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Balerion:
Since you can't prove me wrong

If you're right you should have provided the proof not just picking up a verse out of context. The prophet Isaiah talked about will become a Wonderful Counselor, Might God, Everlasting Father and Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} so before running a conclusion on the real identity of this prophet you must present what the prophet has achieved today not just reading the book and claiming it's about a 6th century Arabian!

Tb222:
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it is not a coincidence that Jesus spoke more of Hell than of Heaven, jesus spoke of Hell more times in the bible more than he spoke of heaven, he described hell as a place of outer darkness, a place of eternal torment, where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.
He also spoke of the first ressurection and the second death ( eternal destruction in the lake of fire).
Death is the gateway to eternity, there is nothing like purgatory or eternal sleep, once you are born, you ill continue to exist for all of eternity, because you are made in God's image who himself is the father of eternity , the soul that sinneth it shall die, the death here does not mean bodily death,death here means eternal separation from God for God is Life.
Ecclesiastes 12 vs 7 " Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was, and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Jesus taught his listeners in PARABLES {Matthew 13:13, 34} that's why you must trash everything the Bible said about the condition of the dead before you can dwell on Jesus' words. For your information the Hebrew and Greek text translated Hell simply means Grave!

budaatum:
This is the same thing you've said about Muslims.
Thankfully, buda does not worship Gods since they seem to make you lose your senses and dislike your neighbours.
You should try reading the books.

You're not a worshiper of my God doesn't mean hatred or dislike it simply means there's a limit to what we can do together!

Balerion:
I see you don't have an answer, but it's alright.

It's alright jàre, if you're convinced that it's the guy from Saudi Arabia no wahala!

budaatum:
Go read what you wrote about Muslims and you'd find its no different to your description of your JW self below, which thankfully is not a description of my JW neighbour nor of the numerous JWs and Muslims I know.

Madam stop deceiving yourself!
JWs aren't worshiping the same God with you if you're not a JW!
That's the bitter TRUTH!

oteneaaron:
COWARD.
You have no idea of what TRUTH really means.
When you speak about TRUTH, which version do you speak about?
1914 version?, 1919 version?,1925 version, 1975 version or 2022 version?

The one and only TRUTH gathered millions from different races throughout the earth, infused the love for mankind in their hearts, made them divert all their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons from their hearts, and made them vowed never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:2-4
So i don't care whether it's 1914, 1919, 1925, 1975, 1990, 1999 or 2022, as long as they're able to achieve what God has promised surely they have the TRUTH! Matthew 7:16-18

oteneaaron:
While you're at it, I am still waiting for your real name and the name of your congregation.

Your Elders and Circuit Overseer need to see what you've been doing on Nairaland.

You go cry tire for this forum, why not tell people on this forum your real name and location before asking others?

Balerion:
Isiah 29:12
"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying read this, I pray thee: and he said am I not learned"
To the Christians, which unlearned prophet was a book delivered to?
The Hebrew version of the Bible (in Isiah 29:12) mentioned cave Xira pronounced chira similarly pronounced as Hira.
Prophet Muhammad (SAW) received his first revelation in cave Hira.

There are lots and lots of prophets who quotes the Bible out of context to authenticate themselves. So instead of allowing some Arabs to deceive you by cherry picking texts from the Bible why not ask for the BENEFIT of their religion?

budaatum:
What you don't see is how now you are a JW you are no different to what you were when you were a Muslim. Just that what you believe is different, your behaviour and attitude are the same as what you listed for Muslims. Or have you forgotten how many times you've told me JWs don't mix with non-JWs, despite my nice JW neighbour mixing with me?
You seem to think the sort of Muslim or JW you were and are is how every Muslim and JW is, as if you practice Islam (and JW) perfectly as is stated in the book, but see you not loving your neighbour enough to give the benefit of the doubt that you might have got it wrong.

You misquote people instead of listening to them carefully.
If you live next to me as a neighbour it's the same way i will treat you, what i'm saying is that no matter how nice we are to neighbours we can't engage you in our sacred service.
For instance when we are praying you can't join us unless you're ready to learn our ways of doing things and in your form of worship no JW will sit with you at all.
So if it's because of our stand that you're this furious then let me tell you that you've been thoroughly deceiving yourself because the same way your neighbours treat you is how i treat my neighbours here. They believe it's all well since we don't think of hurting anyone but then ask them to tell you sincerely what our God say about nonejws then you will know that Max has been your best friend telling you the truth from the heart as you're not in my neighbourhood where we only greet each other without going deep into sacred matters!

Tb222:
So many people were raised from the dead in the bible, so the fact that God cannot decide in his own infinite mercy and for his pwn glory decide to bring someone back is totally untrue.
1 Jairus daughter was brought back to life by Jesus Christ.
2 Eutychus who fell from a window while dozing when Paul was preaching was brought back to life.
3 Dorcas was brought back to life through the power of the Holy Ghost.
4 Elijah raised up the son of the kind hearted woman in the bible
Sometimes God allows us to have a glimpse of what is hereafter, and of judgement to come, his mercy is infinite and his purpose beyond comprehension. God gives us a window into eternity, and it is just to strengthen our faith.

None of them talked about anything in the land of the dead!
Do you know why?
Well God's word says the dead are conscious of nothing! Ecclesiastes 9:5

Which means there's nothing going on after death {Ecclesiastes 9:10} at death man has paid all for all his sins {Romans 6:7} because the wages of sin is death {Romans 6:23} so nothing else follows except a resurrection back to life where people who walked with God (RIGHTEOUS) and people who lived by conscience without knowing God (UNRIGHTEOUS) will be taught how to become perfect if they're willing! Act 24:15

Note that the RIGHTEOUS and UNRIGHTEOUS will be remembered but as for those who deliberately chose to be WICKED God will just forget them in their graves! Psalms 9:17

oteneaaron:
As a fundamental JW, it is you who have threatened people with death and destruction on Nairaland not me.

Are you saying all other religionists here aren't talking about fearful judgment against those who don't believe their God?
They're even saying God will roast you alive forever in fire!
So why so particular about the religion that says unbelievers will no longer exist since we all know that people use to die?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm now it's obvious that you're scared of the TRUTH!

AntiChristian:
At least Muhammad was able to salvage his country from idolatry!
Tell me what changed in Israel from Jesus's time and everywhere Christianity is preached?

So bowing to and kissing a stone is not idolatry shey?

AntiChristian:
Where is the Original manuscript of your Book?
Muslims don't follow Injeel nor Torah! They are to believe in them as Books revealed for the previous Prophets and their People!
Tell us the Watchtower version of the origin of your Bible!
Oya go to jw.org to copy and paste here!

Intelligence is not about how far but how well.

I'm not from Israel neither are you from Arabia so whatever makes an intelligent person think of imported religion then it must yield positive results among the adherents otherwise it's not worth it, after all our own people here also have what they believe before the foreigners brought their story books.
So instead of thinking or arguing about the origin of a foreign book why not meditate on the positive results the book brought to your people?

AntiChristian:
Granpa wey dey follow Jesus of 1914, e calm down!
No be Jah Witness we dey talk here!

There you go again!

Your Muhammad was 1,500 gone only to have a billion of followers who can't practice LOVE and PEACE among themselves despite the fact that their common phrase of greeting is SALAM (PEACE) but the 1914 Jesus has gone throughout the earth to gather more than 8 millions who have erased politics, racism and military services from their hearts {Isaiah 2:2-4} in fact they have LOVE among themselves that the world can testify to it! John 13:34-35

So what is the essence of your Muhammad?

AntiChristian:
Where's the Injeel? It's lost. Even the Christians agree that even the original manuscript of the New testament is lost. So which copy do we quote from?

As sane humans let's rephrase the highlighted:
"We are a group PRACTICING what was written in a LOST book"
So tell me how possible is that?

AntiChristian:
You're still blindfolded. That's why you tell lies for watchtower once in a while!

LIES can never yield positive results!

oteneaaron:
COWARD!
You cannot deny the fact that the day your activities on Nairaland is exposed, you will be reproved or at worst excommunicated by the CULT you hold so dear.
If I am lying, drop your real name and the name of your congregation.
Let's see what happens when your Elders and your Circuit Overseer see what you have been doing on Nairaland.
But you wouldn't even dare.
Why?
Because you are scared of men like you and that is exactly why I call you a COWARD.

OK you're after my personality and not even the evidence that Jesus really exist!

Well how do i know that you're not a terrorist seeking to kill those you find really difficult to confuse with your atheistic ideology?

People arguing here aren't just taking it cool so if you're so mean to the point of demanding for the real name and location of those with whom you argued about their faith then it simply means you're not supposed to be here.

Can you also drop your real name and location on this forum knowing fully well that some have been hurt due to your comments against their religion?

Well if you're not intelligent i am, it's not about Jehovah's Witnesses organization anymore you are desperate to harm me so even if after all your effort i still continue discussing on this forum you will go extra mile to hurt me.
Just calm down and learn you have nothing to gain from hurting people who spoke the truth to you!

Wilgrea7:
If you cannot prove it, then on what basis do you accept it as true?
Simply saying it's true because your book says so, does nothing in support of your claim.

The highlighted!
He didn't quote any book rather he said:

A lot of people have been to the edge of eternity, they were simply given a second chance and have come back to tell us of that place pf horror and terror, others also described the beauty and spendour with an atmosphere pf indescribable Peace.

So it's based on what some people told him and of course misinterpretation of what Bible really teach because God's word never said there is any form of life elsewhere apart from heaven and earth {Genesis 1:1} anyone who has lost the privilege of being in either of these two places has returned to non-existence where there's no life nor knowledge of any kind! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

AntiChristian:
God get mother!
God get father!
God get Son!
God get siblings!
God was born!
But God can't have sex!
But sons of God can have sex!
Catholics are idolatrous!

God has father, mother, son, siblings and the rest is a description of a God and according to what all of us know there are many as in MANY Gods!

The OP is a Catholic talking about his own God.
So present your own and leave honest hearted individuals to reason with their God's given brains!

AntiChristian:
I find it hard believing a merciful, forgiving and loving God would crucify His beloved son for any reason! Why does the Christian God have to kill his beloved son to forgive sin? Is it that He couldn't forgive sins without shedding blood cos i hear what God cannot do does not exist!
What kind of God parameter is the death of the innocent?

Heaven or Earth where did God create the first human couple?
Why so much suffering?
Why the injustice?
Why must people have to die?
Where are our dead loved ones?
What happens when we die?

These are life's most important questions any book or religion supposed to provide answers, if your religion fail to do this it simply means you're just one of the misinformed religionists going about arguing blindly.

That serpent in Genesis is a mighty spirit being he possessed a snake in other to speak with Eve because the first couple already have a sign God gave them whenever He is approaching their domain {Genesis 3:8} but if another spirit being should come there it will be difficult to introduce himself to them so in order to catch their attention Satan waited until Adam is not with his wife then Satan introduced REBELLION against God as a source of enlightenment and liberty from God!

oteneaaron:
You should be asking yourself the same question COWARD.

I never asked for people's REAL name or location nah!

AntiChristian:
Allah did not reveal books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and the rest 14 Books of Paul till revelations.

But why do you often quote what Matthew, Mark, Luke and John penned down instead of quoting from your own copy of Jesus' words as recorded in the so called injeel?

I was once blindfolded like you are too so stop deceiving yourself those Arabs are lying to you, there's no injeel anywhere they just want you to believe whatever they say about the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who doesn't have any business whatsoever with them!

johnw47:
fearfully paranoid and lost false jw mad max:
i didn't post about oteneaaron or courz beliefs or what they think about Christians
i posted about your never ending paranoia/lies.
i posted about habitual paranoia and lies from you who falsely claims to be one of God's people:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

You demonic Deeperlifer, can't you just stay on your lane without having to follow me to all threads? Even when it's about an atheist you're still after me. If you're not mad you should know by now that you have no business with the true God for always standing against the truth!

oteneaaron:
COWARD.
You talk alot, but with very little substance.
Drop your name and the name your congregation it is that simple.

What exactly is your business with my person?

johnw47:
Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool
fearfully paranoid and lost false jw mad max:
rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

Everything you've quoted including you means stupidity to oteneaaron (Courz)
He sees you and everyone who claims they're believers in Jesus as mentally deranged!

https://www.nairaland.com/7006256/jesus-real-myth-challenge-maxindhouse

Tb222:
It is undoubtedly true, we might wanna ask for or proof there os absolutely no need for proof, the Word of says it all, it is appointed yo man once to die and after that the judgement.
God loves you and have sent his ministers to go tell us according to what they have seen and heard, make sure you read your bible.
A lot of people have been to the edge of eternity, they were simply given a second chance and have come back to tell us of that place pf horror and terror, others also described the beauty and spendour with an atmosphere pf indescribable Peace.
For more revelations pf Gods plan for us, kindly visit the following channel on YouTube.
1: Randy Kay ministries
2: destiny image.
3:100 Huntley street.
4: 700 club.
5: ISN international.
May the Lord almighty bless you and enlarge your coast, amen.

I don't know your age but from your write-up it's obvious you're missing something here, because you quoted {Hebrews 9:27} the word of God the same God that cannot lie {Titus 1:2} then in the same write-up you contradicted God's word !

Please if God cannot lie then why will He say "it has been appointed for man to DIE ONCE" then give someone a SECOND CHANCE?

I love you because you're talking about what those liars told you but this is what Jesus the Son of God said about those who have died though he made the statement through an illustration:

Then he said, ‘That being so, I ask you, father, to send him to the house of my father, for I have five brothers, in order that he may give them a thorough witness so that they will not also come into this place of torment.’ But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to these.’ Then he said, ‘No, indeed, father Abraham, but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded if someone rises from the dead.’” Luke 16:27-31

Have you found anyone who is not a tithe or offering collector claiming he has been to the land of the dead?
Well the answer is NO!
Why? Because the fabricators of all these stories are ATHEISTS claiming believers {Matthew 7:15} they're using what you want to hear {2Timothy 4:3-4} to extort money from you after all it's when you die that you will know whether it's true or not but they would have gotten what they want here due to your own gullibility.
So my friend believe the word of God that cannot lie {Titus 1:2} when He said people only die ONCE before they can testify to His judgment. Hebrews 9:27
God bless you and may you have PEACE!

oteneaaron:
COWARD.
Remind me when you are ready to drop your real name and the name of your congregation.
Your Elders and your Circuit Overseer will be thrilled to see what you're doing on the streets of Nairaland.

You and i had no issues rather you're talking about a global organization that i found as God's own, so it's not about my personality but God's people.
That's the mistake most of you made back then as you took everything personal instead of seeing yourself like an instrument in the hands of God you felt it all about you, so when you later found yourself outside the camp you thought others will be as prideful as you are.
David fought Goliath not as David the son of Jesse but as an instrument in the hands of Jehovah.
So all members of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are cowards when you think about each one of us but as a people we are the bravest!

budaatum:
If you had Muslims in your neighbourhood and community and family you'd know better than to write this rubbish which many on here would claim is a description of Jehova Witnesses.

Well i was a Muslim!
So i perfectly understood what is going on.

oteneaaron:
Hey COWARD,
Seems you have missed me.
You have my attention now.
Congratulations.

Hi BRAVE ONE, i only remember your bravery taking PERSONAL what belongs to millions of people globally and ready to fight anyone who ridicule what millions across the globe cherish so much!

chieveboy:
Then why is he going to burn anyone in fire if he lost nothing?

This is why you need to IDENTIFY His real worshipers {Matthew 7:16-18} because the true God is not vengeful like imperfect humans. Unlike imperfect humans God only wants to remove those that will not play their part as he created them in His own image. Proverbs 2:20-22
Please it's misinformed religionists that's spreading this misconception about the true God, the idea of tormenting living creatures in fire is BARBARIC to Him! Jeremiah 7:31

Jesus of Nazareth used symbolic terms to teach his listeners how faithless people suffer emotional torture within while they're still alive as they can't just accept the fact that there are humans like themselves whose worship is approved by the true God!

In fact it's this same emotional torture that led Cain into killing his brother {Genesis 4:3-8} this is what God meant when He told Satan:

And I will put enmity between you (Satan) and the woman (God's loyal family) and between your offspring (humans who choose to be rebellious) and her offspring (obedient mankind). He will crush your head, and you will strike him in the heel. Genesis 3:15

Throughout all generations faithless humans have proved to be rebellious and they always wish to hurt anyone or any group of people who are loyally worshiping the true God! Matthew 10:22-25; John 15:19

So God has nothing to gain in tormenting living creatures in fire rather it's their own evil trait that's hurting them emotionally! John 8:44

budaatum:
First, I hope you are conscious of the fact that your statement above is you practising politics?
All religions are political to one extent or the other so I don't see your point nor where you dug out your imaginary 80% from. And there are many Muslims who know absolutely nothing about politics just as there are in all religions.

Now this is what i meant when i say:
"POLITICS"

Islam is all about how to carry everyone in their neighbourhood along with the policies of Islam, so if you're eating during their fasting period no Muslim will look at you with eyes of approval because they believe it's you that will disturb their prayers during the time their God opened his harms to bless their community.
When you as a female leaves your head uncovered no Muslim will approve your outlook as your hair is bringing a curse to their society, these are the things that moves all Muslims to support the move when fanatics among them decides to islamise your community.
So it's not that they're all into politics practically but the religion has been the major reason why they always fall for the bait when politicians use motivational speeches to woo them!

budaatum:
Did you fail to notice the op was asking about Islam and not individual Moslems?
There are many Christians who are science averse but we'd be ignorant to claim that aversion extends to Christianity even if historically true.

Moslems have no problem if not Islam itself!
The religion is 80% political hence there's no way a right thinking person can practice Islam without supporting POLITICS!

oteneaaron:
Interesting analysis.
There are other school of thoughts that makes this concept easier to understand.
Especially when you look at this story through the lens of symbology and through the lens of ancient history.

https://www.nairaland.com/7000070/jehovahs-witnesses-tied-freemasons

Mr oteneaaron (Courz) how market for your FREEMASON brouhaha?