Jesus said by their FRUITS you will know false prophets {Matthew 7:15-18} note that Jesus first mentioned false PROPHETS (plural) then FRUITS (plural) What exactly did Jesus meant by "FRUITS"? To understand this we need to consider one of his illustrations where he use FRUIT as the subject matter. In the Bible book of John 15 Jesus said he is the tree planted by his father {John 15:1} his first century Apostles are the branches {John 15:6} then the FRUIT (singular) John 15:8 So according to Jesus Christ of Nazareth who is the tree planted by God, the FRUIT must be a unique one which only this tree can produce, no other tree can produce this same FRUIT neither can any branch (Church founder) who is not connected to the tree can produce. John 15:7-10
Now what did Jesus become the very day he got baptized to start doing God's will and was anointed with Holy Spirit? Matt 3:13-17 Remember he was a carpenter before then {Mark 6:3} but after his baptism he never returned to carpentry instantly he became a preacher and teacher of the GOOD NEWS of God's Kingdom! Matt 4:17 His first disciples that later became Apostles also abandoned everything they were doing to become preachers and teachers too {Mark 10:28} no wonder Jesus referred to them as the branches because they also stopped their businesses to give all their lives to the ministry.
So if Jesus is the TREE and his Apostles are the BRANCHES then what is the FRUIT?
Well the FRUIT are countless disciples who have their own jobs but are supporting Jesus and the Apostles physically and financially. They will not abandon their own jobs but they will also get baptized as disciples and support the preaching and teaching campaign for God's Kingdom! Matt 28:19-20
But why did Jesus refer to multitude of people as FRUIT (singular) rather than FRUITS (plural)?
Well it's because there's no religion on planet earth that can produce this same type of disciples who will be known everywhere they are as zealous preachers and industrious teachers of the GOOD NEWS that's why the inhabitants of Antioch called them " "CHRISTIANS" meaning the group of people doing exactly what that man known as "CHRIST" often do! Act 11:26
So if your religion can't produce this same kind of FRUIT everywhere they are then it's not connected through the teachings of the TREE (Jesus) nor that of the BRANCHES (Apostles) !
OLAADEGBU: This is more than a pictorial evidence. JWs have nowhere to hide except they are in denial.
You watch a video of someone talking and all you're after is not the message not the positive results in the society rather it's what an atheist ordered you focus on!
What is FREEMASON? What's the negative result in the society? Have you heard freemason in the Bible?
Walahi talahi it's good to be a sound Bible student rather than misinformed Churchgoer! Matt 10:25
OLAADEGBU: It is evident that you are not a member of the body of Christ and you do not claim to be one but you should at least adhere to NL rule 2 that forbids abduse, insults and the likes unless you are saying you are a lawbreaker.
But it's against the rules of God to follow evildoers to accuse the innocent when you're not even sure of what is happening! Exodus 23:1-2
I don't have any fear of Nairaland but i fear the true God!
OLAADEGBU: At least they got pictorial evidence. Where's your evidence of accusing DL of being occult?
Photoshops is not a fruit of Christianity, we walk by faith not by sight {2Corin 5:7} instead of gullibly believing photoshops why not ask the person bringing the pictures to tell you the evil the group is causing that's affecting the society. Jesus spoke against false religions and the bad effects in the society that's what he meant when he said: "By their FRUITS you will know them"
OLAADEGBU: All you can do is to post gossips and rumours, no evidence to back it up. See how Court posts pictorial evidence to back up his claim and learn from him.
You be confirmed ọ̀dẹ̀! Have you heard of photoshop before?
OLAADEGBU: What 'body of Christ' permits you to be cussing as you have just done? By their fruits we know those who are members of the body of Christ.
The fruit of CHRISTIANITY has never been what you're doing on this forum! Can you present any verse in the Act of Apostles where they preached or wrote anything incriminating against other religions in Israel despite various rival groups back then?
Only Jesus spoke against all other religions and he proved it by talking about the fruitage of false religions not just accusing them of being freemason or so. On the other hand it was the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis who were accusing Jesus of being the head of CULTISM {Matt 12:24; Luke 11:15} it was these people who were accusing the true Christians of being cultists {Act 24:5} and Jesus already foresaw this! Matt 10:25
So if you're accusing other religions of cultists activities do you bear the same fruit like the first century Christians or the enemies of Christianity back then?
EMILO2STAY: your stupid I must say for asking such shity question ,I am a member of the body of Christ and not member of a denomination established by man.
Because there church founders often tag any one they see as opposition CULT or HERETIC there gullible followers also follow whatever they say without knowing how to defend the nonsense. Kumuyi once accused Adeboye of being an agent of the devil but he secretly told Tunde Bakare not knowing Bakare will disclose it publicly!
EMILO2STAY: Una two just dey mumu dey attack each others church, is Christ the founder of deeper life or Jehovah's witness?
you two are not followers of Christ but followers of the founder of your cults you call church. follow Christ and shun every denominational place of worship founded by a man they are all the daughters of the great LovePeddler of Babylon. the Bible says come out of her my people, this is what I expect from the both of you not this nonsense you both are engaged in.
God bless you for this post!
Please tell him that it doesn't make sense accusing another church of being CULT simply because an atheist say so! I for my part know that unbelievers often call all religions CULT!
OLAADEGBU: Where is your evidence that my church belongs to Freemason? At least we have the evidence for JW being associated with Freemasons.
And where is the evidence? Someone brought fake pictures telling you lies, even unbaptized students of JWs will tell you none of his pictures look like a meeting of JWs. So stop deceiving yourself! Gullibility of Deeperlifers!
A TRUE LIFE STORY OF AN EX-DEEPER LIFE MEMBER ====
My mum used to work a 9-5 in a very reputable company on Lagos Island in the 80s, and a "hyper-dedicated" member of Deeper Life Bible Church. My dad was a traveler and a man of very few words. Mum was a hardworking woman and passionate about things of her interest. Her church teaches that anything that would hinder you from making heaven should be cut off, be it father, mother, husband, wife, children, family, whatever; so 90% of mum's time was spent and dedicated to Deeper Life, so she could make heaven and sit at the right-hand side of Jesus in white apparel, on the streets of gold. She must have been made to believe that the more dedicated you are to God and his church, the bigger your mansion in heaven.
She was an early member of this church when it started in UNILAG in the 70s as a campus fellowship, she used to be a top leader of a section of the church, but today she's only a little above an ordinary member after investing all her life into the church. She goes to church almost every day of the week after work, which left us the children to the hands of house girls. Monday is always bible study, Tuesday leaders meeting, Wednesday counseling, Thursday revival hour, Friday prayer meeting(or something or the other), Saturday workers meeting, and Sunday we were in church all day, we attended the 3 services cause mum had to officiate in the entire service.
At the age of 4-5 as a child, my memory started to take notice and store significant incidents at home. when i was between the age of 5-6 i was constantly being sexually molested by one of our house girls. She takes me to the room after she showers, pulls my head towards her crouch and makes me suck her vagina. This happened regularly but mum was too busy with church activities and trying to make heaven, she didn't notice or suspect anything and for over 2 decades i kept it only to myself (I just told my mum about it recently)
The church decentralized in 1991, that same period we moved to a bigger apartment from the room and parlour we used to live in, we had a big compound, enough to play around so we were not allowed beyond it. The church branch needed a temporary space for worship, mum was approached, she enthusiastically offered our compound and we were restricted to indoors with nothing to play with, no toys, no friends allowed, no board games, no TV (board games and TV were considered sin). I was beaten mercilessly by my parents for going to neighbour's house with my siblings to watch TV, guess what...my mum has TV in her sitting room now and so is almost every Deeper Life member nowadays.
So, what happened to the doctrine they preach about "Jesus the same yesterday, today and forever"? Suddenly the Jesus of yesterday that didn't like TV does now. In a conversation i had with my mum recently; i reminded her how she used to beat the hell out of me for watching TV that she now have, she was mute about it.
Our sitting room became counseling room and office, our walkway was divided and part used as church store. Mum had some sets of Fine-China we never really use and only on new years day, but she'll make a banquet with them every week on our dining table for the church officiating ministers.
Church kept expanding and was able to acquire a land, then moved, but our house remained a hub where members go to, when they had nowhere to stay. At those rare times she's home, especially during her leave, we had church members come to her for either financial aid, counseling, parents bringing their children for counseling but didn't realise her own children needed the counseling more.
I was a curious child, I began to wonder if there are other things to life besides "read your book" "go to church". Depression started creeping in at about when i was 11-12, music came to my rescue, I picked a passionate interest in music and i held on to it strongly because nothing was of interest to me in the church besides the music. I was a semi-misfit, I had peer issues, bully issues like every other kid, but mum was too busy listening to other people's children in the church but not me; one time, another kid tried to bully me in school, i fought back but had mixed feeling of guilt and victory, cause mum always say Jesus said "when they hit you on your right cheek, you turn the left".
I started to ask so many questions when i was about 14, i realised the double standards and hypocrisies in the church. The first thing i noticed was a no-one-dares-talk-about segregation, kids of the rich and top leaders, were always given special preferences and i remember one of those sermons we were told, that God is no respecter of any man and how we are same in the eyes of God. This was too huge for me to process at the time, so it expanded my curiosity.
Mum got a huge loan from a finance company to start a business with dad, which eventually wasn't successful. Now we were in serious debt, we suffered severely during this period. Mum was paying through her nose from her monthly salary, the debt had accumulated so much interest. Church members who used to flock around our house started disappearing one by one. It was hard to even eat, then i asked myself again: why can't the church help mum pay at least some of this debt? Afterall she doesn't get paid for everything she's doing for the church, but things remained this way until we were able to crawl out of it.
The church started gaining so much popularity at a time, mum was also getting deeper in her dedication. Mum's over zealousness and less attention for her family started to take a toll on my dad and the marriage between them, this boomeranged into their separation, and the church management said mum cannot hold the significant position she was in anymore, since she's separated from her husband and demoted to a lower position. Her dedication to church, caused her a broken home and she got punished for it by the same church.
This began to affect her psychologically. She has been so emotionally detached from her children, she was only dedicated to these brainwashers. I thought maybe she'll realise herself by now, but it got worse. Now she became dedicated to fighting to get her spot back, by trying to impress the church leadership, even by desperate measures which gradually turned her to a full blown hypocrite. Churches create standards humanly unachievable and has turned members into hypocrites.
I watched as they announce and placed members under disciplinary measure, in front of the entire congregation in humiliation and excommunication. Why would anyone subject themselves to such dehumanisation? I literally saw people become mentally deranged from overzealousness, i saw people disown their families, i saw people leave their spouses cause they were told they were in an ungodly relationship. Then i watched as hypocrisy massively became the means of survival. Workers, members, leaders, secretly taking their daughters for abortion. Those who were caught became scape goats.
In Deeper Life, as a leader, no matter how dedicated you are, the standards set for your children is the litmus test for your credibility and your fate to remain a leader, especially the female children. No trousers, no lipstick, no earrings, no make-up, no relaxing of the hair, must be born again etc. my sisters were not having none of that bullshit, they pierced their ears, wore trousers, got their hair did, nails done. This affected mum's position the more, but she bothered more about her relegation in the church rather than pay attention to her children.
I was at this point, already socialising myself and beginning to absorb information about life in general, outside the church. I left home to face the world alone without any orientation of how to survive out there. "Go and read your book" and "Go to church" was the only thing i know.
I built up a conviction to find the truth about life by myself and the pursuit of a personal identity outside the indoctrination and dogma. I found my path in life quickly enough, but this made me to be seen as a rebel back home. I hoped mum would talk to me and ask about what was happening in my life, but that never happened; I wasn't going to the church anymore, so me being around her would further reduce the possibilities of her achieving that leadership level she so craves. My personal life and success as her son wasn't her goal, Deeper Life was.
Religious fanatism is damaging people's families in this clime, but I have decided to save myself from the chains of these brainwashers.
END = Narrated to me on September 30, 2017 by an ex-member of the Deeper Life Bible Church who was inspired to share the personal story after reading my post on the Deeper Life Church. I sought and got permission to share the story.
A TRUE LIFE STORY OF AN EX-DEEPER LIFE MEMBER ====
My mum used to work a 9-5 in a very reputable company on Lagos Island in the 80s, and a "hyper-dedicated" member of Deeper Life Bible Church. My dad was a traveler and a man of very few words. Mum was a hardworking woman and passionate about things of her interest. Her church teaches that anything that would hinder you from making heaven should be cut off, be it father, mother, husband, wife, children, family, whatever; so 90% of mum's time was spent and dedicated to Deeper Life, so she could make heaven and sit at the right-hand side of Jesus in white apparel, on the streets of gold. She must have been made to believe that the more dedicated you are to God and his church, the bigger your mansion in heaven.
She was an early member of this church when it started in UNILAG in the 70s as a campus fellowship, she used to be a top leader of a section of the church, but today she's only a little above an ordinary member after investing all her life into the church. She goes to church almost every day of the week after work, which left us the children to the hands of house girls. Monday is always bible study, Tuesday leaders meeting, Wednesday counseling, Thursday revival hour, Friday prayer meeting(or something or the other), Saturday workers meeting, and Sunday we were in church all day, we attended the 3 services cause mum had to officiate in the entire service.
At the age of 4-5 as a child, my memory started to take notice and store significant incidents at home. when i was between the age of 5-6 i was constantly being sexually molested by one of our house girls. She takes me to the room after she showers, pulls my head towards her crouch and makes me suck her vagina. This happened regularly but mum was too busy with church activities and trying to make heaven, she didn't notice or suspect anything and for over 2 decades i kept it only to myself (I just told my mum about it recently)
The church decentralized in 1991, that same period we moved to a bigger apartment from the room and parlour we used to live in, we had a big compound, enough to play around so we were not allowed beyond it. The church branch needed a temporary space for worship, mum was approached, she enthusiastically offered our compound and we were restricted to indoors with nothing to play with, no toys, no friends allowed, no board games, no TV (board games and TV were considered sin). I was beaten mercilessly by my parents for going to neighbour's house with my siblings to watch TV, guess what...my mum has TV in her sitting room now and so is almost every Deeper Life member nowadays.
So, what happened to the doctrine they preach about "Jesus the same yesterday, today and forever"? Suddenly the Jesus of yesterday that didn't like TV does now. In a conversation i had with my mum recently; i reminded her how she used to beat the hell out of me for watching TV that she now have, she was mute about it.
Our sitting room became counseling room and office, our walkway was divided and part used as church store. Mum had some sets of Fine-China we never really use and only on new years day, but she'll make a banquet with them every week on our dining table for the church officiating ministers.
Church kept expanding and was able to acquire a land, then moved, but our house remained a hub where members go to, when they had nowhere to stay. At those rare times she's home, especially during her leave, we had church members come to her for either financial aid, counseling, parents bringing their children for counseling but didn't realise her own children needed the counseling more.
I was a curious child, I began to wonder if there are other things to life besides "read your book" "go to church". Depression started creeping in at about when i was 11-12, music came to my rescue, I picked a passionate interest in music and i held on to it strongly because nothing was of interest to me in the church besides the music. I was a semi-misfit, I had peer issues, bully issues like every other kid, but mum was too busy listening to other people's children in the church but not me; one time, another kid tried to bully me in school, i fought back but had mixed feeling of guilt and victory, cause mum always say Jesus said "when they hit you on your right cheek, you turn the left".
I started to ask so many questions when i was about 14, i realised the double standards and hypocrisies in the church. The first thing i noticed was a no-one-dares-talk-about segregation, kids of the rich and top leaders, were always given special preferences and i remember one of those sermons we were told, that God is no respecter of any man and how we are same in the eyes of God. This was too huge for me to process at the time, so it expanded my curiosity.
Mum got a huge loan from a finance company to start a business with dad, which eventually wasn't successful. Now we were in serious debt, we suffered severely during this period. Mum was paying through her nose from her monthly salary, the debt had accumulated so much interest. Church members who used to flock around our house started disappearing one by one. It was hard to even eat, then i asked myself again: why can't the church help mum pay at least some of this debt? Afterall she doesn't get paid for everything she's doing for the church, but things remained this way until we were able to crawl out of it.
The church started gaining so much popularity at a time, mum was also getting deeper in her dedication. Mum's over zealousness and less attention for her family started to take a toll on my dad and the marriage between them, this boomeranged into their separation, and the church management said mum cannot hold the significant position she was in anymore, since she's separated from her husband and demoted to a lower position. Her dedication to church, caused her a broken home and she got punished for it by the same church.
This began to affect her psychologically. She has been so emotionally detached from her children, she was only dedicated to these brainwashers. I thought maybe she'll realise herself by now, but it got worse. Now she became dedicated to fighting to get her spot back, by trying to impress the church leadership, even by desperate measures which gradually turned her to a full blown hypocrite. Churches create standards humanly unachievable and has turned members into hypocrites.
I watched as they announce and placed members under disciplinary measure, in front of the entire congregation in humiliation and excommunication. Why would anyone subject themselves to such dehumanisation? I literally saw people become mentally deranged from overzealousness, i saw people disown their families, i saw people leave their spouses cause they were told they were in an ungodly relationship. Then i watched as hypocrisy massively became the means of survival. Workers, members, leaders, secretly taking their daughters for abortion. Those who were caught became scape goats.
In Deeper Life, as a leader, no matter how dedicated you are, the standards set for your children is the litmus test for your credibility and your fate to remain a leader, especially the female children. No trousers, no lipstick, no earrings, no make-up, no relaxing of the hair, must be born again etc. my sisters were not having none of that bullshit, they pierced their ears, wore trousers, got their hair did, nails done. This affected mum's position the more, but she bothered more about her relegation in the church rather than pay attention to her children.
I was at this point, already socialising myself and beginning to absorb information about life in general, outside the church. I left home to face the world alone without any orientation of how to survive out there. "Go and read your book" and "Go to church" was the only thing i know.
I built up a conviction to find the truth about life by myself and the pursuit of a personal identity outside the indoctrination and dogma. I found my path in life quickly enough, but this made me to be seen as a rebel back home. I hoped mum would talk to me and ask about what was happening in my life, but that never happened; I wasn't going to the church anymore, so me being around her would further reduce the possibilities of her achieving that leadership level she so craves. My personal life and success as her son wasn't her goal, Deeper Life was.
Religious fanatism is damaging people's families in this clime, but I have decided to save myself from the chains of these brainwashers.
END = Narrated to me on September 30, 2017 by an ex-member of the Deeper Life Bible Church who was inspired to share the personal story after reading my post on the Deeper Life Church. I sought and got permission to share the story.
OLAADEGBU Mr Emusan and johnw47 deceiving himself!
Better you go and attend to the thread that says:
as shared by olu-adegoke on facebook
A TRUE LIFE STORY OF AN EX-DEEPER LIFE MEMBER ====
My mum used to work a 9-5 in a very reputable company on Lagos Island in the 80s, and a "hyper-dedicated" member of Deeper Life Bible Church. My dad was a traveler and a man of very few words. Mum was a hardworking woman and passionate about things of her interest. Her church teaches that anything that would hinder you from making heaven should be cut off, be it father, mother, husband, wife, children, family, whatever; so 90% of mum's time was spent and dedicated to Deeper Life, so she could make heaven and sit at the right-hand side of Jesus in white apparel, on the streets of gold. She must have been made to believe that the more dedicated you are to God and his church, the bigger your mansion in heaven.
She was an early member of this church when it started in UNILAG in the 70s as a campus fellowship, she used to be a top leader of a section of the church, but today she's only a little above an ordinary member after investing all her life into the church. She goes to church almost every day of the week after work, which left us the children to the hands of house girls. Monday is always bible study, Tuesday leaders meeting, Wednesday counseling, Thursday revival hour, Friday prayer meeting(or something or the other), Saturday workers meeting, and Sunday we were in church all day, we attended the 3 services cause mum had to officiate in the entire service.
At the age of 4-5 as a child, my memory started to take notice and store significant incidents at home. when i was between the age of 5-6 i was constantly being sexually molested by one of our house girls. She takes me to the room after she showers, pulls my head towards her crouch and makes me suck her vagina. This happened regularly but mum was too busy with church activities and trying to make heaven, she didn't notice or suspect anything and for over 2 decades i kept it only to myself (I just told my mum about it recently)
The church decentralized in 1991, that same period we moved to a bigger apartment from the room and parlour we used to live in, we had a big compound, enough to play around so we were not allowed beyond it. The church branch needed a temporary space for worship, mum was approached, she enthusiastically offered our compound and we were restricted to indoors with nothing to play with, no toys, no friends allowed, no board games, no TV (board games and TV were considered sin). I was beaten mercilessly by my parents for going to neighbour's house with my siblings to watch TV, guess what...my mum has TV in her sitting room now and so is almost every Deeper Life member nowadays.
So, what happened to the doctrine they preach about "Jesus the same yesterday, today and forever"? Suddenly the Jesus of yesterday that didn't like TV does now. In a conversation i had with my mum recently; i reminded her how she used to beat the hell out of me for watching TV that she now have, she was mute about it.
Our sitting room became counseling room and office, our walkway was divided and part used as church store. Mum had some sets of Fine-China we never really use and only on new years day, but she'll make a banquet with them every week on our dining table for the church officiating ministers.
Church kept expanding and was able to acquire a land, then moved, but our house remained a hub where members go to, when they had nowhere to stay. At those rare times she's home, especially during her leave, we had church members come to her for either financial aid, counseling, parents bringing their children for counseling but didn't realise her own children needed the counseling more.
I was a curious child, I began to wonder if there are other things to life besides "read your book" "go to church". Depression started creeping in at about when i was 11-12, music came to my rescue, I picked a passionate interest in music and i held on to it strongly because nothing was of interest to me in the church besides the music. I was a semi-misfit, I had peer issues, bully issues like every other kid, but mum was too busy listening to other people's children in the church but not me; one time, another kid tried to bully me in school, i fought back but had mixed feeling of guilt and victory, cause mum always say Jesus said "when they hit you on your right cheek, you turn the left".
I started to ask so many questions when i was about 14, i realised the double standards and hypocrisies in the church. The first thing i noticed was a no-one-dares-talk-about segregation, kids of the rich and top leaders, were always given special preferences and i remember one of those sermons we were told, that God is no respecter of any man and how we are same in the eyes of God. This was too huge for me to process at the time, so it expanded my curiosity.
Mum got a huge loan from a finance company to start a business with dad, which eventually wasn't successful. Now we were in serious debt, we suffered severely during this period. Mum was paying through her nose from her monthly salary, the debt had accumulated so much interest. Church members who used to flock around our house started disappearing one by one. It was hard to even eat, then i asked myself again: why can't the church help mum pay at least some of this debt? Afterall she doesn't get paid for everything she's doing for the church, but things remained this way until we were able to crawl out of it.
The church started gaining so much popularity at a time, mum was also getting deeper in her dedication. Mum's over zealousness and less attention for her family started to take a toll on my dad and the marriage between them, this boomeranged into their separation, and the church management said mum cannot hold the significant position she was in anymore, since she's separated from her husband and demoted to a lower position. Her dedication to church, caused her a broken home and she got punished for it by the same church.
This began to affect her psychologically. She has been so emotionally detached from her children, she was only dedicated to these brainwashers. I thought maybe she'll realise herself by now, but it got worse. Now she became dedicated to fighting to get her spot back, by trying to impress the church leadership, even by desperate measures which gradually turned her to a full blown hypocrite. Churches create standards humanly unachievable and has turned members into hypocrites.
I watched as they announce and placed members under disciplinary measure, in front of the entire congregation in humiliation and excommunication. Why would anyone subject themselves to such dehumanisation? I literally saw people become mentally deranged from overzealousness, i saw people disown their families, i saw people leave their spouses cause they were told they were in an ungodly relationship. Then i watched as hypocrisy massively became the means of survival. Workers, members, leaders, secretly taking their daughters for abortion. Those who were caught became scape goats.
In Deeper Life, as a leader, no matter how dedicated you are, the standards set for your children is the litmus test for your credibility and your fate to remain a leader, especially the female children. No trousers, no lipstick, no earrings, no make-up, no relaxing of the hair, must be born again etc. my sisters were not having none of that bullshit, they pierced their ears, wore trousers, got their hair did, nails done. This affected mum's position the more, but she bothered more about her relegation in the church rather than pay attention to her children.
I was at this point, already socialising myself and beginning to absorb information about life in general, outside the church. I left home to face the world alone without any orientation of how to survive out there. "Go and read your book" and "Go to church" was the only thing i know.
I built up a conviction to find the truth about life by myself and the pursuit of a personal identity outside the indoctrination and dogma. I found my path in life quickly enough, but this made me to be seen as a rebel back home. I hoped mum would talk to me and ask about what was happening in my life, but that never happened; I wasn't going to the church anymore, so me being around her would further reduce the possibilities of her achieving that leadership level she so craves. My personal life and success as her son wasn't her goal, Deeper Life was.
Religious fanatism is damaging people's families in this clime, but I have decided to save myself from the chains of these brainwashers.
END = Narrated to me on September 30, 2017 by an ex-member of the Deeper Life Bible Church who was inspired to share the personal story after reading my post on the Deeper Life Church. I sought and got permission to share the story.
Each church has their own understanding of the scriptures and it's the fine WORKS Jesus said we should look out for {Matthew 7:16-18} not arguments on scriptures!
ToyBoyAaron: Typical religious answers.. Tell me why it's cool for your God to command the killing of his enemies and it isn't for the Gods of others not to?
They are not really His enemies but they're just wicked people! You only need to find out what really happened otherwise you'll continue to judge matters wrongly. Let me give you a hint on the question you are so confused about.
The true God noticed that after the flood wicked spirits have settled in different regions on the planet and they're dragging worshipers through warfare. As the worshipers of a demon will go and enslave the worshipers of another demon. So the true God called Abraham and told him what He wanted to do with Abraham's descendants. They will serve as a unique people out of all other nations who are worshiping demons. The true God allowed the descendants of Abraham to be enslaved in Egypt for more than 400 years until He decided to bring them back to where Abraham lived and died. But before that this God send a warning message to all the inhabitants of Canaan by going down with two octogenarians to tell the Egyptian King (the most powerful monarch of that time) to free His people. Pharaoh felt It's a joke until he saw his people dying while the Israelites live so he unwillingly sent them away only to pursue them again with the best of his armies and all of them drowned in the red sea!
Please tell me if you hear all of these will you think of dragging anything with such a powerful God? Note that all other Gods do fight for territories using their worshipers as soldiers but this God travelled with two feeble octogenarians and delivered millions of slaves without a military force.
Well if you ask me i will never hesitate to become a worshiper of such a God no matter what it will cost me! But most of the inhabitants of Canaan decided to wage war against the most powerful God on planet earth. So who is wicked between the person who sent them a warning message and the one who just came killing without any reason? Also note that the God of Abraham never asked the worshipers of demons to come and worship Him, all He asked for is the land He promised Abraham which all the inhabitants of Canaan were already aware of. The God of Abraham even warned His people that the land He is giving them has been measured so they shouldn't think of acquiring more than that. Do you think it's the same case as the God sending people to kill people for religion?
A TRUE LIFE STORY OF AN EX-DEEPER LIFE MEMBER ====
My mum used to work a 9-5 in a very reputable company on Lagos Island in the 80s, and a "hyper-dedicated" member of Deeper Life Bible Church. My dad was a traveler and a man of very few words. Mum was a hardworking woman and passionate about things of her interest. Her church teaches that anything that would hinder you from making heaven should be cut off, be it father, mother, husband, wife, children, family, whatever; so 90% of mum's time was spent and dedicated to Deeper Life, so she could make heaven and sit at the right-hand side of Jesus in white apparel, on the streets of gold. She must have been made to believe that the more dedicated you are to God and his church, the bigger your mansion in heaven.
She was an early member of this church when it started in UNILAG in the 70s as a campus fellowship, she used to be a top leader of a section of the church, but today she's only a little above an ordinary member after investing all her life into the church. She goes to church almost every day of the week after work, which left us the children to the hands of house girls. Monday is always bible study, Tuesday leaders meeting, Wednesday counseling, Thursday revival hour, Friday prayer meeting(or something or the other), Saturday workers meeting, and Sunday we were in church all day, we attended the 3 services cause mum had to officiate in the entire service.
At the age of 4-5 as a child, my memory started to take notice and store significant incidents at home. when i was between the age of 5-6 i was constantly being sexually molested by one of our house girls. She takes me to the room after she showers, pulls my head towards her crouch and makes me suck her vagina. This happened regularly but mum was too busy with church activities and trying to make heaven, she didn't notice or suspect anything and for over 2 decades i kept it only to myself (I just told my mum about it recently)
The church decentralized in 1991, that same period we moved to a bigger apartment from the room and parlour we used to live in, we had a big compound, enough to play around so we were not allowed beyond it. The church branch needed a temporary space for worship, mum was approached, she enthusiastically offered our compound and we were restricted to indoors with nothing to play with, no toys, no friends allowed, no board games, no TV (board games and TV were considered sin). I was beaten mercilessly by my parents for going to neighbour's house with my siblings to watch TV, guess what...my mum has TV in her sitting room now and so is almost every Deeper Life member nowadays.
So, what happened to the doctrine they preach about "Jesus the same yesterday, today and forever"? Suddenly the Jesus of yesterday that didn't like TV does now. In a conversation i had with my mum recently; i reminded her how she used to beat the hell out of me for watching TV that she now have, she was mute about it.
Our sitting room became counseling room and office, our walkway was divided and part used as church store. Mum had some sets of Fine-China we never really use and only on new years day, but she'll make a banquet with them every week on our dining table for the church officiating ministers.
Church kept expanding and was able to acquire a land, then moved, but our house remained a hub where members go to, when they had nowhere to stay. At those rare times she's home, especially during her leave, we had church members come to her for either financial aid, counseling, parents bringing their children for counseling but didn't realise her own children needed the counseling more.
I was a curious child, I began to wonder if there are other things to life besides "read your book" "go to church". Depression started creeping in at about when i was 11-12, music came to my rescue, I picked a passionate interest in music and i held on to it strongly because nothing was of interest to me in the church besides the music. I was a semi-misfit, I had peer issues, bully issues like every other kid, but mum was too busy listening to other people's children in the church but not me; one time, another kid tried to bully me in school, i fought back but had mixed feeling of guilt and victory, cause mum always say Jesus said "when they hit you on your right cheek, you turn the left".
I started to ask so many questions when i was about 14, i realised the double standards and hypocrisies in the church. The first thing i noticed was a no-one-dares-talk-about segregation, kids of the rich and top leaders, were always given special preferences and i remember one of those sermons we were told, that God is no respecter of any man and how we are same in the eyes of God. This was too huge for me to process at the time, so it expanded my curiosity.
Mum got a huge loan from a finance company to start a business with dad, which eventually wasn't successful. Now we were in serious debt, we suffered severely during this period. Mum was paying through her nose from her monthly salary, the debt had accumulated so much interest. Church members who used to flock around our house started disappearing one by one. It was hard to even eat, then i asked myself again: why can't the church help mum pay at least some of this debt? Afterall she doesn't get paid for everything she's doing for the church, but things remained this way until we were able to crawl out of it.
The church started gaining so much popularity at a time, mum was also getting deeper in her dedication. Mum's over zealousness and less attention for her family started to take a toll on my dad and the marriage between them, this boomeranged into their separation, and the church management said mum cannot hold the significant position she was in anymore, since she's separated from her husband and demoted to a lower position. Her dedication to church, caused her a broken home and she got punished for it by the same church.
This began to affect her psychologically. She has been so emotionally detached from her children, she was only dedicated to these brainwashers. I thought maybe she'll realise herself by now, but it got worse. Now she became dedicated to fighting to get her spot back, by trying to impress the church leadership, even by desperate measures which gradually turned her to a full blown hypocrite. Churches create standards humanly unachievable and has turned members into hypocrites.
I watched as they announce and placed members under disciplinary measure, in front of the entire congregation in humiliation and excommunication. Why would anyone subject themselves to such dehumanisation? I literally saw people become mentally deranged from overzealousness, i saw people disown their families, i saw people leave their spouses cause they were told they were in an ungodly relationship. Then i watched as hypocrisy massively became the means of survival. Workers, members, leaders, secretly taking their daughters for abortion. Those who were caught became scape goats.
In Deeper Life, as a leader, no matter how dedicated you are, the standards set for your children is the litmus test for your credibility and your fate to remain a leader, especially the female children. No trousers, no lipstick, no earrings, no make-up, no relaxing of the hair, must be born again etc. my sisters were not having none of that bullshit, they pierced their ears, wore trousers, got their hair did, nails done. This affected mum's position the more, but she bothered more about her relegation in the church rather than pay attention to her children.
I was at this point, already socialising myself and beginning to absorb information about life in general, outside the church. I left home to face the world alone without any orientation of how to survive out there. "Go and read your book" and "Go to church" was the only thing i know.
I built up a conviction to find the truth about life by myself and the pursuit of a personal identity outside the indoctrination and dogma. I found my path in life quickly enough, but this made me to be seen as a rebel back home. I hoped mum would talk to me and ask about what was happening in my life, but that never happened; I wasn't going to the church anymore, so me being around her would further reduce the possibilities of her achieving that leadership level she so craves. My personal life and success as her son wasn't her goal, Deeper Life was.
Religious fanatism is damaging people's families in this clime, but I have decided to save myself from the chains of these brainwashers.
END = Narrated to me on September 30, 2017 by an ex-member of the Deeper Life Bible Church who was inspired to share the personal story after reading my post on the Deeper Life Church. I sought and got permission to share the story.
ToyBoyAaron: My stand now is due to the fact of how deep I have studied the bible with an open mind. I have lots of questions to ask about the so called "word of God" but answers mostly comes from emotions and fear.
Well i am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses though that group name may sound somehow to you but trust me that's exactly how i feel too some decades ago when i first come in contact with the one and only true Christian group: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES So feel free to ask whatever question you have in mind, JEHOVAH is the Author of that book (Bible) and we JWs are His messengers sent to TEACH you what the book is all about.
Once again thanks for showing interest in our book Bible!
OLAADEGBU: MaxinDHouse must have been badly rattled with the constant bombardment of his heretical doctrines on this forum which explains why he has come out attacking all perceived 'enemies' as a street fighter (area boy) that he is.
Who fight for street pass between JWs are Deeperlifers? I just present a sound warning to you liars claiming Christians but failed woefully to agree on what the Bible teach. So if you and image feel that's an attack then so be it!
cornelboy: You know this is a foolish question right? Those people you mentioned were wicked and rebellious people and God has the 100% right to destroy them. Before the babaláwos you know today were born, Moses the bringer of the old covenant don dé use blood of animals for cleansing, animals for various kinds of burnt offerings and all that some thousands years back. Well it's not your fault. You don't know how God view blood. The Koran didn't explain a lot of things.
He's just deceiving himself because during ileya it's the SACRIFICE Abraham used to replace Isaac that they claim they're remembering. So if God didn't provide ram is it not Abraham's son that could have been SACRIFICED?
Courz: Your religion is also a Freemason organisation disguised as a Christian one. It also runs another Freemason Cult International Bible Students Association that meet in Masonic Lodges today. How is this Christlike?
Let me free you for now until your brain gets a reset perhaps you could have something tangible to say then. For now just know that OLAADEGBU's church has also been accused of being a freemason so your hatred for Watchtower means nothing!
cornelboy: Let's say the man that murdered someone already had children, grand children and great grandchildren, he will pay for his own sin. His offsprings are not guilty of his personal crimes.
It's not smart to say God will kill the generation of a murderer.
I told him he's learning from me but he denied now he has two teachers even though will not admit it. He just discovered his blunders so he's trying to retrieve the statement by shifting the goal post.
Image123: Why are you this hypocrite mentioning me this morning/afternoon, nothing to do? From your groanings so far, it is evident that you had no useful reason for mentioning me. Always think before posting next time, we're not in the sad hall where they keep your brains in the thrash can. Okay?
Only if you stop mentioning me. I can decide to mention you anytime i deem fit so you have no moral right to question that since you also do mention me without permission.
Jesus of Nazareth said:
“All things, therefore, that you want men to do to you, you also must do to them. This, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean" Matt 7:12
I know you will always avoid his orders yet you want to give order to your fellow man, idiot!
ToyBoyAaron: They attacked their enemies and slaughtered everyone; men, women, children and even animals following the command of God. Will God really command men to kill their fellow men and even innocent children? This children didn't have a choice yet but they paid dearly with their lives. This wasn't Islamic terrorist or crusaders but the chosen people of God. Israelites! (1st Samuel 15) Many will justify the killings and say God is always right. So why are we condemning people today who are killing according to the command of their God? Any extremists in any religion is capable of killing! Killing even innocent babies.
You only need to study the Bible diligently with critical and logical reasoning!
AntiChristian: Yes. If he kills someone and he's killed back has his generation not being ended?
NO! There are many who are born eunuchs and many became eunuchs due to sicknesses. So once you've not gotten any child there's nothing to talk about generations yet.
Image123: Again, when i mention you, it is to discuss or converse about something said. Here's the question again true christain. Why are you this hypocrite mentioning me this morning/afternoon, nothing to do?
The highlighted has answered your question. Whatever reason you have for mentioning me shouldn't be the yardstick for me to mention you. So it's either you stop mentioning me and i do the same to you or we continue without one asking stupid question on why mentioning the other! Matt 7:12
Courz: Do as I say but not as I do. Hypocrites! Your Freemason gods sponsored the election of a US Senator as clearly shown in the link below. Who will disfellowship Watchtower? When caught in the act, they denied involvement and tried to remove evidence not knowing this exposure has spread. How are they Christlike?
If you're interested in freemason or other cults nobody stops you and according to the laws of the society in which we live, there is FREEDOM OF SPEECH, EXPRESSION, WORSHIP and ASSOCIATION!
Here's a cult i just saw on internet if you're interested:
But coming to the forum and shouting freemason! freemason!! freemason!!! just makes you look stupid before any right thinking person because ordinarily people generally view all forms of worship where people are willing to obey without the threat of weapons CULT. I just decided to show you how stupid you are for posting hundreds of comments only to tell people that there are CULT in the society where they live. Meanwhile OLAADEGBU who wants to start chorusing you i silenced immediately by showing him that ex-members of Deeperlife also claim that Deeperlife is a CULT!
Courz: Your Freemason gods sponsored the election of a US Senator as clearly shown in the link below. When caught in the act, they denied involvement and tried to remove evidence not knowing this exposure has spread. How are they Christlike?
Courz: Your religion is also a Freemason organisation disguised as a Christian one. It also runs another Freemason Cult International Bible Students Association that meet in Masonic Lodges today. How is this Christlike?
Courz: Your Freemason gods sponsored the election of a US Senator as clearly shown in the link below. When caught in the act, they denied involvement and tried to remove evidence not knowing this exposure has spread. How are they Christlike?
Christianity Etc › Re: Slave Shackles From 1852 With Freemason Symbol Clearly Imprinted On Them by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:05pm On Jun 09, 2022
