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Maynman:
Your deity is only predicting, good!
And besides he is not almighty too.

MaxInDHouse:
Well none of your òrìsàs can predict what will happen to the entire inherited earth in the future just as JEHOVAH revealed to Jesus sent through an angel to deliver it to Apostle John! Revelations 1:1

I'll give you just one instance!

Jesus foretold that by the time he return to the earth as a mighty spirit King these are the events that we his true disciples living then will see:
©Jesus will restructure his group so the preaching and teaching campaign will kick off again but this time nothing can stop it so it will be throughout the earth! Revelations 6:1-2
That's why Jehovah's Witnesses have started preaching zealously and industriously teaching in all our neighbourhood throughout the earth!


©Countries will start to fight against countries and politicians against politicians so people will die in their millions. That's why the world war struck that year (1914) and ever since then wars has not cease throughout the earth despite all human organizations established to ensure peace! Revelations 6:3-4 compare to Matthew 24:7

©Artificial famine will follow leading to food shortages as the countries involving in wars are the largest producers of most raw materials used in production of food since they've diverted all their resources into weapons of war! Revelations 6:5-6 compare to Matthew 24:7

©Then due to loss of lives and lack of focus on people's welfare different diseases will emerge including pandemics leading many to their early grave! Revelations 6:7-8 compare to Luke 21:11

So we have much more than enough reasons to put faith in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who is the Author of the Bible.

But you too can present your òrìsàs perhaps any of them has something worthwhile to say.
Please don't allow the words of the God of the Bible to prove true regarding you and your gods:

Our God is in the heavens; He does whatever he pleases. Their idols are silver and gold, The work of human hands. A mouth they have, but they cannot speak; Eyes, but they cannot see; Ears they have, but they cannot hear; A nose, but they cannot smell; Hands they have, but they cannot feel; Feet, but they cannot walk; They make no sound with their throat. The people who make them will become just like them, As will all those who trust in them. Psalms 115:3-8

Please lets hear whatever you have to say about your òrìsàs.
Please! Please!! Please!!!
Prove to us that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was just blabbing! )

Maynman:
Are you ready to free yourself from watchtower bondage, or you are still worshipping theos, huh theist?
Because I’m not interested in mad people that their salvation depends on baldheads in watchtower!
There are various verses in your bible that says your deity knows your thoughts before you even think of it, you are confused!
And since your deity doesn’t know everything that means the mapped out plan is an assumption and can still later regret
He doesn’t know the end, he’s hoping his plans will work. The revelation book is simply as ASSUMPTION

yankeecoder:
If they could for the first time, why not another time ?

AntiChristian:
So all those who lived from 0AD - 1913 were largely unguided by your 1914 Jesus till he came? This is misguidance!

Wilgrea7:
I salute your attempt to try and justufy your God based on the criteria you provided.. but it doesn't seem to even come close.
Let's begin.
You tried to justify God sending bears to maul children for making fun of a baldy.. and your excuse was that the baldy was from God?
1. Nowhere is it stated that the children knew who Elisha was
2. Even if they did know, how does that make the actions of your God any more justified?
If i sent a bald messanger to you and some kids in your community made fun of him, does that justify me sending 2 lions to maul them?
Your excuse holds no water. If you want to talk about justice, and fairness, then explain how the verbal mockery the kids gave, is equal to being mauled by bears. Explain how that's just and fair.

Wilgrea7:
What? What part of “hardened his heart" gave you the impression that God expected him to reason? What part of “hardened his heart" gives you the impression that Pharoah still had the freedom to do the right thing.
Do i have to explain what the words mean to you, or are you just trying to be intellectually dishonest here??

Wilgrea7:
A terrible attempt at a rebuttal. The Egyptians that left with them did so after your God had unjustly punished them for the heart of Pharoah who he already hardened. The death of the first borns wasn't the first plague. It was the last What part of your justice and fairness compass tells you it's ok to punish people unjustly, with 10 terrible plagues, after you've hardened the heart of their leader to not accept the request you put before him.
Your argument of the Egyptians leaving with the Israelites holds absolutely no weight here.
Speaking of the 10th plague... What type of justice requires me to kill your child because you pissed me off? Since when did innocent children become a commodity by which we deliver justice? If a murderer is found guilty, do you sentence his son to life imprisonment, or worse, death.

Wilgrea7:
This is as nonsensical as me saying
1. There's no law in this place
2. I create a law which states that people who wear green hats should be stoned to death
3. Yay.. look at me... I'm just and fair
Anyone can see how illogical that sounds. But that's the exact excuse you're trying to give.
Nowhere is justice and fairness shown in the actions of stoning sabbath day workers, non-virgins, and disobedient children.

Wilgrea7:
That's bull and you know it. Nowhere in the bible did it say that God used his “power" to read the traits of Esau to know he'll despise his birthright. It's clearly stated that Esau was hated in the womb, before he had the ability to even choose to despise or accept his birthright. Also, you're trying to play a dangerous game with the notion of freewill here. And I'll give you a quick hint.. it doesn't work in favor of your argument. AT ALL.
If Esau had freewill, then your God is unjust for hating him for a crime he didn't even have the capacity to commit yet. And if Esau had no freewill, your God is also unjust for knowingly creating a person who he knew would do something he didn't like, and then hate him for something that was entirely out of his control.

Wilgrea7:
That's analogous to saying
1. I destroyed a house (something you've failed to prove as just)
2. I'm going to go on and destroy houses
3. Because i destoyed the first house, anyone else who stands in my way as i come to destroy their own house is worthy of being destroyed.
4. Yay... Look at me.. i am just.
It... Makes... No... Sense

Wilgrea7:
That's a terrible analogy as to how justice works.
If the price for stealing is 3 years in prison, and my dad steals, he gets 3 years in prison.
If i steal, I don't get 9 years.. i get 3. Your logic fails terribly here.
People choose to do crimes for a variety of reasons. Punishing someone more because their ancestors did something makes no sense. Every crime has it's punishment. The punishment is administered to the person who committed the crime. After the punishment is administered, the debt for the crime is paid. Punishing the child more goes against that basic principle, and hence, makes zero sense.

Wilgrea7:
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You didn't even offer a rebuttal here. You just restated my point like it was some high and mighty thing.
If i have 2 sons. One, kind and good, and the other, a thief. What sensible justice system would tell me to punish the good son for the crimes of the thief?
Your whole “millions of Adam's descendants are doomed" analogy is an appeal to emotion. One that breeds injustice.
In what universe is punishing the innocent because the guilty would be “doomed" considered fair? That's like saying a criminal who should seve 5 years should be set free, because you don't want him to be punished. And because of that, you grab an innocent man off the street and sentence him to 5 years. Even if the innocent man offered himself to pay for the crimes of the criminal. It is not just.

Wilgrea7:
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You've failed to show in any of these instances, how your God acted justly. If anything, you've further shown the injustice and unfairness in his actions.
Let me end this by adding your iconic smile emoji.

Maynman:
Your Bible was not written in “English” it was translated to English, so you expecting exact vocabularies like “omniscient” “omnipotent” is dumb.
Is “Esu” written in your bible? Yet you claim esu is same as satan, why don’t you also apply that logic?

What’s the definition of omniscient and omnipotent then you proceed with that.

And according to your logic since he doesn’t know all things, that means the revelation book is an assumption.

AntiChristian:
You need to first show us the evidence that your Jesus came back in 1914 to create Jehovah witness.
Don't wait for watchtower materials before you answer!

ANTIlSLAM:
ÀBÚRÒ ÌYÀWÓ BABALÁWO, Courz said you should address the Satanic nature of your Cult, etc lobatan. Why is this hard for you to address?

johnw47:
lost false jw mad max
you satan's mob often deny the lord Jesus Christ
and now you deny Father God who you call JEHOVAH, citing one verse that is obviously not translated well, because there are so many verses that say other
you say: the true God only knows about events reported to Him
Christians say God knows everything
you say: He is not present everywhere
Christians say God is everywhere
the Christians God of the Bible knows everything:
1 John 3:20 For whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything
Psa 139:2  You know when I sit and when I rise;  
Psa 139:4  Before a word is on my tongue you, LORD, know it completely. 
Isaiah 42:9 Behold, the former things have come to pass, and new things I now declare; before they spring forth I tell you of them
Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’
Hebrews 4:13 And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account
Psalm 50:11 I know all the birds of the hills,
Hebrews 4:12-13 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
Matthew 10:30 But even the hairs of your head are all numbered.
the Christians God of the Bible is everywhere:
Proverbs 15:3 The eyes of the Lord are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good.
Jeremiah 23:24 Can a man hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him? declares the Lord. Do I not fill heaven and earth? declares the Lord.
Psa 139:7  Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? 
Psa 139:8  If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.
the Christians God of the Bible is all powerful
ask for the scriptures

MindHacker9009:
Check again it says: beyond the rivers of Ethiopia

Zephaniah 3:10
My scattered people who live beyond the rivers of Ethiopia will come to present their offerings

Isaiah 18:7
"whose land is divided by rivers"
At that time gifts will be brought to the LORD Almighty from a people tall and smooth-skinned, from a people feared far and wide, an aggressive nation of strange speech, whose land is divided by rivers— the gifts will be brought to Mount Zion, the place of the Name of the LORD Almighty.

MindHacker9009:
God's organization you are referring to is man made and has nothing to do with: Mount Zion, the place of the Name of the LORD Almighty

MindHacker9009:
John has nothing to do with this

MindHacker9009:
Isaiah 18:1-7
Beyond the rivers of Ethiopia there is a land where the sound of wings is heard. From that land ambassadors come down the Nile in boats made of reeds. Go back home, swift messengers! Take a message back to your land divided by rivers, to your strong and powerful nation, to your tall and smooth-skinned people, who are feared all over the world.

BIBLESPEAKS:
Satan is a master of deception. He is a con-man, the greatest I,n the art. He is strongly opposed to anyone who finds the road to life. For the others who wallow in darkness, he makes sure they're as blind as a Carmel in a dust storm.
Satan has a strong hold on this world. Philosophies, attitudes, lifestyles and opinions are all under his control. Anyone who decides to worship God the right way will be swimming upstream, a difficult task, but possible with God help.
Many watchers have said that with the advent of the internet, the number of Jehovah's witnesses will greatly reduce. In their thinking, the internet will help in a large scale to expose secrets about the organization to it's members and many will leave in droves. This hasn't happened as they have envisaged. There has been a marked increase in the number of publishers with Nigeria's figure now above 330,000.
I'm 33, i was raised a witness and I've been an elder since 2015...there were times when I was greatly discouraged, when I saw conflict, envy and brazzen conduct among Christian brothers...those times I sat down alone and asked myself, "is

zoer:
Is there a better replacement for JW?

MindHacker9009:
New revelation. Who are God's people scattered beyond the rivers of Ethiopia? Zephaniah 3:10
My scattered people who live beyond the rivers of Ethiopia will come to present their offerings

yankeecoder:
From what you said, it means the angels have free will ? Looks like there are still chances of having more and more fallen angels by the day

Wilgrea7:
Justice?? You want to talk about Justice?? Ok Sir. Let's talk about justice.
Tell me how it is just that your God would send bears to maul children for simply making fun of a bald man

Wilgrea7:
Tell me how it is just that your God would harden the heart of Pharaoh, and then punish him for it.

Wilgrea7:
Tell me how it is just that the innocent children of Egypt had to die for the decision of Pharaoh, who God hardened his heart

Wilgrea7:
Tell me how it is just, that a person should be killed, by stoning, simply for working on a sunday, or not being a virgin at marriage

Wilgrea7:
Tell me how it is just, that your God would hate Esau from the womb, even before he was born

Wilgrea7:
Tell me how it is just, that your God would order his people to commit genocide

Wilgrea7:
Tell me how it is just to punish someone for the sins of their far ancestors

Wilgrea7:
Tell me, how in any conceivable way, it is just, that your God would kill an innocent person, who happened to also be himself, to save us from himself, for a crime we didn't even commit in the first place (I'm talking about the alleged sacrifice of Jesus)

Please, tell me again about this justice. I'm all ears.

olalere55:
GOD IS THE ONLY JUDGE AND HE ALONE KNOWS HIS TRUE WORSHIPERS . THE END SHALL TELL

zoer:
Is there a better replacement for JW?

Wilgrea7:
I'm sorry. What truth did you reveal to me? Because I seem to have missed it.

The last discussion i remember was me asking you how your God is Holy, based on your "good for all" or "fair for all" criteria, even though he did several things which i listed. And you failed to show me how, other than telling me that it was his plan to restore some sort of "sanity".

yankeecoder:
Please, tell us the origin of those lesser gods you mentioned first

yankeecoder:
NB: I believe there are higher powers but I refuse to believe, only one exists

Wilgrea7:
I asked him to tell me the standard so we can judge it together ... and I'm the one who's not open?? Seriously?

Wilgrea7:
Tell me the standard... Let's judge it together

yankeecoder:
NB: I believe there are higher powers but I refuse to believe, only one exists

Maynman:
Monolatrist you were the one asking me for Theos. Debating about which theos? The bible one?

Maynman:
When are you you gonna tell me your favorite cartoon character?
Or are you not a monolatrist?
You think calling someone an atheist is a flex huh deity worshipper?

Maynman:
Monolatrist, Its network glitch.
Always complaining!

AntiChristian:
Grandpa, i pity you more! Ending your life as a JW won't be cool!
And God need not separate us here on earth! That's for the Judgement day!
And we have love among our adherent even if it's still a WIP.
And if our Prophet was as bad as you claimed many Christians and non-Muslims won't have spoken well of him. Only people like you with sight but no insight will say such about him.
I am sorry for you too sir!

Wilgrea7:
1. Is your God subject to the criteria by which you define right and wrong? If no, then he cannot be seen as either right or wrong. If yes, proceed to point 2

Wilgrea7:
2. If right means things that are fair to all, and your God is subject to this definition, then whatever he does that is NOT fair to all, would be considered wrong. If you agree, proceed to point 3

3. Kindly explain how the following actions are “fair to all"
a) Choosing a group of people above all others as your chosen people
b) Sending bears to maul children for making fun of a baldy
c) Hardening Pharoah's heart, and inflicting terrible plagues on innocent Egyptians, who had nothing to do with Pharoah's decision, whose heart you also hardened
d) Commanding his chosen people to commit acts of genocide against others
e) Commanding his chosen people to stone several people to death, some of which include non-virgins, people who don't believe in him or worship another God, and people who work on the Sabbath
I look forward to your response