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Steep:
Jehovah witness do not witness for Jesus. E.O.D.
the knowledge of God is not the carnal wisdom Jehovah witness organization teaches.

It's OK, forget about me and JWs try expatiate further on the topic of your thread:
Only Through Jesus Christ Can A Person Produce Righteousness
Convince your followers!

Where is oteneaaron?

Steep:
Jehovah witness organization do not witness for Jesus.

I will not like to derail your thread so prove that you're WITNESSING for Jesus by telling your friends the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what you said:
Only Through Jesus Christ Can A Person Produce Righteousness

I perfectly agree with this but i'm 100% sure that you only did a copy and paste stuff, you can't expatiate further!

So i'll just follow without interfering in what you are discussing with your friends unless you ask me to expatiate on the topic of discussion!

Wilgrea7:
Does holiness come from purity or IQ? Choose one.

Both works together, you can't prove someone has IQ whereas his thinking faculty is impure!

Wilgrea7:
Secondly.. if Holiness comes from purity.. then what does it mean to be pure? What are examples of impurities and how is your God free from them?

When we talk about what is pure it simply means what you can't find it's equivalent, it's value is of the highest degree.

Impurities are found everywhere!
When two person speaks the same language but failed to live peacefully that language is NOT PURE.
When a man and a woman had sexual relations and end up with STDs it means their relationship is NOT PURE!
When a pandemic occur due to a certain experiment it means such activity is NOT PURE!
I can go on and on to tell you so many impurities affecting our lives on this planet negatively and my God has proved that His is free from all these by setting standards that will promote sound health {Act 15:28-29} but since we live among people who don't believe in my God they infect everyone in our neighborhood including us.
In fact that's why my own God promised that He is coming to remove those ruining our planet home: EARTH! Revelations 11:18

oteneaaron:
At this present moment, you mind is under lock and key by the JW cult. Why do you think you are required to attend the watchtower study EVERY SUNDAY? It is called indoctrination. When you hear the same thing over and over again, it imprints on your subconscious mind and becomes your reality.
I never asked you to listen to my mind.
I have only asked you to study ancient history and learn about the origins of the dogmas you practice today.
What you have been looking for in sokoto, has always been inside your shokoto.

You're still saying what your own mind says against what my mind says!
The only way to prove that it's not your mind that's talking now is by presenting a group of people who has discovered this so called infinite universal mind or energy that is truly omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient?
Just a careful observation of such a group is enough to tell me that it's not what your own mind says that you're telling me now!

oteneaaron:
You don't have to worship anybody or anything outside yourself.
Your mind has every answer you seek.
Look within.

So in a nutshell if my own mind tells me "there's a God who is the Almighty" and that i "need to find and associate with my fellow believers to live happily like brothers and sisters" i should ignore my own mind and follow what yours say shey?

Wilgrea7:
Is God holy because he has/can do no evil, or is he holy because nothing he does can be considered evil?

The word HOLY connotes the completeness of purity!

My God is holy because no one can beat His IQ, when He speaks you can only reject His ideas out of stubbornness you can never find a better opinion than His own!

Maynman:
About yaldaboath?

You said my presentation of my God is WEAK. So give us a STRONG presentation of your own God nah!

AntiChristian:
Alhamdulillah for being a Muslim!

Worshiper of a god who can't separate it's true adherents from false.
A god represented by an Arabian whose lifestyle is nothing to write home about.
A god that failed to make love and peace reign in the midst of it's adherents.
I'm sorry for you!

Maynman:
weak

Why not present the strong?

oteneaaron:
There is actually a point zero, an infinite universal mind or energy that is truly omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient BUT it is not your Yahweh.

I really appreciate this!
Please who and where are the worshipers or witnesses of this your infinite universal mind or energy that is truly omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient?

So that everyone can LEARN about the energy through their activities?

shogsman:
What I got from your answer is that you don't have a single proof,all you have is faith

When people are in Nigeria only faithful ones can perceive that America is better than Nigeria without being there.
How?
By considering the positive effects in the lives of those who has lived there for years!
So even if we can't see America the positive effects in the lives of those who lives there will tell us much about what we can't see.

That is what FAITH means!

Wilgrea7:
©What even is religion?
©And what's the point of it?
©If a God exists, why is religion required as a means to connect with it?

© Religion is described as faithfulness to a given principle as in conscientiousness!

©From time immemorial mankind has been into religion in search of God because we all know that it's only by living according to certain principles that we can cohabit peacefully!

©We all know that knowledge is no man's personal property so by coming together we can find out from what each individual knows to be certain of who truly has the knowledge of God. So when Mr A, B and C present what they knew we can all reason together to find out whose concept is most beneficial to one and all.
Of course such benefitial idea has come from no other person but the PERFECT ONE as in the SUPREME BEING: GOD!

SharonLoveth:
It is only you and your fellow members that are Christians right? But your own Christian can engage traditional herbalist for healing isn't it?

YES! Because we are DOING THE WORKS OF FAITH as commanded by Christ Jesus!

SharonLoveth:
Damn! Jesus is the manufacturer of elements that you use to treat illness, means that even if your traditional herbalist ask you to take sacrifice to T-junction in order for your illnesses to be cured and solved, you won't hesitate because your Jesus is the elements of anything that will heal you right?

There you go again!
How long do you need to understand that Herbalists differ Spiritists?
Take any leave cook and eat differ from carrying anything to another place. Ordinarily carrying your Bible outside the house before praying is SPIRITISM if you don't know!

SharonLoveth:
James 5:14
And if one is ill, let him call The Elders of the church, and let them pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of Our Lord.[
Is like this Bible verse is not working for you, it has been working for me from the ages past

This place is talking about SPIRITUAL illness NOT PHYSICAL, that's why James concluded saying:

Is any sick among you ? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. James 5:14-15

So there's a big difference between PHYSICAL and SPIRITUAL illness, one who has stomach ulcer like Timothy was PHYSICALLY ill so praying is not the solution rather it's physical remedies like HERBS that's needed but SPIRITUAL illness is someone committed adultery or fornication such a person needs to approach elders for help and their prayers will open a way for him to be forgiven since Jesus said whatever they bind or loosen on earth has been bound or loosened in heaven! Matthew 16:19

God's never condemned the use of natural remedies madam!

Maynman:
That means revelation book and all prophecies in religionists books are scam, he is not the beginning talkless of knowing how the end will be. Also he’s not the most knowledgeable as he regularly regrets his actions like humans.

The book of Revelation only tells us what the true God planned to do and how Satan will try to carry all the inhabitants of the earth along with him into destruction. So it's like a road map God gave faithful humans in order to find their way through the artificial storm caused by Satan and his demons! Revelations 12:9-12

JEHOVAH knows when and how evil started and He knows how to end it without anything hindering Him {Isaiah 55:8-11} so when He claims being the beginning and the end all you need to ask is "what exactly does this statement mean?" Instead of jumping into a wrong conclusion!

Regrets doesn't diminish someone's knowledge it only shows that many were given the privilege they don't deserve while some are grateful for being part of God's coworkers in making this planet a PARADISE! 1Corinthians 3:9

So it's left to each person to decide where you will be! Galatians 6:5

The one true religion!
That's the pure language {Zephaniah 3:9} spoken by all the lost sheep of the house of Israel {Matthew 10:6} so whenever we hear someone speak or ask such a question {John 4:20} we gladly embrace them because we know that no matter where he/she comes from or the religion is he/she is practicing presently he/she belongs to the house of faith: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 43:10-12 compare to Hebrews 12:1

SharonLoveth:
We'll together help his spiritual life, he believes in traditional herbalist more than Jesus whom he claimed to be following his steps

Jesus healed miraculously because he is the manufacturer of both the human body and all the elements that makes up everything we use to treat illnesses {Colossians 1:15-16} so he can correct any abnormality affecting human health without picking up anything!
That doesn't gives you the impetus to condemn the use of medicines because Jesus never condemned the use of medicines!

But if you feel like proving yourself then present any real faith healing ministry where people should go for curing all manners of sickness without the use of medicines or shut up for good madam!

SharonLoveth:
Show the comment or qoute where we called building hospital as WORK OF FAITH? Can you re-post the comment or STOP LYING FOREVER

Do you agree that building hospitals never made the Catholics CHRISTIANS?

If you're arguing that Catholics are Christians and using the hospitals they build as evidence then you're only trying to hide behind a finger madam!

It's easy to quote God's word but explanation is only given to just one group!

The title of your thread is correct but the understanding is given to just one group Jehovah's Witnesses. Daniel 12:10
So i'll follow your thread without telling you the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what God's word says about the one and only means that humans can achieve the righteousness of God which is through Christ Jesus! Deuteronomy 18:15-19

Most people has been misinformed regarding the attributes of the true God. Many religions teaches that God is everywhere (Omnipresent) Knows all things (Omniscient) Can do all things (Omnipotent)
And lots of religionists often quote the Bible out of context to support their claim, but how true is this?
A careful reading, diligent study and thorough meditation on what is written in the Bible will surprise you!

cornelboy:
I understand that you don't take medications but tagging the use of herbs and drugs for people's treatment as sin is totally wrong.

You really exposed them!
Their understanding of the scriptures:
© Since Christ heal miraculously believers are not supposed to fall sick again and if they do it's faith healing they should go for not using medicines.
© All users of medicines are sinners because Christ never used medicines to cure anyone.

But the funny thing here is that this same people claimed that Catholics building hospitals are WORKS of FAITH yet in hospitals medicines are administered during treatment!

shogsman:
You didn't give a single comprehensive answer, I'm sorry but you just beat about the bush. Show me proof about your religion, pray for peace or even the obvious for this country or anyone and let's see it happen, afterall God can do all things right

You never asked a straightforward question so how come you expect a straightforward reply?

I'll fish out two seeming questions in the above post and respond accordingly!

To the first highlighted:
The true God promised that during the endtime He will dispense His Holy Spirit then honest hearted and sincere individuals from all the nations will form one big and happy family of PEACE LOVING WORSHIPERS, they will use what they found in the Bible to resolve all their racial disparities among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erase the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons in their midst, and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again, and as for military services they will say GOODBYE! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Jesus said by the FRUIT of each religion you will know where they belong {Matthew 7:16-18} so during the time when people throughout the world madly bury their heads in politics killing one another throughout the earth {Revelations 6:3-4} that's exactly the same time a group will suffice and love will be there watchword! John 13:34-35
That's the evidence God said honest hearted individuals will notice to grasp that there is one supernatural force doing this impossible thing! Mark 10:27

To the second highlighted:
God CAN DO ALL ANYTHING that goes along with His purpose {1John 5:14} but not all things humans demand just to test Him! Matthew 4:7; Deuteronomy 6:16
So don't think God can do everything you want simply to prove Himself, whether you believe or not His Mightiness is not reduced a bit!

cornelboy:
Seems you don't have something tangible to bring here
What have you been using to treat your illness? Abi you no dé fall sick?
Bye bye.

They love deceit!
There were many cases where the first century Jewish disciples of Christ have to go for natural solutions for their problems not always anticipating supernatural intervention.
Paul explained that all such supernatural gifts will cease! 1Corinthians 13:8
Timothy was sick seriously and Paul adviced him to use wine (not miracles) to treat his stomach ulcer! 1Timothy 5:23
All their pastors do go to hospitals!
The day Kumuyi's first wife died in the hospitals the man was at one of his deceitful crusades claiming he's curing others miraculously yet his own wife died in the hospital!
Abeg my brother it's better to allow them have their tea of deceit after all two persons can't be losers in the face of lies, if the listener fell for it at least the liar knows within himself that he's lying!

shogsman:
Nigeria is a highly religious country so is many countries around the world where the very discussion of an opinion that negates Their beliefs is seriously frowned upon.
Fortunately I live in a country where I have a little bit more freedom to question some of this religions.
What I've noticed from Many Nigerians living the west is that most of them drop Their religion or at least are more opened to questioning the matter of Faith as soon as they leave the country because it is safe to do so here in the west.
I was birthed into a Christian home and for security reasons I do believe there is a God. But I'm not religious and I don't go to church or anything like that.
So I'm in a position to question many things staunch believers can't dare to question.

First of all let me enlighten you on some things that most people don't understand:
You're never a Christian, from your expression it's clear that you're just like billions living today who don't know what Christianity means.

shogsman:
1-If you say there is a God and the supernatural is real why is a very religious country like Nigeria a shith0le

The TRUE God has no business with religious but honest hearted people, as for the condition of each country on this planet today it depends on the hearts condition of people inhabiting the place not God!

shogsman:
2-why is there no pictorial or physical evidence of the supernatural.

Supernaturals aren't flesh so whenever they appear they only project something for you to know they exist but really spirits are invisible. So don't think anybody know their real looks not even all the prophets or magicians people often hear about!

shogsman:
3- are your prayers selective and why do your prayers go unanswered. I.e why can't you just pray to be a billionaire and have a long life if it was that easy and there is someone that grant your wishes

This is why i said you're never a Christian cause if you are you should know that God doesn't grant wishes, that's not the purpose why He created the earth. You can't expect anything different from what the maker of a product told you about it.

So if you want an indisputable evidence of the existence of God then you have to follow what He said about himself, as in how you can know about Him not just dictating what He should do. Whether you believe in Him or not Millions across the globe are joyously worshiping Him in SPIRIT and TRUTH with indisputable proof that He is with their ORGANIZATION!

Mrquote:
Why doesn't the Bible tell us exactly when the Great Tribulation shall begin?

God wants only FAITHFUL ones not just anyone, during Noah's time God gave a specific date:

“My spirit will not tolerate man indefinitely, because he is only flesh. Accordingly, his days will amount to 120 years" Genesis 6:3

Noah's assignment was to build an ark and pick all the animals in pair but this faithful man wanted to rescue all his family and friends so God included the period Noah wishes to speak with them in the timing. Of course nobody took him serious except Noah's own sons and their wives who had no options.

So it was exactly 120 years from the day God first spoke with Noah that the rain began!

But this time around only faithful people are to be saved so God sent His son to teach us by using events that will lead to the great tribulations {Matthew 24:3-14} even Jesus was not given the date {Matthew 24:36} because his father knew how much Jesus loves humans {Proverbs 8:31} he will tell the faithful ones as he's always fond of the faithfuls! John 15:15 compare to John 16:6

So God doesn't want those who will pretend to be faithful due to knowing the date but those who truly love him no matter how long it takes! Habakkuk 2:3

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

There are many gods {1Corinthians 8:5} all of them can perform wonders because they're all mighty spirit beings but other gods can only IMITATE what they see the true God doing {Exodus 8:6-7} only the Almighty God can solve the problem that's affecting mankind! Exodus 8:8
If you're contemplating on supernatural gifts in humans know today that demons can always do exactly the same thing but there is one thing the demons (false gods) can't do they can only pretend by displaying their powers they can't solve the problem that comes from man's inability to cohabit peacefully!
When Jesus said:
"With man it's impossible but with God all things are possible" {Luke 18:27} he wasn't talking about supernatural gifts rather he was talking about how difficult it is for humans to live by his teachings because ordinarily Jesus' teachings is not palatable yet that's what those who want to live forever must practice!
Note what Jesus said earlier in that same chapter:
"when the Son of man arrives, will he really find this faith on the earth?” Luke 18:8
Jesus knew very well that if his closest confidants are finding it difficult to live by his teachings then how can they be zealous preachers and industrious teachers of his words?
His disciples were contemplating on how hard it is for imperfect humans to PRACTICE what Jesus is saying so they asked him:

“Who possibly can be saved?” Luke 18:26

That's what brought about Jesus' comments regarding POSSIBILITIES not miracles or supernatural GIFTS!

After his resurrection Jesus assured his friends that they shouldn't be scared since they're now fully convinced that he is the Christ as he was killed, buried and resurrected all they need now is to go out to preach and teach all what he commanded them with boldness {Matthew 28:18-20} but then this teachings aren't as easy as it sounds from Jesus' mouth so they need God's backing just as Jesus said earlier {Luke 8:27} that's why he promised them that the Active Force of God known as Holy Spirit will be sent to EMPOWER them in the mission:
"You will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.” Act 1:8

So it's the ability to PREACH and TEACH what Jesus commanded boldly that he was talking about not some supernatural gifts that demons can easily IMITATE to blindfold unfaithful people! Matthew 7:21-23

yourconstruct:
Yes, we are gods. You can make yourself immortal.
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When some wake up from their slumber with a preconceived thought they feel it's not to be disputed but then they come in contact with better understanding the next is bitterness.
How can someone keep arguing blindly that the creatures made in the image of the Creator Himself are not gods when we can all see the results of CREATIVITY man has done on this planet?
Isn't it the ability to create that made God's firstborn {Colossians 1:15-16} a God too? John 1:1

Wilgrea7:
Which one?
I highly doubt that.
Before you claim that a book was inspired by someone, or written by someone, you need to first prove the existence of said person. But I'm not sure i want to take this thread in that direction.
Also, what 80% did your God, as you claim answer? And please, I'm begging you.. don't start making this about peace and demilitarization and whatnot.. because I sincerely do not have the energy for that.

The one and only way to prove the existence of the invisible is EFFECT but when you don't want to deal with the fact that it's not all things you can see with ordinary eyes then it's OK!

No matter how much you try you can't format GOD from the hearts of humans because there is GOD, all you will continue to do here is arguing and arguing and arguing!

cornelboy:
Who created the medicinal herbs?
And why can't well use it to treat our illness?
Can't we use drugs too because they are made from herbs?

When they don't have anything tangible to say against the truth the next thing they will turn to is blind arguments!
God created everything for our use so if they're condemning the use of medicines let them come out openly because medicines are made from natural ingredients like HERBS and ROOTS.
SPIRITISM can only be practiced when someone contact spirits and the only way one can engage spirits is through a BLOOD covenant or incantations not just the use of natural HERBS.
I have studied pass that side so nobody can deceive me saying HERBS has anything to do with SPIRITISM!

In the Bible that title "GOD" is used based on the context so it's not exclusive to just one definition.
The Bible never said "Jesus IS God" but that the word (Jesus) WAS God! John 1:1
Man was created in the image of God according to the Bible {Genesis 1:26} this is why only humans have the knowledge to make life sweeter after subduing the earth by finding out all it's potentials. No wonder God himself said "you are Gods and you are all sons of the most high" Psalms 82:6
So we are all gods but the only difference between believers and unbelievers is that the former relied solely on what God says while the later wants to be independent from God yet they want to set standards for their fellowman!

Still following!