earth {Psalms 37:29 compare to Matthew 5:5} when all evildoers will no longer be where we use to see them {Psalms 37:9-11} just imagine walking with your wife around 1am along Oṣodi or Ìdúmọ̀tà and there's no fear of anyone coming to attack you {Proverbs 1:33} there will be no thought of sickness {Isaiah 33:24} oldage {Job 33:25} we will not even think of death! Isaiah 25:8 compare to Revelations 21:3-4

All these has become like impossibility in the eyes of many (even among those claiming believers) they're thinking God must destroy this planet before anything good could come not knowing that He has firmly established the planet forever {Psalms 104:5} rather it's those without faith that will not be here {Proverbs 2:20-22} when the goodies arrive! Matthew 6:10

So when talking about everlasting life Jesus told us not to throw such costly pearls at pigs because their minds are tied to death they can't perceive anything good, rather we are sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel: those hoping in God for a better tomorrow! Matthew 10:6

Thanks!

tctrills:
Oga an actor is not an expect of global peace. It doesn't matter if you have a daughter. It's not personal. I am sure that many JW members have daughters and they would not sit by and watch their daughters being raped. The would fight with all they have to protect their kids.

So talk about what makes sense not keeping yourself in a box, rapists can be male or female and it may even be your own son or daughter that's raping someone. Of course the rapist knows very well that what he/she is doing is dangerous because it's not acceptable in any society and people will surely stand with one voice whether Germans, Polish, English or Nigerian against rapists but when talking about wars it's not what you can determine who is on the wrong or who is on the right.
That's where Jesus' words comes to reality, i know you have no regards for Jesus you're just using lawlessness to cover your face.
We are talking about something that only God's word can settle you're here talking about what humans have unanimously agreed upon as wrong!

Hismasterpiece:
What did Jesus teach? That he is Michael the archangel? That we shouldn't pay tithes? That there is no hell? Please enlighten me...

Go and read study the four gospel accounts and pay rapt attention to Jesus' way of dealing with people in general and his words then come back and tell me what you learned.

Erase what all these churches are saying about Jesus from your mind and focus on what he himself said!

MyVILLAGEpeople:
What about our forefathers that didn’t get to hear about Jesus before the missionaries came ?

Where will they end up in ?

What God planned for OBEDIENT descendants of Adam is a resurrection on this same planet earth {Job 14:13-15} but that doesn't mean they will get a direct Visa to everlasting life, all humans must pass through the teachings of Christ before they can qualify for everlasting life that's why they will all be resurrected and during Christ's 1,000 years reign we will teach them what Christ taught they must comply or they will return to their graves that time no more resurrection that's what the Bible called the second death! Revelations 20:13-15

triplechoice:
Oh. This response has cleared the air
I used to think that the 70 hours is for everyone not knowing it's only for Regular pioneers.
There was a time in the past I wanted to be a JW, but this matter of meeting the target of preaching minimum 70hours monthly was what put me off. Nobody explained this very well to me. But of course, I didn't asked maybe because I relied on what outsiders were saying to conclude.
I assumed at that time it was for all JW, and believe me, most people are not even aware of the true situation of things. They just imagined that you all are expected to meet the same target.
Thanks for the clarification.

You're welcome!
Even most in the organization still feel that's the criteria to either become a BORN AGAIN Christian in our midst but it's not.
Many like the OP must have felt been a regular pioneer makes him a real JW so they exerted themselves when their hearts aren't fully off the material things of this world that's what made their worship to God burdensome in their hearts whereas Jesus made it clear that he gave some 10 talents some 5 and still some 1 depending on their heart conditions.
If your heart is like the fine soil {Matthew 13:8} Jesus can see it so he will give you more talents to do business for him but when he notice that your heart is the rocky, withered or roadside soil Jesus will give you what you can trade with since your heart is still longing for the things in the world so you can do little in Jesus' business as you're also spending most of your time to gather the material things of this world.
That doesn't mean you will not enter God's Kingdom so far you accept Jesus as King and ready to work for him you will be rewarded with everlasting life it's the same reward! Matthew 20:1-15
But the problem with many is that they are fed up noticing that Jesus is willing to pay the same wage for someone who just became his disciples with those who have served all their life so they left the work angrily {Luke 15:25-32} and the worst is they're now working for the devil trying to discourage others from working for the Lord {Luke 11:52} that's why they though are the first to know this truth but in entering God's Kingdom they will be last that is if they come back to their senses! Matthew 20:16

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

tctrills:
You justified attacking a rapist. Go back and read your comments. My point is, if you would fight someone raping your daughter then you are not against war, you are only against fighting for your country. Now if you are against fighting for your country but you would rather fight to protect your daughter, I fully understand your position but don't bring religion into it simple!

I don't have a daughter so nobody can rape a daughter i never had, the point is you've seen the truth but you choose to hold onto straws i can see your frustration!

SeniorMan715:
How can i convince someone that Abel was a sinner and was born a sinner ?

Have you ever seen a drowning person before?
Well the world empire of FALSE RELIGION is like the big lagoon in which most people are drowning spiritually so if you're not a skilled seaman with experience you dare not go near to them otherwise the one drowning will drag you to the bottom of the lagoon.
That's what Jesus meant when he said:

“Come after me, and I will make you fishers of men.” Mark 1:17

So for now calmly learn how to dive well in the lagoon!

tctrills:
Let me make it easy for you.
You are not against war. You would fight someone raping your daughter.
But you are against fighting for your country.
Now that we have established the fact that you support some kind of fight and oppose other kinds of fight, let's move on.
Why would you fight with someone raping your daughter?

You're a joker right?

Where in my comments did i say anything about fight?

Let me ask you a question:

Do you know you as a grown up man can be raped?

SeniorMan715:
Do you genuinely repent if you keep sinning?

Sin connotes error, as imperfect humans we can't do without errors so if you admit that you're not perfect all you need is take precautions so as not to repeat the same mistake again. Proverbs 24:16
God sees our hearts He knows when we truly feel remorse for our blunders so He forgives! Matthew 18:22 compare to Psalms 103:12-14

Olambees:
Islam invites us to what benefits us and all of humanity.

Can you mention any group that Islam has ensure peace in their midst?
I'm asking this question because i can't see any group that has break free from the shackles of racism and politics. Muslims will kill Muslims during ethnic conflicts that's what i'm asking you, as for your claims all other religions do lay the same so what i need is PRACTICAL BENEFITS that we can all see to know that your Allah has successfully unite his worshipers as one!

triplechoice:
You're deflecting.
I am not asking you what it means to handle the word of truth or whether the Bible is about Do's or Don't s ,but to show where in the Bible it is mentioned that Christians must achieve a minimum of 70 hours monthly preaching time.
You already admitted it is your own target which you or your organization have set.
So ,what is now the reason for your latest rhetorics?
I already agreed nothing wrong to set a target for what you want to do,but let your members know the truth about the 70 hours, and not using humbug to make it look like something a God has fixed in order to make them obey it That's deception
.All the Bible verses you listed never talked of any specific preaching hours. Oga just rest. You misinterpreted the op's

There is no scripture that says a Christian must make up to certain hours monthly but all JWs must preach and make reports of their ministry, {Luke 10:17} this is the norms that helps us to know those who needs help since Lord Jesus commanded us all to go out and preach! Matthew 28:18-29

The report is what the elders gather to know those becoming INACTIVE in their assigned divine duty and as our brother's keepers each of us has a duty to continue assisting one another to keep up with the Lord's work! Hebrews 12:12

However some may choose to do more in the work so the organization is helping them to set good goals for themselves as we ought to continue considering things that are praiseworthy {Philippians 4:8} that's what brought the issue of 70 hours monthly. Those meeting up with this are known among us as "REGULAR PIONEERS" they are the most respected in our midst, that's what the OP is pretending to be so as to gain attention but Jesus never said being a regular pioneer is the criteria to enter God's Kingdom he only encouraged us to do our utmost which the organization is encouraging us to do with the regular pioneer arrangement.
The parable of the talents is what Jesus used to illustrate this:
Our hearts condition determines how many talents Jesus will give each person, don't forget that time is money so if you choose to spend more time in doing the work of the Lord it means you're capable to let go of worldly things {Matthew 6:19-21} so Jesus will give you more understanding than those who can't let go but what happens to those who stopped the work completely trying to use all their hours to make materials things? well let's leave that in the hands of Jesus Christ the judge! Matthew 25:28-31
Today such ones are gnashing their teeth at those zealously doing the work Jesus will send them to where they belong and that's where their gnashing will end!

Thanks!

SeniorMan715:
The Bible says that people receive “the mark of the wild beast” because they follow it “with admiration,” to the point of worshipping it.
( Revelation 13:​3, 4; 16:2)
They do this by giving worshipful honor to their country, its symbols, or its military might.

Who taught you these things?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm i'm beginning to see a different person in you!
Well this is the absolute TRUTH!

SeniorMan715:
Wild beast like i understood is all the false religions worldwide

Wild beast is POLITICS, the woman (prostitute) riding on it's back and commiting sexual immorality with it is the world empire of FALSE RELIGION!

This is the analysis:
Note that the wild beast came out of the sea {Revelations 13:1} according to God's word the sea means indecisive wicked people of the world {Isaiah 57:20} they don't want to subject themselves to God's Kingdom they preferred Satan's arrangement which is humans should rule over humans! Genesis 3:4-5
So why are they referred to as BEAST?
It's because beasts act on impulse there is no foresight (wisdom) in animals whatever they do is based on the present condition they find themselves, exactly what human governments do.
The world empire of FALSE RELIGION is called a prostitute because it's supposed to be married to the chosen King Christ Jesus as her rightful owner and husband but false religions keep Jesus aside to interfere with human governments and by so doing they support the killing going on in politics but what really makes her wicked is how she compels the wild beast to kill Jesus' true disciples who PREACH the GOOD NEWS of God's Kingdom, this harlot calls the attention of the wild beast against the servants of God! Revelations 17:6

If you need more i'm very much with you!

Janosky:
LIAR on a public forum.
Every outdoors Events Centres & amphitheatres use that basic design of pyramid shape.
You are very deluded to make FALSE claims on this thread.
The occultic pyramid & cross symbols in deeper life church building & other buildings of Christendom is exactly the same with freemasonry symbols posted by Courz.
Mr Russell was not buried in that place you are posted on this thread.

I hail you o!
Me i don't have any time to waste on them the OP said:

Templee333:
hey! Come & defend ur true worship here. Whatever way i choose to tell my story is non of ur business. But as for this idol worship/true worship bla bla bla, i won't keep quiet. My question again:
WHO ARE SOPHIA AND CALEB AND WHY DO U WORSHIP THEM?

So he doesn't want anyone to appeal to his conscience regarding what he chooses to say therefore i don't have anything to discuss with people who have killed their conscience to malign God's organization, there is freedom of speech, expression, worship and association let each one choose whatever they like {Revelations 22:11} but they can't stop me from sharing what i have with rightly disposed souls that's the assignment Jesus Christ gave me. Romans 8:35-39
What is paining them is they just don't want JWs to talk freely with others and that's beyond their control i'm enjoying myself sharing the GOOD NEWS of God's Kingdom with other Nairalanders, many have become my personal Bible study on this same forum.
Any right thinking person should know that it makes no sense pointing at flaws in a religion without presenting a better performing group!