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Wilgrea7:
Well, I'm just asking questions, and giving people the opportunity to think for themselves. If you think your answers can serve your purpose, feel free to contribute.. if not, then I bid you farewell

Meaning both of us aren't on the same page, goodbye!

Wilgrea7:
Dtruthspeaker ... MaxinDhouse ... TenQ ... elated177 ... The floor is yours

Just tell me what you aim to achieve because my aim for debates is to gain worshipers for my own God by agreeing on the same line of thought {John 17:20-23} so that i can have more trusted friends around.
I just don't debate aimlessly! 1Corinthians 9:26

Solofresh2:
So if the names of the daughters were not mentioned, how did how did Cain's son give birth to his own child?
Abi it was through incest as well?

It was sin that brought about those laws!

When Adam and Eve were perfect God only gave them just one rule but after man's fall the need for countless rules set in because unlike Adam and Eve who were perfect their imperfect children will be affected by sin so they need lots of dos and donts to guide them in their day to day lives!

Maynman:
The reason your salvation depends on 8 baldmen is because “8,000,000” people also are doing it?
Even the 8 baldmen don’t agree on the same orders when given to discreet slaves
YaldaGarbage 17:69
The baldmen that owns your destiny were less than 8 before, now they are 8 and counting. Bwahahahaha

So by the end of the day you ended up having nothing to say about your god, even the other guy tried to focus on the topic of discussion.

Then why running up and down the forum arguing as if you have something tangible to say about a better god than what others worship?

Ọmọ try to remove the rafter in your eyes first before thinking of helping others to remove the spec in their eyes.

Goodbye!

KiNg0G:
in the beginning God created the heavens and earth and everything there in.. which means he is the owner.. the creator..... but how come when lucifer tempted jesus christ... he showed him all the good things of life...if only he would bow to him.. then it will all be his. (as another owner)
Does it mean satan owns the world?
did God sold the world to him after creation?
was there any sort of bargain when he casted him from heaven?
is there two owners of this world?
I'm confused
Seun
lalasticlala
mynd44

The Creator owns everything but regarding the planet (earth) He assigned man as the one and only creature in His image to SUBDUE it {Genesis 1:26-28 compare to Psalms 115:16} but man choose to sell his soul to the devil by rebelling against his Creator {Genesis 3:1-6} Satan knew very well that after Adam expire no one can rule over the children of the rebel, even Adam himself could see the troubles that will follow his rebellion because in his own eyes his first son killed the second {Genesis 4:8} so Satan waited patiently until Adam died {Genesis 5:5} then he began taking action by inviting more angels who also joined him to rebel against God {Genesis 6:1 compare to Jude 1:6} as the leader of all these mighty spirit beings Satan was able to control the whole earth as humans were seeking the help of demons to rule over their fellowman. That's how Satan was given all the kingdoms of the world! Luke 4:6

God called Abraham He (God) wanted to start planning for His own government which will end Satan's control {Daniel 2:44} a child will be born from the lineage of Abraham and this child will end Satan's control that's has lasted for thousands of years! Isaiah 9:6-7

So by the time Satan was introducing all the kingdoms of the earth under his control he was actually trying to distract this promised Christ from focusing on his earthly mission, Satan knew that if Jesus could succeed in his earthly mission then his (Satan's) days are numbered! Genesis 3:15 compare to Revelations 12:7; Daniel 12:1-3

So Satan rules the world presently {John 14:30; 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19} but soon his rule be over! Matthew 6:10

May you have PEACE!

Maynman:
But your salvation depends on 8 baldsmen and without them you are ruined, is that what a right thinking person will do?
Your deity created humans then arranged for a small group that has had many FAILED PREDICTIONS? That’s the group that holds your destiny?
Yaldagarbage 23:3-4.
Will your kids salvation also depend on these 8 baldmens? Your kids will perish without these old men?
Jehodust 22:5 compare to yahwerey 54:3-4
The future of you and your kids rely solely on these 8 old men without them y’all will perish and Jesus Christ or is it angel michael can’t help you.
And the people that owns you were less than 8, now they are 8 and counting

Over 8,000,000 people throughout the earth are in agreement with them as our God made us all to think alike {John 17:22} but just two of you on this forum it's obvious that there's no agreement as you guys can't conclude on what to say about your god!

Maynman:
Olorun is a god now?
When are you going to introduce the “8 holy baldheads” that your salvation depends on?

Try to agree with the other guy first, speak in harmony, that's what will make a right thinking individual see that you guys know what you're saying.
JEHOVAH the God of the Bible arranged for a small group of people to whom He handed over the government over His own worshipers {Luke 12:32} that's why you're so obsessed with their pictures as the whole world can SEE the one and only organization that's on the top {Isaiah 2:2 compare to Matthew 5:14-16} performing excellently!

So my future and that of my yet unborn generations i will entrust in the hands of this group that's performing excellently.
They have proved beyond reasonable doubt that the Almighty God is behind their work! Zechariah 8:23

Maynman:
May i not be a laughing stock like a Yaldaboath Worshipper.
May my Kids lives not Perish or Depend on Baldheads in watchtower.
It’s intriguing what Middle East gods can do to indoctrinated sheeps.

And may i not be a worshiper of a god whose worshipers can't agree on the same line of thought! Luke 11:23

Why not agree with your brother in faith first?

Nelidee:
Apologies if we are derailing your thread bro.
Please fire down. Am still reading.

Please Sir, what do you think about this person's question?

zoer:
Is there a BETTER REPLACEMENT for JW?

Matthew 5:14-16

PastorAIO:
Return from where?

Wilderness after JEHOVAH drove them out of the promised land!

PastorAIO:
So that was a warning. They were not even walking straight to Canaan according g to the bible but going round and round in circles for 40 years. Yęyę wanderers led by a yęyę yhwh.

JEHOVAH said those among His people that failed to trust Him after all what He did in their eyes will not enter the land of Canaan {Numbers 14:28-30} so only Caleb and Joshua survived the journey because they fully trusted JEHOVAH!
Evidence that JEHOVAH is the true God!

PastorAIO:
What about the people that yhwh could not drive out because they had iron? Is yhwh that feeble that he cannot withstand iron? So Ogun is greater than yhwh.

No nation standing against the Israelites that were not driven out of Canaan, that's the more reason why all the surrounding nations hate the Israelites!

PastorAIO:
The oriki says , “ma se mi, elo mi ni ko se.” Literally in Yoruba that means don’t do me, do someone else.

Please what exactly do the worshipers mean by saying Èṣù shouldn't do them rather he should do someone else?
According to the worshipers of JEHOVAH none of them speak of JEHOVAH as if he shouldn't do them because they're confident that He is the best friend ever!

PastorAIO:
I’m talking of the entire species of elephant. I’m sure some are more intelligent than others just as some humans are more intelligent than other humans.

Just point to one technological advancement of in the history of either elephant or dolphin!

PastorAIO:
You tell me the achievement of man that is so wonderful and I’ll see if I can’t name another species that can do it and even better. There are humans living in the Amazon forest, naked, no big buildings, close to nature, no modern technology. Are you suggesting that those ones are not intelligent or they were not made in the image of God?
I don’t know why you are ululating ‘Jehovah jehovah’. Is something paining you? You don’t even know his name sef, you just conjecture that it’s Jehovah.

Please don't start arguing with insults remember how politely you came into the discussion!

When you talked about elephants were you referring to all elephants or you attributed what some did to quantify their specie globally?

PastorAIO:
So you don’t think that giving demons goats will make them return? Return from where sef? Where did they go? I thought they were in their domain.

Yes they can return for sure if JEHOVAH abandon His people!

PastorAIO:
Where did you read that one now o? Abi na personal revelation? When did yhwh send warning to canaanites and when did the bible say the demons deceived their worshipers.

JEHOVAH'S treatment of Egyptian and the way He brought the Israelites out of Egypt to walk on dry land through the red sea is enough warning message to all the Canaanites that the Almighty God is coming with the Israelites.
That's why Rahab of Jericho took side with JEHOVAH! Joshua 2:9-10

So He has sent a warning message ahead even a nation in Canaan used discernment to secure their own place they are called the Gibeonites! Joshua 9:3-21


Calm down and learn about the Holy One of Israel JEHOVAH!

PastorAIO:
So he came from nowhere and only him waka from nowhere go Egypt. Because his domain is nowhere no wonder he is so jealous and thieving. That must be what Jesus meant when he said birds has nests, foxes have holes but the son of yhwh had Nowhere.

You still have a long way to go but tribalism won't allow you see clearly.

Jehovah is the Almighty and Creator of the earth, Adam alienated himself from the true God and sold the earth and his descendants to Satan. That's why Satan could confidently say:

“I will give you all this authority and their glory, because it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish" Luke 4:6

Satan became the god of this system of things right from the time Adam and Eve chose him over their rightful owner and Creator! 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19

JEHOVAH is only acting on his LOVE for innocent mankind who never signed their lives to Satan the Devil. That's why He has to ask for just a portion of the earth to establish pure worship!

So my friend you still have a long way to go in this if you're not open to reasoning!

zoer:
I had to read alot about EXJW as you guys have been saying and quoting....it's so disheartening to read that...but we can't judge from what people said......
Can we come to discuss without calling names?
@janosky
@maxiInDaHouse

zoer:
I really can't call everybody out but the two JW are the ones I did called out....I respect their opinion and defence about their org but the calling of names is not so christian or Jehova like.
I am here to learn and know the truth about JW but I can't learn with the insults flying in this thread....

There's one thing i came to do on this thread, something told me to respond to your post that's why i purposely ignored the OP.

zoer:
MaxinDhouse will come for you if only he won't derail the topic

zoer:
Is there a better replacement for JW?

He knew he's about to tell lies against God's organization but to prevent JWs from coming to expose his crookedness he said dedicated JWs shouldn't come in.

Please i want you to continue following his SUPERSTORY then try to figure out what is evil in JWs organization that's not found in any other religion except things Jesus commanded that all of them deliberately ignored so at to gather faithless crowds!

PastorAIO:
Talk about devastation, no mythology or religion has a deity that likes to devastate as much as the filthy demon called Yhwh.

Isaiah 24
1Behold, the LORD will empty the eartha and make it desolate,
and he will twist its surface and scatter its inhabitants.
2And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest;
as with the slave, so with his master;
as with the maid, so with her mistress;
as with the buyer, so with the seller;
as with the lender, so with the borrower;
as with the creditor, so with the debtor.
3The earth shall be utterly empty and utterly plundered;
for the LORD has spoken this word.

You're deceiving yourself!
A righteous God must have punishment for evildoers!

But as for the righteous richly blessings awaits them:

Psalms 37:9-11,29; 67:6-7; Isaiah 65:21-23

PastorAIO:
https://baanchangelephantpark.com/elephant_post_17

this video in the link is particularly interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5sFxcxoy3Q

I don't know what you mean but man has achieved a lot. The planet is being destroyed due to the activities of some humans. There are humans though who engage in these so called advances, like many of the tribes in the amazon forest. They even walk around naked which exposes the lie in your bible that they were ashamed of unclothedness and yhwh clothed them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBbFnU5ITuM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5RiHTSXK2A

Ọmọ there is no creature that's 0.000001% close to man, but if you want to contest this just point to one achievement of any other creature on this planet.

BOW! BOW!! BOW!!! Before the one and only true God: JEHOVAH the Bible's Author, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!

He said man was created in the image of the Maker and only man can create things that are stronger the elephant!

PastorAIO:
So there is no mention of Yoruba deities in the bible as they only focus on Israel ba? You lied when you said the 'fallen angels' in the bible refer to Yoruba deities. then this your God that journeys from somewhere all the way to Egypt to free his people, does that mean he has his domain too, and he traveled from there to Egypt. So he too is like the fallen angles that you described who have carved out domains for themselves.

The one and only God who came from nowhere and singlehandedly delivered people from slavery is the true God!

He even receives sacrifice just like any other lesser deity. He even sends a share of the goats received to his fellow demons in the wilderness. Even those those demon's worshippers had been exterminated in a heinous act of genocide instigated by himself by his followers. See the devilishness of the character?

He has sent a warning message but those demons deceived their worshipers to death!

You're talking about of both sides of your mouth now. Those demons received their goat because they have a right to their domain as long as worshippers are loyal. However you said the worshippers were exterminated so why is yhwh still sharing goats with them?

That's to teach His worshipers that those demons are still hanging around, any rebellious act against the true God will attract condemnation and the demons will return !

PastorAIO:
2Samuel 24:1

1Again the anger of the YHWH was kindled against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go, number Israel and Judah.” 2So the king said to Joab, the commander of the army,a who was with him, “Go through all the tribes of Israel, from Dan to Beersheba, and number the people, that I may know the number of the people.”

1Chronicles. 21:1

1Then Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel. 2So David said to Joab and the commanders of the troops, “Go and count the Israelites from Beersheba to Dan and bring me a report, so that I may know their number.”

I love this!

Note that the God of Israel has told His people that they will not be numbered:

"I will certainly deal well with you, and I will make your offspring like the grains of sand of the sea, which are too numerous to count.’” Genesis 32:12

So lesson learned: Satan took permission from God before tempting King David just as Satan took permission to tempt Job {Job 1:7-12} for Jehovah to grant it {Job 1:10} then Satan could act as if it's Jehovah who spoke to David!

In reality Satan was granted the chance to tempt David due to David's blunders! 2Samuel 11:1-27

PastorAIO:
Man is not the only intelligent being on this planet. Elephants have a very high level of intelligence and so dolphins. Even more intelligent than some humans.

Can you point to just one advancement in the way these creatures live their lives because man has achieved a lot just as the Bible God claimed when He said:

“Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth" Genesis 1:26

Only man is intelligent to the point of driving away any creature if the location is suitable for living, and man has developed technology that no other creature could do 0.000001%

This is the indisputable proof of what the Bible God claimed: He created man to become like Himself ~ Creators/inventors of new things!

PastorAIO:
The bible is a big book. Can you not specify which passage exactly speaks of the Yoruba deities and how they took over certain domains?

The Author of the Bible only focus on a nation (Israel) but when it comes to how all other nations get their deities this Author gave us clues if we want to know the truth {John 8:32} note how this God journeyed all the way to Egypt to free His people without a military force? But any nation can also fabricate such a story so i focus on realities that's common everywhere to compare to what this Author is saying.

The God of Israel demanded that His worshipers should present two live goats before Him, one is to be sacrificed to Him on the spot but the other to be escorted outside the land where the former deities occupying that domain has been driven after their worshipers has been exterminated! Leviticus 16:7-10

From this recorded event i learned that the God of Israel knows that despite He being the Creator those demons have the right to that domain as long as their worshipers are loyal to them. That's why He warned His own worshipers never to invite those demons back because they will be roaming around since they've been misplaced from their domain! Deuteronomy 18:9-13

PastorAIO:
I'm not tribalistic who I'll be alright, thanks. Please furnish us with the Oriki of Esu and. then. explain the. parallels with Satan.

The first sentence i'll translate in English:

"Èṣù, do not devastate my life please do that to someone else"

There's no other deity in Yorùbá mythology that's revered as evil one except Èṣù, all other gods have one thing or the other they can be contacted for benefits but this particular deity is only called upon for mischief.

PastorAIO:
The spirit referred to. as satan in the bible is also referred to as Yhwh.

Can you back the highlighted with the Bible?

PastorAIO:
Please, which verse in Ifa or any divination lore said that?

"Látìkọ̀lé Ọ̀run wá síkọ̀lé ayé", is a common phrase in Ifa text. It is used to refer to the origins of absolutely everything. We will hear of when Scissors left from heaven to earth. We hear of when money left from heaven to earth. we hear of when telephone left from heaven to earth.

What is referred to is the process of creation. Every created thing is brought from heaven to earth. Orun in this case reads more like potentiality. Everything makes the journey from potentiality to actuality. That's how some people interpret it to English.

At least you agree with the common phrase so use the Bible to get the clear picture:

And the angels who did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place, he has reserved with eternal bonds in dense darkness for the judgment of the great day. Jude 1:6

Man is the only intelligent being created to live on this planet {Genesis 1:26-28} all other intelligent beings are aliens!

PastorAIO:
Please can you provide references for the claims you make above.

If you will like the Bible because that's the book that's revealing all the secrets that fallen angels have hidden from people for long!

PastorAIO:
I would love a discussion about whether Esu is Satan. I posit that Esu is not Satan. What are your reasons for thinking that he is?

If you're tribalistic surely you will not feel comfortable knowing that the god your ancestors worshiped is a demon. But the Yorùbás have what is called "ORÍKÌ" through which each person knows his or her origin.

Just meditate thoroughly on the ORÍKÌ of Èṣù i'm sure you will know why Àjàyí Crowder used that name for the spirit referred to as Satan the devil in the Bible!

Maynman:
If olu-orun simply means the one having authority in heaven, and alaye means one has authority on earth, that means olu-okun(ruler of seas) and olu-osa(rulers of lagoons) are just titles like olorun(ruler of sky) and alaye!

NO! Note that through divination those worshiping these demons have told you where they came from:

"Látìkọ̀lé Ọ̀run wá síkọ̀lé ayé"

Just as the Bible says:

Now when men started to grow in number on the surface of the ground and daughters were born to them, the sons of the true God began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful. So they began taking as wives all whom they chose. Genesis 6:1-2

If you don't read this book you can never know what exactly these gods are doing on earth yet people WORSHIP them as in make sacrifices to them. Please tell me for what purpose?

Maynman:
How is “king of ocean” and “king of sea” fixed names for deities but “king of sky” is a title and does not attack people in the sky?

Ọlọ́run (Olú-Orun)
Olókun (Olú-Òkun)
Ọlọ́sà (Olú-Ọ̀sà)

That's how demons deceive their worshipers!

Each takes over a territory station there and start demanding worship from the inhabitants in his domain. The truth is that all of them were former dwellers in heaven (Ọlọ́run) who has no business with the inhabitants of the earth apart from the Grand Creator who has the right to set standards for mankind.

Olú-Ọ̀run simply means the one having authority in heaven and we know that Alayé means one has authority on earth, of course Alayé are countless though they know their ranking! Mark 1:24

LilMissFavvy:
I really pity whoever would read this thread and does not see that something is not right with JW and their doctrine, big Pity'.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm!

After thoroughly considering the SUPERSTORY this commentator asked:

zoer:
Is there a better replacement for JW?

Please do you have an answer?

Maynman:
How are titles suddenly becoming powerful spirit beings?
Thought you said olorun is a title and not a personal name.
How then is olokun and olosa powerful spirt beings and not just titles?
How many rulers of heaven do we have?

Where are you getting this from?

Ọlọ́run (someone having authority in heaven)

Olókun (Olú-Òkun) King of Ocean/Sea, Ọlọ́sà (Olú-Ọ̀sà) King of Lagoon are fixed names for those two demons attacking people either in the Ocean or Lagoon.

Maynman:
How is olokun and olosa demomic spirit but olorun(ruler of sky) is a title?

They're all powerful spirit beings in heaven before they left for the earth to have sexual relations with female humans {Genesis 6:1-5} so they're all ọlọ́runs (those having authority in heaven) it's the territories they later occupy that determines what name they're called by their worshipers. But in reality they were all formerly powerful spirit beings having authority in heaven (Ọlọ́runs)