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Maynman:
Then, We also have olokun and olosa
Your deity is also olokun and olosa?
Olorun means rulers of heaven
Oluwa simply means lord/master. Same way Baal also means Lord/Master!
Who created esu?

Olókun or Ọlọ́sà are demonic spirits as in fallen angels, they're part of the angels that God disallowed to mix with His loyal spirit sons so they returned to the earth and became gods in different places, some in trees, some in rocks and others in rivers. These demons attack people later demands for settlement which results in worship, they're not the true God!

Maynman:
But you said “olorun” is a title not a personal name.
Is olorun a deity now?
Esu is a Abrahamaic god?

They were named by their ignorant worshipers but in reality Ọlọ́run is a title not a name!

As for the God of Abraham we need to examine the traits of Èṣù and compare to the God of Abraham before we can be sure if Èṣù is the God Abraham worshiped or not!

Maynman:
We also have olokun and olosa
Your deity is also olokun and olosa?
Olorun means rulers of heaven
Oluwa simply means lord/master. Same way Baal also means Lord/Master!
Is esu also a title or personal name of deities?

All other deities whatever name are Ọlọ́runs there's the Almighty who is over all of them! Psalms 82:1
Olúwa means Owner.
Èṣù is not a title but name of a god and Àjàyí Crowder appropriately used this name for the spirit who turns out to be Satan the devil!

Maynman:
Ajayi crowther also rendered your god as OLORUN, how many deities do you worship?

Ọlọ́run and Olúwa both are titles not personal names of deities!
Ọlọ́run means someone who has authority in heaven just as Alayé means someone who has authority on earth. We all know that Alayé has grades. For instance i live in Lagos and in each town there are these people known as Alayé (traditional rulers) but if Sanwoolu is coming the authority given to these traditional rulers will subside until he leaves, when Buhari is coming Sanwoolu's authority will subside and when Joe Biden is coming Buhari's authority will subside, why because Alayé pass Alayé.
The same applies to Ọlọ́run! 1Corinthians 8:5-6

Maynman:
What’s gehenna?

When people die the Bible said they've become useless {Ecclesiastes 9:4-6} but the Almighty God has the power to bring bak His own friends {Job 14:13-15} Gehenna is the condition of those whose are not in the list of those to be remembered by the Almighty! Revelations 20:15
So while Sheoul/Hades/Hell simply means the general condition of all dead people Gehenna means a condition of no return. That's why Àjàyí Crowder used Ọ̀run Àpáàdì to describe it.
Ọ̀run means where the dead goes while Àpáàdì is the clay pot that's broken.
Why did Àjàyí Crowder used this description?
Clay is used in making vessels and after the maker has gotten the preferred shape he will heat it with fire which makes it stronger but once this vessel breaks it can't be melted again for any other use. So Àjàyí Crowder used this fitting description to translate Gehenna!

Skyview01:
In respect to religion,. Most kids are indoctrinated and brainwashed from childhood.
If your parents were moslems, you will most likely be a Moslem today.
What do you call taking a kid to a religious meetings three times a week? - I call it brainwashing and indoctrination.
Catch em young.

Definitely everyone has been BRAINWASHED then because there were lots of things infused in our heads by force from childhood that only few of us stick to it while others who realized that it's "BRAINWASHING" trashed it all and they are your choice of exemplary citizens today!

Maynman:
yaldaboath worshipper, does your kids Salvation rely on these baldmen ?

All the english you are speaking never occur to you naturally rather you were taught by some older persons (probably baldheaded older men) and certainly that's exactly what you will inculcate in the minds of your children.

You're scared of open-minded discussion with me shey?
I have told you the first time you approached me "we are the most intelligent students on this planet so there's no school of thought that can stand against us" Isaiah 54:17

Meanwhile Àjàyí Crowder got it right, Èṣù is Satan and his rendering of Gehenna as Ọ̀run Àpáàdì is the best, if you're ready for a open-minded discussion on those topics i'm always available here.
Cheers!

Skyview01:
In respect to religion,. Most kids are indoctrinated and brainwashed from childhood.
If your parents were moslems, you will most likely be a Moslem today.
What do you call taking a kid to a religious meetings three times a week? - I call it brainwashing and indoctrination.
Catch em young.

You stylishly evaded the question i asked you but i'll give you a benefit of doubt perhaps you don't know it's a QUESTION:

Did your children developed:
©Table manners?
©Respect?
©Honesty?
©Diligence?
©Morals?
©Moderation?
©Loyalty?
And many more on their own or they were taught and accepted it? Deuteronomy 6:6-7

Is this not the same as BRAINWASHING since you caught them young and infused all these in their brains with discipline (force)?

AntiChristian:
Even your Jesus of 1914 can't correct this blunder before he left again!
What a misnomer of catastrophic proportion!

This is where WISDOM comes in!

Jesus returned in 1914 according to a group of people and from what we all know Jesus was a teacher of righteousness which you also agree with so if the group lied regarding this teacher certainly it's by continuous assessment that we can know a tree doesn't grow and yield fruit swiftly it takes time! Matthew 7:16-18

So if over the years from 1914 till today JWs have successfully gathered people throughout the earth in millions {Micah 4:1} used what Jesus corrected to teach this millions {Micah 4:2} to erased politics, racism and military services from their hearts so that they've diverted their resources into the production of food and information materials, and finally all their members vowed never to raise weapons against anyone again {Micah 4:3} certainly Jesus has been working with them because that's exactly what the scriptures said he will achieve with his teachings!

Maynman:
Theist, read the post.
Have you now agreed that esu is not “same person” as satan?
Let’s talk about your paradise and where it’s located, shall we

First of all i want you to know that from the standpoint of atheists you and i are theists, secondly we need to pick a topic of discussion whether Èṣù (Satan) or Paradise depending on which interests you mostly.

Maynman:
Is that what you were able to read.
Are you educated?, your lecturers were PREACHING what they think they know?
Besides we are not talking about your bald heads in watchtower that your salvation depends on.
Does your kids salvation depend on these old men?

Whatever anyone believes as long as you and i have not come to an agreement remains what you or i think we know until we come to an agreement based on conviction.
Everything you've typed up there never occur to you naturally rather you were taught by some older persons (probably baldheaded older men) and certainly that's exactly what you will inculcate in the minds of your children. So both of us are the same in anyway you try to twist it that's why we need to calmly address each topic like intellectuals and stop mocking each other because on this you're not different from me!

Maynman:
Aiye Loja Orun Nile

What evidence do you have to back up this assertion or you just feel since that's what the worshipers of your Ọlọ́run believes so it's authentic and indisputable?

Congratulations!
Now you're making sense by PREACHING what you think you know!
So are you open to reasoning or you're just in for the cartoons as usual?
Because your Ọlọ́run should be able to answer certain questions in other for you to convince others that it's worth considering!

Skyview01:
Nobody put hands on any yeye plow, most were brainwashed by ignorant parents as kids and grew up in the fake religion.

Your opinion is flawed Sir!
Did your children developed:
©Table manners?
©Respect?
©Honesty?
©Diligence?
©Morals?
©Moderation?
©Loyalty?
And many more on their own or they were taught and accepted it? Deuteronomy 6:6-7
Please tell me why you BRAINWASHED them into accepting these things so that they feel repulsive whenever they break these rules!

Wilgrea7:
I gave a very simple example. I don't know what you mean by "only the true religion can do certain things".. that was not in the criteria.

If you don't know what true religion supposed to do for you as in it's benefits how will you know you were with the fake?

Wilgrea7:
What version of my response implied that the existence of my grandparents or great-grandparents were based on belief?

Did you know the parents of your great grandparents? What made you believe that they once existed? Well it's simply because you know the process by which they came and left that's the only evidence you have.

Wilgrea7:
The claim of humans improving is an obvious one. It has been happening since the beginning of the human race, up until the time the books of the bible were written, and beyond. It's a simple statement of clear observation. There's nothing to prove there.

Of course there is!
The Bible is the one and only book that says humans are superior to other creatures both verbally and practically.
No religious book forbids humans from making images of other creatures and bowing (worshiping) such images except the Bible!

cornelboy:
That guy dumb aswear

They thought by calling the GB names we are affected when Satan himself is against the GB so who are they that their insults should mean anything to us?

cornelboy:
O dára kí èyán ní òye o

Walahi talahi ó yée, ó kàn ń jiyàn nítorí ìtìjú ni!

SharonLoveth:
I don't think you understand what you are saying, you mean God should approved the use of herbs for treatment since he can't heal all diseases and sicknesses right?

You're the one who need to tell me what God created herbs for!

Wilgrea7:
Your fake money analogy is actually spot on. A little. You can have several fake currencies that look alike.
But the best way to know which one is real, is to test it out. There are machines that can identify fake money.
Similar thing applies to religion. Just about every religion or belief system has a story about how the world began.
Fortunately for us, we also have a good “machine" called the scientific method, that can objectively tell us how things began. To know which story is true, we'll need to compare them with what we've observed via the scientific method.

So the machine will detect the fake money and the victim will condemn all other money after the experience, only the true religion can do certain things so if you are not taught how real religion (money) works you will continue to condemn all religions (money) as fake!

Wilgrea7:
I don't know what on earth you mean by “things working out as they told me"
I know that the only way a human can exist, is if they were given birth to. And that process involves a man and a woman.
I am a person, and i was given birth to. My parents are people, so they must also have people who gave birth to them. Same goes for their parent's parents, and those people's parents as well.

So in a nutshell you only believe (trust) your parents that you have ancestors because people gets married and have children shey?
You believe them because you're seeing it happening usually even though you never saw your ancestors you believe what your parents told you!

Wilgrea7:
That's.... not how proof works. How does that even prove anything? The time your bible was written, humans were already dominating the earth. It's more of a statement about what the writers observed, rather than a prediction or prophecy. It doesn't prove anything.

You're trying to dictate how money should be tested yet you detests the only machine that can help you ~ evidence: only humans makes improvements!

Maynman:
Which of your gods? The one in the bible or the one in watchtower that your salvation depends on!
Common sense 69:6-9
I can also quote random books with UNKNOWN AUTHORS

Jehovah's Witnesses, my God will continue to bless you people for me o!

See human being running up and down on the forum where everyone is talking about their Gods only for him to argue with everyone yet who is his own god?
Wahala yaso!

God is truly calling people today through His son {Hebrews 1:1} before Christ God speaks to the Israelites through prophets but after the last prophet John the baptist God began calling everyone through His son Jesus Christ.

The problems most people have today is pride, Apostle Paul was chosen by God's only begotten Son to connect the people of other nations {Act 9:15} this means Jesus has no business with you at all {Matthew 15:24} he connected the Israelites through his twelve Apostles but other nations he connected through Paul! That's why he said it's this Apostles that will judge the Israelites {Matthew 19:28} WHY? Because most Jews acted as if what Jesus taught is senseless {John 6:61-66} but the Apostles stood firmly with him against all odds proving that it's only through Jesus' teachings can anyone gain everlasting life! John 6:67-68
So you must associate with the church of God under anointed ministers {Hebrews 10:24-25} who are chosen to take the lead in pure worship, failure to do so means you're not humble {Zephaniah 2:2-3} and it's only those who are humble in this arrangement that can see God's Kingdom {Hebrews 13:7,17} Jesus emphasized this when he said regarding his chosen twelve apostles:

"I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of the heavens, and whatever you may bind on earth will already be bound in the heavens, and whatever you may loosen on earth will already be loosened in the heavens.” Matthew 16:19
If the anointed brothers of Christ did not pray with you you're doomed because whatever they bind or loosen on earth is what the heavens (God) will bound or loosen in heaven!
According to Jesus whoever wants salvation must IDENTIFY the anointed brothers of Christ and assist them in the huge task ahead of them {Matthew 25:31-40} failure to acknowledge them means you're doomed {Matthew 25:41-46} that's why you need to know the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit because it's only through careful observation of this FRUIT that you can IDENTIFY them in the world that's filled with Satan's agents! Matthew 7:16-18

I'm typing this to let you know that you can't be a Christian without the gathering of the Holy Ones even Peter and the other Apostles asked Jesus after leaving everything they had to follow Jesus they asked:

“Look! We have left all things and followed you; what, then, will there be for us?” Matthew 19:27

Jesus replied:
“Truly I say to you, no one has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for my sake and for the sake of the good news who will not get 100 times more now in this period of time—houses, brothers, sisters, mothers, children, and fields, with persecutions—and in the coming system of things, everlasting life. Mark 10:29-30

So the only assurance that you can see God's Kingdom is the visible organization of God with whom you ASSEMBLE as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally {Isaiah 2:2-4} if you don't have this type of visible spiritual family then you're deceiving yourself!

Maynman:
Theist, how many theos do you worship?

Does the salvation of your kids depend on these bald heads?

At least you know a little about my God shey?

Oya let's hear about yours! Psalms 115:4-8

Maynman:
This tactics and calling someone another person’s name has been overused. Are you too old to device another one?

Talk about your own god!

oteneaaron:
What a confused COWARD.

Only you has said that :

1. Oteneaaron = Courz

2. Johnw47 = Emusan = OLAADEGBU

3. Maynman = Mindhacker

It is so unfortunate seeing how a grown man like you is under-utilizing his mind - the greatest asset you could ever have.

It is so sad.

Good!
Why not help all of them by teaching them how to utilize this greatest asset because most of them claims they believe in Jesus whom you said never existed?

oteneaaron:
Lol.
What a confused COWARD.
Only you has said that :
1. Oteneaaron = Courz
2. Johnw47 = Emusan = OLAADEGBU
3. Maynman = Mindhacker
It is so unfortunate seeing how a grown man like you is underutilizing his mind - the greatest asset you could ever have.
It is so sad.

Good!

So help Courz, Johnw47, Emusan and OLAADEGBU how to make use of this greatest asset because they're also claiming they believe in Jesus whom you said never existed!

oteneaaron:
MaxInDHouse, are you not supposed to use your time by preparing for your watchtower indoctrination study tomorrow?

Why don't you use this time to sit yo a55 down and research the history of your cult?

You mentioned me on the other thread - are you now stalking me?

Mr Courz!

AntiChristian:
Just the typical nonsense you typed back then!
If your Books can't be translated accurately despite the claim in 2 Tim 3:16 that "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" so wetin come remain?

Na to just use style divert attention!

That's why your Islam is all about bowing and kissing the black stone in Mecca!

Intelligent people know that when different persons are called forward to translate what someone said and their translations doesn't bring out the same meaning then the next step to take is put them all to test by practicing what they teach. The one that produced the expected result is the CORRECT translation!

But in the case where none could produce the expected result then it means none of them is correct.

JEHOVAH has declared through Isaiah and repeated it through Micah what His worshipers will be doing during the endtime! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Of all the religions on this planet only one made it: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

So their translation has been CORRECT all allow!

oteneaaron:
Are you now stalking me in Nairaland?
Aren't you supposed to be preparing for your watchtower indoctrination study tomorrow?

LIAR!
You've been bursted!

Courz:
Check out his opening. It is a song. When this particular JW is facing a fact I am showing him, he starts singing as a response. One time we were replying ourselves. When he didn't know what to say, he started singing, Ooh La La La, Let's go dancing. Another time, I asked him a question based on what Watchtower said, he started singing Kizz Daniel Buga song.

Readers, are you getting me now? Can you see how the JWs have proved me and Templee333 right by their responses? I hope you learnt something.

Thanks Mad MaxInDHouse.

On another thread this is what you typed:

oteneaaron:
Can the concept of the Holy spirit be explained in scientific terms?
Like can we measure and test the results or effect of the Holy spirit like in a lab experiment?
Is this possible?

oteneaaron:
Very important questions to ask.
I see that you are a student of ancient history.
Kudos man.

Can you prove me wrong that you're not the same person by addressing the question he raised?

oteneaaron:
Can the concept of the Holy spirit be explained in scientific terms?
Like can we measure and test the results or effect of the Holy spirit like in a lab experiment?
Is this possible?

oteneaaron:
Very important questions to ask.
I see that you are a student of ancient history.
Kudos man.

Why not ask Courz since you're denying it's not your second account?

AntiChristian:
I once asked you a question which you were unable to answer or you rather answered sheepishly as usual probably since there was no watchtower command for you to copy n paste. How did your version of Bible get their own translation?

1Samuel 13:1 - Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman

Evangelists, Pastors, Missionaries, and Bishops will not stop telling us that the Bible is the word of God. When we study the Bible carefully, we will discover that this is the greatest blasphemy of all time.

The book of 1Samuel 13:1 and its translation in versions of the Bible has caused a great embarrassment for Christian apologists:

1.NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years.

2. ENGLISH STANDARD VERSION
Saul lived for one year and then became king, and when he had reigned for two years over Israel.

3. KING JAMES BIBLE
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel

4. NET BIBLE
Saul was [thirty] years old when he began to reign; he ruled over Israel for [forty] years.

5. NEW AMERICAN STANDARD BIBLE 1977
Saul was forty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned thirty-two years over Israel.

6. JPS TANAKH 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.

7. AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION
Saul was forty years old when he began to reign; and when he had reigned two years over Israel

8. YOUNG'S LITERAL VERSION
A son of a year is Saul in his reigning, yea, two years he hath reigned over Israel

The bible is far from being the word of God and as David Cross puts it, ” Back when the bible was written, then edited, then rewritten, rewritten, then re-edited, then translated from dead languages, then re-translated, then edited, then rewritten, then given to kings for them to take their favorite parts, then rewritten, then re-rewritten, then translated again, then given to the pope for him to approve, then rewritten, then edited again, then re-re-re- re-rewritten again...all based on stories that were told orally 30 to 90 years after they happened, to people who did not how to write...so..."

Any seeker of truth should not find it difficult to disregard the bible being the complete word of God rather it is a book that contains the words of God, Historians, Poets, Kings, etc...

From the book, 'Truth for the Truth Seekers - (A total demystification of the Bible and Christianity (Revised Edition)
Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman

You've forgotten that i'm no longer a Muslim were you guys are fed with worthless stories of no practical benefits.
What concerns me with how a book was translated after i have seen it's benefits?

Ọmọ i'm not worshiping a foreign God because of the books rather i'm worshiping the God my ancestors never knew because i'm seeing the practical benefits of what this God does.

So if it's about stories of how books got to you go and ask those who brought your Qu'ran and how it was preached to your ancestors!

MindHacker9009:
So why are people leaving that organisation after they started making use of their own thought process?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE3zp9FiyiQ

The scriptures never said nobody will turn back, remember that after 400 years Israelites spent in Egypt as slaves they were freed at last some people's thoughts processed they should return to Egypt where they've been slaves! Numbers 14:4

So go and ask them it's their own thought process not mine!

ANTIlSLAM:
Shey angel of the church in Laodicea is one of the people abi ? Oya answer nau
This is the 7th times, Can you tell this house the reason why your occultist religion, JWs loves satanic symbols?

CHURCH means ASSEMBLY of WORSHIPERS not BUILDING!

ANTIlSLAM:
So according to Jesus Christ in Matthew 16:18 nko? And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Will build my church - This refers to the custom of building in Judea upon a rock or other very firm foundation. Read Matthew 7:24
ÀBÚRÒ ÌYÀWÓ BABALÁWO, so your own scriptural matter advice you to visit babaláwo, onisegun and adahunse for healing and deliverance abi?

No wahala nah on top Peter head he go build am!