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Courz:
JWs do not mention all their rules to people they preach to. There are many things a student studying with them are not told. It is until you have become baptised, when it is too late, that you will get to know the rest of their unpalatable rules.

Well i don't know about you o maybe you feel since all your family members are JWs you don't need to take note of their rules perhaps you're covered but as a former Muslim i questioned all their rules, in fact i know all their rules before i started attending their meetings!
HOW?
While i was studying with them i fortunately had an apostate (exjw) friend who kept feeding me with all the things that i may face as a baptized JW so anytime they come for my study that is what we must treat before we can commence on the study of the book "You Can Live Forever In Paradise On Earth" i finished that book and another "Knowledge That Leads To Everlasting Life" and some other books i read from cover to cover asking them questions before i later started studying another book "What Does The Bible Really Teach?"
In fact most of those i knew back in the early to late 90s that were also studying back then are now serving as elders among JWs but i took all the time to find out everything thing manly possible before i finally surrendered to their teachings.

So my own case is SPECIAL, i no just jump inside i look Wella Wella! 1Thessalonians 5:21

Janosky:
Emphasis on verses 9-11, pertaining to your question.
Verses 9-11, AVOID, STAY AWAY from the brother or sister practicing the immoral sinful life ,hiding it & unrepentant.

Verse 12:
Jehovah's servants would be judged for immoral, licentious living conflicting with God's standards.
Individuals outside the faith, their immoral way of life is not our business.

Verse 13.
Expel, REMOVE the wicked wrong doer from your midst.

Workers of Lawlessness aren't difficult to know:

them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

These verses did not teach us to stop relating to formal members but we understand where you are coming from

Abeg Paul stated clearly that we can continue talking to practicers of sin who are not members of the congregation {1Corinthians 5:10} because these are the ones we must preach to but when it comes to those who have already known all the rules and turned their backs Paul said "avoid them" {Romans 16:17} which is in harmony with Jesus' own words:

Jesus said to him: “No man who has put his hand to a plow and looks at the things behind is well-suited for the kingdom of God" Luke 9:62

Jesus can't make such a crucial decision on his own if not what his father also does! John 8:28 compare to Genesis 19:17

JEHOVAH hates all those who detests His rules {Proverbs 28:9} in fact we must not pray with or for them! Jeremiah 11:14

That's why Jesus only pray with his faithful disciples who are ever ready to live by the things he taught them! John 17:8-9

I am Maximus, one of Jehovah's Witnesses i'm not interested in worthless stories {2Timothy 4:3-4} but whoever is ready to open the scriptures with keen interest in what the Bible really teach i am ready to discuss with him!

ANTIlSLAM:
What's the name of my Church is your question isn't it, when you don't believe in Church and also that only you in your occultist religion are Christians while others are politicians.
ÀBÚRÒ ÌYÀWÓ BABALÁWO, why did you loves satanic symbols in your occultist religion lobatan

Can you see who is running away now?

If you don't want us to talk about church but Jesus and what he taught in the scriptures i will take up the challenge.
So what are the teachings of Christ that you believe can help faithful people to avoid the faithless ones?
Now i've removed the burden at least you can quote the scriptures and talk about Jesus' teachings instead of querying a group while hiding yours!

Courz:
Another Exhibit up here. Readers, do you see this statement above? This is the typical JW. Remember, I said JWs are Extremely Judgemental. This fellow describes a JW that marries outside the Cult as a Willful Sinner. At least, you all are seeing what we are talking about here. You can have a very good heart or personality but go against the unreasonable rules of Watchtower, you are a Sinner. And be rest assured that this fellow will shun you like a Murderer.

Thanks Mad MaxInDHouse.

And thanks for misconstruing the whole thing!
An unrepentant wrongdoers is one who vowed to live his life in harmony with the rules set up in a society, before making a pledge you must have studied all the rules of the society first so that by the time you break any of the rules your own conscience supposed to be the judge not someone else!
For instance, as a Nigerian most of you do say:

"i pledge to Nigeria my country, to be faithful loyal and honest, to serve Nigeria with all my strength, to defend her unity and uphold her honour and glory, so help me God"

With this alone millions are bringing a curse upon the nation!

WHY?

This is the most difficult task no human can undertake. As a Nigerian who has made this pledge you must not look away when you notice a policeman collecting a bribe, you must not give anyone a bribe and anything that goes against that pledge otherwise the name of God you called will bring a curse on you for making a vow but refused to pay! Ecclesiastes 5:4

So if you're not ready to become a bona fide member of any community why swearing an oath?
Jehovah's Witnesses organization will spend months with any interested person studying the scriptures and noting all what our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus COMMANDED {Matthew 28:19-20} please if you're not ready to live your life in harmony with all these rules why do you make a vow? Luke 9:62
No wonder Jesus referred to people like you as WORKERS of LAWLESSNESS/ INIQUITY! Matthew 7:23

ANTIlSLAM:
You said you're the only Christians in your occultist religion, JWs while others are Politicians, so address the issue someone raised, why did you loves satanic symbols in your occultist religion lobatan

Diversion technique as usual!
So do you now agree that you já pa from the questions i asked you?

Janosky:
Among JWs,Nobody gives anyone "judgemental looks" for failing to stick to Bible standards. When you fall short of Jehovah's standards, you know say you no do well,no be person go tell you,abi you no get conscience ?

Do you know how we were trained to figure out suspects among the innocent?
Well we ask some of our guys to put on uniforms though we're supposed to dress like civilians but with the uniform of the law enforcement agents defaulters will become uncomfortable so easily we will just start picking them up for questioning.

So how do you expect a willful sinner to feel free in the midst of faithful people?
Even ordinarily greeting at the kingdom hall will become a problem because they're feeling that through discussion with you you may find out something they're hiding. That's when all eyes from right, left, front, back and center becomes "JUDGMENTAL LOOKS"

ANTIlSLAM:
One of the false religion is your occult religion, JWs shey you know? Your cult loves Satanic symbols, YES or NO?

There he goes again!
He wan take style dodge the question but wants me to answer him!
Ọmọ since you know that it's not only JWs that is a false religion then the name of your own Church must be mentioned so we can look critically at your own Church too nah!

Janosky:
Jehovah is a CHANGER, His servants must change what is necessary or needed to change.
Even kumuyi said those who complain & throw tantrums because of CHANGES ,them no get SENSE, "they are speaking from undeveloped minds"

The truth of the matter is that JWs claims Jesus returned in the year 1914 which means before that year all the religious groups claiming Christians (including the JWs themselves) weren't doing things right!
So just as his custom when Jesus returned and couldn't find the faith he established in the first century {Luke 18:8} the only group ready to make amendments are the Bible Students Association (as JWs are formerly known) that's why Jesus began correcting them and since they admitted that they're sinners (imperfect) they began making changes.
All these things are not visible to everyone they're just like blind claims but after few decades the whole world can SEE that this group has made a tremendous turn around and they're meeting up with all what Jesus laid down in the Bible.
No wonder the other guy asked the question all Apostates hate with passion:

zoer:
Is there a BETTER replacement for JW?

Of course the answer is NO! There's no way they can find a better replacement for the one and only group standing on the spiritual mount Zion! Isaiah 2:2 compare to Matthew 5:14-16

ANTIlSLAM:
I thought you said all other Christ followers are politicians and that only you in your occultist religion, JWs are Christians, shey your story don change nii abi you don't know what you're saying again?

Jesus forewarned that many false religions will emerge due to false prophets (fake Christians) Matthew 24:11
So each sect you see is claiming they're the only true Christian group, that's why they're not united under one umbrella but since you are deaf spiritually speaking you won't know the reason why different religions emerged all claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines!

Janosky:
1 Corinthians 5:1-13. 2 John 1:9-11.
Avoid unrepentant wrong-doers because a little leaven ferments the whole lump.

Workers of LAWLESSNESS (INIQUITY) can never grasp the highlighted! Matthew 7:21-23

WHY?

Because they want to judge what is evil yet they are not open to any agreement on right and wrong. 2Timothy 3:3
So they just feel like making the choice at their own convenience no restraint but by the end of the day they want to be welcomed among Christians!

ANTIlSLAM:
ÀBÚRÒ ÌYÀWÓ BABALÁWO, ewo ninu awon questions ẹ I didn't attended to? Let's check something

I am a Christian as in one of Jehovah's Witnesses!
What is the name of your church?
If you don't answer then you dey já pa bẹ that because all the churches are claiming they're Bible believing churches yet you people always emphasize on Bible believing churches.
So if you can't name your church then it means your church is not one ofthe Bible believing that's why you're hiding it!

I wonder why Courz is not forcing his pictures of FREEMASON and DEMONIC CULT on the Temple guy!
OK i get it. So far you can figure out any reason to stay away from the organization no wahala but once you can't then you're deluded.
Is that not hilarious?

Janosky:
The furious, DUBIOUS Courz made claims of Freemason & JWs, did Templee333 ever said he saw anything Masonic in our kingdom Halls or places of worship?

NEVER !
Courz is infinitely connected to delusion than reality.

Chai Janosky wan complicate issues for these storytellers, abeg don't say Courz's claims are FALSE perhaps the Temple guy will still merge his story with Courz's claims of freemason and demonic symbols nah!

Janosky:
It is bondage to your deluded mind because in your own Bible, the disciples had disagreements and disputes, not once not twice.
That matter would be settled when my brothers meet again, the OP won't tell you the matter was settled because he has a motive for throwing that tantrum.

Have you never been angered or annoyed by your pastor ,fellowship member or colleagues?

Cast the first stone,Hypocrite!.

The only question i'm waiting for an answer from all these complainants:

zoer:
Is there a better replacement for JW?

Note that this commentator has proved from the onset that he's not one of JWs:

zoer:
MaxinDhouse will come for you if only he won't derail the topic

So i left all of them in the quagmire of shame as they hypocritically ran away from that post like a plague yet expecting JWs to come arguing with storytellers!

ANTIlSLAM:
ÀBÚRÒ ÌYÀWÓ BABALÁWO, you're battle prepared but avoiding answering difficult questions by using Mat. 7:7 as escaping route abi

As if you answered the questions i asked you!

AntiChristian:
Of Cos the Bible is comparable only to fabricated Hadiths!
It has no reliable Isnad.

Good!
So if i view your Qu'ran as worthless and you also view my Bible the same way then there's no reason for you and i quoting or arguing with each other over what is written in those book. The only thing we can do to justify what is written in our books is a presentation of the result of what we have learned so far in those books. That's why i keep asking for a worthy group of the adherents of your Qu'ran so we can compare them to Jehovah's Witnesses.

Your usual argument that JWs are banned in some countries is childish since all sorts of people like gays, lesbians, bestialists, crossdressers and many more are accepted as members of the society in most countries.

So if a group is under attack just because of their beliefs which has no negative impact on the welfare of any society then something is wrong somewhere!

seunmind44:
thanks so much for your explanations sir. I really appreciate sir and God bless you sir.
Mynd44 you see now?

Please when next you have any question that has to do with Christ's followers don't hesitate to approach Jehovah's Witnesses.
I am Maximus one of them, you're welcome Sir!

johnw47:
lost false jw mad max

oh so very fearful avoider of truth
read the post yet again and see how i yet again gave scripture/proof for all three matters:
JEHOVAH being all knowing
JEHOVAH being all powerful
JEHOVAH being present everywhere

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

johnw47:
according to the Bible
the Christians JEHOVAH the God of the Bible is:
all knowing, all powerful, and is everywhere

according to false jw's, and you are all of the one line of thought
false jw's jehovah the god of watchtower
is not all knowing, is not all powerful, and is not everywhere

Perhaps you don't understand what i'm saying let me do exactly what i asked you:

Omniscient:
Omnipresent:
The God of the Bible proved that He is not Omniscient when He appeared to Abraham and after promising Abraham a child through Sarah He said He HEARD about the evil of Sodom and Gomorrah so He wants to go there and VERIFY if what He HEARD is true or not! Genesis 18:20-21

Based on this recorded event i believe that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob doesn't know all the things happening on this planet and He is not everywhere, only reports are taking to Him.

So can you address the same points using the scriptures to back it up practically as i just did?

seunmind44:
Abeg, where is it written that once God calls a man to his Vineyard, his wife automatically is called too and she becomesa Pastor?
Please is Pastoral Calling sexually transmitted?
I am an ordinary lawyer who just wants to understand the ways of ”God’s Calling” in his vineyard. Please educate me.

According to God's word we must marry only within the congregation of God {1Corinthians 7:39} so if i'm an ordained minister in the congregation my wife supposed to be a shining example to other women in the congregation, my wife supposed to receive the same honour i receive as a minister of Christ since we're both working together as ministers of Christ.
What is unscriptural is the titles attached to it, Jesus condemns the use of religious titles {Matthew 23:8-12} so no minister is to be addressed publicly with any title within or outside the congregation of God.
Within the congregation God gave us special gifts like:
Apostles
Prophets
Evangelizers
Shepherds
Teachers
But we are not to be addressed publicly with any of these gifts rather we are serving in those capacities. Then regarding women, all of them must remain silent in the congregation of God {1Timothy 2:12} in other to maintain the peace in the congregation women have no business in leading roles so whatever they don't understand they should ask their husbands who are taking the lead when they get home! 1Corinthians 14:33-35

The one and only reason why a woman can take the lead in worship is when there is no qualified (baptized) men in the congregation, in this case the woman must cover or shave her head as a sign that she's taking up a duty that's not to be handled by females {1Corinthians 11:4-6} in the congregation of the true God the angels don't acknowledge females as taking leadership {1Corinthians 11:10} that's why you will notice that female names are excluded during the writing of the history of God's people except when a female does something that's noteworthy their names will not be mentioned {Matthew 13:55} and Jesus himself still carry on that tradition as he appointed 12 Apostles (overseers) in his group without a single female!

So even if i'm a minister in the congregation of God my wife will only be respected as a minister too who is supporting her husband but she has no authority over others believers.

Today different false religious sects claiming denominations in Christendom are worshiping for material gain that's why they're making it a family business.

Thanks, God bless you and may you have PEACE!

johnw47:
oh most dum mad max, calling you: "lost false jw mad max"
isn't aggression and fierceness" it is the truth, you a
habitual liar is lost and is a false jw, oh duh



once again, oh so dum one, i have given scriptures as proof more than once, so funny
and they are straight forward, there is no need to explain them

here are the scriptures yet again oh dum dum:

the Christians God of the Bible knows everything:

1 John 3:20 For whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything

Psa 139:2  You know when I sit and when I rise;  
Psa 139:4  Before a word is on my tongue you, LORD, know it completely. 

Isaiah 42:9 Behold, the former things have come to pass, and new things I now declare; before they spring forth I tell you of them

Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’

Psalm 50:11 I know all the birds of the hills,

Hebrews 4:13 And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

Matthew 10:30 But even the hairs of your head are all numbered.


the Christians God of the Bible is everywhere:

Proverbs 15:3 The eyes of the Lord are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good.

Jeremiah 23:24 Can a man hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him? declares the Lord. Do I not fill heaven and earth? declares the Lord.

Psa 139:7  Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? 
Psa 139:8  If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.



the Christians God of the Bible is all powerful

Matthew 19:26
But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

Luke 1:37
For nothing will be impossible with God.”

Psalm 147:5
Great is our Lord, and abundant in power; his understanding is beyond measure.

Jeremiah 32:17
‘Ah, Lord God! It is you who have made the heavens and the earth by your great power and by your outstretched arm! Nothing is too hard for you.


now lost false jw mad max
let's see you do the twist on God's word

or present your own scriptures showing that JEHOVAH
is not all knowing and that JEHOVAH is not all powerful
and that JEHOVAH is not present everywhere

or both

you false jw's deny JEHOVAH like you deny the Lord Jesus Christ:

1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father

^^ and vice versa

Which of the titles are you addressing?

Omniscient
Omnipotent
Omnipresent

Just pick one then substantiate using the Bible, i don't follow random debates where you're not specific regarding what you want to say!

RepoMan007:
Money itself is a piece of paper considered superior to things it was created to help exchange. That convenience money brings has inpspired a strong love for it. People run after it directly(love of it) instead of taking the proper route to getting it. It wasn't created to be accumulated.

Mankind is evil that's why the paper given artificial value has been esteemed more than the lives of people around us.
In God's Kingdom this papers will not be required to assess the worth of a child of God when we get to Paradise! Luke 23:43

johnw47:
do you want to see the scriptures?

I have always given you the privilege to chat but your aggression and fierceness is what makes me ignore you.

So if you want to reason from the scriptures i'm ready.

You can pick any of those three qualities and use the scriptures to prove how your God meets up with it!

Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent are supposed to be qualities of the Almighty God but for a reason they are not presently.

WHY?

First of all JEHOVAH is HOLY (PURE) so all His thoughts are for good, after creating the first being Jehovah spent countless years with this first creature and they became so close as this child keep on learning from his father and he became just like his father in all respect {John 14:9} so God empowered this firstborn creature to create all other things {Colossians 1:15-16} but sadly not all intelligent creatures were appreciative like God's only begotten Son. Rebellion began and since Jehovah never create intelligent beings for rebellious acts He decided to allow time tell if their rebellion will bring them happiness after all they are supposed to be happy always as children of the happy God! 1Timothy 1:11
Of course rebellion will lead them to a disastrous end {Genesis 2:17} so Jehovah left Satan (the first rebellious angel) to go and do whatever pleases him. Satan first chose to get humans over to his side, sadly the first human pair fell for his bait and that's why Jehovah began distancing Himself from mankind in general only to relate with those who are FAITHFUL. So what will distancing Himself lead to? Well that means He will not SEE all the things they're doing so as not to sadden Him {Habakkuk 1:13} as a personality with PURE heart but He gave His loyal spirit sons the power to move to and fro the earth so that they can bring back to Him reports of what humans are doing to themselves {Genesis 18:20-21} these angels were given something like CT cameras all over their bodies so it's like they have eyes in all their wings {Ezekiel 10:12} they're the ones reporting everything to Him even though they're not permitted to interfere in whatever they see humans doing to their fellow humans. That's why many evil deeds are being carried out under the sun as if God is not aware. He only sends His eyes {angels with wings full of eyes) to go and bring Him reports.
But after Jesus was born all these angels with eyes are focused on Jesus' ministry because the time to bring an end to all evil has come and only those following Jesus are noticed by those angels, that's why Jesus could confidently say that anyone not following him are like walking corpse {Luke 9:60} because the eyes of Jehovah is fixed only on those working with Jesus so their names and the names of those who welcome them into their homes for discussion about God's word will be written by those angels {Malachi 3:16} then all those having nothing to do with this arrangement are doomed! Revelations 20:15

That is why the true God is not everywhere (Omnipresent) and not seeing everything (Omniscient) but what about Omnipotent?

AntiChristian:
Wetin be the context first?

Don't complicate issues for yourself, if you believe that Jesus said something like that then we can now talk about the context.
This is not Islam where you have your WEAK and STRONG Hadiths!

ANTIlSLAM:
Oniranu so you sha wan jakpa for the guy abi?

On the contrary nah all of unah dey já pa for JWs!
We have three principal candidates in Nigeria today contesting for presidency, do you think it makes any practical sense if one start questioning the other and demanding response but is hiding not to be questioned?

So nah unah dey run away from JWs we are battle prepared for any debate as long as you will also answer our questions!

oteneaaron:
The God that MaxInDHouse worships doesn't meet any of the above criteria, therefore he cannot be the infinite mind behind the whole cosmos.

Why are you so much interested in Maximus?

Billions out there are claiming their god is this and that but you left all of them only to keep trailing JWS.

Well let me enlighten you:

As an intelligent creature you have noticed that all other gods are useless, worthless and hopeless so you have no headache about them except JEHOVAH the God of Watchtower!

oteneaaron:
How can you call him Almighty when he is NOT -

1. Omnipotent - Having all power,

2. Omnipresent - Being everywhere at once or simultaneously, and

3. Omniscient - Having all knowledge both of the present, past and future.

Go and study the history of the God you worship you will not hear.

OK you don't even know the meaning of Almighty!
Ó mà ṣeo!

Well it simply means nothing as in nobody can stop Him, sorry that doesn't mean He has anything to do with you, as long as you're not one of His worshipers and you have nothing to do with His worshipers you are a walking corpse to Him {Luke 9:60] meaning you don't even exist at all to Him so what concerns Him with whatever you're thinking or whatever happens to you?

ANTIlSLAM:
ÀBÚRÒ ÌYÀWÓ BABALÁWO, sebi you can read and write shey? Address the issue Cour.z raised lobatan

To prove that i'm a witness of my own God who is not partial i've given all of you the same criteria:

MaxInDHouse:
Nah me go com dey follow storyteller argue?
I've opened floor for all of you to take up the challenge:
© I am MaxInDHouse one of JWs, so name your own religion.

© Explain how your religion is practicing what Jesus taught PRACTICALLY.

© I will question your beliefs as you question mine and each will be given time to explain.

© Each person will have to defend what his religion teaches with the Bible using PRACTICAL APPLICATION

In the absence of that ọmọ chew your pọ̀mọ́ while i chew mine nobody is a criminal here as long as there is freedom of speech, expression worship and association!

So whoever is ready among you should come forward!

Maynman:
Your deity keeps predicting that’s why he keeps regretting.
He’s not all powerful afterall.
Dumb Theist, you are just quoting random books with unknown Authors. How many theos are you worshipping?
I’m now your friend? yaldaboath worshipper

Chai so it's true that your God is speechless!

Please come and worship Jehovah the Almighty God!

Maynman:
your deity is “Almighty” with limited powers

So in a nutshell you are as dumb as your òrìsàs who has nothing to say about themselves shey? Psalms 115:3-8

No wonder only the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob could confidently Author a book (Bible) and using His active force to push it to all the nations! Act 1:8
It's OK my friend go and cool your head with a bottle of drink!

ANTIlSLAM:
My religion taught me not to engage babaláwo, onisegun or adahunse for healing and deliverance, we are following the teaching of Jesus Christ the healer.

So therefore ÀBÚRÒ ÌYÀWÓ BABALÁWO, address the issue Cour.z raised

In a nutshell neither you nor anyone else has gotten the liver to challenge JWs in debate over beliefs just as Jehovah promised us:

No weapon formed against you will have any success, And you will condemn any tongue that rises up against you in the judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of Jehovah, And their righteousness is from me,” declares Jehovah Isaiah 54:17

So enjoy your pọ̀mọ́ while i enjoy mine!

AntiChristian:
What's the context of that verse you erroneously quoted?

Before talking about erroneous quotation that is out of context, do you believe that Jesus said something like that?