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Christianity Etc › Re: Questions I Have About The Existence Of A Creator God by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:20pm On Jul 25, 2022

TenQ:
A very simplistic view I must say.

Russia want a number of things from Ukraine
1. First option: annex Ukraine to Russia
2. Second Option: Make Ukraine a Puppet of Russia
3. Third option: Annex the whole of the Donbas Region, down to the sea port of Mariupol, down to the port at Odessa.
Effectively cutting off Ukraine from any of her access to the sea and making it a land locked nation. It means that Ukraine would have to depend on Russia for her imports and exports.

If you are the President of Ukraine, how would you discuss or negotiate with Putin (who is bent on having his way)
Will you support annexation of Ukraine to Russia to have peace?
Will you arrange how Ukraine can be a puppet of Russia for the sake of peace?
Will you opt to give Russia the Donbas Region AND all the sea ports of Ukraine and thus have to depend on Russia for international trades?
Over to you Maximus!

You don't need to demonize one politician just to make the other look like an angel.
I told you from the onset:

It's humans that are living in Ukraine and it's humans that's living in Russia

So if the ruler of Russia decides to extend his boarders in order to make Ukraine part of Russia there's no crime after all he's not making Ukrainians slaves to Russians rather he's trying to reclaim states that broke away from Russia. Then Ukrainians only need to surrender to the will of Russia their former country instead of planning a siege which has led to killings between the two countries.

If i live as a Nigerian or Cameroonian or Togolese the only difference is whatever name you give the country we will still live under the rulership of our fellow humans not God. So it's no big issue!

This same thing occurred in the first century. Jesus of Nazareth preached about God's Kingdom but Jews were anticipating a revolution against Rome. So everything Jesus taught this people fell on deaf ears because they're bent on been ruled by a fellow Jew and Jesus told them that God's kingdom has been taken away from them and given to another nation producing it's fruit {Matthew 21:43} so they shouldn't think of Romans as enemies but keep praying for God's Kingdom to come {Matthew 6:9-10} when everyone will gain freedom from human domination! Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9

Whether you claim to be a Nigerian or you're claiming Cameroonian politicians only need your support or effort to fight for their selfish ambitions, you will still remain a subject to either side there's no difference!

Christianity Etc › Re: What Benefits Has Islam Brought To Nigeria? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:37pm On Jul 25, 2022

ANTIlSLAM:
Bobo JW, Protect your religion nau

From what? cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: To All Christians!!! by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:34pm On Jul 25, 2022

RightChanneI:
Who?

The first century carpenter from Nazareth popularly known as "JESUS"

Christianity Etc › Re: What Benefits Has Islam Brought To Nigeria? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:32pm On Jul 25, 2022

ANTIlSLAM:
Oya now be a good boy

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Is GOD. by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:04pm On Jul 25, 2022

AntiChristian:
It's not comparable sir. The Prophet did Hijrah with his followers and later came back to his home town with Islam being the only religion!
JW would never be like that ever in any country!

Hijrah kọ́ Ejiro ni! cheesy

He was driven away from Mecca because he preached what they thought is lies, Simple! cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: What Benefits Has Islam Brought To Nigeria? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:01pm On Jul 25, 2022

ANTIlSLAM:
Bobo the liar be a good boy at least for once

Christianity Etc › Re: To All Christians!!! by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:48pm On Jul 25, 2022

“You must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. Let your Kingdom (government) come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also on earth" Matthew 6:9-10

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:44pm On Jul 25, 2022

ichuka:
God bless you too bro

Amen in Jesus name, just saw this yesterday since 2019 that you've posted it!

Christianity Etc › Re: What Benefits Has Islam Brought To Nigeria? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:38pm On Jul 25, 2022

ANTIlSLAM:
Bobo so you must lie to make JW great abi?

Keep on asking! Matthew 7:7 cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Is GOD. by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:38am On Jul 25, 2022

AntiChristian:
If you claim Muhammad lied but JWs also Preached, How is lying and preaching similar?
You are a liar sir! No be your first time.

The inhabitants of Mecca already have their form of worship before Muhammad came telling them strange things just as JWs also came telling people strange things.
Ọmọ from the viewpoints of the audience both Muhammad and JWs are LIARS.
That's what you need to know when you're preaching what people found strange! cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: What Benefits Has Islam Brought To Nigeria? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:35am On Jul 25, 2022

ANTIlSLAM:
Bobo oya tell us the name of your Roman Emperor abi ewo ni super story

Keep on asking! Matthew 7:7 wink

Christianity Etc › Re: Questions I Have About The Existence Of A Creator God by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:32am On Jul 25, 2022

TenQ:
Is Ukraine going to war against Russia politics?
How?
What would you have advised Ukraine to do in the face of Russian aggression (Don't forget that in 2014, Russia seized Cremia from Ukraine)?
Thanks

YES! It's humans that are living in Ukraine and it's humans that's living in Russia so if Ukrainians aren't going for war against their neighbours in Russia the first step to take is call their leader and demand that he speak with the leader of Russia so both men can come to agreement over whatever issue is between them {Matthew 5:25} whoever picks up weapons in support of either Putin or Zelenskyy is not a lover of peace.
That's what Jesus reproved Peter for when his enemies sent soldiers to arrest him, note that if Jesus has allowed his disciples to fight for him it would have become a war because Jesus already had thousands of disciples back then {John 12:19} so it's not just the twelve but they can't fight because that's not what he taught them to do in the face of opposition or rivalry! Matthew 5:43-48

So Ukrainians are also going for war from the standpoint of the military intelligence otherwise they only need to raise white flags throughout Ukraine as a sign of solidarity to whatever the commanding officer who is leading the advancing army wants!

May you have PEACE!

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Is GOD. by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:34am On Jul 25, 2022

AntiChristian:
It's not similar to your BAN sha! Stop telling lies sir!

In what way is it not similar nah? cheesy

Muhammad lied that there's only one God and the inhabitants of Mecca sent him packing because that's not true to them.
JWs also preached what Putin in Russia felt is a lie and banned JWs in Russia.
Please expatiate how it's not similar.
Olódo! cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: What Benefits Has Islam Brought To Nigeria? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:29am On Jul 25, 2022

ANTIlSLAM:
You lied that Roman Emperor initiated Catholicism and to tell us the name of that Emperor la problem. If it is true from your own end that Roman Emperor initiated Catholic Church, tell us the name of that Emperor Olodo Rabata

Ọmọ yín ò ṣe àgbàfọ̀, ó ń kó aṣọ wálé, ẹ rí ojú olè ẹ ò múu!
In what way exactly did the Catholic Church resemble what the first century Christians were practicing in the first century?
If that's what you called a lie then present the truth by telling this forum how the Catholics church began with lots of calved images {Exodus 20:1-2} bowing down to the images {Exodus 20:3-4} use of rosaries for repetition of phrases {Matthew 6:7} dresses and titles like father and Pope {Matthew 23:8-10} killing enemies and calling it the lord's battle {Matthew 5:43-48} setting up of groups of unmarried males and females as priests which are all Roman traditions having nothing to do with CHRISTIANITY or the old covenant!

Ọmọ you can only prove a lie by presenting the truth as long as you can't present the truth what i said remains valid!

So are you ready to tender an apology or you still want to continue with your cheap blackmail? cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: Questions I Have About The Existence Of A Creator God by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:16am On Jul 25, 2022

Wilgrea7:
This thing is going to be in-depth, so i decided to break it down into 2 parts.
Ok... I see what you're trying to do here. You're trying to define wisdom in the context of belief, and not just belief in any God, but your specific God. No need for the dodgy approach. Secondly, what do you mean by practical application which results in lasting benefits? Because if you go by those standards, a lot of innovators, believers and non-believers alike will fall into that category.

Whatever makes people spend millions of dollars which could be diverted into production of food and other things that can make life sweeter into building destructive weapons only to kill people is evidence of lack of wisdom. Only JWs have successfully achieved that! Isaiah 2:2-4

Wilgrea7:
This statement right here, physically hurts my brain. Like,.. sometimes I just wonder how people come up with these kind of ideas. What in Ra's name do you mean by research on science? How does acquiring scientific knowledge threaten a belief in God? Who on earth told you people, that scientific discoveries, or scientific knowledge, in any way, try to undermine God? How on earth does simple lacking a belief in something, undermine someone's thinking faculty?
I've said it a million times, and I will say it again. No one is removing the idea of a supreme being. If you've actually gone through this thread, or at least the first 2 posts here, you will see that I'm clearly talking about multiple concepts of what a creator COULD BE.

How much does a Bible cost?
How much does AK-47 cost?
Well the Bible is a weapon just as AK-47 is also a weapon. But the advantage of the Bible is that it kills the evil in the hearts of men and preserve them alive while the AK-47 kills the person living you with dead neighbours.
Who brought the Bible? God!
Who invented AK-47? Scientists!
But if the producers of AK-47 has listened to God's word PEACE would have been their gain and they wouldn't have invented what is of no lasting benefits! Isaiah 48:17-18

Wilgrea7:
YOU... are the ones who say that if a creator exists, it has to be a certain way. And when I ask for proof, you go ahead and draw me a perfect circle.

There is a big difference between saying,

1) A person built this robot
2) The person that built this robot is a Man, named Jeff, with Light skin, blue eyes, A honda and 3 children

All throughout this thread, I've not been arguing for whether or not a supreme being exists. I've led a lot of my statements with the phrase "A God, if it exists..." because I'm not trying to prove, or disprove the existence of God. How many times do I have to say it?

You need to know first the purpose of a CREATOR before you can grasp what He can or cannot do. If you CREATE something surely you will cherish what you created because that's what qualifies you to be rightly called a "Creator" so arguing blindly that it's not the duty of the creator to PROTECT His own work is insincerity on your part Sir! wink

Wilgrea7:
You on the other hand, in this debate, are not just saying that a God exists, you're also claiming that it has certain characteristics, like It wants to/is obligated to rule us, to bring peace, protect us, and other things like that. I gave you 5 different examples, to show why the existence of a supreme being, does not entitle you to anything.
You made reference to people electing leaders, and I showed you why it's a terrible analogy. I showed you the clear difference between a leader who is elected from among his people, and a God, who created people.

Election or Selection comes to mind when we need the service of a leader yet the one you're voting is just a mortal man with brains like you so in what way does he/she qualifies to direct the step or set standards regarding right and wrong for millions of people?
That's the vacuum you're creating when you question the existence of a SUPREME BEING! wink

Wilgrea7:
And what did you do then, you went ahead to show me why your biased concept of a God, which is based on nothing more than the bible, is the correct one. You forget one very important fact. When arguing for what concept of a God is correct, religious books like the Bible, Quran, Vedas and the rest CANNOT serve as proof. Why, because they already push a certain concept already.
You don't work solve a problem backwards. You don't provide the answer and try to find your way back to the question. You work your way FROM THE QUESTION, TO A POSSIBLE ANSWER.

What has any of those books said and where is the evidence that their concept is working out BENEFITS?
Come on, the Bible has produced a global family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} during the time that most people are going for weapons to destroy lives! Revelations 6:3-4
So what else do you need to prove that only the Bible is the true word from our Creator who wants mankind to cohabit peacefully? Psalms 46:9
Ọmọ sorry you no get excuse! Romans 1:20

Wilgrea7:
Just as you've used your bible to try and prove the concept of a God you believe in, other books, and religions, could be used to do the same, for different concepts of God.
You keep talking about peace, and that the correct concept or whatever, has to be the one that promotes peace. I have told you several times. That to say that the right concept of a God, HAS TO BE A CERTAIN WAY, is to already hold preconceived beliefs on what a God should be. AND THAT IS NOT AN OBJECTIVE WAY TO APPROACH THINGS.

What you fail to understand is that Gods are to be worshiped and people do try to convince others to join in the worship of God so there must be a reason why a God should be expected to be worshiped otherwise anything could be a god to anyone and that's what brings us back to the staring point: how do we cohabit peacefully if each person just choose his/her own god and nothing to agree upon. undecided

You haven't present a group of people who have successfully achieved peace and taken it to other places. In the year 2017 Vladimir Putin declared the JWs an extremist group. Most advanced nations were complaining because they know JWs in their communities are the most peaceful people while some Russians were happy that the group calling them false religions are banned. But today most Russians are crying because their sons and daughters are killed on daily basis in Ukraine.
It's now obvious that Vladimir Putin called out this group because they're PREACHING against hatred for neighbours whereas all others do claim they're peacelovers too. So Putin wouldn't have any issue with Buddhists or Jainists because they're not preaching to remove weapons from hearts of Russians but that's exactly what JWs are doing. Please who is truly working towards PEACE?

Wilgrea7:
You accused me of "building a wall around myself" in regards to things relating to a supreme being, but in reality, you're the one doing that. I've said it a million times that if you want to approach the concept of a God OBJECTIVELY, then you need to drop ALL preconceived notions on what you think a God should be, or do.

Just as you should drop the notion that an electric company can fix electrical faults shey?
Stop deceiving yourself!

Wilgrea7:
But no. You keep running to the bible to reinforce your preconceived, notions. You keep making reference to things like peace, politics and wars across other religions to reinforce the notions you already have. Irrelevant topics to what the concept of a God could be. And you accuse ME of building the wall around myself?

Tell me what you know about GOD if you're not hiding in a box because no reasonable individual can come up with the idea that a God has no specific duty towards worshipers yet it's expected that people in mass should worship that god, ọmọ don't you think before typing? cheesy

Wilgrea7:
If I survive this migraine, I'll be grateful to whatever being exists out there. Wars are started for a large number of reasons. For you to throw the word "politics" out there, as the SOLE REASON simply shows that you don't know nearly enough about why wars start. Sure, political wars happen. But religious wars also happen.
My man, if you don't know the reasons for the invasion/war, just say so. Saying something as arbitrary and vague as "what is right and wrong" is not doing much to show you actually have an idea about why things are happening the way they are. That being said, I'm not denying that it is a political war.

I was once a soldier as in military intelligence so i can prove to you that the only reason why people go to war is POLITICS!
If two persons have issues they can end it either by fighting to kill each other or settle it peacefully. The only reason why people pick up weapons as in a multitude against another multitude is when their two leaders disagree on who is greater as in SUPREME so stop deceiving yourself. Religion is all about your idea of God so there's no way that could lead to mass killings if two captains aren't involved in the battle for SUPREMACY!
I choose to be a JW, you choose to be an atheist, the other guy choose to be a Muslim and yet another choose to be a Traditionalist, all these can never lead to war if someone somewhere isn't planning to RULE over others.
Ọmọ leave that side because it's my field of specialization!

Wilgrea7:
Secondly, saying they should've used "God's word" is going back to the preconceived notions I was talking about. You have no idea how circular the statement sounds.
Honestly, I'm tired of saying the same thing over and over again. I tried to make this explanation as comprehensive as possible. I'm really tired of this meaningless back and forth, especially if you want to keep bringing up the same points and going round in circles. If you're ready to approach things objectively, you let me know. Adios.

I have proved to you what i'm saying by giving you a perfect example of a God and His worshipers so present a living proof of what you're saying if truly you're not just deceiving yourself!

Christianity Etc › Re: Questions I Have About The Existence Of A Creator God by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:11am On Jul 25, 2022

Wilgrea7:
Ok.. I will do my best one last time, to explain my points in as much detail as possible, because it seems you've been completely missing everything I've been saying, since the beginning.
Let's begin.
Thanks
When did i "swallow" any illustration? I showed you why the illustration of the electric company does NOT work. Believers, A.K.A followers of a certain faith, cannot be compared to electricians. Electricians, or the electric company, solves problems for people THAT DON'T HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE of how the electrical circuits work.
You said believers, that is, people who follow a certain faith, are somehow comparable to the electrical company in respect to peace. And I said that, is wrong. Because matters relating to peace, are things that are known to humans IRRESPECTIVE OF RELIGION/BELIEF SYSTEM. Peace, comes from mutual understanding, and tolerance. Not any particular belief system. I further said that the attributes needed for peace are things that exist in humans on an individual level, and that you don't need any religion to establish it.
And what did you do? You went ahead to change the meaning of believers from followers of a certain faith, to simply people who trust one another. That's one of the worst word gymnastics I've seen someone pull in a while. And then you claimed that people need to trust each other. Like I've been saying anything contrary to that.
And when I called you out on your mental gymnastics, you went ahead to ignore the entire part and focus on the part of the supreme being. And you dare accuse ME of fabrication??
You kept making mentions to how JWs are peaceful and what not, because of your belief. But if you actually spent your time searching for other peaceful faiths, like buddhism, and Jainism, you would see that you have no exclusive claim to peace. There are christians who are not JWs, who live peaceful lives. Some muslims too.. and some hindus, and yes, even some atheists. Because Peace, is, has been, and always will be based on individuals, not on any specific belief system or religion

I will take you back to the illustration of electric company:
Note that no company can perform their duty if the inhabitants don't welcome their idea so the JWs aren't welcomed in any society that's why we only speak with individuals in order to make each of them a member of the group.
And you err again saying Buddhism or Jainism are peaceful. Well that's where you failed woefully because real peacemakers don't wait for people to search but they are the ones who makes sacrifices to go in search of lovers of peace. So your Buddhism and Jainism case is dead on arrival as they're not going from house to house and door to door in search of lovers of peace!

Wilgrea7:
Either you have not studied history, or you're simply being insincere. Mankind throughout history has worshiped God/Gods for a large number of reasons. Wealth, Health, Victory in war when they go to KILL their enemies, Favor, POWER, peace. The list foes on and on.
To say that mankind worshiped deities SOLELY for the purpose of peace and protection, and NOTHING ELSE, is simply being insincere. Before you accuse me of being in denial, read up on actual history. Or else don't make false accusations.

There you go again showing how unintelligent you are!
If you have direct access to a ruler surely what you will ask for will be personal, that's why each person differs in what they look for in a deity but when it comes to collectivity people in general only ask for peace and security from a deity just as Nigerians as a whole will ask for peace and security from their ruler. It's only when you have direct access to Buhari that you can speak about personal needs!

Wilgrea7:
I've not encountered this "indisputable logical reasoning" you speak of. You've been making circular arguments since morning. And in case you don't know, circular arguments are the farthest thing from logical.
Congratulations

Indisputable is what you can't present another concept or idea that's working out BENEFITS like it. For instance Buddhism and Jainism is restricted to a particular race because the ideas can't work elsewhere that's why those practicing it can't confidently promote it elsewhere apart from few geographical locations. But as for the TRUTH my guy Jehovah's Witnesses have successfully gathered millions throughout the earth just as Jesus Christ foretold! Act 1:8

So stop deceiving yourself! cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: What Benefits Has Islam Brought To Nigeria? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:48am On Jul 25, 2022

ANTIlSLAM:
Shey you know the meaning of BLACKMAIL? You lied, I caught you and exposed all your lies but now you're tagging it as blackmailing olodo rabata
Bobo finish what you started!

That's what you don't know! cheesy

Whatever you call a LIE from your end may mean TRUTH to someone else so to establish someone as a LIAR you need intelligence as in calmly pushing the person politely until he/she reach the dead end where there's no place to run or hide but turn back and surrender.
Ordinarily saying someone lied when you can't establish the truth makes you a clown. cheesy

That's what intelligence call cheap blackmail, you arguing with another person then saying the other person is lying, how to you established that? cheesy

Ọmọ just tender an apology and i'll continue chatting with you regarding what you want to know! wink

Christianity Etc › Re: Christianity And Intolerance by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:34am On Jul 25, 2022

Lukuluku69:
I know your brain has been thoroughly washed for anything meaningful to come out of it. That I know but we continue to engage you lots perchance you turn to the true worship of God. You claimed to follow Jesus commandments and I ask you: the command to sell garments and buy swords. Do you guys follow that one too? For your info, Peter was already carrying that swords before Jesus asked them to go buy one for TWO SWORDS materializes immediately. Dunce that you are, you claimed the Sword is spiritual and I ask again, was it a spiritual sword that was used to loop off that Roman Soldier ear? Dundee, the disciples couldn't have fight because they all fled and forsook him when he was arrested abi that part no dey your cult's version of the Bible? I wonder which Army you gather Intelligence for, or you think working as a Cleaner in the Intelligence Section confers on you an Intelligence Officer? Does your last submission means you have not read about Jesus Dad a.k.a Jehovah commandments to the Israelites on the numerous wars they waged? How Jehovah partook in sharing war spoils? How Jehovah ask the Israelites to kill and burn? The fact your claimed that you are once a Muslim doesn't mean anything you this Retard, there are thousands of people who left other faith for Islam. So, stop typing that here on Nairaland. Keep it for your Kingdom hall cruise.

Ọmọ i won't give you the pleasure of exchange of insults so if you're angry just calm down and learn you're not too old for knowledge!

Jesus and his disciples were Israelites and you can read it in the Bible where just one man Samson fought and killed a thousand of his enemies with just a bone in his hand {Judges 15:15-16} and we found out that it was God's Holy Spirit that empowered Samson back then. When Jesus was with 11 men one of them cut off the ear of an enemy only for Jesus to heal the ear with the power of same Holy Spirit. If you're sincere to yourself do you need anyone to tell you that what Jesus used to heal the wounded thug can't be used to kill all the enemies or cripple them?

My friend, Israelites do use swords before Jesus told his disciples not to kill enemies but pray for them {Matthew 5:43-48} so it's obvious that he wasn't referring to physical swords otherwise two can't be enough for eleven men to do what exactly? cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: What Benefits Has Islam Brought To Nigeria? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:18am On Jul 25, 2022

ANTIlSLAM:
You this liar, see how I exposed you.. Shey your leaders in JW gather you inside kingdom Hall and teach you how to lie to defend your religion abi. All these below questions are based on your lies after exposing you

Ọmọ we are use to emotional blackmail {Matthew 5:11-12} so it can't work with true servants of God because just a sentence from our mouth will render all your false accusation harmless {Isaiah 54:17} that's why i demand an apology but if you're not ready then keep your questions after all if market no dey for you millions out there dey buy am witiwiti as they're now engaging us in Bible study after seeing that only JWs have successfully achieved what no religion can achieve despite all the allegations leveled against this group we remain the one and only organization standing tall above all others due to our uniqueness! Matthew 5:14-16

You fit mention the name of your church?
Never! Because your church is just one of those little little hills around {Isaiah 2:2} so even though you're millions much more than JWs what you people teach is not yielding anything positive among you so you're ashame to mention the name of another worthless sect out of thousands out there claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines when all of you can see JWs shining brightly with a unique form of teaching that's Known globally! Daniel 12:3

So keep on panting in your rage there's nothing you can do if you don't apologize i will just continue to make you a laughing stock!

Christianity Etc › Re: Questions I Have About The Existence Of A Creator God by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:56am On Jul 25, 2022

Wilgrea7:
I literally just showed you why you're engaging in circular reasoning in regards to the concept of a God.. and you went ahead to produce a reply that engages in even more circular reasoning??
Man... You know what?... I'm sorry. You win this one

My guy you're lying to your own soul!

I used the illustration of electric company and you swallowed it because it goes along with your atheistic ideology but then you want to build a wall around yourself when it comes to PRACTICAL APPLICATION with regards to SUPREME BEING. How can you deny the one and only reason mankind throughout history have been worshiping God/Gods?

The one and only reason why people worship God is for protection and peace so the idea that the supreme being has no duty towards the adherents is your own fabrication just to continue living in denial of facts.

I know what is your problem, you've decided to erase the idea of God completely in your heart so meeting a believer who now gives you indisputable logical reasoning regarding the topic makes you feel really bad.

Ọmọ i once dabble into atheism but then i realized that there's no wisdom in atheism.

KNOWLEDGE is the accumulation of useful information, i want you to know today that all the living creatures today have a measurable amount of that.

But as for WISDOM only true worshipers of God can possess it because it's the practical application of accumulated information which results in lasting benefits.

Of course atheism will give you knowledge as they're making research on science and they want to limit your thinking faculty only to things you can see but then wisdom is the only key to enjoy what science and technology can produce to the fullest. That becomes extremely impossible when you and your cohorts decided to remove the idea of the SUPREME BEING.

Russia and Ukraine are at war today and it's gradually becoming the third world war, atheists often blame religion for wars but it's becoming more and more obvious now that it's not religion but POLITICS just as God's word (Bible) taught us that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (politics) will lead mankind to a disastrous end! Genesis 2:17

Vladimir Putin and Volodymyr Zelenskyy both had a disagreement on what is right or wrong and instead of using God's word to settle the matter they both turned to science and technology using different destructive devices against one another. That is what Jehovah's Witnesses have been preaching for over 100 years now from 1919-2019 when COVID-19 put a break to it and now the war has began.
Don't ever think peace can be achieved by human reasoning because it's impossible but if you want to deny that please present an organization that has succeeded in removing the use of weapons in settling disputes from the hearts of their members apart from Jehovah's Witnesses, the one and only group of true believers!

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Is GOD. by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:24am On Jul 25, 2022

AdventHero:
There is no greater authority for building a solid belief in the mystery of the Godhead than the Bible. That Jesus is God is a great mystery that can not be explained away by human logic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRI09PM-lv8 https://fb.watch/era6N-j1V6/

The highlighted is what God's word referred to as the HARLOT @ Revelations 17:5
There shouldn't be any mystery in explanation of faith because when your faith can't be explained then it means you can't reach the hearts of your listeners using logical reasoning whereas that's exactly what Jesus used to reach teach people by means of illustrations that are fitting.
So your godhead stuff is the mother of false religions on planet earth! undecided

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Christianity Etc › Re: Questions I Have About The Existence Of A Creator God by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:51pm On Jul 24, 2022

Wilgrea7:
Jesus H. B. Christ. My head is almost beginning to hurt having to say the same thing all over again.

You're presenting your worldview, which is based on your concept of what a God is, or how a God should be.

I'm not talking about the concept of God in other religions. I couldn't care less about them.

You brought up the notion of a supreme being, and i showed you why a supreme being, if it exists, could choose to act in a million ways towards humans, and not necessarily be the loving, “wants to rule", peace bringing one you're trying to argue for.

I showed you how it could be one of multiple possibilities. And you simply went on to say why one possibility is true, based on nothing more than your preconceived notions.

I've literally said multiple times, that you cannot approach the existence of a God objectively if you don't let go of the preconceived notions you already have.

Your only “proof" for why a God, if it exists, has to be a certain way, is nothing more than a book, which was written by a couple of people over thousands of years. And the proof that the book is true, is because of your notion that a God has to be a certain way, which is shown in the book.

This type of reasoning isn't just a perfect circle.. it is the most perfect of circles. It's so perfectly circular, it makes other circles look like squares

GOD exists and that's why a global family of peace loving worshipers having the same line of thought have emerged as He promised {Isaiah 2:2-4} you just don't want to agree with the truth deceiving yourself as if you want to reason with others when you've gotten the preconceived thought that no matter the evidence is brought before you you will never accept faith in God again.

Well that's what false religions does to people after you've followed them wholeheartedly having wrong expectations about God.
I know you must be one of those churchgoers who keeps ignoring or driving away Jehovah's Witnesses (true disciples of Christ) so finding out the truth now really makes you uncomfortable as you're prepared to speak against the truth that's clear to everyone.

I asked you again: Present any group of worshipers whose God has made a promise and fulfilled it like JEHOVAH the God of Israel!

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Does God Not Declare Himself As The God Of Adam? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:36pm On Jul 24, 2022

After Adam's downfall all other faithful humans lived each by his conscience and God approved them for keeping the golden rule {Matthew 7:12} but when it comes to Abraham God made a covenant with him regarding the establishment of pure worship which comes with unpalatable prerequisites!
Before Abraham could gain God's favour and inherit the promise:
©He must live his comfort zone which is the world trade center of his time to a destination he doesn't know.
©Get circumcised at his old age, and all males traveling going him must do the same.
©Prove to be faithful to a God he only knew by voice but hasn't done anything for him except the promises which to any layman is not certain.
©He must start living in tents from one location to another while moving to an unknown destination.
©He must remain virtuous despite all these inconveniences.
Then this voice promised him that Abraham will become the father of nations though he's growing older by the day and his wife has reached her menopause.
So Abraham must TRUST (BELIEVE) this voice even when it's evidently impossible for all the promises to come through. Then his wife got fed up and offered Abraham her maid perhaps to test and see who really is the cause of their childlessness then voila! The maid got pregnant for Abraham and Abraham felt the promised child has arrived but this voice came again telling Abraham that's not the promised child rather it's his old wife that's going to bear the child {Genesis 17:18-21} then Sarah got pregnant at last and gave birth to Isaac and insisted that the other child along with the mother should be sent away but this voice called Abraham again demanding that Abraham should kill his only remaining son as a sacrifice to strengthen their friendship!
Abraham took Isaac and was prepared to do as this voice said.

Well right from the time of Abel till then there has not been anyone who proved to be faithful and loyal completely like this man, no wonder the Bible declared Abraham the father of all those having faith {Roman 4:9-11} and the first person to be called God's friend! James 2:23

Isaac and Jacob both followed the footstep of their father (Abraham) that's why the true God often calls Himself the God of Abraham, God of Isaac and God of Jacob {Exodus 3:6} throughout human history there has never been a time when a family wholeheartedly put faith in God the same way these three men did.

Jesus of Nazareth confirmed that although Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are all in their graves but the true God can't wait to bring them back to life due to their unwavering faith! Luke 20:37-38

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Benefits Has Islam Brought To Nigeria? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:47pm On Jul 24, 2022

ANTIlSLAM:
The questions hard for you, so what's your koko in JW then

Keep on asking! Matthew 7:7 grin

Christianity Etc › Re: What Benefits Has Islam Brought To Nigeria? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:30pm On Jul 24, 2022

ANTIlSLAM:
Apology under my feet even your leaders in JW's can't answer those questions. So we should apologize for exposing you abi, aswear you need camel urine

In that case keep on asking! Matthew 7:7 grin

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Purpose And Message Of The Bible? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:19pm On Jul 24, 2022

In the beginning God created Just one spirit person Archangel Michael who later came to the earth as Jesus Christ. This is the one given the WISDOM to create all other things {Proverbs 8:1, 22, 30-31 compare to John 1:1-2; Colossians 1:15-16} God directed the firstborn son to create the heavens (all the creatures in heaven and place them in their respective positions) then God directed him to create the earth and make a creature that will oversee all the things happening here on earth. Genesis 1:26-28
Rebellion started when one of the captains over other spirit creatures in heaven began using his own initiative to do things among others unlike the firstborn who always do what is pleasing to their father {John 8:28} God wanted all other spirit sons of His to see the outcome of that then this rebellious angel came to initiate rebellion on earth and sadly the first human pair joined him to rebel against God. Genesis 3:1-6

So God allowed both Satan, Adam and Eve to do whatever they can perhaps they can prove Him wrong for saying He's the one and only person who has the right to set standards for right and wrong. That's how all these troubles began. But then what is the main THEME or MESSAGE of the Bible?

The Bible is like a case file which mankind need to study in order to choose whether to support God's sovereignty or continue to drag the case further using different systems if government as rival against God's Kingdom.

The ruler has been chosen which is God's only begotten Son the firstborn of all creations, he has come to teach mankind how to support God's Kingdom by preaching and teaching in all our neighbourhood all what is written in the case file (Bible) about the government that's coming to restore sanity on planet earth: God's Kingdom! Matthew 10:7

Christianity Etc › Re: Questions I Have About The Existence Of A Creator God by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:48pm On Jul 24, 2022

Wilgrea7:
Granted
Good analogy, but still faulty. People elect leaders from among themselves, to rule them, based on who they think is the best choice. Because of the process of election, and choosing one from among themselves, the leader is obligated to serve the masses, and as you've described, promote peace and so on.
Let's assume monotheism is true, and a single creator God exists. You did not create him. You did not elect him. You did not choose him from among yourselves to be your leader. You had absolutely no say in his position as a creator, or in his affairs, but he can choose to have a say in yours. In terms of ranking, he is ranked above every other thing he created, because he is the creator. But that doesn't bind him to any obligation.
He could create you, and choose to watch you fight each other, simply for the sake of his amusement
He could simply not care
He could choose to interfere in your affairs, simply to cause chaos
He could choose to interfere, for the sake of your wellbeing, as you've described
He could choose not to interfere at all
He could choose to act in a million other ways towards you
HE IS UNDER NO OBLIGATION, TO GIVE YOU ANYTHING, OR DO ANYTHING FOR YOU. Not peace, not protection. Nothing. I repeat. He can choose to, but he is under no obligation to

Now this is where the Bible is incomparable to whatever you might have heard about other Gods!

First of all the Bible explained when the idea of someone being chosen to rule over others started, that's the meaning of the tree of good and evil God strictly warned the first human pair not to eat. Genesis 2:17

According to that book the one and only ruler who supposed to set standards for right and wrong among humans is God {Psalms 83:18} not humans because nepotism will surely lead humans to prejudice {Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9} that's why the true God didn't appoint a King over His people until they demanded for a human king like other nations {1Samuel 8:5} even though the idea sounds really bad in the hearing of Samuel God's prophet {1Samuel 8:6} yet the true God told Samuel to give them what they wanted, in fact the true God uttered a statement that clearly shows it's the job of God to provide all what a ruler supposed to do for His people! 1Samuel 8:7

Then God told Samuel to explain to the people what the king they're demanding will require of them {1Samuel 8:10-18} but they insisted on their demand! 1Samuel 8:19-20

Out of all the deities ever known on this planet it's only the God of Israel that gave His people a written constitution of over 600 laws, and do you know the significance of those laws? Well it's to maintain law and order (PEACE) among his people! Mark 12:28-31

That's why Jehovah's Witnesses are confident to stand before anybody to prove to you that there is no other God apart from the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who knows the root cause of mankind's troubles which is the struggle among humans over whose right is it to set standards for right and wrong (Rulership)

So let it be known today that the major role of a SUPREME BEING is to maintain PEACE among His worshipers in the absence of that such a being is not supreme but lesser spirits creatures ~ demons!

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Benefits Has Islam Brought To Nigeria? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:30pm On Jul 24, 2022

ANTIlSLAM:
Who dey ask you super story now, bobo your attention is needed below jare
Your attention is needed here, you must finish what you started
1. what is the name of the Roman Emperor that initiated Catholic Church?
2. Who are the rebels that protested against Roman Catholic Church?
3. Did Jesus Christ taught you to visit hospital for medical care as you did by visiting Sacred Heart Hospital for your healing?
4. Did Jesus Christ taught you to build kingdom hall?
5. Did Jesus Christ taught you to condemned good gesture bestowed to your people in Abeokuta?
6. Did Jesus Christ taught you how to use the internet in proclaiming your occultist JW religion abi?
7. The Hospital they built for your betterment in Abeokuta, who are the Nurses and Doctors that attended to you the last time you went there for your healing, are they the whitemen from Europe or Nigerian doctor(s) and Nurses?

I owe you no response so if you want me to answer your questions then you must tender an apology both for you and on behind of your friend! wink

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Christianity Etc › Re: Questions I Have About The Existence Of A Creator God by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:17pm On Jul 24, 2022

Wilgrea7:
This is where we disagree. A supreme being, if it exists, does not owe you anything. It is not obligated in any way, to do anything for you. There is no law anywhere, that states that a supreme being has to care about you, or your peace.

BEING means a living person therefore the one who is SUPREME connotes the highest authority over all other BEINGS.

In all cultures people do have rulers and the purpose of a ruler is to maintain peace within the subjects in anyway possible, that's why ruler do have armed security operatives to maintain law and order. It's agreed throughout the earth that rulers must be highly intelligent and capable of making the best decisions that's why imbeciles are never allowed to be king in any sane society.
Now the SUPREME BEING is believed to be higher than any ruler so in all cultures the rulers are referred to as second in command to God or demigods.
So if you don't know the real purpose of the SUPREME BEING just say you are learning for the first time, this is not rocket science the SUPREME BEING supposed to maintain PEACE in His domain, it's not His duty towards you or anybody but the reason why He is regarded as the one who is SUPREME!

Christianity Etc › Re: Christianity And Intolerance by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:47pm On Jul 24, 2022

Lukuluku69:
The same old useless drivel. Jesus also taught his disciples to sell their clothes and buy sword ABI that part no dey your braindead Jehovah Madness Cult own version of the Bible?
So, where is your own sword/s nah because I know from the Bible that TWO SWORDS materializes and Jesus said it is enough. So, Mr. Braindead Brainwashed Jehovah Madness advocate where is your own sword?

Have you forgotten that even though i was one of you critics of truth before convert to the truth i was also an agent of the intelligence?

Ọmọ stop deceiving yourself and learn from true worshipers of God.
Jesus had twelve apostles minus Judas Iscariot who has gone to bring the thugs in order to betray Jesus so if out of eleven men only two swords suffice and the same Jesus who just told them each to own a sword even sell their clothes in order to buy one now say "TWO is enough among ELEVEN men" doesn't that tell you that he wasn't talking about physical swords as his disciples misunderstood him?

Well he wasn't talking about physical swords but spiritual swords which is the complete word of God {Ephesians 6:17; Hebrews 4:12} any intelligent person should know that he couldn't be talking about physical swords after teaching them:

“You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you! Matthew 5:43-44

Moreover a person who wants them to use swords should lead them in using it, Jesus was a young man (33 years) by the time so he should have trained them as in set example on how to use swords.

Again when the enemies came and Peter used physical sword to fight Jesus didn't commend but rebuked him then healed the wounded thug.

Ọmọ instead of arguing blindly just to support the useless Arab religion handed over to you by your parents it's time to use your brains Sir, Jesus said "it's enough" because he realized that this guys haven't gotten the sense of what he's been teaching them. That's why he told them that there are many things he wish to teach them but time won't permit but God's Holy Spirit will teach them! John 16:12-13

If Jesus actually asked them to use swords why didn't they fight back after he ascended to heaven? We all know how they were killed for their faith and there was no record of Jesus' disciples fighting back throughout the New Testament.

So listen and learn!
The spiritual sword is the complete word of God (Bible) please make a thorough search and tell me if you can find a single JW who doesn't have a complete copy of the Bible because even if a JW has nothing his copy of the Bible must be intact. That's what Jesus meant by saying "sell you clothes and make sure you possess one"

That's what it means to be an agent of the intelligence not just some brainwashed religionist blindly following the traditions of Arabs forced down the throat of his parents!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are Both Jesus And Satan Referred To As The Morning Star? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:14pm On Jul 24, 2022

Emusan:
Keep on the good work of your father the Devil.

I repeat, the day I'll decide to expose your lying mouth don't say you're just catching fun.

ANSWER THE QUESTION! cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Purpose And Message Of The Bible? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:35pm On Jul 24, 2022

Following! wink

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