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Prozico22:
2nd king chapter 8:26
2nd chronicles 22:2
same person different years

HazardAwka:
1 KINGS 1 : 9 - 15

Then the king sent to him a captain of fifty men
with his fifty. He went up to Elijah, who was sitting
on the top of a hill, and said to him, “O man of God,
the king says, ‘Come down.’” But Elijah answered
the captain of fifty, “If I am a man of God, let fire
come down from heaven and consume you and
your fifty.” Then fire came down from heaven and
consumed him and his fifty.
Again the king sent to him another captain of fifty
men with his fifty. And he answered and said to him,
“O man of God, this is the king's order, ‘Come down
quickly!’” But Elijah answered them, “If I am a man
of God, let fire come down from heaven and
consume you and your fifty.” Then the fire of God
came down from heaven and consumed him and his
fifty.
Again the king sent the captain of a third fifty with
his fifty. And the third captain of fifty went up and
came and fell on his knees before Elijah and
entreated him, “O man of God, please let my life,
and the life of these fifty servants of yours, be
precious in your sight. Behold, fire came down from
heaven and consumed the two former captains of
fifty men with their fifties, but now let my life be
precious in your sight.” Then the angel of the
Lord said to Elijah, “Go down with him; do not be
afraid of him.” So he arose and went down with him
to the king.

Did this really happen , I find it hard to believe, just read it carefully, fire coming down from heaven killed 51 people and the king sent another 51 persons, they too were burnt to death and the King sent another 51 persons ?
At the end the Angel told him to not be afraid, follow him now

johnw47:
Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool

like i have said to you before: "they don't come any dummer than you false jw's"

lost false jw mad max the liar/a false Jehovah's witness

you are a liar forever, especially since i showed you that God hates it, now you are repeating them all the more, so evil:

Pro 6:16  These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 
Pro 6:17  A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 
Pro 6:18  An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 
Pro 6:19  A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire

cutecommend:
We have many Christian sisters and Christian brothers who are not virgins, some are awesome people. You might even see a decent-looking and committed Christian sister, and when you confirm, she is not a virgin. Should virginity still be preached or should we just go by love and move on?
Again, does not being a virgin have side effect in marriage?

johnw47:
^^mad max to emusan

Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool

job 15:12 Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at



lost false jw mad max the liar/a false jehovah's witness

you of course are forever loveing to do what God hates:

Pro 6:16  These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 
Pro 6:17  A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 
Pro 6:18  An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 
Pro 6:19  A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire

Wilgrea7:
I don't even know how to start pointing out how wrong this analogy is. Issues that have to do with electricity are solved by an electrical company, because they are the EXPERTS on electricity and how it works. The lay man has no idea about how electrical circuits and so on, work. That's why they'll need the electric company.

Wilgrea7:
A group of believers do not qualify on experts on peaceful matters. They qualify as experts on belief. Belief is not intertwined with peaceful coexistence. Peace can exist without religion. Peaceful comes from mutual understanding and reasonable tolerance. And none of those, require religion, or believers to be achieved.

AntiChristian:
But he was a child of the soil. He only called them away from polytheism and to worship only one God Allah! He was never accused of telling lies till when he started preaching Islam. He was chased out of Mecca not banned like JW in many countries of the world. He later came back to dominate his hometown where he was chased out.
Stop comparing what is incomparable!

Trevor007007:
Am not saying that johnw47 should not make comments on NL, but he should stop making himself a liar against the organization of the Jehovah's Witnesses, they are the best religion in this wicked world and will always remain thesame to me, I speak ill of no religion so Mr Johnw47 stay your lane, speak about your religion if you have one, leave the JW's in there own lane peacefully, which I know you can't because Jesus Christ said that people will speak evil against those that are his, as in truly his because they are no part of this world. That is what is happening today JW's are hated the world over, which makes Jesus words to be true, I have made my own research and I have so many info about this religion than I could count, the lies, the propaganda, the hates even by those who claim they are Jesus Christ followers but they are not, I have seen a lot, but one thing stands out about this JW's it is there love and unity with one another, no religion, not even the Islamic religion that claims to be the religion of peace can be scaled with the JW's they are far below in the religious scale balance, too far below are the churchgoers of today, there beliefs are not consistent even inside the box, among adherents the scale is horribly low, they are not united, they have no love among themselves, hypocrisy is there best delicacy, money mongers, doomsday preachers of fear, too many paganism been practiced and upheld by today's churchgoers etc. So my conclusions are no religion in this present time can match up with the JW's when it comes to religious beliefs and practices, if you Johnw47 or any of your accusers have any religion that is far better than the JW's, feel free to prove it here, and I will make my own research about them thank. If you have non then you are all liars and that book of proverbs you cited about the things that God Almighty hates is what you truly practice behind closed curtains.

Wilgrea7:
I hear you sir. Different sects of Christianity have always disagreed on what different verses of the bible meant. It's nothing new.

Wilgrea7:
I gave the example of someone being a bad/sinful christian, rather than them not being a christian entirely, simply because they fall short of one of your expected virtues. In general, the term Christian, refers to people who believe in Jesus, and accept him as their personal Lord and savior.

Wilgrea7:
To say that a christian is not a true christian simply because they fall short, is like saying Peter was never a disciple of Christ because he ended up denying Jesus, or that Judas was never a disciple because he betrayed him. It's still no true scotsman at its finest.

Wilgrea7:
I don't see how this in any way relates to what I was saying. Worldview refers to how you view the world through the lens of your beliefs or ideologies. It has nothing to do with fruits of the spirit or whatever. You're trying to change the goalpost here. So I'll say it again, and I'll try to explain it more simply this time.

Wilgrea7:
You go around, preaching to people, based on your concept of how you think the world is. And this concept, is based on the beliefs in God that you already have. A worldview tries to explain things through a certain lens.
The reason why you go around, telling people from other faiths that they're wrong, is because that's how your worldview describes them. With your God being the ultimate, revealing himself through the concept you believe, while other concepts for some reason or the other have it wrong. The fruits of the spirit, and the other things you're talking about, that one has to have to prove truth, are based on your concept of what the truth should be.

Wilgrea7:
There are so many issues with this statement.
1) You are the one defining the lost sheep, as people looking for pure worship. Jesus, was the one who claimed to be looking for the lost sheep of Israel. And if I remember correctly, your assignment was to preach the gospel to EVERY CREATURE. Don't try to twist things.

Wilgrea7:
2) I don't know whoever made the statement that every religion is ok simply because they have nice people. But I'm certain it wasn't from me. 3) My point still stands. Everything you've been saying so far, is based on your beliefs about the world, which is dictated by your religion and it's concept of God.

Wilgrea7:
First of all, that's a really messed up analogy. Second of all, I don't care much for Muslims or the muslim belief, so I won't say much on this. But the very analogy you used for them can be used for you as well. It goes a bit like this .

1) There are different sects of Christianity. There are different sects of Islam.
2) My sect, A.K.A JWs, have got it right, because we understand the scripture. My sect, A.K.A Shia/Sunni have got it right, because we understand the scripture
3) The other sects are wrong, for whatever reason (bearing fruits, interpretation of scripture, etc). Same can be said for the other side.

Wilgrea7:
Every single argument you raise in your favor can literally be used against you.

Emusan:
Thanks for that!
I've never used words like CRAZY, MAD, WORTHLESS, WEREY, ASINWIN e.t.c on this forum yet these are words found at the tips of you spiritually FULL hypocrite!
If you're sure of this then my challenge shouldn't be an issue for you, in fact you suppose to embrace it wholeheartedly because only those who have secret afraid of open challenge.

Wilgrea7:
There are a lot of points here, So i'll break down my response into 2 parts. I've also added numbers to the questions here to make them easier to answer.

Also, before I answer them, I want to make it clear that I'm answering them based on the beliefs I held as a Christian, and NOT my current beliefs. Ok

1) Yes
2) Yes
3) No. That's your own personal belief. The world being of the devil doesn't prevent Christians from leading their communities if they desire.
4) Yes
5) I didn't have an opinion on this at the time.
6) No
7) Yes
8 ) Yes
9) No. I believed he was a sinful christian. Not necessarily that he's not a christian.
10) Yes

Once again, I answered based on the beliefs I previously had as a christian. Not the ones I hold today.

Emusan:
So you're not ready for the challenge.



You're now the owner of Nairaland who can decide which question I should answer or not



I can't remember mention you here, can you remind me?



Waooooo what a wonderful scholar



I can't remember OLAADEGBU created this thread solely for me, can you

There are many threads I will view on Nairaland religion section and I'll just pass.

You're the one who sees Nairaland as your birth and death place



No! The best way is for you to take up the challenge, if you know you're not a false accuser like your father the Devil.



Says the person who can't sleep, breath and live without coming to Nairaland to argue.

Just let me know when the thread was specifically for me.

Lukuluku69:
The Unintelligent Intelligent Officer never disappoint. So, Jesus true disciples disappeared after the The original Twelve passed on? Only to resurface with Taze Russell's Teachings? The thing they did to you at your Kingdom halls is unexplainable.

Lukuluku69:
And talking about "pigheadedness" in Islam only make me laugh. Using big words to sound intelligent doesn't make you one O Unintelligent One
Besides, this thread is about Christians Intolerance. The Op made some allegations, refute them if you can. Don't come here promoting your Cult's warped doctrines and tortured interpretation of the scriptures.

OkCornel:
Not holding brief for Remi Tinubu though.
If The couples started out as Muslims, and later had kids, but one of the couples converted to Christianity and served in the church for years..… would you advise the couple divorce before the one that converted to Christianity can be ordained to a leadership position?
Kindly advise.

AntiChristian:
Shebi you claim you were once an enlightened Muslim. Explain the reason to us.

Empiree:
Do you realize that you are derailing this thread?. Matter of fact you have proven what this thread entails, Christians and intolerance

Lukuluku69:
The Unintelligent Intelligent Officer himself. JW that was started by Taze Russell are the only true Jesus disciples?
So, what we have from Jesus time till Taze got his inspiration were what?
The things these Christians say sometimes Sha

Emusan:
Are you ready to take up my challenge on this?
I will create a thread specifically for this!
You're like your father the Devil, the false accuser of the brethren.
A little searh about my account on this forum would've helped you but since you're just a son of your father the Devil and self lying liar acclaimed intelligence officer.
Me and Atheists, Muslims, Pagan e.t.c had discussed on various issues on this forum but you can open your mouth to boldly lie.
Well it's the seed of your father the Devil that is manifesting in you.
And if you're so confident in what you're saying then just say yes, you're ready to take up my challenge on this.

AntiChristian:
Na so Jehovah witness spread peace till they are banned in how many countries now? Even Muslims are not banned like you guys!
What a Pity!

AntiChristian:
What a subtle way to divert from the topic!
You should open your thread and ask that sir!

Empiree:
peace?. But we have seen what Christians have to offer during this election saga. We have seen how Christians are harassing Muslim students up and down over hijab. We have seen how Christians harass Muslims at work for being Muslims. So what peace are you taking about now?.

Are JW not Christians?. In as much as CAN represents CHRISTIANITY I'm Nigeria their thuggery behavior will continue to hunt all Christians.

johnw47:
lost false jw mad max

the reason you keep calling me names is because that's what you false jw's do when replying to truth

reallifegospel:
Well then try to watch the video before posting a comment, Thanks!

justlove91:
Being conscious of our environment is different from relating to the environment, this topic is about the formal.

johnw47:
the reason i call you "mad max" is because it's true, you are mad

Empiree:
I thought you good. Ómó īlè lé nī é. If I placed you in bed you would still fall to the ground. That's exactly what you just did. Do I need I need to say more now?. Is it not abundantly clear who are intolerant in Nigeria?. We have seen clearly how intolerant you guys are in this candidate selection.

You only need swords as commanded by your Bible. So we have to be very careful of you guys now.

Keep it up.

Wilgrea7:
Sure, go ahead. It's important to also note that a lot of different people interpret the bible in different ways. And your view, being a JW may differ slightly from the ones i once held, since i wasn't a JW.. but by all means.
Please go ahead.

Wilgrea7:
Once again, No true scotsman. The fact that the others couldn't give me objective answers doesn't mean they were misinformed or not true christians.

Wilgrea7:
You seem to have completely missed the part where i said that the answers i got were based on the Christian worldview, which was hinged on the Christian concept of God.
Going out for evangelism doesn't change that. You discuss the concept of God you believe in with others, and try to show them why they're wrong based on your worldview. You preach based on an already preconceived notion of how things are.

Wilgrea7:
I don't see how that changes anything. Christianity gives it's followers the opportunity to go out and share the concept of God it believes in.. doesn't make it any more or less true. If you meet someone that holds a different belief than you.. and you both start discussing your beliefs and views... that's a debate. Nothing political about it

Wilgrea7:
By your logic, i could go ahead and say you were never a true muslim, because you let the actions of a few misinformed mosquegoers confuse you. But that would be undermining your experiences, as well as your reasons for leaving the faith. The difference between us is that while you questioned and criticized your concept of the Abrahamic God which was held by Islam, I on the other hand, questioned the concept of a God in general.

johnw47:
Ecclesiastes 7:6
false jw mad max

you and 007 call names because the truth hurts you, and you have no truth to say

Wilgrea7:
Have you heard of the "No true scotsman" fallacy? It's saying just because someone left a group, then they weren't a true member of the group. That's exactly what you're doing now

Wilgrea7:
I'm sure you're aware of the thread I created titled "It's OK to question your beliefs". I was at that stage once. I asked the questions. The only difference was that I looked for objective answers. A lot of the "Christian" answers to my questions were incredibly biased, since they focused on the christian worldview, which is based on the Christian concept of God.

Wilgrea7:
Other religions also have their own worldviews based on their own different concepts. They couldn't all be right. So i sought out to find out what we knew about God, rather than what we simply believed. And that's how I ended up here.

Wilgrea7:
Debates are simply discussions between 2 people with opposing or contradictory beliefs or ideas. It isn't exclusively meant for politicians or people who want control. It's for anyone who wants to share their thoughts and ideas with people around them.

Wilgrea7:
I was making a reference to the old times. The holy wars. The inquisitions, and the different battles fought in the name of religion. Some smaller versions of those conflicts still exist today.

Empiree:
thanks for your epistle and subtle approach.. But thing is, you can not know Jesus more than Muslims. We are closer to Jesus than the Christians. What you guys need to do in Nigeria, especially Yorùbá Christians is to call out thug CAN that is disturbing peace in the country

johnw47:
Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool
lost false jw mad max
like i said, you love doing the things that the lord hates
and you love doing them over and over again
Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
"A false witness that speaks lies", is you exactly, isn't it
you are of course of your father the devil:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.